SPOILERS Soo Many Questions.... Why, Why Do They Not Tell Us - He Was In Trenzalor!!!. Fall of the Eleventh? is John Hurt a previous What did River mean, Fall ( doctor who

***SPOILERS*** Soo Many Questions...

SPOILERS Soo Many Questions.... Why, Why Do They Not Tell Us - He Was In Trenzalor!!!. Fall of the Eleventh? is John Hurt a previous What did River mean, Fall (

Why, Why Do They Not Tell Us - He Was In Trenzalor!!!

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Fall of the Eleventh? is John Hurt a previous What did River mean,
Fall (death) the 11th Doctor? A future Doctor? before she died that she
Doctor on the Fields of Or the Doctor who (no was still
Where he is pun intended) killed all to Clara? That she is
buried? Daleks and Time Lords? coming back? Clara is
What is the Doctors real Could we be seeing the still reachable (obv)?
name? Whats the name end of Matt Smith' s And so on and so forth,
that John Hurt uses as Doctor and start with So many questions, can' t
the Doctor, whatever he John Hurt' s Doctor? wait to find out - just
does thats so bad? hope they dent mess it up
Not Happy I Don' t know The Doctor' s Name Yet! F*# K - Just Tell Us!!!
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User avatar #18 - Lambda (05/19/2013) [-]
I really want to cryogenically freeze myself until November so I don't have to wait to know what happens.
I'm willing to bet that Hurt is the version of the Doctor who ended the Great Time War. The one who wiped out the Daleks at the cost of killing his own people.
User avatar #19 to #18 - Keidis (05/19/2013) [-]
After I watched the episode on the internet(Before it came out in America), I looked through websites for ideas, and crossed some ideas with mine.


This describes what I kind of thought from before, except takes on a different angle that John Hurt is just the Doctor AFTER the time war, a broken, and depressed man.
User avatar #9 - mruserfj (05/18/2013) [-]
What if his name is Sweetie? River keeps calling him that and it is rather embarrassing, so I'd adopt a fake title too
User avatar #33 - givingtree (05/19/2013) [-]
All good questions, but I think that if they ever 'revealed' the doctor's true name it would be an insult to the series. Some things are better as mysteries.
User avatar #15 - Keidis (05/18/2013) [-]
My ideas on the whole entire episode, as well as my idea/answers to the questions above.
LONG READ AHEAD, Please read it ALL before making a comment.

1. The Doctor is not a human, his body is a scar(As he mentioned in the episode) So his "Body" was the tear/scar in all of space and time, inside of his TARDIS.

2. The Doctor's real name is probably the name he used when he killed ALL Of his fellow Time Lords, he changed his name to the Doctor because the name was SO horrific. He was labeled as a mass murderer(Remember when Clara erased his history as the Doctor? She probably did it before as well, so other people didn't recognize him as the Slayer of the Galifreyans.) NOW before you ask questions, YES, he WAS the doctor before the Time War, but it's a TIME war, thus, it happened in TIME, the name he went by that killed all of the people on Gallifrey could have been the REAL first doctor. He stole the TARDIS, and as his first few acts IN The TARDIS, he found the Time War, and tried to resolve it without killing everyone.
Another reason I believe he'd change his name to the Doctor after the time war is simple, he states that in "The Beast Below"

"I murder a beautiful, innocent creature as painlessly as I can. And then I find a new name 'cause I won't be The Doctor anymore."

Since the Space whale was the last of it's kind, this would be considered genocide, The doctor commited genocide to the Time Lords.

3. Stated in my previous comment.

4. Matt Smith said he's on for sure throughout season 8, though, his regeneration is probably coming soon. (David had 3 seasons, I imagine 5-8 is Matt's 3.)

5. River was linked to Clara meaning she(Clara) is still alive, as we know, she jumped into the Doctor's scar, and was split into millions of Clara's.

One thing that I MUST know though, is that if Clara is 1 million different echos of the real Clara, then the Echos must continue, because the Echo of the real one, was the one that jumped into the scar. So it's Echo-ception.
User avatar #16 to #15 - Keidis (05/18/2013) [-]
Literally used all 2,000 characters, but I can theory craft if anyone is up to ask questions, though my ideas are usually NEVER the answer in Doctor Who, I still like to make them up.
#21 to #16 - anon (05/19/2013) [-]
the doctor was still called the doctor before he killed all of his people. unless im misunderstanding what you are saying then that theory doesnt work out very well
User avatar #35 to #15 - butterisgood (05/19/2013) [-]
I like your theory that the first ended the time war, cause the doctor calls it "The last great time war" so there were probably more of them before that one, maybe his stealing the TARDIS had something to do with it, maybe we'll find out in this audio story coming out in November: http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/04/beginning-250413095008.html
User avatar #20 - gilliam (05/19/2013) [-]

Here are your answers.

fall of the "eleventh" has never been mentioned, it was simply the fall of the doctor in general, no telling how many generations further.

John Hurt is a previous Doctor, he is doctor 8.5, there has always been talked about but never actually shown what happened at the end of the time war. There will be one or two single episodes with john hurt showing these events.

What was so bad, is that by enclosing both the daleks and the galifreyans inside the time lock he saved the universe but also doomed his entire people to extinsion.

The real name of the doctor wil never ever be known, unless for some reason the viewing ratings drop to levels so low they can't sustain the cost anymore, they would do one last episode revealing it and thereby ending the series for good.

The mental link from river with clara was from the conference earlier, the significance that she was still linked meant that clara was not yet fully wiped from history and somewhere still save-able.

No we won't be seeing the end of matt smith yet, john hurt just sortof squeezes inbetween the show.

And for further and final clarification, the following message was announced by the producers and came from facebook:

"The BBC have officially confirmed that Doctor Who Series 8 has been commisioned, with Matt Smith, Jenna Louise Coleman, & Head Writer Steven Moffat all returning. Filming is scheduled for the end of year Or, Early next year. No word on number of episodes, how many Matt will do as The Doctor, or when it will air. Expect a split series run again for broadcast late 2014, with a possible mid series regeneration in 2014, and Moffat's last run has Head writer too. At the moment, it's looking like a Series 8 with match the format of Series 7, split over 2014/15, with a Christmas Special in between."

I hope this gave enough answers.
User avatar #30 to #20 - ohhahafunny (05/19/2013) [-]
While i agree with the grand majority of your statements, i feel the need to ask. How could John be a doctor prior to the eleventh when Clara did not recognize him. She was able to see every single doctor from this series and the last yet she had yet to see him. This is why i believe that John is not a previous incarnation but rather a new doctor and more specifically the Valeyard. If i am wrong please correct me as i want to know who the hell John Hurt will be playing as.
User avatar #37 to #30 - gilliam (05/19/2013) [-]
Theexo is correct, Hurts position has already been confirmed, and his gues on why she didn't encounter him is probably also somehwere in the right direction.

The incarnation of the doctor as Hurt was so radically different in character that the universe more or less considered him a seperate individual.
Also, Hurts actions probably take place in what's now known as the time lock, that might be why clara fell through his entire time line except there.
User avatar #32 to #30 - theexo (05/19/2013) [-]
no he's definitely the doctor after 8 and before 9. i have a feeling that the reason clara never saw him was for A) suspense and B) The Doctor probably has some sort of psychic block on that part of his life that got broken towards the end.
User avatar #44 to #32 - ohhahafunny (05/19/2013) [-]
That sounds like something Moffat would write. Thank you kindly sir.
User avatar #38 to #32 - gilliam (05/19/2013) [-]
yep, and probably.
User avatar #31 to #20 - theexo (05/19/2013) [-]
i reaaaaaly hope that John Hurt will have a recurring part. i mean, who could be a better villain to The Doctor than The Doctor?
User avatar #42 - AbsentMinded (05/19/2013) [-]
John Hurt's Doctor is either inbetween 8 and 9 or before 1.
The Doctor Is killed at Trenzalore and is burried in the Tardis. (we saw his corpse/ lava lamp thing)
User avatar #52 to #42 - bobobiohazard (05/19/2013) [-]
got to be before 1
User avatar #54 to #52 - tacobadger (05/19/2013) [-]
hes not. Hes either the valeyard and exists outside the regen cycle or hes between 8 and 9
User avatar #57 to #54 - bobobiohazard (05/20/2013) [-]
not ******* valeyard and why not before 1
User avatar #58 to #57 - tacobadger (05/20/2013) [-]
by definition of what we know, he'd be the valeyard. They even refer to the doctor as the valeyard in the episode. I doubt hes before 1 because 1 stole the tardis, and without a tardis, I doubt this doctor would have been capable to do what he "did". I support between 8 and 9 because his clothing is a combo of the 2 doctors.
User avatar #22 - bannedfartoooften (05/19/2013) [-]
The finale made me so angry I had to lie down and count to ten.
BBC had confirmed David Tennant and Billie Piper to be coming back.
User avatar #23 to #22 - notthedoctor (05/19/2013) [-]
they are coming back for the 50th
User avatar #24 to #23 - bannedfartoooften (05/19/2013) [-]
Are you kidding.
That wasn't...
That wasn't the fiftieth?
#25 to #24 - notthedoctor (05/19/2013) [-]
nope the 50th is coming out in November
nope the 50th is coming out in November
#27 to #26 - notthedoctor (05/19/2013) [-]
mfw the ending
mfw the ending
User avatar #28 to #27 - bannedfartoooften (05/19/2013) [-]
It was a bit rubbish, for me.
#34 to #28 - tvfreakuk (05/19/2013) [-]
You had a different opinion
Prepare to be thumbed down to oblivion
User avatar #51 to #34 - captainfish (05/19/2013) [-]
Yes, he did have a different opinion, but he was also being somewhat of a bitch about it. FJ doesn't thumb down because of opinions, they thumb down depending on how you present it.
An easier way bannedfartoooften could've gone through with this is by being a bit more civil about this. He/she could've presented what he/she said as a question: "Are David Tennant and Billie Piper coming back permanently? Wasn't last night's episode the 50th?"
That would've gone over a lot smoother.
The lack of caps also helps.
As a show of good faith, I have thumbed everyone in this thread up so I don't come across as a huge asshole.
User avatar #55 to #24 - tacobadger (05/19/2013) [-]
did you really think the 50th would only be an hour and have a cliffhanger?
User avatar #56 to #55 - bannedfartoooften (05/19/2013) [-]
...Shut up.
#36 to #22 - anon (05/19/2013) [-]
You've fundamentally failed to understand the information you read regarding the return of Tennant and Piper.

They WILL be returning, and have been filming for, the 50th anniversary special. This will be on the 23rd of November. Hope that clears that up...
#8 - pjuns (05/18/2013) [-]
Are you telling me the new episode is out yet, and i didnt notice?! TO TBP AT ONCE!
User avatar #7 - topperharly ONLINE (05/18/2013) [-]
we already know that matt smith will be in series 8 so...... he isnt going to die, but that information is old....
#43 - laxwarriord (05/19/2013) [-]
These are all really ******* obvious, seriously.
#41 - zzzapped (05/19/2013) [-]
The doctor will finally fall at the fields of Tenzalore.
The doctor chose the name the doctor as a promise to himself to be good, save lives and never harm another being who is innocent.
Thus, John Hurt plays the doctor who Issued the time lock on the last Timewar. This locked all the Timelords, a lot of them good, inside the lock. It was a necessary evil to save the rest of the universe. Yet it was the one time the doctor did not follow his oath.
User avatar #53 to #41 - bobobiohazard (05/19/2013) [-]
that can't be it thats not a secret, john hurts doctor is the other doctors terrible secret. so he has to predate doctor number 1. remember the "original doctor" was already a grandfather when the tardis stole him
#59 to #53 - zzzapped (05/20/2013) [-]
#40 - builderofdoom (05/19/2013) [-]
I don't know if this has any relevance, but I just want it written down
Clara Oswald = 11 letters
Matt Smith is the 11th doctor

heard it here first folks
(this is just incase it turns out to have any relevance)

#47 - anon (05/19/2013) [-]
I really did think that the dismissed reincarnation of the doctor was the master (from the 2nd or 3rd series david was the doctor), but it looks like i was wrong...
User avatar #49 to #47 - captainfish (05/19/2013) [-]
That's exactly what I though. But didn't we see the beginning and the end of the master in David's series?
User avatar #50 to #49 - captainfish (05/19/2013) [-]
#46 - Mutador (05/19/2013) [-]
just imagine if the doctors name is revealed... and it's 'Bob'
User avatar #48 to #46 - straightbusta (05/19/2013) [-]
i thought his name was John Smith; it kept coming up all the time at least...
User avatar #60 to #48 - thesoulstealer (06/14/2013) [-]
He actually uses the name "John Smith" because it's the most generic, ordinary name for an Englishman.
User avatar #61 to #60 - straightbusta (06/17/2013) [-]
So, my theory was a little justified
User avatar #62 to #61 - thesoulstealer (06/17/2013) [-]
to an extent, yes
#45 - simeonc (05/19/2013) [-]
How do we know that the Clara that went into the scar was the original Clara? if she was split into a million pieces the Clara that went in may have been just an echo, saving The Doctors life like all of the other echoes
User avatar #39 - evilanakie ONLINE (05/19/2013) [-]
where can i watch the ep
ive been looking and my source cant find it
User avatar #29 - ohhahafunny (05/19/2013) [-]
In order:
1. The eleventh incarnation of the doctor will fall on the fields of Trenzalore, whether or not this means the doctor will be forevermore dead is yet to be seen, i say this due to the fact of john hurt being present. Additionally he will not be buried but rather contained within the main chamber of the TARDIS.
2. They will never tell the doctor's real name as it will take some mystery out of the series, i am sure though that when every idea is used that they may consider telling us. Based upon speculation i say that John Hurt is the Valeyard, an evil doctor that attempted to execute the 6th doctor through trial using a paradox machine. He is the culmination of everything within the doctor that is evil.
3. He is a future doctor as Clara did not see him at all when she went through the Doctor's time stream. It is either this or that John is tennant's clone that has aged considerably, i find this theory to be faulty though for obvious reasons.
4.Matt confirmed that he will return in Season 8.
5. Obviously this means that Clara is alive and still able to be saved.
I hope this helped.
#13 - anon (05/18/2013) [-]
my idea
John Hurt plays the doctor before he became the hero we all know and love, the doctor who fought in the time war and left all the darleks and time lords to die that's why 'current doctor' was saying it was another version of him that isn't The Doctor
#11 - Lambda (05/18/2013) [-]
Wait, what... have people SEEN the episode yet? It doesn't come on for another hour where I am.
User avatar #12 to #11 - yetaxaa (05/18/2013) [-]
It was broadcast in the UK about 5 hours ago now
User avatar #14 to #12 - Lambda (05/18/2013) [-]
User avatar #17 to #11 - Keidis (05/18/2013) [-]
You can watch it Tvmuse.EU, it's a website that's based in the Euro time zones, so they have a good quality version of the episode. Still gonna watch it on my TV in 20 minutes again. **** was intense. lol
#10 - taurusman (05/18/2013) [-]
john hurt is the name of the actor of the next actor who will be playing the doctor before eccleston during the time war thus the ninth doctor (wibly wobbly timey wimey) so for the 50th anniversary is time war themed or so i heard i am most likely wrong
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