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User avatar #15 - maggotarms (10/12/2013) [-]
he also leaked patrol routes that show were all the solider were patrolling, if the enemy got a hold of that ambushing would be easy
#141 - helenwheels (10/12/2013) [-]
MFW the reason he's being chased after is because he released information about United states battle tactics that actually is harmful to civilians,
User avatar #177 to #141 - yusay (10/12/2013) [-]
>Chased after

They had their trial a few months ago and is going to serve time in a bit, if not already serving their time.
User avatar #160 to #141 - childofnephilim (10/12/2013) [-]
You are a brave man. Takes sand to take that stand when the rest of the comments are inclined to vindicate those who have leaked info on the US. Didn't even anon your way through this.

**** it, thumb for you. Good show.
#57 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
Hey asshole, explain to me how the **** it's the soldiers fault that the enemy hides in HIGHLY populated areas and fire at the US soldiers knowing fully that if they retaliate there's a high chance of casualties? They're the bad people, not us. We'd love to fight them in an abandoned area with no one but soldiers but they don't want that. They use civilians as meat shields. They're all ******* scum. It's their fault there are so many casualties, not ours. So **** off.
User avatar #204 to #57 - mayormilkman (10/12/2013) [-]
I have a feeling that this is one of those users who posts comments anonymously and favorites it. In this case it looks like they're well-received.
#69 to #57 - peacekeeperone (10/12/2013) [-]
yeah americans should keep using bombs and try to hit as many buildings as possible
User avatar #172 to #57 - rocstarsix (10/12/2013) [-]
because the equipment they use is ******* garbage, they are going to take every advantage they can. When you strap on a gun and go walking around another man's country you'd better be ready for some action jack.
#58 to #57 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
Implying the US has any right to be in the Middle East and fight those "bad people".
User avatar #63 to #58 - flaminggodzilla (10/12/2013) [-]
You're right, and Britain, France, and America had no reason to be in Germany in the 1940's.
User avatar #61 to #58 - mcsquishin ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
So you would argue for isolationism? If not, then what level of genocide is just enough for you to call for intervention? Saddam Hussein was a monster. He committed genocide. More than that committed genocide by way of chemical warfare (which, by the way, you should know that chemical weapons are weapons of mass destruction).
User avatar #64 to #61 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
Sorry, we obviously forgot that its okay to attack people that kill large numbers of civilians, with say.... nukes? Dropped on two cities?
User avatar #68 to #64 - mcsquishin ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
Easy to say that with four generations of hind sight. . Ending the fight with Japan was a lose-lose proposition. Either invade conventionally and incur nearly a million US casualties, or drop an extremely powerful bomb (at the time nuclear weapons did not have their current level of mysticism around them) to hopefully bring Japan to it's proverbial knees. There was no right answer.
User avatar #70 to #68 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
Its easy to say many things with hindsight.
I simply intended to remind people that hitting ********* of civilians has never really been a concern of the united states.
User avatar #71 to #70 - mcsquishin ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
And that statement is simply wrong. Civilian casualties are of great concern to the US armed forces. Otherwise we would not have such strict rules for engagement. Atrocities have happened, but they are not representative of how American warfighters go about their day.
User avatar #73 to #71 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
I believe the american government sets up rules to make it appear that they care, for political reasons. But I doubt they actually give a **** . I wouldn't be surprised if they got up to all sorts of **** secretly.
But then, I believe that they are picking their targets for war based purely upon who has resources they can gain control of, and not for any other reason they suggest.
So clearly i'm a crackpot tinhat.
User avatar #74 to #73 - mcsquishin ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
You seem to be forgetting that it's not politicians that are bound by rules of engagement. It's 18 year old Private Joe Snuffy. He is the one who makes split second decisions as to who lives and who dies, and it's his prudence and moral compass that defines America at war. I have served with a lot of men, not one of them had a hard on to kill civilians. On the contrary, many are haunted by their kills, kills that were justified and taken from an armed enemy.
User avatar #170 to #74 - stealingbikes (10/12/2013) [-]
Met and spoken with countless Marines, Army and other ground combat personnel as they passed through Manas AB on their way home from deployments (Kyrgyzstan was pretty much my "winter home") and I can attest that you are absolutely correct.
User avatar #75 to #74 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
Yeah? And I think soldiers believe what they're told. Somewhere up the command chain, someone is being told where to bomb, what amount of civilian casualties are deemed acceptable, and what to tell everyone beneath him.
User avatar #77 to #75 - mcsquishin ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
Your ignorance astounds me. There is no such thing as a level of acceptable civilian casualties. Lest you forget, I was a soldier. I fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I KNOW first hand what I'm talking about. Soldiers do not act blindly. We do not follow unlawful orders. We do not drop ordnance on civilian targets. I'm not going to lie, **** happens sometimes. Bombs are given faulty grid coordinates, indirect fire is called for just a little too close to civilian targets. Bullets travel through walls past their intended target. This is the nature of war. None of that is to imply that their is an inbred indoctrination that these events are acceptable.
User avatar #80 to #77 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
I'm not saying the guys in the field are at fault. You don't follow unlawful orders, but you aren't foolproof. I'm saying your superiors somewhere up the line have these rules.

1. Commanding officer, general, whatever, gets told to ignore high civilian population/tell soldiers war is for freedom corrupt gov whatever instead of over resources.
2. Information is passed down the lines, soldiers who are basically decent blokes/need the job and don't want to be cunts/people who want to serve their country all believe it.
3. Bad guys/civilians/hospitals get blown up, everyone is very sad and guilty
4. profit.
User avatar #87 to #80 - defender (10/12/2013) [-]
What makes you think you have any idea on how the military works.
User avatar #95 to #87 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]

And the nearly endless amounts of information available to us via the internet.

The news.

A few books I own about it.


#125 to #95 - defender (10/12/2013) [-]
And you think that makes you the all knowing of military operations and know how. Listen here arm chair general you don't know **** so stop acting like you do.
User avatar #129 to #125 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
What do you suggest I do to help me learn more about the methods and practices of the military, without joining that parade of dickstrokers and civilian butchering cunts?
User avatar #135 to #129 - defender (10/12/2013) [-]
If you won't join then you don't know how the military works you read biased reports and sources and I suggest you stop acting like you know what you are talking about. Just because you read about something doesn't make you and expert it takes personnel experience to understand the real workings of something a thing books and the internet will never get.
User avatar #131 to #129 - defender (10/12/2013) [-]
Join the military
User avatar #132 to #131 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
User avatar #102 to #95 - ilovehitler (10/12/2013) [-]
Oh yes, all those things are extremely accurate, and would never lie in the slightest
User avatar #104 to #102 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
Implying that you can trust anything these days.
User avatar #105 to #104 - ilovehitler (10/12/2013) [-]
Exactly, so why would you trust those things?
User avatar #108 to #105 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
How the **** do you find out information?
I use a combination of the things I have listed to attempt to piece together the truth.
I use my own brain whenever possible to understand the world around me.

What do you use for information?
User avatar #109 to #108 - ilovehitler (10/12/2013) [-]
Oh, I use more or less the same things you do. Unlike you, however, I don't just think "Hmm, they must be telling me the truth. They can't be biased at all!"
User avatar #112 to #109 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
Yes because that is clearly what I do, having told you thats what I do in the last two posts.
Or possibly you're using your keen mind to interpret what i'm saying as the complete ******* opposite of what i'm saying.
User avatar #113 to #112 - ilovehitler (10/12/2013) [-]
You're right, despite your petty attempt at sarcasm; that IS exactly what you do.
#65 to #64 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
If you're talking about WW2 and Japan than Japan ******* deserved that **** . **** them. They started it we finished it.
User avatar #67 to #65 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
******* america attacked iraq etc for ****** reasons, clearly they deserved 9/11 and anything else thrown their way.

Your logic.
User avatar #145 to #64 - azumeow (10/12/2013) [-]
Don't go down this path. I did a research paper on why those bombs were necessary. ALL projections of a ground invasion of mainland Japan resulted in 500,000+ casualties on EACH SIDE.

So, 300,000+ deaths as opposed to over a million? Yeah, I'll take the 300,000.
User avatar #156 to #145 - iloveburzum (10/12/2013) [-]
But soldiers casualties instead of civilian.
Meh, I see your point though.
User avatar #169 to #64 - stealingbikes (10/12/2013) [-]
It's funny because Fat Man and Little Boy weren't actually nuclear weapons.

Atomic bomb =/= nuclear bomb
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#72 - kyuubey (10/12/2013) [-]
>In conservative channel   
As if republicans wouldn't do the exact same.
>In conservative channel

As if republicans wouldn't do the exact same.
User avatar #96 to #72 - tomahawkit **User deleted account** (10/12/2013) [-]
it was conservative because he didn't use all of his Obama pics in the last slide.
User avatar #98 to #72 - icheatjews (10/12/2013) [-]
>M-muh Librul jokes XDDdd

Saying that conservatives would do something bc of what some ******* dumb ass tea-partier is doing on capital hill proves your stupidity beyond a doubt! either that or you are like 13 or something.

Your ignorance just made me cry a little bit on the inside.
#103 to #98 - kyuubey (10/12/2013) [-]
The only reason it's in the conservative channel is because obongo happens to be a democrat. But everyone with a normal functioning brain knows that the 2 party system is pretty much 2 sides of the same coin.

I find it amusing that you're defending a political ideology that is pretty much exactly like the person you're criticizing.
User avatar #149 to #103 - bypest (10/12/2013) [-]
User avatar #150 to #149 - kyuubey (10/12/2013) [-]
liberal =/= democrat
User avatar #151 to #150 - bypest (10/12/2013) [-]
Really? It's news to me that liberals are ideological enough to have a split in their party to the like of the GOP.
User avatar #152 to #151 - kyuubey (10/12/2013) [-]
For someone with a low IQ such as yours to not know that isn't surprising.
User avatar #154 to #152 - bypest (10/12/2013) [-]
My IQ is within the 124-129 range, as seems to be genetic for my father and sister meet the same standard. It's above average.

Meanwhile, ******* have IQs akin to that of mentally retarded people. Liberals usually dismiss IQ because of this.
User avatar #167 to #154 - scowler ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
You give conservatives a bad name.
Genetics is nothing. Just your face, hair, the color of your skin, how liable you are to end up with cancer or something. Now chromosomes, that's where mental handicaps come from. And then you have upbringings, if they're from the slums, they're either going to be practical and end up rich, or they're going to be stupid and end up dead.
User avatar #264 to #167 - bypest (10/13/2013) [-]
That was kyuubey, my adversary, who brought up IQ to begin with. And anyway, to say that genetics does not make a person beyond abstract qualities such as hair color is pseudo-science. To dismiss the hereditary aspect of IQ, which is seen in my family for instance, is pseudo-science.

>they're either going to be practical and end up rich, or they're going to be stupid and end up dead.
Being rich or poor makes a person intelligent or non-intelligent? You have that backwards.
User avatar #272 to #264 - scowler ONLINE (10/14/2013) [-]
Well, it takes intelligence to not get killed or conned, doesn't it?
Of course there's stupid rich people as well, but they'll never get anywhere.
User avatar #271 to #264 - bypest (10/13/2013) [-]
And if kyuubey is to believe what you said, why did he even bring up IQ? Why am I getting rained with thumbs. i used a bad word on the internet oy vey
User avatar #261 to #167 - bypest (10/13/2013) [-]
I'm not the one who brought up IQ or genetics, moron.
User avatar #155 to #154 - kyuubey (10/12/2013) [-]
You keep telling yourself that kid.
User avatar #157 to #155 - bypest (10/12/2013) [-]
I have always been above-average intelligence in my life, so it's not anything unbelievable. The one IQ test I took read 127, my sister having 124 and my father 129.
User avatar #166 to #157 - renegadesparks **User deleted account** (10/12/2013) [-]
Congrats... having one in the 135-140 range (taken a few and they're always between there) I can say your argument is ******** , I've known conservative democrats, liberal republicans, and any mix of those in the independent parties, I've had friends who are everything from Hispanic to Vietnamese and I can tell you, race has almost NOTHING to do with your IQ, in fact one of the only people I've ever known personally who was just as smart as me was 100% black and was from Kenya, your IQ may get a boost from smart parents but it's also up to you during your developing years to influence your intelligence
User avatar #265 to #166 - bypest (10/13/2013) [-]
And if you are to believe Hollywood narrative, Jews are even more oppressed than negroes.
User avatar #263 to #166 - bypest (10/13/2013) [-]
It most certainly does, proportionately. Your few examples of meeting intelligent negroes does not change the fact that the average Black IQ is one standard deviation below that of Whites.

On the contrary, the average Jewish IQ is one standard deviation above Whites.
User avatar #266 to #263 - renegadesparks **User deleted account** (10/13/2013) [-]
you do realize the loss of credibility when you unironically use "Negroes" to refer to those of African descent correct? That would be like in my argument saying instead of Hispanic to Vietnamese I had said "Spics to Dinks"
User avatar #267 to #266 - bypest (10/13/2013) [-]
I have read Scientific studies on IQ. "Negroid" or "Negro" is used as scientific terminology as "Caucasoid" is.
User avatar #268 to #267 - renegadesparks **User deleted account** (10/13/2013) [-]
when were these books written exactly?
User avatar #270 to #268 - bypest (10/13/2013) [-]
All negro essentially means is "Black." That it's offensive is a myth.

From 1980s to contemporary studies you will see the terms used. What are the alternatives? Negroid is a scientific classification, "Black" has no authority to it.
User avatar #269 to #268 - renegadesparks **User deleted account** (10/13/2013) [-]
or studies I should say
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User avatar #218 to #103 - tastyhams (10/12/2013) [-]
More like the same side of the same coin. The only difference is the way they strip our rights and defile the constitution.
User avatar #107 to #103 - icheatjews (10/12/2013) [-]
Yes, ever since clintons first run they abolished the 3rd party debater. Im not ******* 12.

Are you trying to 'red-pill' me or something right now? bc **** you are telling me is probably been known to me since before you were born.

Toppest of Lels
User avatar #111 to #107 - kyuubey (10/12/2013) [-]
Then why did you even attempt to defend conservatives claiming they wouldn't do that.
User avatar #114 to #111 - icheatjews (10/12/2013) [-]
Because be conservative isn't a bi-party ideology... It's about cutting costs and making the gov't more efficient.

Do you even understand what you are staying before you say it?
User avatar #123 to #114 - timmywankenobi (10/12/2013) [-]
The problem there is that so many politicians are corrupt that even if they claim to follow an Ideal they will just as quickly toss it aside to make some cash.
User avatar #140 to #114 - kyuubey (10/12/2013) [-]
Are you seriously saying liberal is?

Honestly you can bitch about how conservatism is better because one politician that isn't republican suck but let's look at reality, neither off them work.
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User avatar #44 to #37 - guiguito ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
tho i find it good we know, the dude signed a contrat of secrecy, this dude is by all definitions a douchbag.
#38 to #37 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
Tob SNIBETI !!!11
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#42 to #41 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
It got trashed by kikish israeli open boarder policies and free money for ******* ..
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User avatar #51 to #48 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
Are you high?

> Mexican 3x more likely than white
>3x more likely

You don't need to believe it if you don't want . Most Americans aren't required to be open to solid facts since king Obongo took over president of the feel states..
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User avatar #76 to #42 - commandershit (10/12/2013) [-]
Facts about SKIN COLOR and Crime.

Race is something way different.
User avatar #116 to #76 - icheatjews (10/12/2013) [-]
Are you ******* autisitc?

Race has everything to do with skin color... Unless your a ******* wigger or Weeaboo you are a part of the statistic


Well sorry, its how you show up on your drivers license.. ****** or not you are a part of the system.

Oh, please don't have kids, being you have no idea what the **** to think other than what some liberal website tells you. Pls, kill yourself for the sake of humanity?
User avatar #120 to #116 - commandershit (10/12/2013) [-]
Not sure if incest child or trying to troll
#56 - mcsquishin ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
US soldiers killing civilians? I hate when people ignorantly believe everything that an extremely biased organization shoves down their throat. I'll preface what I'm about to say with this. While I was not a soldier of Bravo Company, 2-16 IN on the ground during the "collateral murder" incident, I was a soldier with Charlie Company, 2-16 IN and my knowledge of the situation comes directly from those involved.

With that said, every single kill recorded on that video was justified given the information the pilots had at the time. Bravo Company had been under fire in that area all morning. The video goes out of its way to identify the two Reuters reporters embedded with the insurgents, but it neglects to identify those in the group with the two reporters that were armed with AK47s and an RPG. This group, these insurgents, were ARMED COMBATANTS. I cannot emphasize that enough. Is it tragic that two reporters died? Yes. Is it tragic that children died? Yes. That said, you don’t bring your children to a firefight, and if you’re a reporter and you embed with insurgents then dying in the way they did was the risk they took.

Shower me with red thumbs all you want, this is the truth whether you are willing to believe it or not. Pic related, it’s all the 2-16 IN Rangers that were killed by the insurgents you all are so ready to cry over and sympathize with.
User avatar #239 to #56 - Yesitsme (10/12/2013) [-]
Sucks when you live in a warzone like Iraq and carrying weapons automatically makes you a criminal.
#257 to #239 - intrepidy ONLINE (10/13/2013) [-]
فاتنة أنا الخروج لبعض الحليب

حسنا تكون سريعة وأخذ الأطفال قاذفة الصواريخ عبر الشارع وقد تم القفز الأسوار مرة أخرى
#258 to #257 - intrepidy ONLINE (10/13/2013) [-]
I am skeptical how well google translated that.

You get the idea.
#234 to #56 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
Stop trying to play the victim. In less than 5 years, you will instructed to shoot an American family right in the head, and if you refuse to do it, you will be imprisoned. That's how the military works, do what I say or go to prison and die.
#192 to #56 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
>thinking that you can justify killing in any situation ever

ah, good old dumb arse americans
#198 to #192 - ihateallofyoualot **User deleted account** (10/12/2013) [-]
>not man enough to log in

If you were in a firefight you would shoot at anything that appeared to be a threat.
User avatar #188 to #56 - elcreepo (10/12/2013) [-]
The fault here is that there is no trust in the government, ergo leading to no trust in the military.

What REALLY needs to be done is to restore people's faith in the military while kicking the asses of every single politician in congress.
User avatar #217 to #188 - cmilanes (10/12/2013) [-]
I'm a for a coup. But only if its just congress we get rid of.
#221 to #188 - wildemu (10/12/2013) [-]
The true fault is the whole useless war on terrorism and the government that sends everyday normal citizens to some distant part of the world just so that they could, either shoot arabic ''terrorists'' there more like religous zealots like West burough baptist church, they just have another radical way of expressing their beliefs , which are essentially harmless to developed countries, or get shot and die which isn't any better.

Now I some may argue the terrorist being harmless part, but the ones being hunted down right this instant aren't even connected to the incidents of 9/11 and aren't even of the same ethnicity of the Boston Marathon bombers.

What I'm trying to say is that there will always be hatred versus America or any developed country regardless of what we do, and going to war with each of these nations wouldn't solve anything and it will result in pointless killings of civilians everytime. Humanity has to learn to unite.

Doubt it will ever happen but who knows...
#231 to #56 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
They died for the greatest country on G-d's Green Earth.
User avatar #78 to #56 - BLOONMOON (10/12/2013) [-]
Did you see the video? Its hard to tell if there even were AK-47s and an RPG. Those cameras they had could have easily been mistaken for a weapon.

As for soldier you, be aware your higher ups will always make **** seem justifiable. I bet you saw soldiers that would love to see the middle east be bombed to parking lot status. The ones that erased humanity from muslims and just thought of them as crazy ************* with bombs. Also, "information the pilots had at the time"? They just went off what they "saw" didn't they. They go with the "shoot first, questions later" policy so many people with power and guns go with.

And to top it off, who is to say the truth? How are you able to trust the information the Army gives when in recent wars information was always picked around and made to sound good to the public. Manning wanted to leak that video in essence that the Army would NEVERR show that **** to the public. Why? Because it shows the raw truth and grime of what the army does and wouldn't want the ********* it would face.
User avatar #146 to #78 - azumeow (10/12/2013) [-]
That's funny, because the gunner asked for permission to engage about 10 times within a span of thirty seconds, and only fired after being given permission to do so.
User avatar #85 to #78 - mcsquishin ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
For the record to anyone a bit lost right now, the following link will take you to the "Collateral Murder" video that is at the center of this topic

To answer you BLOONMOON, yes of course I watched the video. I also know quite well the soldiers that were there on the ground that picked up the pieces, figuratively and literally. Those pieces included weapons. I'm not going to sit here and argue back and forth with you. I will only say this. Your perception of American soldiers is wrong and prejudiced.
User avatar #93 to #85 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
Lol, just go
User avatar #94 to #85 - BLOONMOON (10/12/2013) [-]
You probably think I see all US soldiers as dogs. I don't. Soldiers are humans that get corrupted and washed with a notion that death is necessary for all change.

Here's a guy who was there.
**** like this happened daily, didn't it?
#136 to #94 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
This is McSquishin replying anonymously. Apparently BLOONMOON and OP have blocked me, preventing me from replying, so I'm forced to respond this way. What I've written below is in response to BLOONMOON's reply to my own comment, and this will be the last time I post on this content.

Death was nearly a daily occurrence, yes. But I would disagree with McCord's interpretation of events. I watched your link, with McCord's interview, and a lot of what he said is speculation. For example, when he said he saw Apaches firing hellfire missiles into homes occupied only by civilians, there's no possible way he could have known that. I respect Ethan McCord, his mind is a true casualty of war, but this video was politically biased.
User avatar #81 to #78 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
******* this, I hate when FJer's thumb **** up because of "M-muh Patriotism!!"

The chilling fact that those ***** over the radio were leling all the way to the top while killing a woman with a basket along with said 'turrists', is just beyond me.

Lrn2 Human Compassions FJ.
User avatar #182 to #81 - YoursTruley (10/12/2013) [-]
they thumb **** because its not all black and white, the video doesnt show everything or the whole story. it has nothing to do with learning human compassion it has to do with the hell of war, which none of you can even comprehend.
User avatar #183 to #182 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
Two tours in theatre both in Afghanistan doesn't count huh?

Ignorance will always be blocked here. Stay edgy and special, no one will like you either way
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User avatar #158 to #78 - FuckYouFatBen (10/12/2013) [-]
Um...Can i see this video?
#189 to #56 - kingbx (10/12/2013) [-]
Former 1-16IN Iron Ranger here.
Good ol' Fort Riley, KS
#178 - certifiedidiot (10/12/2013) [-]
If you agree or disagree on Manning facing charges is up to you, but I got to admit, I think it was extremely wise for Snowden to get the hell outta Dodge when he revealed the information he did.
If you agree or disagree on Manning facing charges is up to you, but I got to admit, I think it was extremely wise for Snowden to get the hell outta Dodge when he revealed the information he did.
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#83 to #14 - BLOONMOON (10/12/2013) [-]
defection? he's doing political asylum. he's avoiding the one way ticket to Guantanamo. he can only be in Russia for a year.
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User avatar #27 to #19 - Whaaaaaaaaa (10/12/2013) [-]
They did that **** in the 50's except then it was called espionage and they people were spy. This guy just wanted to do damage to America's credibility then fled instead of being a true hero and facing punishment for it.
User avatar #54 to #27 - krisaeron (10/12/2013) [-]
I received your sarcasm and laughed a little.
> true hero
#45 to #27 - afireinsidebrad (10/12/2013) [-]
and i really dont see whats wrong with "defecting" to another country, it also happened constantly in the 50's between countries
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User avatar #210 to #208 - neeseyninja (10/12/2013) [-]
Sweetheart, that's a soldier NOT a marine. Even if it was, I would give no ***** . You do not disrespect the American Flag like that.
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User avatar #214 to #212 - neeseyninja (10/12/2013) [-]
Look I could care less about your views you're entitled to them. I'm a U.S. soldier and it sickens me to see my own brethren disrespecting something that means so much to me. Have a man holding up the same message on a sign not in a U.S. military uniform and I would not give a rat's ass
User avatar #219 to #214 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
Your bleeding heart patriotism is so cute.. It's a little late to be reminicing on the ol' red white and blue these days... ***** headed south and there is nothing to be proud about in this degenerate wasteland any longer.
User avatar #223 to #219 - neeseyninja (10/12/2013) [-]
Again.... I do not care about how you feel about the war.

I do not care about how you think America is going.


What I care about is a UNIFORMED soldier protesting which is STRICTLY PROHIBITED IN UNIFORM. If you wanna carry an opinion, do it on your own time, in your own clothes, not where your representing a body.

Sheesh am I speaking another language?

User avatar #232 to #223 - daboomee (10/12/2013) [-]
Soooo let me get this straight.

You care more about a soldier in uniform protesting, than the fact that thousands of soldiers are being instructed to attack innocent civilians? Wow, you must be very patriotic, or just extremely stupid.
User avatar #235 to #232 - neeseyninja (10/12/2013) [-]
I'm pretty sure that a typical day in a deployed environment doesn't go like this...

Oh hey! Did you get the orders? We are gonna go ruthlessly level a village and rape all the women and children today!

Oh really!? I'm so stoked about doing that.

Never mind the medical care, education, infrastructure, and international cooperation that has gone to assist the people. IDK why I'm even arguing with someone who probably has never even gone there or stood for something other than his small minded opinion behind the protection of a keyboard. Have a great day!

#241 to #235 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
no it's more like...

I command you to shoot this innocent family!

But I dont want to! That's immoral

Then you are committing treason and i will be forced to throw you in prison for the rest of your life. Now shoot them or go to prison
#226 to #223 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
*tips fedora*

Stay Euphoric pal
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User avatar #225 to #214 - smokingman (10/12/2013) [-]
You should be much more sickened by the countless civilian deaths the U.S. military is guilty of.
A flag is a worthless piece of tinted cloth.
#17 - computor (10/12/2013) [-]
Title reminded me of this.
#16 - kastekniv ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
He's seen some ****
User avatar #18 - gilliam ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
It's not because the soldiers did a bad ting that the general public should know about it, with whistle blowing he means reporting to a superior officer (one that is not corrupt ofcourse), so that they can be punished for their crimes, not reporting it to out-of-context media like fox news and **** .
Do the words political ********* mean anything to you Shepard Snowden?
User avatar #22 to #18 - Whaaaaaaaaa (10/12/2013) [-]
why did you pick Fox news? Manning reported to Wikileaks an out of context anti-American website.

Also CNN has been show to be just as inaccurate and biased, but young people seem to always point at Fox news. Is because that its viewed as a conservative media outlet or is it because young people not wanting to be like their parents try to distance themselves from it? Perhaps your just trying to be a mindless lemming and spouting nonsense about a media outlet in an attempt to appear hip and in the now.
User avatar #47 to #22 - gilliam ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
Yeah, i said "and **** " i don't know what news stations you have all got over there, i do know that a lot of things are put out of context.
Not implying that soldiers shooting civies is out of context though, but rather the fact that they're making the government look as if they're not doing anything about it.
The problem is that all of those channels are money driven, they need some good sensation, they love that, and they'll fabricate it aswell if the possibility is there.
And if you have a government ruled news station, then the public says that the news is fabricated, so you can never make people happy.

And that's why your government likes to keep that kind of thing quit, and deal with it internally.
User avatar #50 to #47 - gilliam ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
P.S.: Besides, wiki leaks belongs under "out of context media", we all know that if it's important enough it would end up with the news, he knew that aswell.

P.P.S.: I'm not saying snowden is a bad man, i'm just saying he made a wrong call in a situation wich could've gone better.
User avatar #230 to #47 - hydraetis (10/12/2013) [-]
Except the government doesn't really seem to do ******** about their soldiers killing innocents. And frankly I don't understand why the government would even give a **** about killing foreign innocent people.
User avatar #242 to #230 - gilliam ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
What do you expect oyur government to babysit them? al they can do is sentence and punish them afterwards.
User avatar #243 to #242 - hydraetis (10/12/2013) [-]
I have not heard of a single soldier get in trouble for killing civilians.
User avatar #255 to #243 - gilliam ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
Why should you? those are not exactly public trials, you know, reputation and stuff.
User avatar #256 to #255 - hydraetis (10/12/2013) [-]
True, but I still don't see why the US government would really give a **** considering their shady reputation.
User avatar #260 to #256 - gilliam ONLINE (10/13/2013) [-]
The reason they have a shade rep is because people like snowden leak things they should'nt, wich circles us back around.
#1 - davidavidson [OP](10/11/2013) [-]
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User avatar #2 to #1 - jackmanagan (10/12/2013) [-]
do you ride mr. davidson?
User avatar #31 to #2 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
I've had the same 900cc for years. Why do u ask?
User avatar #62 to #31 - jackmanagan (10/12/2013) [-]
been on bikes for 22 years. biker family, i have a 1975 sportster. no speedo, odo, blinkers or riders pegs. highway only. brass bitchbar. i ask because true riders are a dying breed. nice to meet others
User avatar #88 to #1 - mcsquishin ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
Downthumbed simply because of the three comments to the right of the picture.
User avatar #91 to #88 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
Crying bc I care what you think
User avatar #190 to #1 - pokemonstheshiz (10/12/2013) [-]
that statement is referring to the politician not fearing revolt. Any modern gun fearing is of being afraid of being unjustly shot, or of loved ones being shot. The option of revolt was allowed because they did not know if their system would work or allow too much power to one person(they feared another king). We now know that it works, and there are ways to change who is in the government. The problem is the people don't care enough to change it, that's what allows the corruption. If people don't care enough to really try and change the government with a system that's already in place, what on earth would make you think an overthrow of the government could actually arise. And then there's the whole problem of what to do when they overthrow it, seeing as no one can agree on political values already.

tl;dr these examples are unrelated, and the original reasons for owning guns are pretty moot. The only thing we need them for is to protect ourselves from other idiots with guns (game theory?).
#147 to #1 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
I thumbed you down not because of your opinion (I actually agree with you) but because you are a ******* faggot and a terrible person.
User avatar #197 to #147 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
Your anonymous tears nourish my soul
#4 to #1 - itsjustblaze (10/12/2013) [-]
For one, Obama has not once denied anyone their 2nd amendment rights, he just had one idea that maybe we dont need hundred round clips, then all the white   
trash gun nuts when crazy. Second, the founding fathers were a bunch of slave owning bigots and were anything but honest. Just because they lived in the past doesnt mean you were any more sincere than politicians nowadays
For one, Obama has not once denied anyone their 2nd amendment rights, he just had one idea that maybe we dont need hundred round clips, then all the white
trash gun nuts when crazy. Second, the founding fathers were a bunch of slave owning bigots and were anything but honest. Just because they lived in the past doesnt mean you were any more sincere than politicians nowadays
#5 to #4 - CHODYTHEBLAKGUY (10/12/2013) [-]
you sir are a faggot. I agree they had slaves and that doesn't make everything they did right but that's how everyone was back then. its not like they grew up being taught to treat every person equally even the black guy outside in his fields. hell George Washington had a giant family of black sons and daughters as well as the white ones. but politically not all of them were in politics they stood up against the injustice being done to them and tried to start a government based on what they believed to be right at the time. they fixed most of the wrongs they did with things they believed were right with the government over the years. but at the time they were doing what they believed was the right thing to do. they fought back against a government that tried to control and use them for their own personal gain. which is what americans now have the power to do but don't have the courage to do. americans now have the power to impeach and take any elected official out of power but they don't know that's within their rights. all we do is complain online and tell everyone how wrong it is and think we have done our fair share of good for the day and go about our business when instead we should be fighting back and trying to solve our problems instead of fighting amongst each other. we say we are a first world country but all I see is a country that is slowly but surely degenerating because the people refuse to stand up and get their hands dirty to save the country. sorry for the rant but ****
#32 to #5 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
Jesus christ, the romanticism you people put into the Founding Fathers is astonishing.

"thats how it was back then!!!"

So what? That's not an excuse. The Founding Fathers and most Patriots- along with most Loyalists, of course- were racist, sexist, etc. They wanted their freedom, but still traded slaves. They wanted their own land where they could be free, so they took it by murdering the natives.

Yeah, they did what they THOUGHT was right, and they did it for their own gain and the gain of people like them. They didn't give a **** about natives or blacks and pretending that they did is stupid.
User avatar #59 to #32 - keiishiyama (10/12/2013) [-]
Half the Founding Fathers only allowed slavery to continue so the country could get the ******* Constitution ratified. Washington freed all his slaves just before he died, and his wife made sure it happened.

And you lack subjective thought, which makes you pathetic. Slavery and lack of women's rights were normal NOT JUST IN AMERICA, but ALL ACROSS EUROPE. While we were fighting our Civil War, the Europeans were dividing Africa to fuel their massive empires. They kept trading slaves.
User avatar #199 to #4 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
>100 round clips

Stopped reading there...
User avatar #10 - gammajk (10/12/2013) [-]
Actually, Manning probably had no idea what he was leaking. He leaked hundreds of thousands of sensitive documents, including diplomatic cables, the identities of undercover informants, etc. Basically a lot of **** that can get people ******* killed. Manning is NOT a hero.
That being said, Obama is a ******* liar who completely turned his back on nearly all his promises back in 2007 and 2008, and the fact that Manning was held in solitary confinement for months before even getting a trial just proves the fact that you don't have any rights.
User avatar #8 - nooc (10/12/2013) [-]
That's not how you whistle blow. You report to your superiors

unless your institution lacks any integrity or moral fibre...
#9 to #8 - Cyraxx ONLINE (10/12/2013) [-]
Ye, report to your superiors so they can make sure that none of what you are consirned about is going to see the light of day.
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User avatar #248 to #244 - davidavidson [OP](10/12/2013) [-]
Is chess-bhurgr?
User avatar #249 to #248 - revengeforfreeze (10/12/2013) [-]
proply DDD
User avatar #254 to #244 - mayormilkman (10/12/2013) [-]
Finns are wacky.
#11 - aesis (10/12/2013) [-]
Yet no one does anything?   
America is a democracy, right? People rule and all that. Why don't they just impeach Obama?   
Maybe I don't know how it works as a European but Clinton lost his place because he got a blowjob. Why isn't Obama losing his place for 			*******		 over most of the US?
Yet no one does anything?
America is a democracy, right? People rule and all that. Why don't they just impeach Obama?
Maybe I don't know how it works as a European but Clinton lost his place because he got a blowjob. Why isn't Obama losing his place for ******* over most of the US?
User avatar #20 to #11 - Mahazama (10/12/2013) [-]
Because as simple minded and idiotic as it is to blame the president for things he may or may not have had a hand in, we don't just arbitrarily impeach elected officials.
#46 to #20 - afireinsidebrad (10/12/2013) [-]
at least not anymore, hell Nixon got impeached for bugging a couple of phones and (sadly cant remember what else he did that was "so bad") other **** , yet bush never did and neither has obama neither of whom knew/know how to run this damn country, same with congress
#21 to #11 - Jowi (10/12/2013) [-]
The idea that America is a democratic nation is doubly ludicrous this week because the Republican party have decided they would rather allow the country to shutdown then pass a minor (and not very radical) change to public healthcare simply because they lost the election and lost the vote on the budget
#82 to #21 - anon (10/12/2013) [-]
>minor non radical change to public healthcare

pick on obamabot
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