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#24 - thechosentroll
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#179 to #24 - antzell
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#200 to #24 - sirnigga
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whoa whoa whoa are you serious? mywhole life has been a lie I cant believe the waters wet
#236 to #24 - jellybob
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pfft saying water is wet. What strange world do you people live in?
#251 to #236 - davidavidson [OP]
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****... Op here. I am sorry thechosentroll.. My cat got on the iPad and somehow deleted ur comment..

****.. Have a good one.
#174 to #24 - thasmackdown **User deleted account**
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But, big brother... double think! YOU SAY TOO MUCH, someone needs to arrest you for your thoughtcrimes.
#161 to #24 - rollmania
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You're gonna be the one executed for revealing that water is wet. I hope you know that.
#187 to #24 - mdmazing
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THE WATER IS WET???
EXECUTE THIS MAN
#203 to #24 - iridium
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-We're supposed elect politicians to be upstanding members of our society, who know generally what they're doing, and be leaders of the public, not lying scumbags worse than McDonalds Managers in East Detroit.
-Soldiers kill people, but there's a difference between fighting armed militiamen trying to kill them and gunning down civilians.
-Monitoring people in public is fine. Monitoring their every move is quite Orwellian.
#247 to #203 - trapazoid
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Well said
#205 to #24 - mytwocents
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#227 to #24 - hydraetis
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That's because most people are too ****** dumb to realise **** as obvious as that is happening.
#134 to #24 - guyfunnyjunk
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But the dumb people are the majority and the dumb people don't believe any of that stuff unless they see it on tv that's why it becomes a problem.
#195 to #24 - alhemicar
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The sad part is that it's people don't believe in that, that's why Snowden and this guy forgot his name had to go to jail.
#207 to #195 - mytwocents
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#252 to #207 - revengeforfreeze
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POSITIVE
ATTITUDE
ACTIVATES
CONSTANT
ELEVATION
#168 to #24 - facetiousrunner
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(10/12/2013) [-]
sorry cant hear you
sorry cant hear you
#84 to #24 - tdogmeds
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(10/12/2013) [-]
This guy.
Next he's gonna tell us fire is hot.
#99 to #84 - ilovehitler
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or wasp am ouch
#144 to #99 - tdogmeds
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Or that we don't love Hitler.
#159 to #144 - allhailshrek
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I beg to differ.
#211 to #99 - wtfduud
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Comment Picture
#237 to #99 - amonomous
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*is

Come on man, it was one post ago. You're not even trying now.
#259 to #237 - ilovehitler
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It was one post ago for you. It was more for me.
#163 to #99 - stgfilitov
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what about rock is not eat.
#162 to #24 - megazoidubertron **User deleted account**
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#139 to #24 - karson
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you have made the finest point, ever.
#126 to #24 - DemonMatt
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The sky is blue and the grass is green. CIA leak.
#29 to #24 - captainwow
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Wait, what did you say about water?
#43 to #29 - mytwocents
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#56 - mcsquishin
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US soldiers killing civilians? I hate when people ignorantly believe everything that an extremely biased organization shoves down their throat. I'll preface what I'm about to say with this. While I was not a soldier of Bravo Company, 2-16 IN on the ground during the "collateral murder" incident, I was a soldier with Charlie Company, 2-16 IN and my knowledge of the situation comes directly from those involved.

With that said, every single kill recorded on that video was justified given the information the pilots had at the time. Bravo Company had been under fire in that area all morning. The video goes out of its way to identify the two Reuters reporters embedded with the insurgents, but it neglects to identify those in the group with the two reporters that were armed with AK47s and an RPG. This group, these insurgents, were ARMED COMBATANTS. I cannot emphasize that enough. Is it tragic that two reporters died? Yes. Is it tragic that children died? Yes. That said, you don’t bring your children to a firefight, and if you’re a reporter and you embed with insurgents then dying in the way they did was the risk they took.

Shower me with red thumbs all you want, this is the truth whether you are willing to believe it or not. Pic related, it’s all the 2-16 IN Rangers that were killed by the insurgents you all are so ready to cry over and sympathize with.
#239 to #56 - Yesitsme
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Sucks when you live in a warzone like Iraq and carrying weapons automatically makes you a criminal.
#257 to #239 - intrepidy
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فاتنة أنا الخروج لبعض الحليب

حسنا تكون سريعة وأخذ الأطفال قاذفة الصواريخ عبر الشارع وقد تم القفز الأسوار مرة أخرى
#258 to #257 - intrepidy
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I am skeptical how well google translated that.


You get the idea.
#188 to #56 - elcreepo
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The fault here is that there is no trust in the government, ergo leading to no trust in the military.

What REALLY needs to be done is to restore people's faith in the military while kicking the asses of every single politician in congress.
#221 to #188 - wildemu
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The true fault is the whole useless war on terrorism and the government that sends everyday normal citizens to some distant part of the world just so that they could, either shoot arabic ''terrorists'' there more like religous zealots like West burough baptist church, they just have another radical way of expressing their beliefs , which are essentially harmless to developed countries, or get shot and die which isn't any better.

Now I some may argue the terrorist being harmless part, but the ones being hunted down right this instant aren't even connected to the incidents of 9/11 and aren't even of the same ethnicity of the Boston Marathon bombers.

What I'm trying to say is that there will always be hatred versus America or any developed country regardless of what we do, and going to war with each of these nations wouldn't solve anything and it will result in pointless killings of civilians everytime. Humanity has to learn to unite.

Doubt it will ever happen but who knows...
#217 to #188 - cmilanes
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I'm a for a coup. But only if its just congress we get rid of.
#192 to #56 - anon
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>thinking that you can justify killing in any situation ever

ah, good old dumb arse americans
#198 to #192 - ihateallofyoualot **User deleted account**
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>not man enough to log in

If you were in a firefight you would shoot at anything that appeared to be a threat.
#231 to #56 - anon
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They died for the greatest country on G-d's Green Earth.
#233 to #231 - icheatjews
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/pol/ ***************
#234 to #56 - anon
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Stop trying to play the victim. In less than 5 years, you will instructed to shoot an American family right in the head, and if you refuse to do it, you will be imprisoned. That's how the military works, do what I say or go to prison and die.
#78 to #56 - BLOONMOON
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Did you see the video? Its hard to tell if there even were AK-47s and an RPG. Those cameras they had could have easily been mistaken for a weapon.

As for soldier you, be aware your higher ups will always make **** seem justifiable. I bet you saw soldiers that would love to see the middle east be bombed to parking lot status. The ones that erased humanity from muslims and just thought of them as crazy ************* with bombs. Also, "information the pilots had at the time"? They just went off what they "saw" didn't they. They go with the "shoot first, questions later" policy so many people with power and guns go with.

And to top it off, who is to say the truth? How are you able to trust the information the Army gives when in recent wars information was always picked around and made to sound good to the public. Manning wanted to leak that video in essence that the Army would NEVERR show that **** to the public. Why? Because it shows the raw truth and grime of what the army does and wouldn't want the ********* it would face.
#146 to #78 - azumeow
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That's funny, because the gunner asked for permission to engage about 10 times within a span of thirty seconds, and only fired after being given permission to do so.
#85 to #78 - mcsquishin
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For the record to anyone a bit lost right now, the following link will take you to the "Collateral Murder" video that is at the center of this topic

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

To answer you BLOONMOON, yes of course I watched the video. I also know quite well the soldiers that were there on the ground that picked up the pieces, figuratively and literally. Those pieces included weapons. I'm not going to sit here and argue back and forth with you. I will only say this. Your perception of American soldiers is wrong and prejudiced.
#93 to #85 - davidavidson [OP]
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Lol, just go
#94 to #85 - BLOONMOON
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You probably think I see all US soldiers as dogs. I don't. Soldiers are humans that get corrupted and washed with a notion that death is necessary for all change.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaTcLWNOFtY

Here's a guy who was there.
**** like this happened daily, didn't it?
#136 to #94 - anon
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This is McSquishin replying anonymously. Apparently BLOONMOON and OP have blocked me, preventing me from replying, so I'm forced to respond this way. What I've written below is in response to BLOONMOON's reply to my own comment, and this will be the last time I post on this content.

Death was nearly a daily occurrence, yes. But I would disagree with McCord's interpretation of events. I watched your link, with McCord's interview, and a lot of what he said is speculation. For example, when he said he saw Apaches firing hellfire missiles into homes occupied only by civilians, there's no possible way he could have known that. I respect Ethan McCord, his mind is a true casualty of war, but this video was politically biased.
#81 to #78 - davidavidson [OP]
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******* this, I hate when FJer's thumb **** up because of "M-muh Patriotism!!"

The chilling fact that those ***** over the radio were leling all the way to the top while killing a woman with a basket along with said 'turrists', is just beyond me.

Lrn2 Human Compassions FJ.
#182 to #81 - YoursTruley ONLINE
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they thumb **** because its not all black and white, the video doesnt show everything or the whole story. it has nothing to do with learning human compassion it has to do with the hell of war, which none of you can even comprehend.
#183 to #182 - davidavidson [OP]
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Two tours in theatre both in Afghanistan doesn't count huh?

Ignorance will always be blocked here. Stay edgy and special, no one will like you either way
#184 to #183 - anon
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#158 to #78 - FuckYouFatBen
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Um...Can i see this video?
#189 to #56 - kingbx
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Former 1-16IN Iron Ranger here.
Good ol' Fort Riley, KS
#15 - maggotarms
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he also leaked patrol routes that show were all the solider were patrolling, if the enemy got a hold of that ambushing would be easy
#37 - mytwocents
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#224 to #37 - themarineelite
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To be fair he also stole 4 ******* LAPTOPS FULL OF DATA ABOUT INTERNATIONAL SPYING FROM THE NSA!!!!!
#44 to #37 - guiguito
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tho i find it good we know, the dude signed a contrat of secrecy, this dude is by all definitions a douchbag.
#38 to #37 - davidavidson [OP]
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Tob SNIBETI !!!11
#41 to #38 - mytwocents
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#42 to #41 - davidavidson [OP]
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It got trashed by kikish israeli open boarder policies and free money for *******..
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#51 to #48 - davidavidson [OP]
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Are you high?

> Mexican 3x more likely than white
>3x more likely

You don't need to believe it if you don't want . Most Americans aren't required to be open to solid facts since king Obongo took over president of the feel states..
#52 to #51 - mytwocents
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#76 to #42 - commandershit
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Facts about SKIN COLOR and Crime.

Race is something way different.
#116 to #76 - icheatjews
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Are you ******* autisitc?

Race has everything to do with skin color... Unless your a ******* wigger or Weeaboo you are a part of the statistic

>N-no!! MUH FEELINGS!!

Well sorry, its how you show up on your drivers license.. ****** or not you are a part of the system.

Oh, please don't have kids, being you have no idea what the **** to think other than what some liberal website tells you. Pls, kill yourself for the sake of humanity?
#120 to #116 - commandershit
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Not sure if incest child or trying to troll
#3 - teranin ONLINE
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#273 to #3 - majordraco
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#141 - helenwheels
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MFW the reason he's being chased after is because he released information about United states battle tactics that actually is harmful to civilians,
#177 to #141 - yusay
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>Chased after

They had their trial a few months ago and is going to serve time in a bit, if not already serving their time.
#160 to #141 - childofnephilim
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You are a brave man. Takes sand to take that stand when the rest of the comments are inclined to vindicate those who have leaked info on the US. Didn't even anon your way through this.

**** it, thumb for you. Good show.
#57 - anon
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Hey asshole, explain to me how the **** it's the soldiers fault that the enemy hides in HIGHLY populated areas and fire at the US soldiers knowing fully that if they retaliate there's a high chance of casualties? They're the bad people, not us. We'd love to fight them in an abandoned area with no one but soldiers but they don't want that. They use civilians as meat shields. They're all ******* scum. It's their fault there are so many casualties, not ours. So **** off.
#69 to #57 - peacekeeperone
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yeah americans should keep using bombs and try to hit as many buildings as possible
#172 to #57 - rocstarsix
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because the equipment they use is ******* garbage, they are going to take every advantage they can. When you strap on a gun and go walking around another man's country you'd better be ready for some action jack.
#58 to #57 - anon
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Implying the US has any right to be in the Middle East and fight those "bad people".
#63 to #58 - flaminggodzilla
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You're right, and Britain, France, and America had no reason to be in Germany in the 1940's.
#61 to #58 - mcsquishin
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So you would argue for isolationism? If not, then what level of genocide is just enough for you to call for intervention? Saddam Hussein was a monster. He committed genocide. More than that committed genocide by way of chemical warfare (which, by the way, you should know that chemical weapons are weapons of mass destruction).
#64 to #61 - iloveburzum
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Sorry, we obviously forgot that its okay to attack people that kill large numbers of civilians, with say.... nukes? Dropped on two cities?
#68 to #64 - mcsquishin
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Easy to say that with four generations of hind sight. . Ending the fight with Japan was a lose-lose proposition. Either invade conventionally and incur nearly a million US casualties, or drop an extremely powerful bomb (at the time nuclear weapons did not have their current level of mysticism around them) to hopefully bring Japan to it's proverbial knees. There was no right answer.
#70 to #68 - iloveburzum
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Its easy to say many things with hindsight.
I simply intended to remind people that hitting ********* of civilians has never really been a concern of the united states.
#71 to #70 - mcsquishin
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And that statement is simply wrong. Civilian casualties are of great concern to the US armed forces. Otherwise we would not have such strict rules for engagement. Atrocities have happened, but they are not representative of how American warfighters go about their day.
#73 to #71 - iloveburzum
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I believe the american government sets up rules to make it appear that they care, for political reasons. But I doubt they actually give a ****. I wouldn't be surprised if they got up to all sorts of **** secretly.
But then, I believe that they are picking their targets for war based purely upon who has resources they can gain control of, and not for any other reason they suggest.
So clearly i'm a crackpot tinhat.
#74 to #73 - mcsquishin
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You seem to be forgetting that it's not politicians that are bound by rules of engagement. It's 18 year old Private Joe Snuffy. He is the one who makes split second decisions as to who lives and who dies, and it's his prudence and moral compass that defines America at war. I have served with a lot of men, not one of them had a hard on to kill civilians. On the contrary, many are haunted by their kills, kills that were justified and taken from an armed enemy.
#170 to #74 - stealingbikes
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Met and spoken with countless Marines, Army and other ground combat personnel as they passed through Manas AB on their way home from deployments (Kyrgyzstan was pretty much my "winter home") and I can attest that you are absolutely correct.
#75 to #74 - iloveburzum
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Yeah? And I think soldiers believe what they're told. Somewhere up the command chain, someone is being told where to bomb, what amount of civilian casualties are deemed acceptable, and what to tell everyone beneath him.
#77 to #75 - mcsquishin
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Your ignorance astounds me. There is no such thing as a level of acceptable civilian casualties. Lest you forget, I was a soldier. I fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I KNOW first hand what I'm talking about. Soldiers do not act blindly. We do not follow unlawful orders. We do not drop ordnance on civilian targets. I'm not going to lie, **** happens sometimes. Bombs are given faulty grid coordinates, indirect fire is called for just a little too close to civilian targets. Bullets travel through walls past their intended target. This is the nature of war. None of that is to imply that their is an inbred indoctrination that these events are acceptable.
#80 to #77 - iloveburzum
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I'm not saying the guys in the field are at fault. You don't follow unlawful orders, but you aren't foolproof. I'm saying your superiors somewhere up the line have these rules.

1. Commanding officer, general, whatever, gets told to ignore high civilian population/tell soldiers war is for freedom corrupt gov whatever instead of over resources.
2. Information is passed down the lines, soldiers who are basically decent blokes/need the job and don't want to be cunts/people who want to serve their country all believe it.
3. Bad guys/civilians/hospitals get blown up, everyone is very sad and guilty
4. profit.
#87 to #80 - defender
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What makes you think you have any idea on how the military works.
#95 to #87 - iloveburzum
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Cynicism.

And the nearly endless amounts of information available to us via the internet.

The news.

A few books I own about it.

wikileaks.

etc.
#102 to #95 - ilovehitler
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Oh yes, all those things are extremely accurate, and would never lie in the slightest
#104 to #102 - iloveburzum
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Implying that you can trust anything these days.
#105 to #104 - ilovehitler
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Exactly, so why would you trust those things?
#108 to #105 - iloveburzum
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How the **** do you find out information?
I use a combination of the things I have listed to attempt to piece together the truth.
I use my own brain whenever possible to understand the world around me.

What do you use for information?
#109 to #108 - ilovehitler
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Oh, I use more or less the same things you do. Unlike you, however, I don't just think "Hmm, they must be telling me the truth. They can't be biased at all!"
#112 to #109 - iloveburzum
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Yes because that is clearly what I do, having told you thats what I do in the last two posts.
Or possibly you're using your keen mind to interpret what i'm saying as the complete ******* opposite of what i'm saying.
#113 to #112 - ilovehitler
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You're right, despite your petty attempt at sarcasm; that IS exactly what you do.
#125 to #95 - defender
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And you think that makes you the all knowing of military operations and know how. Listen here arm chair general you don't know **** so stop acting like you do.
#129 to #125 - iloveburzum
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What do you suggest I do to help me learn more about the methods and practices of the military, without joining that parade of dickstrokers and civilian butchering cunts?
#135 to #129 - defender
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If you won't join then you don't know how the military works you read biased reports and sources and I suggest you stop acting like you know what you are talking about. Just because you read about something doesn't make you and expert it takes personnel experience to understand the real workings of something a thing books and the internet will never get.
#131 to #129 - defender
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Join the military
#132 to #131 - iloveburzum
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lelelel.
#145 to #64 - azumeow
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Don't go down this path. I did a research paper on why those bombs were necessary. ALL projections of a ground invasion of mainland Japan resulted in 500,000+ casualties on EACH SIDE.

So, 300,000+ deaths as opposed to over a million? Yeah, I'll take the 300,000.
#156 to #145 - iloveburzum
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But soldiers casualties instead of civilian.
Meh, I see your point though.
#169 to #64 - stealingbikes
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It's funny because Fat Man and Little Boy weren't actually nuclear weapons.

Atomic bomb =/= nuclear bomb
#65 to #64 - anon
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If you're talking about WW2 and Japan than Japan ******* deserved that ****. **** them. They started it we finished it.
#67 to #65 - iloveburzum
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******* america attacked iraq etc for ****** reasons, clearly they deserved 9/11 and anything else thrown their way.

Your logic.
#204 to #57 - mayormilkman
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I have a feeling that this is one of those users who posts comments anonymously and favorites it. In this case it looks like they're well-received.
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#12 - grimagination
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relevant
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#83 to #14 - BLOONMOON
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defection? he's doing political asylum. he's avoiding the one way ticket to Guantanamo. he can only be in Russia for a year.
#19 to #14 - krisaeron
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and?
#27 to #19 - Whaaaaaaaaa
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They did that **** in the 50's except then it was called espionage and they people were spy. This guy just wanted to do damage to America's credibility then fled instead of being a true hero and facing punishment for it.
#54 to #27 - krisaeron
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I received your sarcasm and laughed a little.
> true hero
#45 to #27 - afireinsidebrad
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and i really dont see whats wrong with "defecting" to another country, it also happened constantly in the 50's between countries
#1 - davidavidson [OP]
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(10/11/2013) [-]
#1 Prezidant Evr!!!

M-muh black hertig!
Muh dick!!
#4 to #1 - itsjustblaze
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(10/12/2013) [-]
For one, Obama has not once denied anyone their 2nd amendment rights, he just had one idea that maybe we dont need hundred round clips, then all the white   
trash gun nuts when crazy. Second, the founding fathers were a bunch of slave owning bigots and were anything but honest. Just because they lived in the past doesnt mean you were any more sincere than politicians nowadays
For one, Obama has not once denied anyone their 2nd amendment rights, he just had one idea that maybe we dont need hundred round clips, then all the white
trash gun nuts when crazy. Second, the founding fathers were a bunch of slave owning bigots and were anything but honest. Just because they lived in the past doesnt mean you were any more sincere than politicians nowadays
#5 to #4 - CHODYTHEBLAKGUY
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(10/12/2013) [-]
you sir are a faggot. I agree they had slaves and that doesn't make everything they did right but that's how everyone was back then. its not like they grew up being taught to treat every person equally even the black guy outside in his fields. hell George Washington had a giant family of black sons and daughters as well as the white ones. but politically not all of them were in politics they stood up against the injustice being done to them and tried to start a government based on what they believed to be right at the time. they fixed most of the wrongs they did with things they believed were right with the government over the years. but at the time they were doing what they believed was the right thing to do. they fought back against a government that tried to control and use them for their own personal gain. which is what americans now have the power to do but don't have the courage to do. americans now have the power to impeach and take any elected official out of power but they don't know that's within their rights. all we do is complain online and tell everyone how wrong it is and think we have done our fair share of good for the day and go about our business when instead we should be fighting back and trying to solve our problems instead of fighting amongst each other. we say we are a first world country but all I see is a country that is slowly but surely degenerating because the people refuse to stand up and get their hands dirty to save the country. sorry for the rant but ****
#32 to #5 - anon
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(10/12/2013) [-]
Jesus christ, the romanticism you people put into the Founding Fathers is astonishing.

"thats how it was back then!!!"

So what? That's not an excuse. The Founding Fathers and most Patriots- along with most Loyalists, of course- were racist, sexist, etc. They wanted their freedom, but still traded slaves. They wanted their own land where they could be free, so they took it by murdering the natives.

Yeah, they did what they THOUGHT was right, and they did it for their own gain and the gain of people like them. They didn't give a **** about natives or blacks and pretending that they did is stupid.
#59 to #32 - keiishiyama
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(10/12/2013) [-]
Half the Founding Fathers only allowed slavery to continue so the country could get the ******* Constitution ratified. Washington freed all his slaves just before he died, and his wife made sure it happened.

And you lack subjective thought, which makes you pathetic. Slavery and lack of women's rights were normal NOT JUST IN AMERICA, but ALL ACROSS EUROPE. While we were fighting our Civil War, the Europeans were dividing Africa to fuel their massive empires. They kept trading slaves.
#199 to #4 - davidavidson [OP]
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(10/12/2013) [-]
>100 round clips
>clips

Stopped reading there...
#88 to #1 - mcsquishin
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(10/12/2013) [-]
Downthumbed simply because of the three comments to the right of the picture.
#91 to #88 - davidavidson [OP]
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(10/12/2013) [-]
Crying bc I care what you think
#2 to #1 - jackmanagan
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(10/12/2013) [-]
do you ride mr. davidson?
#31 to #2 - davidavidson [OP]
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(10/12/2013) [-]
I've had the same 900cc for years. Why do u ask?
#62 to #31 - jackmanagan
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(10/12/2013) [-]
been on bikes for 22 years. biker family, i have a 1975 sportster. no speedo, odo, blinkers or riders pegs. highway only. brass bitchbar. i ask because true riders are a dying breed. nice to meet others
#147 to #1 - anon
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(10/12/2013) [-]
I thumbed you down not because of your opinion (I actually agree with you) but because you are a ******* faggot and a terrible person.
#197 to #147 - davidavidson [OP]
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(10/12/2013) [-]
Your anonymous tears nourish my soul
#190 to #1 - pokemonstheshiz
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(10/12/2013) [-]
that statement is referring to the politician not fearing revolt. Any modern gun fearing is of being afraid of being unjustly shot, or of loved ones being shot. The option of revolt was allowed because they did not know if their system would work or allow too much power to one person(they feared another king). We now know that it works, and there are ways to change who is in the government. The problem is the people don't care enough to change it, that's what allows the corruption. If people don't care enough to really try and change the government with a system that's already in place, what on earth would make you think an overthrow of the government could actually arise. And then there's the whole problem of what to do when they overthrow it, seeing as no one can agree on political values already.

tl;dr these examples are unrelated, and the original reasons for owning guns are pretty moot. The only thing we need them for is to protect ourselves from other idiots with guns (game theory?).
#176 - lulzdealer
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(10/12/2013) [-]
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