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#365 - holysorrow (02/22/2013) [-]
Here we go, a start to yet another completely ignorant Fj battle on who's right and who's wrong. I do appreciate the content for the actual fact. No matter what, every president will lie, the government will always do the opposite of what it should, politics is just a corrupt thing, it'll never change.
#367 to #365 - chaosacaza **User deleted account** (02/22/2013) [-]
Here we go, a start to another completely ignorant battle about how politics never change. I do appreciate the comment for its point of view. No matter what, every person will be pissed about politics, People will always use whatever forum (fj, fb, youtube,cardboard.) to get their feelings heard, People have opinions, That will never change.
Here we go, a start to another completely ignorant battle about how politics never change. I do appreciate the comment for its point of view. No matter what, every person will be pissed about politics, People will always use whatever forum (fj, fb, youtube,cardboard.) to get their feelings heard, People have opinions, That will never change.
#363 - caplocker (02/22/2013) [-]
It wasn't always on our paper money. It has always been on our coins. Besides, who gives a **** ? It could say "In toilet paper I trust" and I still wouldn't give a **** .

#362 - nozepicker (02/22/2013) [-]
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I read "In god we ONE"
#360 - facedodge (02/22/2013) [-]
Two can play this game... Every Congress is opened with Prayer to this day. Pic related - First Prayer.


User avatar #352 - responsibletim (02/22/2013) [-]
Why do you even give a **** ?
#349 - anonymous (02/22/2013) [-]
Am I the only atheist who does not give two ***** about this? I mean, it's just text on a colored piece of money; it has no significance. As for the pledge, just don't say under god and we are all ok.
User avatar #354 to #349 - biker (02/22/2013) [-]
They put "in god we trust" because they wanted to reinforce the importance of God to the american people because part of being a communist was to be without religion.
Before that time many people were appalled by the idea of putting God on money.
User avatar #355 to #354 - scorcho (02/22/2013) [-]
so it's just a anti communism propaganda thing?
User avatar #364 to #355 - neoexdeath ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
It was the fifties, everything was anti-communist. There was even a patriotic way to take a **** . (It involves doing the pledge of allegiance once your colon starts contracting)
#350 to #349 - anonymous (02/22/2013) [-]
Colored piece of paper....my bad lol
User avatar #345 - Vandeekree ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
Yeah, they've put it on and off several times throughout American history.
User avatar #340 - vivapinatapro (02/22/2013) [-]
Cry more.
User avatar #336 - salihzzz (02/22/2013) [-]
i'm muslim and i'd like to add some explosions to the bill
User avatar #335 - PedoNazi (02/22/2013) [-]
are people really getting butthurt about ******* words on money now? WHO ******* CARES?! the money is not forcing you to believe in anything, it just says 4 words that should mean nothing to you, ******* live with it
User avatar #344 to #335 - RandomAnonGuy (02/22/2013) [-]
I think it's more in response to people arguing that America is a Christian nation because of things like this. Not that this post belongs here, but it does have a legitimate premise.
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#337 to #331 - anonymous (02/22/2013) [-]
"gee, this isn't biased at all!'' -no one
#330 - anonymous (02/22/2013) [-]
the reason we put it on their was because communists were also atheists so we needed another way to tell them we were against it
User avatar #329 - respectacles (02/22/2013) [-]
jesus is coming, look busy
User avatar #320 - fourtwentt (02/22/2013) [-]
'money is evil'
'lets put gods name on it'
#341 to #320 - fuckyosixtyminutes (02/22/2013) [-]
As if anyone in the federal government thinks money is evil...
User avatar #274 to #271 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
I'm christian, but I wouldn't mind having this on the coin.
#265 - quickstrike (02/22/2013) [-]
As long as humans are emotional beings, you will find among us those who subscribe to comforting myths, particularly those which are conveniently unfalsifiable.

People believe in their religion based on its desirability, not its validity. The fact that religion has survived until this day and age is fascinating and puzzling, but hey, when you can control the people so easily, why stop?
User avatar #273 to #265 - jovisman (02/22/2013) [-]
because it would be the moral thing to do
#296 to #273 - quickstrike (02/22/2013) [-]
That was a rhetorical question.
User avatar #339 to #257 - kingrayne ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
"Religious freedom"

IN GOD WE TRUST, OBVIOUSLY
User avatar #263 to #257 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
Coins still were originally not etched with that. That is OP's point. Please listen to the History major...
User avatar #268 to #263 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
they were until 1908 I think.

over 100 years is a pretty long time
User avatar #328 to #268 - theknikker (02/22/2013) [-]
Point is still that it way came later after coins started flowing in the late 1700s
#259 to #257 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
whats this?

it was on the penny even in 1920?

boy that OP sure is a ****** .
#260 to #259 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
Holy horsecock batman.

even the penny from 1909 had in god we trust.

I don't call you a godless heathen for not sharing my belief, I would like the same respect. who cares if we have a tribute on our currency.
#276 to #260 - merrymarvelite (02/22/2013) [-]
1787.

The motto on the coin was "Mind your buisiness."
User avatar #281 to #276 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
The same could be said for OP, who is going out of his way to discredit christianity, and I'm the one being scrutinized for defending my religion.

I don't force my beliefs on anyone, and I defend others beliefs.
User avatar #262 to #260 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
I am Pagan... I want some things on there too. Oh wait I cannot do anything like that, but am forced to pledge allegiance under a god I do not believe in, and use money that has god all over it?

It is just not respectful to all parties. That's all that bugs me.
User avatar #270 to #262 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
the stay silent during the under god part. im agnostic but i understand this nation was founded by christianity
User avatar #323 to #270 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
Lastly before I go, I say no. I won't be silent because I do not agree with it, yet love my country.I hope it changes, for I believe in a world not separated by color, orientation, or belief, nor will I be privy to let it control me or others.

Many of us still remember the evil committed by religious actions... They certainly do in the middle east even from the 1600s. My own beliefs have tainted history, so let us just be done with forcing the words out of others mouths on what the past says.
User avatar #282 to #270 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
The Constitution made no reference to a divine being. Two of the creators being deists, another Unitarian, and another Anglican. Hell you should see what Thomas Jerfferson wrote about it!

They agreed putting in there would be good for the masses, but made sure that they said religious freedom is paramount. They suffered at the hands of Britain already enough, and knew not to do the same thing.

Had they made it today, it would not be the same. The country was found on Freedom of religion, not just one.
User avatar #286 to #282 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
you completely missed my point. the people of the nation were christian. they came to the new world for religion. i find it strange that god can only refer to judeo christian god. the nation wasnt founded by the constitution it was founded by the declaration of independence which does in fact say god.
User avatar #290 to #286 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
No not only Christian. Oh and don't forget the Indian Population being ******** by those Christians either... There were many religions, but yes mostly catholic and Christian. Also, in the time the Constitution was made, people had come for far more than religious persecution. If you ever look into that you will find the British actually kicked them out for being zealots, and the people who came later just wanted a better life.
User avatar #299 to #290 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
i dont see how natives are at all relevant in this. the constitution founded the government not the country. the country was founded under god. the population lived their life under god. the term protistant work ethic helped shape america in to what it is today. because a piece of paper doesnt say under god because although they believe in one they respect others doesnt mean that the nation wasnt religious. i was challenged with by a christian that because the constitution doesnt say seperation of church and state than it isnt wrong to make religious based laws
User avatar #308 to #299 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
Nowhere in the Constitution will you find words like "right to privacy" or even "right to a fair trial" either. We still get that do we not? The ideas are still there, and religious laws destroy the idea of religious freedom. The constitution DOES say however "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

So tell that guy he was off by miles.
User avatar #317 to #308 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
well the sixth amendment more or less guarantees fair trial. and no we dont have a right to privacy its something people came up with from freedom from unlawful search and seizure.

you cant say the constitution more or less says one thing but because it doesnt say word for word another it doesnt count. the point he made is the constitution does not say word for word seperation of church and state.

religious laws arent always bad. laws against aduktary dont disrespect any other religions duties. you arent prevented from following one because you have to follow what we as a nation have decided and continued to agree are the right ways to live.

at the basis its democracy at its finest. the majority is christian. in democracy majority rules
User avatar #322 to #317 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
I give up. If you think we don't have a right to privacy I don't feel like quoting the info any more. Seperation of Church and state is implied, and later was added anyways, so it really does not matter I suppose on that. Religious laws being first and foremost an attack on freedom of religion like I said, BUT they can still be done, just not worded under any gods.

I will say Christianity is dropping rather fast. Atheists, and Muslims starting to take it back.

Don't feel bad. My religion is dying too.
User avatar #333 to #322 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
`you completely ignored me saying im agnostic and many of my points
User avatar #372 to #333 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
Whoops, forgot, as I was talking to like three people at 5AM. My mistake.
User avatar #297 to #290 - metalmind (02/22/2013) [-]
Yes, but hey, they only killed 18 Million, but it's okay to them, they were the ones chosen by god. I mean come on. The reference to god in the pledge of allegiance is a violation of the separation of church and state. And as far as christianity is concerned, it's one of mankinds worst inventions
#280 to #270 - uncleforeskin (02/22/2013) [-]
'founded by christianity' Please educate yourself. Most of the founding fathers were atheists or deists and this was obviously reflected in their writings. They reference a creator, but they never said it was the creator of Judeo-Christan myth (hence deism). This country was in no way founded by Christianity.
User avatar #283 to #280 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
the people who wrote the document may not have been but the people sure were. why did people come over? because they werent allowed to practice the way they wanted to.
User avatar #313 to #283 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
You telling me the Germans, Irish, and all the other nations came for that? No, the Mayflower and a few other ships sent over the ones wanting that. Others came for a better life outside for any number of reasons besides that.

After you leave High School and get information that High school and below sugar coated everything you will understand. Those texbooks are crap and even say things like: "the first woman in space was American". It is a poison in our schools.
User avatar #321 to #313 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
im sorry the highschool comment annoyed me because i thought this was a civil discussion.

and saying the irish werent religious is just stupid they fought for independence largely due to the largely protistant british persecuting the catholic irish
User avatar #324 to #321 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
They came over mostly due to famine. I figured you are actually still in High School, or we would not be arguing over facts.

My mistake it that offends you.
User avatar #334 to #324 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
because you are making connections in my statements that i am not. i never said they came over for religion. im said the reason ireland fought for indipendence had a large basis in religion. were not arguing whether one fact is true or not. i assurt one fact and you put forward another i never denied
User avatar #318 to #313 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
Just as well, the original people from Britain to come here did so on May 14, 1607.

You really think they are the same ones who wrote the constitution in the revolution on July 4, 1776?
User avatar #267 to #262 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
You aren't forced to pledge allegiance to the flag. Its optional, it always has been.
You aren't forced to believe in our god.
we aren't asking you to do anything for our god.

Tell me, what harm is there to you having "in god we trust" on the coin?
User avatar #301 to #267 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
Also, just a history lesson, but In 1954, the phrase “under God” was added to the Pledge of Allegiance. In a nation about religious freedom, that just does not make any sense.

I am Pagan like I said... don't judge me as an atheist automatically or something.
User avatar #306 to #301 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
just a quick question. pagans believe in natural gods correct? or at least dieties (gods) based in nature?
User avatar #311 to #306 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
It can mean many things.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism
User avatar #315 to #311 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
I laughed that that was thumbed down ^.

The guy doing that, I would rather you chat than be thinking I care about thumbs.
I'm not thumbing any of you down for the record.
User avatar #319 to #315 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
neither am i i like a good discussion
User avatar #325 to #319 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
That is a good thing. Talking helps oil the mind.
User avatar #304 to #301 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
This isn't about the pledge, this is about the currency.
User avatar #309 to #304 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
Just making a point... It is related in every way.
User avatar #312 to #309 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
I'll grant you that, you're right, it doesn't make sense.

But I stand by having in god we trust on money.
User avatar #314 to #312 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
I appreciate it. Though why not just nothing? Some everyone is happy and content?

Not my ideas or anyone else, just currency. They added it, and they can take it away right?
User avatar #316 to #314 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
They can, but as I said, it's a privilege that the majority of americans enjoy. Because the majority of america is christian. It shouldn't bother anyone else, its not causing riots or ******* , its four words on a scrap of metal.

But as a christian, when I look at a coin, and I see that... I smile...
User avatar #275 to #267 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
It is not optional where I went to school, and I was in ROTC. I was forced to do it.

No I am not just like you are not for mine, that's fine.

As for the coin, just saying that if it said in Satan we trust because that's what the people wanted at the time you would not want that right? Coins should not have your beliefs or mine either on them in a free world. Stamping that on currency is just sort of arrogant. I don't hate it per-say, but don't care for the idea. Remember I am Pagan, atheists don't agree with either of this, and I am not attacking anyone's ideals.
User avatar #289 to #275 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
your not pledging allegence to the god you pledging allegence to the flag. the flag of a nation which was founded under god
User avatar #293 to #289 - theknikker (02/22/2013) [-]
One nation under god is still asking me to believe its under god. I don't, so **** that.
User avatar #303 to #293 - sketchE ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
then as i said. stay silent during that part. whether you believe in the god or not the decleration of independence does mention god. the document founding the nation states it should be created because britain violated gods naturaly given rights. regardless of your individual beliefs the nation you are swearing allegience to is under god.
User avatar #284 to #275 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
This nation was founded by christians. Yes yes, separate church and state...Ect ect.

and for the most part that's true, we don't have any laws against or for any particular religion, but not even being able to have "in god we trust" on the coin seems a bit overkill and almost like people will find anything to complain about.

And I have never heard of it being mandatory to salute the flag, if you don't want to, you stay silent.
User avatar #287 to #284 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
I live in Texas. Trust me it does not work that way. I like to pledge though. I do care for my nation, Just under others. As for founded by Christians you should see my other comment. It covers that. As for laws? Talk to some homosexual groups... and how laws and people acting under the guise of religion treat them.
User avatar #291 to #287 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
Refer to sketche's comment about the nations founding.
And I highly doubt you are FORCED to pledge... I don't care how patriotic your state is.

And just because some rotten apple christians will insult and belittle gays doesn't give you the right to take it out on all of us.
User avatar #305 to #291 - metalmind (02/22/2013) [-]
How can anybody in their right mind believes the judeo-christian myth?
User avatar #378 to #305 - sketchE ONLINE (02/23/2013) [-]
its called faith. there are people who deep down in their hearts believe it. they dont need facts or proof they have the trust and belief that their is a god.
User avatar #307 to #305 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
Thanks ******* . Thats exactly what this conversation needed.
User avatar #298 to #291 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
I'm not, but you asked about the laws, and I replied. Does every Christian think that? No, and I know that don't. I have some very great Christian friends that I do Charity with AND support gay rights. But I never said "all" are bad.
User avatar #300 to #298 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
Then why are you trying to take away a privilege for the average good christian
That's right, it's a privilege that we have in god we trust on the coin. And I enjoy having it, it makes me smile knowing its there.

And just because some backwater hicks that are poor excuses for christians want to diminish gay rights, you want to protest our privileges?

Do you see why this bothers me?
User avatar #326 to #300 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
And what privileges do I have? That does not sound like a fair country religious system. I want it fair. That simple. Just fair.

Night.
User avatar #266 to #262 - idiotbox (02/22/2013) [-]
ok well no one is going to be happy just deal with this how it is now
User avatar #269 to #266 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
I do because I have to. I live in a place called "Babtist row" in Texas. I learned a long time ago to try and just keep to myself, and let the rabble bitch about it all.

Yet I did this, but I wanted to voice an opinion I suppose.
User avatar #277 to #269 - idiotbox (02/22/2013) [-]
no problem with that. but in a way christianinty makes up realy good moral standards that pertain to everyone in the new testemant
User avatar #285 to #277 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
They have some good rules, but they re bent and burned by those who abuse them. Not saying I disagree but I do not like beliefs having power over what people do, like gay marriage for example. I like most of the rules even if some are silly and contradict what went on in the days of Jesus... but someone should tell the pope those rules.
User avatar #292 to #285 - idiotbox (02/22/2013) [-]
well yea that is true.... im a christian and i go to church seeing all the dressed up folks that remind me of Pharasies, they were like the stuck up church leaders of biblical times. The people who are christians sometimes have to choose to listen more to the old testament or the new testement where jesus taught us not to supress people and make them think like us but to try to guide them on our path but if they refuse love them like they were a little brother or sister
User avatar #295 to #292 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
I agree with this, and to tell you the truth the church I have the most respect for gives free food, and they ask that anyone come. Not just Christians, but anyone. They have no gold, or stained windows, or anything like that. Just a little place.

To me that was the perfect idea of what a Christian group should be. And I like next door to a Korean church with an equally Korean Jesus statue. lol

Sad part is seeing the mega churches that BEG you for money when you walk in, and preach for you, but do no Charity or anything for the community otherwise. That is a business not a church.
User avatar #302 to #295 - idiotbox (02/22/2013) [-]
yea after going to a bunch of churches like the buisnesslike ones you talk about i found one that is small and humble but i tell you what, we have done alot of community work that i taken part of. I also live near the biggest church in the U.S. and it basicly took over our town
User avatar #327 to #302 - exarzero (02/22/2013) [-]
Wal-Mart "for Jesus". lol
User avatar #348 to #327 - idiotbox (02/22/2013) [-]
haha basically!
User avatar #251 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
The whole reason that it was put there during the Cold War to set a difference between US and atheist Communists is very ironical, since the Russian Orthodox Church almost ALWAYS had a very powerful grip on society.
Russians today, just like Romanians, unfortunately, tend to be VEEERY religious and have a strong, almost irrational faith in the Orthodox church/belief.

P.S.: I for one hate the **** out of all 3 Abrahamic religions, but due to my birthplace I hate Orthodox blockheads the most; for me they're not much different than Muslim extremists (FYI, google "Romanian Iron Guard", a fascist Orthodox movement during WW2, who were hell bent on "cleansing the country and returning to ancestral values"... very ironic to be a part of a criminal fascist group yet consider yourself VERY Christian...)
#261 to #251 - quickstrike (02/22/2013) [-]
It's always the very religious people that are the problem. Nowadays it's mostly Muslims.
#258 to #251 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
>ironical

....that sounds like a word jilian would use
User avatar #264 to #258 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
From my point of view it's a word that an English speaker would use

IDGAF who "jilian" is, I don't even watch Family Guy
User avatar #272 to #264 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
Sorry if it isn't your native language, I understand how difficult it must be learning english. It's one of the most confusing language there is.

The proper term is ironic
User avatar #278 to #272 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
It's not my native language, but I've been learning it since I was a toddler, so it's become very "native" for me.

But yeah, I dun goofed. However, it's not like English doesn't tolerate unofficial derivations...
User avatar #279 to #278 - snakefire ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
That's true....
User avatar #241 - temporalguardian ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
I don't get it.
#253 to #241 - hugejuggernaut (02/22/2013) [-]
There are those in the United States who refrain from religious ideology and prefer to allow for a much more scientific or in depth cosmic rationality.  These people are called Atheists.  I am one of these people.  I and many other people do not believe the words "In God We Trust" are necessary and can incite unnecessary bickering that could be easily avoided by the removal of said words.   
   
Those who oppose this idea, often religious nut cases, fall back onto the argument that those words have always been on American currency, and thus a part of the American tradition.  Making the Atheist or non-Christian population of the United States and even more hated minority that obviously hates America and all that this nation stands for.    
   
The .gif is you.
There are those in the United States who refrain from religious ideology and prefer to allow for a much more scientific or in depth cosmic rationality. These people are called Atheists. I am one of these people. I and many other people do not believe the words "In God We Trust" are necessary and can incite unnecessary bickering that could be easily avoided by the removal of said words.

Those who oppose this idea, often religious nut cases, fall back onto the argument that those words have always been on American currency, and thus a part of the American tradition. Making the Atheist or non-Christian population of the United States and even more hated minority that obviously hates America and all that this nation stands for.

The .gif is you.
#310 to #253 - metalmind (02/22/2013) [-]
oh how right you are
User avatar #294 to #253 - temporalguardian ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
Ah okay. I'm also an Atheist I just didn't get the post.
#231 - drunkbarboy (02/22/2013) [-]
The founding fathers were in fact christian as pandation pointed out, the misconception i believe you have is the separation of church and state that was stressed in the development of this nation. They understood with a fearful respect of religion and the effects that it would have on the nation.
User avatar #243 to #231 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
"Fearful respect of religion"?...

You are aware that the first colonists, amongst other things, ran from religious persecution in England, right?!
#245 to #243 - drunkbarboy (02/22/2013) [-]
They ran from religious persecution from another religion (the church of England), by separating church and state the fathers believed that this problem could be prevented. What this also means that the protestant belief is very much en-grained into our society.
User avatar #248 to #245 - tkfourtwoone ONLINE (02/22/2013) [-]
Yet almost 90% of Americans are Catholic... I never got my head around how that is possible...
#249 to #248 - drunkbarboy (02/22/2013) [-]
Only about a quarter of the united states is catholic and this is because of immigration from other countries such as Mexico, Ireland, etc... But yes Catholicism is currently the largest religion within the U.S. and yet we have had only one catholic president, JFK.
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