Christian Responibility. .. I don't know, I've been a Christian all my life, and I've always been taught that every bad thing I do is indeed my own fault.
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User avatar #24 - Turtleboner (02/12/2013) [-]
It's funny because nobody actually thinks like that
#13 - tehjman (02/12/2013) [-]
I spent my entire youth growing up in the "church-on-every-street-corner" south and was very active in both the public-outreach community and church community all around my state, so I actually have a pretty solid experience base.

I don't know what kind of pansy-arse "Christians" this comic or godofcorndog is referring to (I'm sure they exist, like he said I've just never met any around where I exist) but whoever they are Christian must not mean what they think it means.

It was always taught/common religious belief around where I live that man has free-will and is personally accountable for the choice of his actions (Heck, the Garden of Eden is a prime example of this. Satan didn't MAKE Eve or Adam do anything, they chose of their own will to disobey)

And no, "tempt" doesn't mean "force to do." It means to tempt. You still have a choice in the matter. If there are people that actually people who think like this and live their lives as such, they deserve to be ridiculed. But Please do not lump them in with the rest of us, we don't want em either.
#33 to #13 - godofcorndog ONLINE (02/12/2013) [-]
I grew up in the same place, church on every corner southern community. And its not like I hear it -all the time-, its just I've heard it more than I feel I should.
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User avatar #116 to #13 - lmaopwnt (02/12/2013) [-]
The matter of "choice" in temptation is very arguable. If it was as free a choice as you make it sound, then temptation wouldn't exist. In some cases "tempt" may very well mean "forced to do", anyone who's ever been addicted to something knows this. Mainly because temptation isn't simply wanting to do something, it's wanting to do something so badly that your entire mindset is being turned to give in, and if this happens, all your morals, all your codes, and all your rules are overridden, and thus, don't mean a damn thing.
#120 to #116 - tehjman (02/13/2013) [-]
Well if someone's resolve/moral strength is so weak that they can't say no and instantly cave to anything , it sounds like a personal problem. You can have someone drop a $100 bill in the street and have people that won't instantly pick it up, but try and return it.   
   
Why? Because (among other variables) some people actually have self control and self-accountability and decide they're above that, and say no to greed.   
   
The argument you're making sounds more like a situation where a man holding a gun to a hostages head ends up saying "Why did you make me shoot him?? Huh??" when if/when he eventually shoots him.   
   
Seriously if you can't stand up for yourself and are just driven like a boat on the sea by every whim or desire don't try to blame the wind. It's you're own damn fault for not having an anchor/choosing to put one down.
Well if someone's resolve/moral strength is so weak that they can't say no and instantly cave to anything , it sounds like a personal problem. You can have someone drop a $100 bill in the street and have people that won't instantly pick it up, but try and return it.

Why? Because (among other variables) some people actually have self control and self-accountability and decide they're above that, and say no to greed.

The argument you're making sounds more like a situation where a man holding a gun to a hostages head ends up saying "Why did you make me shoot him?? Huh??" when if/when he eventually shoots him.

Seriously if you can't stand up for yourself and are just driven like a boat on the sea by every whim or desire don't try to blame the wind. It's you're own damn fault for not having an anchor/choosing to put one down.
User avatar #121 to #120 - lmaopwnt (02/13/2013) [-]
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself."
You obviously have a very, very single minded perspective of the matter.
#122 to #121 - tehjman (02/13/2013) [-]
Ah yes, your use of not one but two "very"s (and an Italicized one to boot) makes your condescending tone palpable.    
   
It's a little word called Resistance.   
   
So you call me single minded, and then turn around and pretty much tell me that "The only way (pretty narrow perspective) to get rid of temptation is to yield to it" So by your logic everyone should always give into whatever desire happens to flit across their consciousness? I just can't take that statement or state of mind seriously.   
   
In a civilized society as a civilized human being, there's aspects called empathy, conscience, integrity, responsibility, consequences to actions etc. Do you seriously have such a nihilistic view of life that you don't believe people can just say no? You've never met an ex smoker whose given up cigarettes? I find that extremely hard to believe.
Ah yes, your use of not one but two "very"s (and an Italicized one to boot) makes your condescending tone palpable.

It's a little word called Resistance.

So you call me single minded, and then turn around and pretty much tell me that "The only way (pretty narrow perspective) to get rid of temptation is to yield to it" So by your logic everyone should always give into whatever desire happens to flit across their consciousness? I just can't take that statement or state of mind seriously.

In a civilized society as a civilized human being, there's aspects called empathy, conscience, integrity, responsibility, consequences to actions etc. Do you seriously have such a nihilistic view of life that you don't believe people can just say no? You've never met an ex smoker whose given up cigarettes? I find that extremely hard to believe.
User avatar #124 to #122 - lmaopwnt (02/13/2013) [-]
One: Implying the quote states you HAVE to give into temptation, it says you only get rid of it by giving in, not that you have no say in the matter, I used the quote to emphasize that no one gives into temptation immediately like you think I'm saying.
Two: I said single minded perspective because that part seemed to whoosh right over your head.
Three: Being a quote, it's not exactly my logic, however I know what it means.
Four: Yes I know of all those aspects and just about every human being strives for them, me included.
Five: (this one is kind of important) Drop the superiority complex and pull the stick out your ass, I was looking for a good debate since I haven't had one in a while, you seem to be no less of a cunt than OP.
#125 to #124 - tehjman (02/13/2013) [-]
Protip: If you're looking to have a good debate with someone, don't break down and call them a cunt.   
   
One: Your quote is inescapably saying that the only way to rectify temptation is to give into it. Which is practically saying you have to give into it to get over it. Semantics.   
   
Two: Single minded =/= having a solid stance/position on an issue   
   
Three: Half true, but you wouldn't have used it if it hadn't had been in line with what you were trying to say.   
   
Four: I'm glad to hear that   
   
Five: I wasn't being superior, I was being honest. I'm honestly sorry if you've had some addiction or other hard-to-beat vice that you've kept falling into in the past and my statement(s) inadvertently insulted you. But I myself have dealt with aspects of addiction/things that you can't help but 'fall into'. And I overcame them with simple but honest drive and resolution, as many others have. If you repeatedly fail it's your own responsibility to get stronger and like I said, have self control.
Protip: If you're looking to have a good debate with someone, don't break down and call them a cunt.

One: Your quote is inescapably saying that the only way to rectify temptation is to give into it. Which is practically saying you have to give into it to get over it. Semantics.

Two: Single minded =/= having a solid stance/position on an issue

Three: Half true, but you wouldn't have used it if it hadn't had been in line with what you were trying to say.

Four: I'm glad to hear that

Five: I wasn't being superior, I was being honest. I'm honestly sorry if you've had some addiction or other hard-to-beat vice that you've kept falling into in the past and my statement(s) inadvertently insulted you. But I myself have dealt with aspects of addiction/things that you can't help but 'fall into'. And I overcame them with simple but honest drive and resolution, as many others have. If you repeatedly fail it's your own responsibility to get stronger and like I said, have self control.
User avatar #127 to #125 - lmaopwnt (02/13/2013) [-]
I didn't break down, I just hate people who think they're better than most other people. Take a good look at the gifs you've been posting and tell me that doesn't look like a hell of a superiority complex.
Also a good debate to me is sharing perspectives, not shoving them down my throat, up until now you made it seem like everything is easy and that integrity and the such are practically programmed into people. Some people weren't raised and taught those things like you were, striving for them and having them are different things. Can you imagine the difficulty of things when you've no concept of virtues until you reach 18? And then, turning it all around?
User avatar #15 to #13 - tehjman (02/12/2013) [-]
Er *people who actually think like this

Don't know why I have an extra 'people' in there.
#20 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account** (02/12/2013) [-]
I don't know, I've been a Christian all my life, and I've always been taught that every bad thing I do is indeed my own fault.
I don't know, I've been a Christian all my life, and I've always been taught that every bad thing I do is indeed my own fault.
#111 to #20 - anon (02/12/2013) [-]
A fellow Catholic!
User avatar #78 to #20 - arnoldbusk (02/12/2013) [-]
then what did jesus die for?

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User avatar #80 to #78 - danniegurl ONLINE (02/12/2013) [-]
to forgive our transgressions.
User avatar #82 to #80 - arnoldbusk (02/12/2013) [-]
If ssurtrebor's statement is true, he basically died for nothing then.
User avatar #85 to #82 - danniegurl ONLINE (02/12/2013) [-]
No, what you do is your fault.
However, Jesus died for our sins, so we wouldn't have to make sacrifices ourselves.
Before Jesus, they would offer up their best animal/ best of their crops to pay for their sins.
Yet the death of a man without sin was great enough of a sacrifice to make up for the sins of all others, so that they would not have to sacrifice their livelihoods anymore.
User avatar #87 to #85 - arnoldbusk (02/12/2013) [-]
So what keeps me back from committing sins then?
User avatar #88 to #87 - danniegurl ONLINE (02/12/2013) [-]
nothing really, except you want to live the best possible life you can so you don't feel as ashamed before god when you die.
User avatar #94 to #88 - arnoldbusk (02/12/2013) [-]
lmao
User avatar #112 to #87 - ssurtrebor **User deleted account** (02/12/2013) [-]
Nothing, really. But to sin your whole life and then, on your deathbed, ask for forgiveness for a "quick and easy" way into heaven, it won't work. You can't trick God.
User avatar #79 to #20 - danniegurl ONLINE (02/12/2013) [-]
exactly. in the bible, it talks about how the devil may try to influence you, but it's your decision to either resist or give into temptation.
#25 - jellybob (02/12/2013) [-]
It really is a shame that's how you see Christians in such an ignorant way op. Maybe if you would get out more and see that while many Christians will say "the devil TEMPTED ME" you will find precious few that claim they were "FORCED to do it." All this post does is show how ignorant some Atheists can be. Which is a shame, there is enough ignorance in the world without this kind of 			****		.   
   
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It really is a shame that's how you see Christians in such an ignorant way op. Maybe if you would get out more and see that while many Christians will say "the devil TEMPTED ME" you will find precious few that claim they were "FORCED to do it." All this post does is show how ignorant some Atheists can be. Which is a shame, there is enough ignorance in the world without this kind of **** .

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User avatar #26 to #25 - jellybob (02/12/2013) [-]
Just to clarify, I didn't say ALL Atheists are ignorant, or that atheism itself is an ignorant belief (or lack thereof).
#42 to #40 - drldrl (02/12/2013) [-]
I found it funny.
Why wouldn't you find zombie Jesus funny?
#43 to #42 - felixjarl (02/12/2013) [-]
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Does he eat brains?
User avatar #35 - itrinx (02/12/2013) [-]
I love your way of posting christianic related pictures like they were atheist's ennemies. Both are supposed to not give a **** about each other.
#27 - fuckyosixtyminutes (02/12/2013) [-]
> "Christians are so judgmental"

> "Christians have no sense of personal responsibility and blame everything on the Devil rather than on people"

Pick one, fags.
#58 - anon (02/12/2013) [-]
Not exactly true. Christians do believe that Jesus died for their sins, forgiving them of all int he process. However, their goal is to become Christ-like. Just acknowledging the fact and then continuing to live a sinful life isn't enough, it is a disregard to Jesus's sacrifice. Using the excuse on the right to excuse your sin won't land salvation. You must honestly strive for a sinless life, even if you do fall short. As for the excuse on the left, the Devil does tempt, however, it is still the individual's free choice to decide which course of action to take. They are still responsible for their wrongdoings. Any Christian you see making these excuses either aren't very good Christians, or maybe it is something specific to a particular denomination of Christianity that believes slightly differently. There are dozens of them it seems.
User avatar #83 - sketchysketchist (02/12/2013) [-]
Because this is what every christian believes and none of them can think for themselves and would murder somebody because it's okay since satan made them do it and jesus's death redeems all christians.
Meanwhile, atheists are completely responsible for their actions and are worthy of looking down upon people with different beliefs from them because they don't believe in anything and that makes them not bias in any way.
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User avatar #97 to #83 - nommonsterbaa (02/12/2013) [-]
'Because this is what every christian believes...' Well... I'm Christian, and I don't think this. If I make a mistake, it's my own damn fault. I know Christians that are total assholes, and I know Atheists that are some of the kindest people I know. So. Yup. Red thumbs now?
User avatar #98 to #97 - sketchysketchist (02/12/2013) [-]
You're not going to get red thumbs for stating your beliefs.
You're going to get red thumbs for not noticing I wasn't serious because my comment was hella stupid and obviously flawed and now you seem like someone who gets butt hurt real easily so you have to say "So. Yup. Red thumbs now" in hopes of protecting your ego from red thumbs that make you feel stupid.
User avatar #100 to #98 - nommonsterbaa (02/12/2013) [-]
So in the end, it's even more red thumbs, and more red thumbs is less people actually reading the comment, in most cases. So it is prevented from getting horrible if it gets enough red to be hidden. Also, sarcasm doesn't translate well over text. If your comment wasn't serious, then my apologies. I assume my -1 thumb is a gift from you?
User avatar #103 to #100 - sketchysketchist (02/12/2013) [-]
Well I wasn't being sarcastic, as I was being purposely stupid or satirical.
Though sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet, readers have to also be responsible when reading anything and figure that it's either sarcastic, satirical, trolling, or just someone really stupid that really believes this crap. That's why we're able to ask questions to come to our own conclusions rather than assume from the begining and getting mad or agreeing.
No need to apologize.
Nope, I didn't red thumb you at all.
User avatar #104 to #103 - nommonsterbaa (02/12/2013) [-]
Ah. M'kay. Well, scataloo, tally-ho.
#68 - anon (02/12/2013) [-]
Atheist-humor?? I'm an atheist myself and if you consider this humor then you should eat **** from a taco.
User avatar #41 - ShadeElement (02/12/2013) [-]
Although I might agree that, as a whole, Christians are a bit more guilty of avoiding moral responsibility, I don't think it is a distinctly Christian trait.
Rather a human trait.
For example-
American Conservatives are extremely Christian. Almost fanatical in their faith, really.
Our Liberals, on the other hand tend to be a bit more counter culture. Often being Anti-Christian for no other reason than to spite the Conservatives.

Yet it is the non-Christian, atheism loving Liberals who seem to struggle with the concept of Personal Accountability in America.
According to the Liberals, if you are poor it is a rich persons fault. If you are uneducated its the schools fault. And if someone commits murder, it was the gun's fault.

Everyone is guilty of it, really.
No one likes looking in the mirror and admitting the reason for everything ****** in their life is the person looking back at them.

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User avatar #52 to #41 - fosforgasxiii (02/12/2013) [-]
Did you know that most liberals are actually christian themelves?
Atheism is still a minority in the US.
User avatar #59 to #52 - jrondeau **User deleted account** (02/12/2013) [-]
He's referring specifically to the hardcore atheist-liberal minority among liberals though.
User avatar #60 to #52 - ShadeElement (02/12/2013) [-]
I am aware that most Americans identify themselves as Christian. I am also aware that the Liberal and Conservative definition of "Christian" varies greatly.
User avatar #49 to #41 - captfuckhead ONLINE (02/12/2013) [-]
you sir, are a modern-day prophet.
User avatar #109 - tomhefailin (02/12/2013) [-]
I'm really starting to hate this sites community.
#101 - anon (02/12/2013) [-]
Not even gonna bother reading the comments section.
User avatar #102 - oceanfrank (02/12/2013) [-]
LOL that's like me going

All Atheists: I did something bad, oh well it's not like I'm going to hell or heaven or anything.

That's how ignorant you sound
User avatar #123 to #102 - screwyouman (02/13/2013) [-]
I think that atheists would feel guilt, and would break down, but that's my opinion.
User avatar #126 to #123 - oceanfrank (02/13/2013) [-]
i was trying to make a point...
#107 to #102 - anon (02/12/2013) [-]
Confess your sins and repent, and God will forgive you.
Yep, sure sounds like him being ignorant.
#105 - herpaherp (02/12/2013) [-]
mfw comment section.
mfw comment section.
User avatar #76 - OsamaBinLadenz (02/12/2013) [-]
I don't think either side can really insult one another without a full understanding of the other side's beliefs...
User avatar #95 to #76 - mylazy (02/12/2013) [-]
Oh, I am sure they can insult the other quite well. I have seen it on multiple occasions. They can't form a coherent, rational, and useful argument without understanding the other sides view though.
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User avatar #65 - patrickmiller (02/12/2013) [-]
I don't completely understand the beliefs of this group of people... Now let me attack and ridicule those beliefs - Poster
#67 - elmoose **User deleted account** (02/12/2013) [-]
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#117 - anon (02/13/2013) [-]
>2013
>Not reading the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins and learning to respect peoples beliefs
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