"ok, so how do you know there is a god?". the response i get everytime.. How do I know? I don't, however the belief that there is has helped me a lot so far in life, and I am not going to stop believing because people tell me to.
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User avatar #282 - secretlywheatbread ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
Everyone's here talking about religion, and I'm sittin' here, laughing at this kid's face.
User avatar #290 to #282 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
haven't had a good religious debate in a while. This ****** like crack for me :D
User avatar #292 to #290 - gramernazi (12/25/2012) [-]
Haha, yeah. What's your stand in the argument?
User avatar #301 to #292 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
everyone should be allowed to do whatever the **** they want within the restrictions of law...

I mean, I'm an atheist. On the best day possible I might admit there could be an immoral G-d but that's all you'll get out of me. However, I won't allow people to mindlessly insult people JUST because they have faith. Having faith doesn't make you bad... Being bad makes you bad.

You can see my comments littered throughout the post xD
User avatar #302 to #301 - gramernazi (12/25/2012) [-]
Nice. Same here except Christian.
User avatar #303 to #302 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
benefits of going to a religious private school. You meet every shade of religion. From Anti-theist to bible thumper. Weee
#284 to #282 - itemmaaan (12/25/2012) [-]
Haha same here
#217 - crazyconka (12/25/2012) [-]
his face when kfc
#286 - copperoxideking (12/25/2012) [-]
how do you know the acids kicking in?
#293 - stlbecker (12/25/2012) [-]
"God does just enough to make it seem like he does nothing at all" -Futurama
#99 - merfmerf (12/25/2012) [-]
"What do you do when you poop?"
#143 - angrytoilet (12/25/2012) [-]
Ok, serious question for christians: What do you believe happens to hindus when they die? Imagine a hindu child raised in such culture, dies at the age of 10. He knew nothing of Christianity, but was a moral and faithful hindi. What happens to his soul?
Ok, serious question for christians: What do you believe happens to hindus when they die? Imagine a hindu child raised in such culture, dies at the age of 10. He knew nothing of Christianity, but was a moral and faithful hindi. What happens to his soul?
#149 to #143 - caras (12/25/2012) [-]
Religion belongs to the people god wouldn't make some one born that couldn't go to heaven.
User avatar #152 to #149 - angrytoilet (12/25/2012) [-]
But he doesn't follow the Christian God's doctrine because he has no idea it exists. He was still good, but ignorant. Is he still damned?
#163 to #152 - caras (12/25/2012) [-]
Who says its God's doctrine? People do. Want to know why the 7 days story was created? So slave owners would not work there slaves into the ground. And its absurd that Christians think they go to heaven because they are Christians. Jews think they go to heaven because they are jewish, Muslims think they go because they are muslim.
#170 to #163 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
******* ******** , no mother ****** gave one single **** about how slaves felt back then. You're dumb.
#203 to #170 - caras (12/25/2012) [-]
Actually the slaves where treated rather well and where aloud to own property.
#232 to #203 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
Where aloud to own property? They probably had a more intuitive grasp of their native language than you you illiterate **** .
#236 to #232 - caras (12/25/2012) [-]
You are way to edgy for me.
#207 to #203 - caras (12/25/2012) [-]
Then again it also varied from culture to culture.
User avatar #167 to #163 - angrytoilet (12/25/2012) [-]
So you're saying everyone goes to heaven? Or no one?
#192 to #143 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
Ask your local preacher bitch I'm not your mom.
User avatar #244 to #143 - thepyras (12/25/2012) [-]
Most Christians believe that children aren't accountable for their beliefs, and so instantly go to heaven.
#249 to #143 - powerfapping (12/25/2012) [-]
Well some Christians, at least Catholics, believe that God is the ultimate Judge of Souls. Technically we believe they were raised in a state of ignorance. While it does sound conceited to call other faiths "ignorant" we believe they aren't accountable for such a thing because they had no way to really come into a Christian faith. But like I said, God is the ultimate Judge. We can't be very sure ourselves.
User avatar #250 to #143 - chubberbrother (12/25/2012) [-]
I'm pretty sure that kids go to heaven no matter what. Or Purgatory for an extended period of time. Either way, unless that kid was a pretty ****** kid that killed some people he's in.
#285 to #143 - kingpongthedon (12/25/2012) [-]
According to Vatican II, which is the basis of Catholicism in the Modern Era, he goes to Heaven. Here's the logic behind it: A good person has good in their heart and the Trinity is the source of all goodness, therefore a good person has already accepted Jesus whether or not he is aware of it.

The only damnable offense is the active rejection of Jesus and His Teachings. (Side note: This does not even include atheists and agnostics, as they are just considered ignorant. Followers of other religions are said to have experienced God's love but are calling God by a different name, it's no worse than saying Dios) You have to accept Jesus as the Savior, Redeemer, etc. and still go out and blaspheme, which includes a whole lot of things, like murder, that laypeople typically wouldn't think of as blasphemy.

Source: Guy who spent too much time arguing religion with people who actually know religion.
User avatar #229 to #143 - snakefire (12/25/2012) [-]
I'm not one to say how god judges people.

thats where so many Christians go wrong in telling people what they think is going to happen to them
#94 - chayio (12/25/2012) [-]
#361 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
I really hate that nowadays, being atheist seems to mean 'hate on everybody that follows a religion/belief'. Almost everybody on fj that is an 'athiest' seems to hate other religions. I have no idea why, religious people can be extremely easy to get along with.

Just because you don't follow a religion doesn't mean that you have to be a prick to those who do.

If you have a legitimate reason to hate everybody in one religion, say it. Because I would love to hear it.
#373 to #361 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
i dont hate them i'm just extremely pissed to realize that everything the told me for the past 16 years was bull **** and they were to stupid to to question any of it

but i do find some religios people cool
#388 to #373 - thechosenchildsaid (12/25/2012) [-]
Yeah I only really realized I had 'lost' faith in my teen years, and by then I had performed my 'Confirmation', a Catholic sacrament which, when performed, basically means you has dedicated your life to the church. I was frustrated by this, because I felt like the last 14 years of my life was a waste of time and effort. I live in a republican town, so if you weren't a catholic growing up you'd be shunned, or even worse, so I really had no choice in what religion/belief I chose to follow until I was old enough to be able to defend myself and say ''I don't believe in this.''
I know it sounds like an exaggeration But I really feared that my family and/or friends would see me as lesser because I chose not to be a Catholic.
User avatar #376 to #373 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
but remember. They grew up their whole lives thinking the way you did for 16 years. Be happy you found the truth so young. I'd sooner pity them than hate them...
#383 to #376 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
i far from hate them i'm just angry that they never gave it a second look
User avatar #386 to #383 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
Where do you live? (not being a pedo, just wanna know if it's in the bible belt or something)
#404 to #386 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
tennessee
User avatar #408 to #404 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
So Tennessee is a pretty religious place, wouldn't you say? 3 decades ago, there was no internet. Maybe half a century ago, there was no definitive proof for evolution. These people lived their whole lives being taught creation as if it were true. Can you really fault them for not understanding that relatively new science has proven that wrong?
#366 to #361 - thechosenchildsaid (12/25/2012) [-]
Crap, forgot to login. Please reply to this for a debate/whatever.
User avatar #371 to #366 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
read all my comments and love me. Don't stop fighting the good fight. Being an atheist does not entitle you to be cruel :P
#379 to #371 - thechosenchildsaid (12/25/2012) [-]
Yeah this is what I think.

A lot of 'atheists' hate on religious people because they judge groups of people on certain things (or that's what I hear them argue about) and say that's wrong. But they, too judge people. Massive groups of people based on their religion and/or beliefs.

I stopped calling myself atheist long ago because now being an atheist on the internet seems to be a free pass to hate anyone that believes different ideas than you.
User avatar #384 to #379 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
Nah Nah. You're an atheist. Hateful atheists are anti-theists. It's not enough for you personally to not believe in God, you need to force others not to believe in God because for an anti-theist the mere existence of faith is a problem.

In my book they're as bad as extremist nut jobs. You can be as smart as you want, if you're going to use your intelligence to hurt people then you're no better than what you claim to be fighting.

Moderates. That's what everyone should be striving for. Moderates on all sides of faith.
#395 to #384 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
living in a world with no religion would be awsome. however stripping it away from belivers would be horrible and counter intuitive

it's best to just wait and let people natural start to realize the cold truth and not be assholes
#405 to #395 - thechosenchildsaid (12/25/2012) [-]
I always say to people who are religious and find out I don't follow a faith/belief, we'll get along fine as long as you don't bother me about my beliefs and try to force yours on me.

I don't have a problem with people being religious, in fact, it's nice that they have a deity to look up to and a haven to look forward to after death. I jut don't care whether or not they believe, because it doesn't affect me directly.

And then there's West Boro. That's just a great example of people who misinterpret religious messages and take things too far.

At the end of the day, pretty much all religions have the same message at heart - be kind to one another and help each other. Just sounds like common decency to me.
User avatar #401 to #395 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
Exactly. And if that perfect world can't be made, at least make a world where everyone is moderate in their beliefs. I mean, who cares if you believe in a God if you aren't going to kill them over it, right?
#411 to #401 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
yah but it's dissapionting how its basic human nature to hate whats different instead of embrace it or even confront it
#394 to #384 - thechosenchildsaid (12/25/2012) [-]
I see what you're saying, but I chose to outright say ''I'm not an atheist'' to people because applying labels to each other and judging one another on that is not a way to have a discussion, conversation or even an argument, especially if the argument starts due to the persons participating in it's beliefs.

I would urge you to watch a video on youtube by ''thebigthink'' where Niel DeGrasse Tyson talks about atheists and labels.

http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos
User avatar #403 to #394 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
well the trick is making your own personal label.

I'm a religiously schooled atheist who despite wishing their was a god cannot reconcile his existence with the theological and physical evidence that would either make him immoral or non-existent.

Don't go around saying I'm an atheist. Saying that is being too vague. Go around saying what you believe.
#410 to #403 - thechosenchildsaid (12/25/2012) [-]
Exactly. I would love to be religious, and have that sort of support and encouragement of some sort of reward after death to spur me on each day, but I have to rely on my morals and decency and responsibility as a human being to make sure I'm doing the right thing.

And in response to the last part of your comment, I do. I just hate it when people say 'So... you're an atheist?'', as if I have to be part of something, and can't have my own beliefs and ideas and be independent enough to say 'I am my own person.'
#378 to #371 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
you people can be just as cruel as well i walk around in school an have random people come up to me and say i'm glad your going to hell
User avatar #381 to #378 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
...I'm a moderate atheist... read my comments and love me :(
#382 to #361 - tacoiiimaniac (12/25/2012) [-]
I believe that the jews have destroyed our economy, so I hate them for it. Someday soon you will hear of my solution to this little problem.
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User avatar #45 to #44 - theugandanhero (12/24/2012) [-]
Would you mind refreshing my memory on what agnostic is?
User avatar #53 to #45 - applebucker (12/24/2012) [-]
Its when you don't claim to know. You aren't going to say there is or isn't a god until you have definitive proof either way.
User avatar #57 to #53 - guywithguitar (12/24/2012) [-]
I'm part Agnostic part Deist.
User avatar #59 to #57 - applebucker (12/24/2012) [-]
And I respect that.
User avatar #288 to #45 - pastelink (12/25/2012) [-]
Agnosticism and gnosticism are positions of knowledge. Whereas theism and atheism are positions of belief. They aren't mutually exclusive because belief is a subset of knowledge. This means that you can be an agnostic theist, agnostic atheist, gnostic theist, or gnostic atheist. If you believe there's a God then you're a theist, but if you don't then you're an atheist. Likewise, if you KNOW there either is or isn't a God, then you'd be Gnostic, though this is a pretty unreasonable position to take. If you don't KNOW whether or not there's a God then congratulations, you're Agnostic. So when someone asks you if you believe in God and you answer "I'm Agnostic." You aren't really answering the question. They asked what you believe, not what you know. Usually when people say they're agnostic, they are saying they are unconvinced, which by definition means that they are an atheist.
#61 to #44 - erooo (12/24/2012) [-]
Well agnostic is like saying "i dont wanna know" or "i have no urge to know" . Be atheist and support the people that wanna know.
User avatar #186 to #44 - awesomenessdefined (12/25/2012) [-]
Pick a side.
#102 to #44 - unholyjebus (12/25/2012) [-]
"Less stress. Less fights. More happiness.", sounds like Buddhism to me.
#305 to #44 - coolcalx (12/25/2012) [-]
agnostic atheist reporting in:

agnosticism and atheism are not separate ideologies, they must be interwoven.
#113 - mariasaturnina (12/25/2012) [-]
I know I'm not the only one thinking this kid looks high as hell.
I know I'm not the only one thinking this kid looks high as hell.
User avatar #2 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/24/2012) [-]
How do I know? I don't, however the belief that there is has helped me a lot so far in life, and I am not going to stop believing because people tell me to.
User avatar #161 to #2 - lasmamoe (12/25/2012) [-]
Stop making so much sense. I cant ignorantly bash you when you are being all smart.
User avatar #242 to #2 - uncalledforgiraffe (12/25/2012) [-]
You act like someone told you to stop believing.
User avatar #272 to #242 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
not really, just replying to OP's question... well, and others telling me I am wrong a lot of the time
#449 to #2 - anon (12/26/2012) [-]
Thats ******* stupid
I believe in something because im scared
Thats running away from the truth
Dont be a ******* Pussy
Be a man!
Accept the truth
User avatar #125 to #2 - jinjo (12/25/2012) [-]
thank you, I'm atheist, but I use this in defense of religious people.
User avatar #129 to #125 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
A lot of people on here are atheists, and though I do believe in religion, people do seem to hate me for it. I respect your belief, so why don't people respect mine?

Also, yay science! making cool stuff and learning more about the world... only wish I understood it a bit better then I do ^^; (crappy school for you)
User avatar #135 to #129 - jinjo (12/25/2012) [-]
religion can be good, too many 'atheists' use extremist ***** as the reason that it is bad.

If it works for you, great. But it doesn't give me anything, so while I respect your religion, I expect your respect for my non-religion.

Not eough people think like this.
User avatar #141 to #135 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
some obvious haters thumbing everyone down, so thumbing them all up... well except the haters. And you seem like a nice person that I could sit down and have a chat with. Have a merry christmas, or what ever holiday you celebrate (I cant spell them/remember them at the moment) and take care.
User avatar #146 to #141 - jinjo (12/25/2012) [-]
you too, I celebrate.. the superficial materialistic Christmas :P

erry Christmas to you too :)
User avatar #148 to #146 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
I think we all do these days, its less and less about Jesus, and more about getting gifts, and pretending that you enjoy what others get you :)
#3 to #2 - anon (12/24/2012) [-]
k... keep talking to an imaginary wizard in the sky.. trust me bro.. he exist...
User avatar #58 to #3 - silentscreams (12/24/2012) [-]
Why'd you have to be the asshole who couldn't just respect the guy's opinions and move on? Oh, silly me, this is the internet. No such decent ******* people exist.
User avatar #130 to #58 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
I dunno, you seem pretty decent :3
User avatar #4 to #3 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/24/2012) [-]
and YOU can keep believing that... what was it, 2 atoms in a space of nothingness collided and created the universe? Well even if its not your belief, keep believing in what you want, because that is called acceptance of others beliefs.
#5 to #4 - anon (12/24/2012) [-]
We don't know how the big bang started but substituting it for god is retarded. Oh and being a christian means you HAVE to follow the 10 commandments. I doubt you can even name 5.
User avatar #20 to #4 - semisane (12/24/2012) [-]
Nobody knows exactly how the universe started, but saying "god did it" doesn't answer anything, it just pushes the question back one level, because now you have to explain who created god.

And believing in something just because it makes you feel good rather than trying to figure out the truth is pretty childish.
User avatar #21 to #20 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/24/2012) [-]
I never said that I say 'god did it'. I believe that something did happen to cause all of this to happen, and whether it was just how the universe works, or if there is a god, I don't know, my original post just stated I believe in god as my family ave had some rough times and the belief has helped.
User avatar #27 to #21 - ilovehitler (12/24/2012) [-]
I hate how FJ seems so anti-religious. Nobody has proof of what created the universe, and if it was a god, the god could easily make it so we never find out.
Hold on to your beliefs, bro. They'll help you through life.
User avatar #29 to #27 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/24/2012) [-]
Thank you, someone who is accepting of it. It is rather sad that a lot of people seem to think that 'sharing views' is 'let me tell you what I believe, and why yours is wrong while you sit there and nod'. I listen to everyone's and improve what I believe in depending on what they say.

Plus if it weren't for my parents having religion, I wouldn't be as calm as I am these days :)
User avatar #7 to #4 - mcgeeassy (12/24/2012) [-]
Yeah use fj to guide your firestorm.
User avatar #178 to #2 - nogoodnameleft (12/25/2012) [-]
you started believing because people told you to.
User avatar #187 to #178 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
others dont believe because people tell them not to :P

sorry, not in the right mindset to do much, too much FUN TIME!
User avatar #106 to #2 - yojo (12/25/2012) [-]
I'm just wondering, how do you know that it is the belief that has helped you out so far in life?
User avatar #115 to #106 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
because where we would have lost hope, we think that there is a purpose for us all, god will protect us, and we have faith it will all get better. As they say, positive thinking helps you out a lot in life, and faith has helped
User avatar #120 to #115 - yojo (12/25/2012) [-]
I don't know man, I've come out of depression and my family came out of poverty without that belief. and how do you justify a kind-hearted God when there are so many innocent people who suffer for no reason? That's the main thought that stopped me from believing in the Christian God.
User avatar #123 to #120 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
who knows, maybe theres a god for each country, or he does nothing and its guardian angels? We just don't know, and while we live, we wont ever know. One must die and see it for themselves to finally know it all. But think of it this way, if you believe, and you are right, you get heaven, if you are wrong, you get nothingness. If you don't believe, and are right, there is nothingness, however if you are wrong, you get hell. just a bit more reason for me.
User avatar #131 to #123 - yojo (12/25/2012) [-]
Sure, but along with believing comes with choosing the right religion. There's so many of them, and I'd be taking as much of a risk choosing one over all the others. Plus I've come to the conclusion that humans created God, and not the other way around, so I can't just change my opinion about something. If you read the bible, you'll see how flawed it is and how often it contradicts itself.
I'll just stick to being a good person. And if I am wrong and there is a good God that chose to put life on this one floating rock in a vast universe, I'm sure he would have mercy.
User avatar #139 to #131 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
the thing with the bible is, anyone can rewrite it. People have all the time. If I hated "love thy neighbor", I could just remove it, and within time, people will stop believing that it was an original passage, and I could then add in "A coke a day will make you live forever" and that too will be believed... and I would hopefully be paid money from coca-cola. And with the stories, you try telling a friend a story, and I bet you that with every re-telling, it will have changed at least a bit, so a lot has been exaggerated.

In short, don't take it all seriously, find what you want to believe in, and believe in that. Yes, I was born and raised as a christian, but at the moment, I don't belong to any religion, mainly because some are too preachy or too strict. One of my aunts churches wont talk to her cause her sister has a different religion.

So yeah, believe in what you want, and have it the way you want it to be, because thats all that is important.
User avatar #142 to #139 - yojo (12/25/2012) [-]
Good talk
I like you lol
User avatar #144 to #142 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
It's fun to talk to people about religion... or anything at all really, just as long as they aren't "nope, you're wrong, I'm right, now shut up... no, shut up, I told you that you are wrong, and here are XX reasons why... but I will keep changing the reason behind my belief." It happens a lot in a lot of topics.

Kinda related, someone was saying Sonic games should be like the second bionicle movie, deep and meaningful, yet also like ratchet and clank, as in light and fun, meanwhile it is basically the same as the matrix, and shouldn't be like doctor who (tell me how they all relate, cause I seriously cannot) I tried being nice but I think he was just a troll in the end... especially saying that the fanfics he likes and writes are the actual story, and Segas ones are just crap and aren't considered canon.
#280 to #120 - dadukesta (12/25/2012) [-]
Watch Click and tell me Angels arn't sadistic ************* .
User avatar #281 to #280 - yojo (12/25/2012) [-]
I've watched click.
Also Legion. God damn
User avatar #432 to #2 - anthraxpotato (12/25/2012) [-]
have a thumb from an atheist
User avatar #433 to #432 - VincentKing ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
and have a thumb back :)
#254 - facadeon (12/25/2012) [-]
2 Kings 2:23-24   
God sends 2 bears to brutally murder 42 children...    
God did this, because these children called someone a "bald head".   
Now tell me, doesn't that sound a little 			******		 up?
2 Kings 2:23-24
God sends 2 bears to brutally murder 42 children...
God did this, because these children called someone a "bald head".
Now tell me, doesn't that sound a little ****** up?
#291 to #254 - gramernazi (12/25/2012) [-]
I believe in God and am Christian but those verses made me laugh so much.
User avatar #257 to #254 - dratyats (12/25/2012) [-]
its obvious god is bald, and extremely self conscious about it.
User avatar #258 to #254 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
to be fair... the bald guy was a prophet... don't **** with prophets... they got bears 'n ****
#91 - zkas (12/25/2012) [-]
Everyone has their reasons to believe in certain things, just as you have your reasons for not believing. In the end, why should you care?
User avatar #92 to #91 - stanislaw (12/25/2012) [-]
true dat
User avatar #134 to #91 - elmosays (12/25/2012) [-]
Amen brotha (get cuz ...ok ill shut up) but being an atheist doesn't mean to can't talk about religion. Some people like to learn about religion and talk about it the same way someone might talk about science or math
User avatar #375 to #91 - graphically (12/25/2012) [-]
What are you even talking about? That's not even what this post is about :|
User avatar #121 to #91 - baltman (12/25/2012) [-]
Well I don't but some people blow themselves up because of it.
User avatar #287 - gramernazi (12/25/2012) [-]
Guys, instead of arguing about whether God exists or not and trying to change someone's life long opinion, why don't we take this time on Christmas Eve as a united website to laugh at the kid's face in the picture?
#313 - xtremedeath (12/25/2012) [-]
when do you know that OP is faggot?
#398 to #313 - kingoflulzfool (12/25/2012) [-]
terrible phrasing , seems as though you Do "Feel" it
User avatar #11 - shashashadow (12/24/2012) [-]
how do you know you love your (insert title of favorite parental figure here)
User avatar #24 to #11 - ilovehitler (12/24/2012) [-]
With incest.
User avatar #52 to #24 - mydogizmexican (12/24/2012) [-]
Perfect answer..
User avatar #64 - silentscreams (12/24/2012) [-]
"keep talking to an imaginary wizard in the sky"
"If your arguments for what you believe in are functionally identical to arguments for the existence of Santa Claus, maybe you should rethink what you believe in. "
Most of the atheists on here remind me of those feminists who take matters to a whole new, ridiculous level. They are an extreme disgrace to other atheists, the ones who know what "respect" is. To the person whom the second quote belongs to, if you feel the need to win internet arguments about faith because you're trying to prove your own beliefs as right to every religious person you see, I think you need to rethink your lifestyle.
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User avatar #88 to #83 - silentscreams (12/25/2012) [-]
No, it doesn't offend me at all despite what my previous post might imply. I simply have gone by one too many religious-related posts where the comments are full of unintelligible remarks about someone's religious beliefs. I normally pass by them with a simple shaking of my head, but I'm all too frustrated today to keep bottling up my anger about ******** atheists on here who have no idea how to just shut the **** up and move on when someone just mentions the word "faith." I can deal with atheists who peacefully talk of logic, in fact, I love listening to other's opinions. The way people think and how it can be so different from others' fascinates me. I, however, don't approve of this ******** .
User avatar #276 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
"Why does it matter?"

And that's why I don't ask people about their personal beliefs if they aren't ******* about it -_-
User avatar #278 to #276 - noblexfenrir (12/25/2012) [-]
Because people that accept ignorance and base their decisions off of an outdated barely society related storybook are making decisions that affect you.
User avatar #283 to #278 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
who cares. It's their prerogative.

If they want to be ignorant, if they want to behave in an archaic manner, if they want to be bitter and hateful, that's THEIR prerogative. I don't need to be happy about it, but I'm not going to waste my time bitching about it because in a free country, you're free to be dumb too. If they want to influence decisions according to their misguided notions are they any worse than an atheist idiot who wants to influence decisions based off of what Snooki would do or something?

I mean, what are we even accomplishing? What's the goal here? Are we fooling ourselves into thinking we're convincing religious people to be rational? Or are we doing what they did in the middle ages (albeit to a far lesser degree) and bullying them into silence?

I have every right to disagree with someone's personal decisions. I have no right to force them to behave like me. Even if they do not wish to offer me the same thing. Even if they damn me to hell. Even if they believe I am a devilish monster, those are my morals and I will stand by them. They can do whatever the hell they want and I will not change because THAT IS THEIR PREROGATIVE...

/fin :|
User avatar #309 to #283 - noblexfenrir (12/25/2012) [-]
It's very simple, because everyone has the right to a belief but noone has the right to be ignorantly wrong. This is because they are telling others what to do and/or applying their flawed logic and reasoning towards their decisions that do affect others. They are allowed their opinion, you are correct, but that does not mean we should not tell them that they are wrong and why they are wrong. You don't let a student go on believing the force of gravity is 700 m/s^2 because that is idiotic.

So no we aren't bullying them, we aren't infringing on any rights, we are simply telling them "You are wrong, here is why. Any judgement you make will be based on how you get to the answer and as a result, and ignorant illogical pathway will be taken as an ignorant answer."
User avatar #334 to #309 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
everyone has the right to be ignorantly wrong. What kind of freedom does not allow you the freedom of ignorance? Don't claim you aren't ignorant of certain things.

Everyone has bias. Everyone tries to force their views on other people when they vote in representatives who make laws. That's life. Who are we do deny this right to people just because they are ignorant. If they stay within the confines of the legal system set up in our free country there is no fairness in censoring their free thought, speech, and expression.

You make it sound like we're chiding some child for mistaking multiplication for addition. Belief is something everyone holds dear to their hearts. Trying to prove to someone from the Bible Belt that G-d isn't real is an exercise in futility. Better we should teach them how better to express themselves rather than stoop to their levels of insults and hatred.

They have every right to be wrong. That student has every right to personally believe that gravity is 700m/s^2. He has every right to be wrong. The world will never believe he is right, but he is allowed to be wrong. You can tell him the other views, you can reason with him the proof behind the true value for gravity, but at the end of the day, he is entitled to his own beliefs.

Calling him stupid, insulting him, denying him this right IS bullying. Trying to force your understanding on others just because you're right can be as cruel as forcing ignorance on people. You need to understand that just because you're right doesn't mean you can force others who are wrong to be silent.
User avatar #435 to #334 - noblexfenrir (12/25/2012) [-]
(post 1)

"everyone has the right to be ignorantly wrong. What kind of freedom does not allow you the freedom of ignorance? Don't claim you aren't ignorant of certain things. "

I'm sorry, it's my fault for bad wording, I am usually very careful in how I phrase my arguments but I see where I faulted here. Someone does not have the right to be "willfully" accepting of ignorance and to ignore reality. Now I'm not saying someone cannot be ignorant, they have every possibility to. The problem arises when we as a society accept and just let someone be without correcting them. Here is an analogy:

"_ it's like a child on the playground who believes eating glue is healthy for you and is showing all the other kids to do it. You don't ignore that.

So let us add to the situation, alright lets turn this playground into a small society, eating glue has become someone everyone has accepted as beneficial. Now they also begin voting that everyone should have to, since the majority believes it is best then they will vote for the affirmative. Now, you are forced to eat glue and if you don't you are sent to prison. Medical evidence clearly shows that glue is not good for you and the whole idea of it being beneficial is false, but they are so powerful now they can claim that this is only a theory and they are right because they have faith in the benefits of glue.

All of this could have been prevented if you didn't ignore it in the beginning and explained to people what was going on._"


"Everyone has bias. Everyone tries to force their views on other people when they vote in representatives who make laws. That's life. Who are we do deny this right to people just because they are ignorant. If they stay within the confines of the legal system set up in our free country there is no fairness in censoring their free thought, speech, and expression. "

Noone is being censored, just simply corrected. This happens in our legal system as well (continues)
User avatar #436 to #435 - noblexfenrir (12/25/2012) [-]
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constantly due to the ever changing nature of opinion when making laws and making decisions. What I am saying though is, while someone has every right to have their opinion, you do not simply let them be gung ho with it. Religion specifically makes determinations of reality in it's claims, which involves science, if these can be disproved then you have to express this otherwise just letting someone relay this information with no constraints can be disastrous. A teacher in a school is teaching kids that DNA doesn't really exist and has been a lie perpetrated by scientists to help the devil, should he be allowed to teach this to children?

"You make it sound like we're chiding some child for mistaking multiplication for addition. Belief is something everyone holds dear to their hearts. Trying to prove to someone from the Bible Belt that G-d isn't real is an exercise in futility. Better we should teach them how better to express themselves rather than stoop to their levels of insults and hatred. "

You are saying to adjust to a faulty belief instead of just telling them they are wrong. I would rather tell someone the loch ness monster does not exist rather than sit by their side and tell them the thing in the picture "might" be nessy. Besides, telling them to better express their belief in reality is fruitless because that would just eventually lead to telling them to get evidence, which if they cannot find we would eventually reach the problem of telling them they are wrong again.

"They have every right to be wrong. That student has every right to personally believe that gravity is 700m/s^2. He has every right to be wrong. The world will never believe he is right, but he is allowed to be wrong. You can tell him the other views, you can reason with him the proof behind the true value for gravity, but at the end of the day, he is entitled to his own beliefs. "

My point was, if you were his teacher would you correct him or just tell him good luck?
User avatar #437 to #436 - noblexfenrir (12/25/2012) [-]
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"Calling him stupid, insulting him, denying him this right IS bullying. Trying to force your understanding on others just because you're right can be as cruel as forcing ignorance on people. You need to understand that just because you're right doesn't mean you can force others who are wrong to be silent."

No I am telling him he is wrong, there is a difference. I am not insulting him, nor denying him his rights, just simply explaining to him why he is wrong.

You are not understanding me, I don't want them to be silent, I don't even want them to have the same view as me, I do however was them to realize when they are being ignorant and when they are accepting ignorance as evidence which is faulty logic. I have no problem what determinations someone wants to make on reality, as long as it can be supported through evidential and skeptical means. This is a progressive stance, not a hindered one.
#441 to #437 - anon (12/25/2012) [-]
Mr. noblexfenrir

You're a hero sir, and a king among men.


Religion is holding humanity back and keeping people dumb. Muslims are trying to force their religion upon my home country in Europe and a civil war is not far away. They want to force their primitive ways upon the world. But you sir, are well spoken and you could be the spokesman of Atheists everywhere. I support you sir, you are making the world better and showing people they're wrong and why in a polite way.

Keep up the good work, the world needs more people like you, putting their time and effort to inform people.

My sincere apologies if my grammar or spelling are terrible, English is not my first language.
#352 to #334 - xxxdemongirl (12/25/2012) [-]
You are intelligent yet thoughtful of others at the same time. Thumbs for you.
User avatar #363 to #352 - Sethorein ONLINE (12/25/2012) [-]
I do what I can...
#265 - kloopy (12/25/2012) [-]
**kloopy rolled a random image posted in comment #141 at Annoying Kids ** mfw i feel god
User avatar #267 to #265 - tammus (12/25/2012) [-]
nice
User avatar #198 - thegingermancan (12/25/2012) [-]
stop talking to crack babies about religion
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