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#15 - bangala
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#16 to #15 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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I'm being specific to christianity for the sake of this argument
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#22 to #20 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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2 things....

1. Weren't you on the front page today?
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2. That's true... I wouldn't ant everything to always be happy... I don't like things that way... That's one thing I have against going to heaven... if it's supposed to be "eternal happyness" then that sounds horible because IMO we need suffering to appreciate true happiness
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#24 to #23 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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Why not just die? Live a happy life then die... it sounds good to me... like the end of a good book... it would be a pretty sucky book if it went on forever don't you think? A satisfying end is better than a neverending end.
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#4 - nunubot
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There are several problems with your question(s):

1. You use the word "God". Did you know there are hundreds of different religions and thousands of different gods?

2. You posting it under the "atheism" channel. You're (most likely) going to get an unbiased answer or an uneducated. I'm not saying atheists are uneducated but you might want to ask someone who is currently religious as they probably (should) know more about their religion.

3. Religion is pretty much faith in the unknown. You can never really know what (a) God thinking or the reasoning behind said thoughts. Image is relevant.

TL;DR: Who gives a ****.
#7 to #4 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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I'm being specific to christianity right now.... I forgot to post that in here but it's in the other posts I did.

I don't think there is a religion channel is there? This is meant to be directed at Christians so....

Most people will say that they know god or they know Jesus or some **** like that so I want to see if that's true

TL;DR... What am I doing with my life?
#27 to #4 - hadfap
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He actually posted that correctly because he is the only christian god, so it gets the capital g while other religions just spell it with a lower case g
#28 to #4 - teranin ONLINE
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Ok so nunubot, I feel like you should probably be told this by someone, but did you know that many atheists become atheists when they actually bother to read the bible? In fact, the vast VAST majority of christians have not read the bible. I do agree however that he might not get an answer that would have the context of the currently indoctrinated.
#30 to #28 - nunubot
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"many"? What kind of numbers are we talking about, where's your data? I find your first claim highly unlikely (depending of what you mean by many).

(Off topic, but something to consider:)

In any case, there are many forms of Christianity. Protestants believe that the bible is the highest authority whereas Roman Catholics believe that the Pope and the church are the highest authority. Furthermore, there are many edits and translations of the bible.
#32 to #30 - teranin ONLINE
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whoops, that didn't really answer the issue you had though. I can only make that claim based on personal experience with christians that lack bible knowledge and atheists who tell me that the bible convinced them to become atheists. I have no physical evidence to support that view, so you should definitely take it as my opinion and not necessarily fact.
#31 to #30 - teranin ONLINE
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Sorry, you're right, I should have posted some evidence to back that claim. Granted, this evidence is somewhat subjective, and more would be required I'm sure for you to fully accept it, but my personal experience is supported with this study recently done.

http://www.pewforum.org/U-S-Religious-Knowledge-Survey.aspx
#3 - satanisthesavior
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I'm gonna try to answer these, as I did consider myself christian for a good chunk of my life (not anymore though):

#5: It has to do with humanity being sinful. As in, every single person, both those who live now, who lived in the past and who will live in the future. Human nature is considered sinful.
#4: I believe it was so that we could see the torment of someone dying for our sins. The floods and stuff were to show people what happened to sinners, but that apparently wasn't enough so we had to see someone suffer. Or something. I'm not really sure on that one myself, and I've yet to hear anyone explain it.
#3: The bible is not meant to be taken literally. Most christians will tell you so. The stories are just that: Stories. They serve to teach morals, not to give an accurate depiction of history.
#2: I cannot answer this. I do not know the bible that well.
#1: Again, the bible is just stories. It's fiction. Some of it is ripped off. I believe Jesus was a real person who did incredible things, but I do not believe he was the son of god, nor was he capable of impossible things (like turning water into wine).

Those are my answers, based on my (admittedly limited) knowledge of christian faith.
#5 to #3 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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That username makes me laugh considering the topic at hand hahahahaha xD

Lets focus on the #5 for now... But if God created humanity as perfect and then only a select few of us sinned why are the rest punished? why does that change the fact that we were yet to be born so therefore still considered perfect?
#6 to #5 - satanisthesavior
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Humanity became sinful after Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (damn that's a mouthful).

So basically, god created us as perfect then we became sinful. After that point with Adam and Eve, every human was sinful due simply to our nature. That is the explanation. Our human nature, which is present in everyone, is what makes us sinful.
#8 to #6 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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Well then where the **** is the morality in that???

It's like saying... Germany killed millions of Jews... you're German, it's your nationality you should be punished
#9 to #8 - satanisthesavior
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I know, it makes no ******* sense. Why do you think I'm not christian anymore?
#10 to #9 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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Exactly hahahaha... I just want to see some Christians' answers.
#11 to #10 - satanisthesavior
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Well, those are the answers you're looking for, as far as my limited knowledge of christianity allows...
#12 to #11 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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I refuted all of them in the other posts... They don't hold up under scrutiny lol
#13 to #12 - satanisthesavior
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No, they do not. Again, this is why I'm no longer a christian.
#48 - anon
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Its not so much a question of paying for our ancestor's sins, but for original sin inherent in us. Before Adam and Eve ate of the apple, they had no knowledge of good or evil, so they could not knowingly violate laws of morality. After they ate of the apple, them and all of their descendants were tainted with original sin due to human nature. Its mainly saying that human nature, although good at its core, is inherently flawed. In order to purge ourselves of these flaws, we need salvation through Jesus Christ. (Not necessarily my beliefs, just 7 years of sunday school and confirmation)
#38 - sanguinesolitude
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#36 - anon
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U little smartass... I couldn't let this one pass.

There is absolutely nothing immoral about us paying for the sins of our ancestors. Just like you can inherit wealth, you can inherit debt.

As a comparison to something more mundane, think of slavery in the USA. Black slaves provided a huge amount of wealth unfairly to white people in the past. Nowadays, black ppl are not slaves, but they're still screwed bc of their past. Bc the ancestors of whites are the ones who caused this, it is absolutely fair and moral that white ppl help blacks out of it. Thus, the ancestors of whites sinned against the ancestors of blacks, and modern whites are paying that debt in the present. Happy?



#37 to #36 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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No i'm not happy about that because according to christians God is God.... how can you compare him to humans in one way but not in others? It's a one way road you either compare god in every aspect to humans or in no aspect to humans.

Also when do you inherit debt? I had no clue you could inherit debt.
#42 to #37 - anon
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Im back.... You don't always inherit debt, but it freakin happens, and a lot. Look it up and beware.

When you compare God to humans, it's generally to explain one aspect of His personality/character/etc, just like with most comparisons. i.e.: you use ping pong balls to explain electrons, but electrons aren't that much like pingpong balls... don't be so narrow-minded.

How am I not comparing God to humans?

More importantly, what sins exactly are you referring to? Like I said before, some sins from the past simply affect you, just like slavery in the past affects modern USA. However, some others don't. i.e.: arrowhead's example extended to the 3rd generation.
#45 to #42 - hitro
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Grandma: Dont eat those cookies in the cookie jar Mary.

Mary: Okay grandma.

Grandma knows that mary will eat cookie regardless, Mary eats cookie.

Grandma: I AM STOPPING YOU AND ALL YOUR CHILDREN FROM INHERITING ANYTHING FROM ME AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR LIFE AND THEIR LIFE IS IN ETERNAL PAIN AND SUFFERING!

God logic.
#39 to #36 - splinterr
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Aha you're so dumb... Money is a physical object thus allowing it to be inherited.. Where you're ansestors doing isnt...
#40 to #36 - arrowhead
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That's like saying if your father killed someone and then killed himself, it would not be immoral to charge you for the crime and have you serve life in prison for it. Even though your father committed the crime and you had absolutely no part in it.
#43 to #40 - anon
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That's the kind of debt you don't inherit. I said you can inherit debt, but it's not always what happens.
Still, considering that everything that's good in your life is partly bc of some good decisions of your father, we could consider that you are part of his contribution to the world. Then, wouldn't it be fair if you at least helped the family of the victim with the burial or something? That death is something that will cost money, blood, sweat and tears, and it would be pretty unfair if the family of the victim had to pay for all of that, wouldn't it?
#41 to #36 - anon
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Except white people don't really help black people out. In fact there are studies that show were less likely to help someone who's not the same skin color as us. The idea of being able to inherit debt is honestly sickening to me. I'm pretty sure that rule was only applied when slavery was around, and was for the purpose of making more slaves.
#47 to #36 - anon
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no idiot
#29 - KungFuZerO
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The church needed a way to make the lower class feel guilty and continue to pay their tithe. Simple as that.
#33 to #29 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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Dude I want christian theological/philosophical answers. I have my own philosophies as to why these stories exist.
#34 to #33 - KungFuZerO
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oh sorry. appropriate username though.
#35 to #34 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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Yeah man no problem hahhaha... I'm not trying to get people butthurt here... I want some legit answers haha
#26 - puggles
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not a christian, but the way it was explained to me was that you can't make something perfect from something imperfect, kind of like trying to make a perfectly shaped cake from a dented cake pan (not joking, the person really explained it to me that way), so after adam and eve sinned they lost perfection and therefore couldn't pass it on to their kids. but since god is, by their definition is omnipotent, you'd think he'd be able bang out the dents in humans' genetic/spiritual cake pan.
#46 to #26 - hitro
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Only problem with that is that Jesus's mother mary was without sin, which allowed god to conceive jesus ( or something close to that)

But mary's mom wasnt perfect so ?
#14 - anon
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Still at work, but figured I'd pop on for a quick answer. Feel free to PM me btw (You know who I am haha)

We are each punished for out own sins. Provided Adam and Eve hadn't sinned, we would be perfect. Our natural inclination would be to do what's right rather than wrong. But, alas, we're imperfect. Imperfect humans with imperfect tendencies.

Even if we truly try our hardest, we're bound to sin. It's just our nature.

I see what you're saying about us suffering imperfection due to our ancestors though.Here's the best way I can think to put it. If you have a cake pan, and you drop it and put a dent in it, it's impossible to make a cake WITHOUT having that dent in it now. Unfortunately, we inherited our ultimate ancestors imperfection. Referring back to your previous question in #4, thanks to Jesus sacrifice, we're given the opportunity to be forgiven for our sins and imperfection and be in favor with god, eventually earning our reward.
#17 to #14 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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You have some damn good metaphors hahaha.... But still if God is absolute then what's stopping him from "taking out that dent".... or why did he have to place that rule in the first place... I find THAT decision to be an immoral one....

And when will we get the "Reward" for "Jesus'" "sacrifice" ?? is the reward going to heaven? Because I have a philosophical reply to that one.
#19 to #17 - anon
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The "dent" is imperfection itself. Removing it would be tantamount to what we talked about before to just removing sin and death and going back on his own will.

As far as the reward, again, my beliefs are different than most Christians. Feel free to PM me for that one.
#21 to #19 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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Yeah no probs bro... lets see what other people think.
#1 - likeallthecomments
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considering that you are an athiest, that question has no meaning as you dont believe in a god.
#2 to #1 - thelordofbutthurt [OP]
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Questions I'm asking Christian people.. I'm not saying I believe it .. I'm saying I want them to answer it.
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