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User avatar #8 - lordlucifer ONLINE (04/02/2013) [-]
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
#29 to #8 - trickytrickster (04/03/2013) [-]
God created us to do good. Evil is simply the absence of good. They have the capacity to do good but reject it. Just as cold does not actually exist, it is simply the absence of heat. We are given free will, so it is our own choice to take the gifts we are given and use them for good, or to use them for evil.
User avatar #45 to #29 - lordlucifer ONLINE (04/03/2013) [-]
Evil is the absence of good , so if nothing exists everything is evil , riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
User avatar #41 to #29 - myrtille (04/03/2013) [-]
And it goes right over your head.
#49 to #41 - trickytrickster (04/03/2013) [-]
It doesn't go right over my head at all. Why does a reasoning that you disagree with have to mean that I don't understand what you are saying? God can prevent evil, and has before, but has also given us free will. If we use that free will for evil, that is our choice. He sent Jesus down to die on the cross so our sins could be forgiven, so that sort of rules out the "not willing" part.

Of course you don't give two ***** about it because it's religious reasoning so you just call it stupid nonsense. It's okay, I understand. I still hope you have a nice day.
User avatar #50 to #49 - myrtille (04/03/2013) [-]
No. If he is WILLING and able, then where did evil even start?
#53 to #50 - trickytrickster (04/03/2013) [-]
Evil started because humans rejected God's will and accepted original sin. I'm not saying there was actually an Adam and Eve, but it is basically that story. He created us with the capacity to love and be good. It is our choice whether we do that or not. That's why I brought up the hot and cold thing, or light and dark. It starts to become philosophical, and that is not my expertise. My expertise is science and biology. Just my two cents.
User avatar #54 to #53 - myrtille (04/03/2013) [-]
If God was REALLY willing and able, then evil wouldn't exist at all.
#61 to #54 - trickytrickster (04/03/2013) [-]
Then what is the point of life? Why would we be created in the first place? How would we earn a place in heaven? If you are given a talent and choose not to use it, is that God's fault or your own?
User avatar #62 to #61 - myrtille (04/03/2013) [-]
It's a bad thing for everybody to get into heaven?
#63 to #62 - trickytrickster (04/03/2013) [-]
No that would be a great thing, but there would be no purpose of life. God gets this rap as this loving God, which is he, but he is also an all just God. People don't just get a free pass. That is why there is hell. You have to earn the right to heaven. If you reject God's love, then you reject heaven. I'm not saying you have to be Catholic/Protestant/Muslim etc to accept God's love, but in premise you have to accept it, whether you know you are or not.
User avatar #64 to #63 - myrtille (04/03/2013) [-]
If there was no evil, there would be no hell, therefore everybody gets into Heaven, and everybody would deserve it, because they were all good. We're talking about a hypothetical God here. The point is that the quote effectively cancels out all reasons for believing that there is a God, and you missed that point.
#70 to #64 - trickytrickster (04/03/2013) [-]
Also, God does not rule out all evil because sometimes evil in the end is good. Jesus being crucified was evil, but in the end it was good. Getting sick can be evil, but it can bring about many good things. God also stops a lot of evil, he builds us up with abilities that battle evil tendencies.
#69 to #64 - trickytrickster (04/03/2013) [-]
I did not miss that point. I find the quote to be untrue. If this quote so easily canceled out God, then a lot of very smart people are actually really dumb. Hypothetical gods can fail this test, but a specific God will well thought out attributes and thousands of years of apologetics can. God gave us free will and we can chose to deny good. He did not create evil. That free will can be used to do great things.

I understand you do not believe in God, but don't be so naive as to think one simple quote can prove God does not exist. It is not so simple. Smarter men than you or I have deduced this over thousands of years, and have come to various different conclusions. I've taken a class on this and I understand your viewpoint, I really do. I just disagree with it. Do not take my disagreement as proof that I am somehow missing the point. I've been on the internet for a while now, you think I've never seen this quote?
#15 to #8 - lightninghorse (04/02/2013) [-]
i have a background that says that
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