Deep atheist. Serious pic one. Is God willing to prevent evil, but able? Then he is omnipotent. He is able, but willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able
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Serious pic one

Is God willing to prevent evil, but able?
Then he is omnipotent.
He is able, but willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he able willing?
Epicurus
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User avatar #153 - mrhaydnn (02/04/2013) [-]
God would be denying me my freewill if he stopped me from doing any 'evil' actions.
User avatar #154 to #153 - mehmachine (02/06/2013) [-]
God never intended humans to have free will
User avatar #158 to #154 - mrhaydnn (05/19/2013) [-]
incorrect, he gave adam and eve free will, the only rule they had was to not eat from a certain tree, which of course they did, even if you punished for doing something, it doesn't mean that you don't have the 'freedom' to do it.
#145 - dementedllama (02/03/2013) [-]
I'm not religious, but trying to judge an all-powerful being by a human's standards of morality is incredibly bass-ackwards. If something is powerful enough to create matter and the entire universe, it is beyond human understanding and can do whatever the hell it wants to said creation.

Anybody with a brain can see you're just trying to start a fight, either to prove to yourself that you believe the right thing or perhaps just for the attention and arguing for the sake of arguing. You don't even argue, you just respond to every post you don't like with captioned anime pictures, completely avoiding having to rationally explain your true belief. And as an "Atheist", why are you trying so damn hard to piss off the followers of a god you don't even believe exists? Insecure, much?
User avatar #139 - shashashadow (02/03/2013) [-]
how I've always understood it, God could take away all the evil in the world, by taking away our free will.
User avatar #141 to #139 - prettyflyforaderp (02/03/2013) [-]
thats to far and over-thinking it
User avatar #142 to #141 - shashashadow (02/03/2013) [-]
really?
User avatar #144 to #142 - prettyflyforaderp (02/03/2013) [-]
yea. i mean taking away are free will wont be involved with getting rid of natural disasters.
User avatar #146 to #144 - shashashadow (02/03/2013) [-]
okay, A) not entirely sure where you're getting disasters from a post talking about ridding the world of evil.

B) think of how over populated the world is today, now think of how over populated the world would be if people weren't constantly dyeing of disease, it would be kind of like the whole world had a population density similar to that of New York City, now imagine how miserable that would be.
User avatar #147 to #146 - prettyflyforaderp (02/03/2013) [-]
i meant bad disasters that people say is "gods wrath" and yea i know but we still kill each other religion
User avatar #136 to #135 - somenerd (02/03/2013) [-]
Source is standoffish. Just search for it on youtube.
#134 - chaosspawn (02/03/2013) [-]
ONLY A SITH DEALS IN ABSOLUTES
JEDIS ARE TOO SMRT TO SAY THAT
JESUS WAS AGNOSTIC?
User avatar #128 - spaceballer (02/03/2013) [-]
im sorry what is the devil?
#123 - ximpossibrux (02/03/2013) [-]
Funnyjunk has made me hate atheists more then religious people.    
   
HEY I'M AN ATHEIST, HEY EVERYONE I'M AN ATHEIST ARGUE WITH ME
Funnyjunk has made me hate atheists more then religious people.

HEY I'M AN ATHEIST, HEY EVERYONE I'M AN ATHEIST ARGUE WITH ME
#129 to #123 - anonymous (02/03/2013) [-]
that's what christians do to us for 2000 years
#137 to #129 - chaosspawn (02/03/2013) [-]
u want a ring smeagol?
User avatar #122 - danielsky ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
Preacher: God know's your fate since you were born!

What I thought must have gone through God's head when he made the first humans

God: Hmm I am going to make these people; then tempt them, even though I know they're going to disobey me, so I can punish them with a reason.

I'm not atheist, nor christian, can't we just say we don't have the power to know what truly happened instead of arguing that we are right?

User avatar #143 to #125 - commanderbunbun (02/03/2013) [-]
god damn it. i have to do anything tara strong says. whether she bed bubbles, twilight sparkle or the little red head bitch from the "foster home for imaginary friends" pilot.



yeah, it was her. go look it up.
User avatar #126 to #125 - danielsky ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
Yes Mr.brony, I agree with you.
User avatar #119 - demjimmies (02/03/2013) [-]
Huzzah for more atheist posts.

This is why people think you're ********
User avatar #155 to #119 - militarybus (03/03/2013) [-]
**** like this is why most atheists think you guy are a bunch of bible belt inbreeds.
User avatar #111 - adambubba (02/03/2013) [-]
**** all this atheist **** goddamnit get off funnyjunk
#115 to #112 - anonymous (02/03/2013) [-]
its just pathetic after the 5th one...
#102 - anonymous (02/03/2013) [-]
He's able. He won't help us, because he loves us. That's why he gives us our freedom. He'd be taking it away if we intervened. Through us he lives, so by us begging and pleading for people to love God and our lord, Christ, we help ourselves by giving them entrance into heaven. That's why silence hurts, kids.
#110 to #102 - vexaton ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
Mfw I love sucking gods cock, just like anon here
#105 to #102 - scrax (02/03/2013) [-]
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User avatar #86 - frysfrys (02/03/2013) [-]
I don't believe in God. And I'm not Atheist. So what am I?
User avatar #108 to #86 - mechaemperor (02/03/2013) [-]
Actually, you are an atheist.
User avatar #87 to #86 - prettyflyforaderp (02/03/2013) [-]
agnostic
User avatar #130 to #87 - spaceballer (02/03/2013) [-]
agnostic means you believe in a greater being jst you dont know which one
User avatar #131 to #130 - prettyflyforaderp (02/03/2013) [-]
it means you could go either way
User avatar #132 to #131 - spaceballer (02/03/2013) [-]
try looking it up
User avatar #133 to #132 - prettyflyforaderp (02/03/2013) [-]
no need.
Agnostic means you believe in a god you just question it
User avatar #90 to #87 - frysfrys (02/03/2013) [-]
I was actually being rhetorical. Why does atheism even exist? Why can't I believe in nothing and not be labeled?
User avatar #156 to #90 - militarybus (03/03/2013) [-]
it's so they have somthing to put on your tombstone
User avatar #124 to #90 - elmosays (02/03/2013) [-]
i'm not exactly sure but maybe it has to do with religion. if no religion existed then people would just be people. I hope you understand what i'm trying to get at.
#113 to #90 - anonymous (02/03/2013) [-]
anon agrees with the other two replies. Do you really want to explain that you're a not-believing-in-God person every time you want to express that thought? Not-believing-there-is-a-God-ness would exist whether or not we labeled it, so we just call it atheism so conversations are easier.
#97 to #90 - anonymous (02/03/2013) [-]
because the purpose of language is to allow communication, and the easiest way to do this is by labeling things so they can be easily referenced without long-winded explanations?
User avatar #93 to #90 - prettyflyforaderp (02/03/2013) [-]
because without labels we would go insane
#79 - blackandwhitegod (02/03/2013) [-]
ULTIMATE REPOST! WOO. Way to be a **** and repost an image as old as the internet itself with a different background.

Epicurus didn't even say that **** and anyone who thinks he did should hang themselves for over all dick ******* and shortsightedness
User avatar #88 to #79 - prettyflyforaderp (02/03/2013) [-]
sup you must be new. you see the internet is a large source if info and an pictures.
so when somone reposts a picture its the recollected image of somthing coming back
User avatar #74 - beasert (02/02/2013) [-]
I'll try to answer as best I can;
God is able to intervene, but evil is a choice. He can help guide people to good, but since we have the gift of free will, He will not force people to make the choice He wants out of love.
#114 to #74 - anonymous (02/03/2013) [-]
I think most people understand that suffering caused by man is because people can be dicks sometimes, and that's not God's fault.

But a lot of un-religious people cannot reconcile suffering caused by things beyond our control, like earthquakes and tornadoes and tsunamis. Unless God preserves the weather's right to free will also, I can't understand why He wouldn't stop it from ******* up thousands of people's lives.
User avatar #150 to #114 - beasert (02/03/2013) [-]
But nature doesn't have free will. Your examples of weather are like an ongoing equation following strict laws of reality. Floods, earthquakes and lightning are dramatic but minor events in the big picture of the world. A light rain that brings life to one area can grow into a destructive hurricane later on, but it is merely running its course.
I heard it described as God following the rules He made. The movie 'Bruce Almighty' actually paints a basic picture of what would happen if nature was messed around with; harmless in appearance at first, but causes a lot of problems as everything else has to try and cope with the sudden change in flow. Maybe He can manipulate minor events, who knows, but at large it's probably less destructive if He just keeps his hands out of things.
User avatar #77 to #74 - fxremastered (02/03/2013) [-]
I'm not religious but I'm not against it so please don't quote me on this but didn't god not want to give humans freedom and lucifer did and that's why something something.
User avatar #103 to #77 - beasert (02/03/2013) [-]
The way I've come to understand it is as such: A first there was paradise, the Garden. There was placed in it the tree of knowledge (probably a metaphor, I don't know), and though the first people were told not to eat it, they did (free will, God won't make you do something. It was Him having faith in us). We were cast from paradise (bliss in ignorance), but not abandoned.
I'm not sure why Lucifer tempted us with knowledge, but from what I can piece together it was some shape of jealousy. I've heard that angels had free will at that time too, but it was revoked when Lucifer was cast out so more wouldn't try to manipulate us.
I ponder on these kind of things often, trying to understand how faith, history and science can work towards a sensible understanding of creation. If you can can offer some insight, I'd like to hear it please to share with others in future discussions.
#80 to #77 - blackandwhitegod (02/03/2013) [-]
Im not sure where you are getting your image of this, Miltons Paradise Lost? The bible never says that, nor does Milton directly though his work does make Satan look like he wasn't "evil" per say but actually wanting to help people.

The concept though is really easy if you take 10 seconds to think about it, you have freedom right now don't you? What does freedom come with? Responsibility. The deal with the bible is the exact same as any body of laws, do what you want but you have to deal with the consequences if you **** up or break the rules.

#Source, logic and common sense, oh and I read books without pictures in them.
User avatar #82 to #80 - fxremastered (02/03/2013) [-]
There was no need for that ending, explain your point as you did but no need to try and insult me. As I said I'm not religious and I have never read any sort of religious text other than what people post on the Current events board on Gamefaqs, /b/ or here.

As I stated before as well, I am not against it in any way either. I just personally don't care.
If there is a god then good for him and if there isn't, well too bad. I mean it's not like we will ever find out while we are alive so why bother arguing all the time.
#84 to #82 - blackandwhitegod (02/03/2013) [-]
The thing is 9/10 of the people in this thread have never read a single religious text for the religions they bash or discuss. It's frustrating since the Bible isn't purely religious, it is a great book to study a time period and a culture and should be mandatory reading if not just for the fact everyone can actually quote it. I am not sure where you got the idea of Satan being a good guy if you never read Miltons work or the bible
#149 to #84 - ThumbingUp (02/03/2013) [-]
No, the bible is not accurate to the time period. It is a fiction novel written for the purpose of gaining control of nearby civilizations, hence its similarities to neighboring countries' religions; it made it easier for people to swap without feeling like they totally abandoned their old religion. The bible is not a textbook, it is not a book of facts, and the day you stop treating it as such is the day you open yourself to new knowledge.

Are we throwing around random statistics now? 90% of us haven't read the bible, hm? Get over yourself. You seem to think you're the only omniscient one around here.
User avatar #85 to #84 - fxremastered (02/03/2013) [-]
Specifically why I said "Don't quote me on this".
#75 to #74 - ThumbingUp (02/03/2013) [-]
How is evil a choice that humans make if God is omniscient and knows exactly how we're going to react to every situation in our entire lives? Claiming God is omniscient is simultaneously proving his evilness.
#81 to #75 - blackandwhitegod (02/03/2013) [-]
That isn't how it works. Nor is that anyones argument who wouldn't be stupid without religion. The idea of omniscient doesn't mean "see the future" nor does it make him a grand architect of decisions, it just means he knows "everything" which if you think abotu it everything can only apply to things as they happen IE He doesn't see the future just the present and everything that has happened. I don't recall any quotes from the bible that say God told Moses he can see the future.
#148 to #81 - ThumbingUp (02/03/2013) [-]
Now you're twisting definitions. The bible makes it entirely clear the God is supposed to know all that has happened, is happening, and WILL happen. He has a "plan" for every living thing, yes? How can he plan your future if he does not know your future?

Omniscient:
1. One having total knowledge
2. Having infinite knowledge or understanding
User avatar #100 to #81 - mrmontombo (02/03/2013) [-]
The that fact that he knows everything would mean he would be able to deduce what is going to happen next. Ultimate knowledge is ultimate power.
User avatar #71 - Wazzy (02/02/2013) [-]
To be honest all the post I've seen from this channel have been more anti-Christian than atheist.
#83 to #71 - blackandwhitegod (02/03/2013) [-]
Welcome to the internet. They aren't even atheists, they just want to be dicks or they dislike Christianity because they weren't hugged enough as a child. They have a global impression that Christianity is the only religion, and they don't even understand it. They recycle the same faulty logic, poor quotes, and over all ****** mentality that makes me want to purge the human race of idiots with a divine fire of pure seething loathing. Theres no excuse to be half as ignorant as 9/10 of these "atheists" besides purely being a horrible excuse of a human being, the fact that there are other atheists bashing them says a lot about it.
User avatar #101 to #83 - mrmontombo (02/03/2013) [-]
It doesn't help that Christians, in my experience, have not been able to properly refute these quotes. That is why they keep getting used.
User avatar #107 to #101 - tomhefailin (02/03/2013) [-]
We just don't care to sink to their level. If ever a christian tries to defend their views they just call it "preaching" or "shoving religion down their throat". We gave no reason to try to appease them so if they want to hate us for no reason they can go ahead.
User avatar #109 to #107 - mrmontombo (02/03/2013) [-]
And that sounds like a cop out.
User avatar #151 to #109 - tomhefailin (02/03/2013) [-]
We live in a country that is over 75% christian, there is a tiny percentage that classify themselves as atheist. These people think they are the most magnanimous of people because they took high school science and are smarter than most of the country who can't even spell theology. Atheism is a cult of pedantic hopelessness that preys on uneducated christians for fun. How does that sound? If you would like me to refute any quotes for you or get in a religious debate I will gladly acquiesce.
User avatar #157 to #151 - militarybus (03/03/2013) [-]
cant tell if sarcasm or just really dumb 0.o
User avatar #152 to #151 - rennat ONLINE (02/03/2013) [-]
Only 51% of people in the US subscribe to one particular form of Christianity. It is only by lumping all other sects together that the 78.4% is reached. 1/6th of the population claims to be unaffiliated with a religion in any way, which I would say is more than a small percentage. One thing I will agree with you on, at least partially, is the idiocracy that purveys through many self claimed "Atheists" around the world. Now, most that I have met are too stupid for me, or anyone for that matter, to take seriously. Sadly, this group is typically the most vocal. Personally, I enjoy online debate because I can actually sit down and read peoples opposing arguments to me own and reflect upon my own opinions. Now, as to your offer, I am rather curious about what you have to say about the above quote.
User avatar #76 to #71 - residentblackman (02/03/2013) [-]
that's modern Atheism for you
User avatar #62 - ScottP (02/02/2013) [-]
"You are handsome"

-Hippocrates
#52 - anonymous (02/02/2013) [-]
Thank you for being an obnoxious asshat.
User avatar #55 to #52 - prettyflyforaderp (02/02/2013) [-]
your welcome ******** always wrong hated anonymous
#48 - blubblablub (02/02/2013) [-]
alright epicurus was a philosopher in ancient greece, where idea of monotheism basically didn't exist neither did the idea of omnipotent or strictly benevolent gods, so go **** your quote
#140 to #48 - wishanonscouldpost (02/03/2013) [-]
You are completely incorrect. That quote is widely known as being attributed to Epicurus, and is even called the Epicurean Paradox, also known as the problem of evil. It given to Epicurus due to the fact it was quoted to him by a Christian theologist that was arguing against it. I don't think there is any actual known work of Epicurus that has the quote in it, but he was known as a atheist at the time and a critic of religion.

Also Epicurus was born in 341 BC. Judaism for example goes back as far as 535 BC.

Also another example is Native American tribes and civilizations. A few of them practiced monotheism long before even Judaism existed.

So monotheism existed way before he was born.
User avatar #54 to #48 - prettyflyforaderp (02/02/2013) [-]
so because his idea didnt exist we should just forget it?
#60 to #54 - blubblablub (02/02/2013) [-]
no, i'm just saying that not only is this "quote" not from epicurus but that it's fairly stupid to assume it is
User avatar #61 to #60 - prettyflyforaderp (02/02/2013) [-]
even if its not it still make a valid point
#66 to #61 - blubblablub (02/02/2013) [-]
i guess that's a question of interpretation, i'm pretty sure most atheists will feel confirmed by the apparently simple logic, but still most christians won't agree because god not preventing (all) evil isn't a sign for malevolence but god deciding on behalf of a greater good and therefor his actions don't seem understandable from a human point of view
#64 to #61 - captnpl (02/02/2013) [-]
Then why do you need his name to give it credulity ?
#72 to #64 - samyek (02/02/2013) [-]
Einstein made an interesting argument that Evil does not actually exist and that it merely the absence of God(Similar to light and darkness' relationship). What are your thoughts?
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