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#207 - Drstein (05/12/2012) [+] (8 replies)
being a history major and all, its actually because of the fall of the roman empire, and disintegration of society, thanks to Christian monks, we were able to save a lot of the knowledge of the past, because the copied the documents that would other wise have been lost,
#44 - TheBagel (05/11/2012) [+] (8 replies)
Christianity actually saved most of literature during the dark ages, because priest were of a select few who could read. (They would copy each book by hand) Also, if not for the Crusades, there would be no Renaissance, so we would be even further back. The middle east had no Dark Ages, and it looks like they're doing great right now! Stop blaming Christianity on things that you don't understand. I'm sick of uneducated mongoloids like this getting Front Page just because its ant-Christianity. By the way, this has been posted about a dozen times now. You're not original, OP. You're a sad little mad, and you have my pity.

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#588 - I Am Monkey (05/12/2012) [+] (6 replies)
The fact that this post continues to make the front page astounds me.
Anyone with an 8th grader's knowledge of history could blow this argument to pieces.

Christianity held a lot of power during this period because it could still function without a central government. Christians actually preserved knowledge in Monasteries by transcribing texts. Without those Monks Western Civilization would have basically reset.

The Dark Ages were caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire, everyone knows that. Many factors contributed the long period of stagnation that followed, none of them Christianity. A minor Ice Age made farming difficult and plagues ravaged the impoverished people. Europe pretty much had to sit on ass until conditions improved.

For those that don't know, the Roman Empire maintained it's prosperity by going on campaign. They would conquer neighboring territory and use the spoils to fuel their economic and political system. Once their military machine lost steam it was all over. Without the ability to win wars they completely fell apart. You can't rebuilt a system like that. It just doesn't work if without a world class army to back it. After the Empire fell Europe had to build a new system from the ground up. This took centuries and the process was exponentially slowed by plague, invasion and famine.
#704 - drcroccer (05/12/2012) [+] (11 replies)
As someone who studies history this hurts my brains. There's so much wrong with this on both a historical and just logical level that it'd take an entire essay to carefully explain every detail that is incorrect.

For one, the absolutely retarded notion that you can just chart scientific progress as if it were some objective game of numbers. Secondly, the fact that this chart pretends that there was no scientific progress at all during the Middle Ages. Thirdly, the notion that the 'Christian Dark Ages' lasted from the late 5th century until 1400. And, most importantly, the notion that Christianity was the cause.

I'm really not going to delve too deep into this, as that would take way too long, but I'm just going to point a few things out. For example, the Roman empire was Christian (with some minor intervals) since 380. Anyone who knows basic history knows that the cause of the Dark Ages was primarily the decline and ultimate demise of the Western Roman Empire due to political, economic and social reasons, and its replacement by Germanic kingdoms. The irony is that Christianity was one of the few things remaining from the Roman times that wasn't destroyed, and was vital to the intellectual rebuilding of Western Europe. Monasteries were centres of scientific learning and culture, and were connected to eachother as a web over Europe. They not only advanced sciences, but spread them across the Catholic world. It wasn't until much later, with the Pope becoming more powerful and the Church more centralized, that conflicts arose. Even then, it's been greatly exaggerated by post-Medieval scholars who wanted to portray the age as backwards as possible.

Next OP will try and convince us that Medieval people thought the Earth was flat, and that intellectuals only debated about the number of angels that could stand on a pin.

My faith in humanity is somewhat restored reading the comment section and seeing all the people voicing the same complaints I do.


#315 - LewdFlapjack (05/12/2012) [+] (12 replies)
A lot of technical advances were made in the middle east and asia during this period too, especially in navigation and math (ever heard of the Arabic numeral system? we use it every day.) My point is that the *European* ( not Christian) Dark ages did not cause that much of a hole in advancement because other parts of the world, the middle east and asia, was having a golden age of technology. So in summary, yes, the european dark ages caused a gap in *european* technological advances, but not overall advances worldwide. This post contains massive amounts of ignorance.

I'm a history and poli sci major :3
User avatar #63 - sloar (05/11/2012) [+] (3 replies)
Promotes science yet it does not have a scale on its Y axis ...
#172 - RodasAPC (05/12/2012) [+] (3 replies)
Truth is. If the Bible had dragons it would be 100x better.
Truth is. If the Bible had dragons it would be 100x better.
User avatar #525 - dtox (05/12/2012) [+] (7 replies)
I'm sorry, but this is highly inaccurate.

the fall of the roman empire is what pushed us into the dark ages, Christianity happened to be extremely popular during that time because it was like a bastion of safety for people, especially with how everything was in strife and chaos.

countries/leaders were converting, and with this they established peace and alliances with similar converts, thus if you were christian/catholic you would have powerful allies and the church to shelter you.

In fact, it was thanks to irish monks, who held onto every shred of information that they could get their hands on (it's how we know what norse mythology is today), is what allowed us to preserve and continue our advancement.

Not to mention, Charlemagne, a christian king who ruled the franks a couple of centuries before the end of the dark ages, established an educational standard that would teach people to read and write (something that would gain popularity as time went by).
#198 - allgoodnamesrgone (05/12/2012) [+] (1 reply)
Christians:0   
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Goku:1
Christians:0
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Goku:1
#175 - KCRoger (05/12/2012) [-]
i dont give a fuck about religion. believe in what you want to believe.
User avatar #564 - dafiltafish (05/12/2012) [-]
i might be pretty godless, but for god's sake, show some intelligence. atheists are supposed to be smart right? here is what is missing:

fall of Rome
plague
war with the western Asians and Assyrians
uprisings and incomplete governments

as you can see, it was a culmination of terrible things that happened way too fast, so before you start going off about the christian movement, think about the political and medical problems of the time.
#381 - swedishassassin (05/12/2012) [+] (35 replies)
1st. This is such an old repost it out dates the Earth

2nd. The Dark Ages Began when Rome, at this point a unified Christian Empire, fell and all organization was lost, including religion, resulting in Vikings, Marauders and Cutthroats to pillage the land until the Church and Charlemagne together created Feudalism and the order of the Holy Knights to defend.

No Religion: Caused death and destruction.
Religion: Saved Europe from Chaos
#110 - alanthewhite (05/11/2012) [+] (6 replies)
**alanthewhite rolls 724,274,735**
Filthy Jew here.

The Dark Ages did not come about by Christianity. After the fall of Rome, the several Italian people and the barbarian tribes surrounding it lived in confusion and a lack of knowledge without a leader or a nation to guide them, forgetting what their fathers have taught them. Soon, darkness crept through Europe, and we were little more than animals with farms.

There was one thing that gave the people hope, however. The Bible, the tome of Christians, was something that united all the confused, suffering people of Europe, and gave them reason to keep living. Though it did not promise scientific advantage, it served as a light of the Europeans to bring order back into their world.

And at the same time, in the Middle East, the Arab Empire grew to ridiculous levels, becoming the most technologically advanced and powerful nation the world had ever seen, even greater than Rome itself. And what united those men? The Koran, for the Arabs were united by their Muslim heritage, and their belief in Allah.

TL;DR Stop with these fucking Atheist posts they're not funny
#314 - Turtleboner (05/12/2012) [+] (1 reply)
I think whoever made that graph spelled "collapse of roman empire" incorrectly   
must have been an idiot, "christian dark ages" isn't even close...
I think whoever made that graph spelled "collapse of roman empire" incorrectly
must have been an idiot, "christian dark ages" isn't even close...
User avatar #179 - damngodit (05/12/2012) [+] (5 replies)
From what I've learned, that period was mostly due to the fall of Rome. People didn't know what to do. Hell, Christian monks preserved books and such.
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