Epic battle. . have you ever heard of the Kyptonite'"?. Superman has a set amount of power. Now there is alot of power, but its set. Goku, and other saiyans, can keep getting more powerful. Evolving, advancing. Super
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User avatar #2 - beamersmack **User deleted account** (11/20/2012) [-]
Superman has a set amount of power. Now there is alot of power, but its set. Goku, and other saiyans, can keep getting more powerful. Evolving, advancing. Superman might win in the beginning, but give it 20 episodes, and Goku would destroy him.
User avatar #10 to #2 - vortexrain (11/20/2012) [-]
And that's one of the reasons that I hate that series.
Nobody can reach SS2, Goku does so that he can beat a person.
A more powerful person comes along, and SS2 isn't good enough, but nobody has ever reached SS3 before, Goku does.
A more powerful person comes along and SS3 isn't good enough, and so on and so on.
It's like with Superman, he dies and comes back everytime.
An explosion happens that's large enough to kill him, nope. He was sent into another dimension, time, and even both by the force of the explosion, and then he gets back.
Doomsday "killed" him. Turns out all he needed was to be left in the sun for a few days and he would've been fine.
#7 to #2 - genderbenderman (11/20/2012) [-]
lol, 20 episodes... thumb for you sir
User avatar #5 to #2 - darkdragonswrath (11/20/2012) [-]
Superman doesn't kill anyone and saiyans get stronger after a defeat so Goku's got time.
User avatar #211 to #5 - WATCHAGUNADOBOUTIT (11/21/2012) [-]
That's an extremely nice profile gif sir.
User avatar #386 to #211 - darkdragonswrath (11/21/2012) [-]
Thank you sir
#158 - obnoxygen (11/20/2012) [-]
We were having this debate in my English class.
We were having this debate in my English class.
User avatar #229 to #220 - awesomenessdefined (11/21/2012) [-]
Goku trained in 100x Earth's gravity
The Average man weighs 80kg, plus goku's weight boots, lets say he's 100kg
He weighed about 10000 kg, 10 tons. After coming out his power was 180,000. Superman can lift atleast 10X that, so his power level is 1,800,000.
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User avatar #247 to #246 - awesomenessdefined (11/21/2012) [-]
When charged by the sun. I said at least.
#234 to #220 - nevernever (11/21/2012) [-]
so divided by 3 that's 66.6 recurring quintillion tons for a normal superman. Anyone want to redo that math better?
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#255 to #234 - anon (11/21/2012) [-]
this may be true but goku's strength multiplies many times upon one transformation. Plus the fact that he can transform 4 times (super saiyen 1, 2, 3, and 4) so yeah superman is ****** . goku can also take a ******** of damage before transforming hes just that kind of dude, so theres no chance of defeat before gokus transformation.
#268 to #234 - jtshanks (11/21/2012) [-]
he has cancer from over exposure to sunlight so his cells are exploding from the inside, in this issue nobody knows if hes dead or alive because he flew into the sun and is supposedly fixing it, either way Superman is bad ass as is Goku.
#281 to #268 - poontanglife (11/21/2012) [-]
Thats right, yet we have also seen Superman pull 1/3 of the planet which is gross amounts more than 300 quintillion tons.
He have also lifted half of iternity... (dont know how much that is, lol).
And have just recently lifted the earth for 5 days straight without much effort.
#446 to #281 - demjimmies (11/22/2012) [-]
Actually Superman never lifted 1/3 of the Earth, Kyle moved it with help from magic.

Learn your ******* Superman
#455 to #446 - anon (04/09/2013) [-]
that was obsidian age and the three of them had been dead for a while before that happened so were nowhere near full power
#449 to #446 - poontanglife (11/22/2012) [-]
Practice what you preach, bro.
#451 to #449 - demjimmies (11/22/2012) [-]
******* lol.

Superman had trouble pulling the moon with help from Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and every single magic user on DC Earth.

People need to stop using Google images to find random scans

Try harder.
#456 to #451 - anon (04/09/2013) [-]
that magic uses there to make sure that moon and earth didn't hit the Roche limit and destroy the moon while decimating life on earth
#452 to #451 - poontanglife (11/22/2012) [-]
First.. let me ask you, have you actually read these issues? Or are you just using the recently ''famous'' ''Debunking Superman's feats'' post on Screwattack in accordance to the upcoming battle between Goku and Superman?
I dont know, i dont care... just want to add that those ''debunkings'' are not legit, well a lot of them arent at least.

Now... for the first one.. the fact is that Superman, WW and MM did pull the earth, they just didnt do it fast enough and was beginning to lose it, when Kyle came around and saved the day.
The feat is... Superman pulled 1/3 of the earth, and likely way more since he is stronger than both MM and WW, the feat isnt ''did the save the earth''.

The second... was again them pulling the moon, the magic users nullified the gravity, they just created an atmosphere... all the pulling was done by Superman, ww and GL...
Then ofcourse there are many more feats, like lifting the half of eternity or holding a blackhole within his palms...
Also it seems that current Superman is much, much stronger than pre-flashpoint Supes is... But im only reading Action Comics and that feat is in Superman issue 13 or 14.. havent read that yet, so i just ignore it as of now.

I also added a picture i know they didnt try to debunk in the Screwattack post where Hal Jordan and Superman are pushing earth, which is a much greater feat than doing it with WW and MM, also.. it seems that Superman is actually doing all the pushing and Hal is using all his will to create the construct, i dont know.. thats only speculation though.
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#221 to #220 - bigblamo (11/21/2012) [-]
and if i may add this.
#90 - flashfire (11/20/2012) [-]
I'm still gonna win.
User avatar #96 to #90 - fuzzyballs (11/20/2012) [-]
how? if either of them flick their finger batman would be dead
User avatar #114 to #96 - yunablade (11/20/2012) [-]
I would say a super hero is as strong as his story is.

Batman story is much more exciting than supermans or dragonball in my opinion, if we are having a super power contest it wouldn't make sense, I jsut create a character called AnalCreator that can erase the universe with his mind and then recreate it and then I win...
#129 to #114 - senoldlx (11/20/2012) [-]
MFW AnalCreator
MFW AnalCreator
User avatar #99 to #96 - flashfire (11/20/2012) [-]
Inside Batman's utility belt are two lead covered pieces of red and green Kryptonite. He's had this for years, should Kent ever go rogue, or stray from the path of good. Superman knows this, and wouldn't pick the fight. Ever. As for the Saiyan, Goku is durable, not indestructable. I'm pretty sure Batman would figure a way to take him down without killing him... Or, he could just make Superman his bitch and fight for him.
User avatar #101 to #99 - fuzzyballs (11/20/2012) [-]
isn't superman like ****************** ? he could just kill batman before he had even the slightest chance to defend himself
and since those saiyans get stronger after every fight, he would beat superman eventually, because superman's won't kill anyone

am I overthinking this, or are you just blind because you're a fan?
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User avatar #108 to #106 - fuzzyballs (11/20/2012) [-]
you asked for it
User avatar #111 to #101 - mothafuckingbatman (11/20/2012) [-]
all batman would have to do is take the kryptonite out of the lead casing, if superman is near its radiation he is weakened...so no matter how fast superman is it wont last, then batman can just make superman swallow the kryptonite, killing him
#148 to #111 - kanali ONLINE (11/20/2012) [-]
Or Superman could just shoot him with his lazer eyes from afar. Batman can only beat Supes if he's got his kryptonite ready, and there are about a gazillion ways Supes could kill him before he gets 'em out of the lead casing.
User avatar #205 to #148 - mothafuckingbatman (11/20/2012) [-]
From A Distance Batman Can Easily Dodge His Attacks....Are We All Forgetting That Batman HAS Beaten Superman Multiple Times In The Comics.
#443 to #205 - kanali ONLINE (11/21/2012) [-]
Are you honestly saying that Batman can move at the speed of light? Because thats how fast lasers move. The only way Batman can beat Supes is by having Kryptonite ready to go and having Supes within range to be effected, by Supes holding back or through EXTREME plot induced stupidity. Its the same way that Captain America can stand up to Thanos, and Ultron or how Spider-Man can take down the Hulk.
User avatar #104 to #101 - flashfire (11/20/2012) [-]
Both. IF I were to be speaking as a neutral party towards our debate here, the best Bats could hope for is to somehow get Goku unconcious, while putting Superman out with the Kryptonite. As for his speed, Batman could probably get the drop on him because of the lead covering, because Superman can't see through it...
I'm actually a Green Lantern fanboy
User avatar #107 to #104 - fuzzyballs (11/20/2012) [-]
....again with the lead covering? what does that even matter if batman is dead in 0.001 seconds?
User avatar #112 to #107 - flashfire (11/20/2012) [-]
Superman isn't that fast. Don't get me wrong, "speeding bullet" isn't close, but his speed has been downplayed in recent years.
User avatar #115 to #112 - fuzzyballs (11/20/2012) [-]
well I'm not a marvel or D.C. fan, so I only know bits and pieces
User avatar #118 to #115 - mothafuckingbatman (11/20/2012) [-]
also if we are talking in concept of the pic..superman will be distracted with Goku, so Batman will have the time to remove the lead
User avatar #117 to #99 - jdouglas (11/20/2012) [-]
alright. this is how superman would beat(kill) batman. he nukes the earth. every square inch of it. do you know what that would entail? everyone. then he'd push the earth into the sun. completely ensuring his death.
User avatar #120 to #117 - flashfire (11/20/2012) [-]
The Batcave is protected from radiation.
#171 - malizlewaa (11/20/2012) [-]
Alternative ending

Perhaps the most probable outcome too
User avatar #179 to #171 - danielscqro (11/20/2012) [-]
that's gay as hell i was hoping for them to tear each other to pieces while they destroy the solar system in the process
User avatar #155 - malhaloc (11/20/2012) [-]
Depends on what generation of Superman is doing the fighting.

The original Superman could fight on par if not better than SS4 Gogeta.
Superman from The Animated Series could probably fight SS3 Goku.
Versions of Superman lately gets knocked on his ass every other minute and would have a hard time fighting Krillin.
#79 - pfccross (11/20/2012) [-]
time to put our hands in the air people.  Gokus gotta win this one.
time to put our hands in the air people. Gokus gotta win this one.
User avatar #63 - thirdasscheek (11/20/2012) [-]
....their balls are touching
#319 - kyleassante (11/21/2012) [-]
I like how Goku has arm wraps, they look bad ass
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#325 - DanLacasky (11/21/2012) [-]
Comment Picture
#240 - puccypirateisback **User deleted account** (11/21/2012) [-]
superman has no super sand
superman has no super sand
#156 - iamphoenix (11/20/2012) [-]
Here's how the fight would go:
Superman punches Goku.
Goku laughs and punches Superman into dust.
#19 - sidathon (11/20/2012) [-]
The War is Cooming..
War is Cooming
is Cooming
User avatar #4 - mrjweezy (11/20/2012) [-]
spoiler goku wins
#145 to #139 - nagafever (11/20/2012) [-]
**nagafever rolled a random image posted in comment #4 at Phil #7 ** Sure someone posted it already, but... uh. How is it "average" to lift 40% of your weight? Like, are we talking japanese people here holding something straight out? Because picking **** up from the ground is easy, probably average to do 120-30% of your bodyweight like that.

And then there is the part where you have to lift something over your head, if the muscles you need to do that have been trained properly you can lift pretty much anything you want to. It is normal for everyone to work out, right?
User avatar #157 to #145 - malhaloc (11/20/2012) [-]
TL;DR Do you even lift?
#140 to #139 - tcbreakdown (11/20/2012) [-]
Oops, someone posted it already. My bad.
Oops, someone posted it already. My bad.
User avatar #53 - technique (11/20/2012) [-]
When Raditz comes to earth, he scans the power level of a normal man, which was 5 PL (power level)
Superman (I take this from internet sources, so don't quote me on this) can lift around 100 tons, or 100000 KG or 220,462,262 pounds approximatley.
An average human (not a bodybuilder) can lift around 40% of his weight as his max (straight up in the air while standing)
An average person weighs 80 KG. 40% 0f 80 KG is 32 KG.
100000/32= 3125. So, superman can lift 3125 times more than an average human(farmer with shotgun)
5 PL * 3125 = 15,625.
Superman's power level is 15,625. That means that Goku could beat him after his training with King Kai by using Kaio Ken times 2 (16000 PL)
Don't even get me started about SSJ Goku!
Goku wins, hands down.

User avatar #231 to #53 - awesomenessdefined (11/21/2012) [-]
Goku trained in 100x Earth's gravity
The Average man weighs 80kg, plus goku's weight boots, lets say he's 100kg
He weighed about 10000 kg, 10 tons. After coming out his power was 180,000. Superman can lift at least 10X that, so his power level is (at least) 1,800,000.

User avatar #347 to #53 - toastiepie (11/21/2012) [-]
Just so you know, the power level of super Gogeta is quoted at 2,500,000,000 and is the highest power level seen
#457 to #53 - aliminater (11/11/2013) [-]
I really hate to say this but power level and strength are completely different. Power level is the actual amount of energy someone holds in there body and can bring forth. At best I would say the only magical power Superman can dish out is his laser vision. On terms of physical strength he is stronger then Goku. But Superman is weak aginst magic, and energy that the DBZ characters have is just another form of magic. There really is no comparison if Goku was serious Superman would die in an instant. But on terms of power level you cant base it off of physical strength. After all Superman cant destroy an entire galaxy in an instant.
User avatar #58 to #53 - olemonheado (11/20/2012) [-]
I agree, but superman has laser vision...
laser vision?
User avatar #64 to #58 - xenophaigus (11/20/2012) [-]
But can he do Kamehameha?
User avatar #70 to #64 - olemonheado (11/20/2012) [-]
but lasers...
User avatar #74 to #70 - deadbyapril (11/20/2012) [-]
**** your lasers.

User avatar #73 to #70 - xenophaigus (11/20/2012) [-]
Lasers are indeed powerful, but... Can they be used as a source of propulsion? Nope.

Can they blast away mass amounts of, well... Mass at a single instant? No.

They can burn through **** pretty damn fast so I give credit for that
#75 to #73 - olemonheado (11/20/2012) [-]
I'm so, sorry
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User avatar #147 to #53 - moolfle (11/20/2012) [-]
In DC's new 52, superman is benching, for 5 days straight, 5.972 sextillion metric tons - he also seems to have been able to do more, but they couldn't get any heavier weight. i think your data of 100 tons is a little outdated. So, switch the 5.972 tons in for the 100 tons - whatever that is - re do the maths and I'm sure superman would have a much higher power level.
#248 to #53 - niedzielan (11/21/2012) [-]
200 quintillion tons = 200,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons = 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 KG
200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000/32 =
6,250,000,000,000,000,000,000 * 5PL = 31,250,000,000,000,000,000,000

So Superman's power level is... 31.25 Sextillion at least.
User avatar #262 to #248 - dapianoman (11/21/2012) [-]
If you read that whole comic, that part comes right after he is exposed to deadly radiation or something. His cells are decaying at that point.
User avatar #93 to #53 - hhhghhg (11/20/2012) [-]
"power levels are ******** "
TFS abridged series Vegeta
User avatar #131 to #53 - maxismahname (11/20/2012) [-]
and i thought 9000 PL was a lot.
#3 - demjimmies (11/20/2012) [-]
The powerlevel to blow up a planet is 18,000

Goku can't hear you over his 150,000,000

And that's SSJ, not even SSj2, SSJ3 or SSj4.

Cry harder.
#332 to #3 - Littlebighobo (11/21/2012) [-]
Wowie! A whole 150,000,000! I'll just go over there while Supes squishes Goku between his fingers.
#403 to #332 - demjimmies (11/21/2012) [-]
Wow a non-canon Superman who was amped the entire comic.    
 That isn't even enough to lift 20% of the Earth's weight.   
Goku blows Superman right the 			****		 up.
Wow a non-canon Superman who was amped the entire comic.

That isn't even enough to lift 20% of the Earth's weight.

Goku blows Superman right the **** up.
#428 to #403 - Littlebighobo (11/21/2012) [-]
<That's what would happen to Goku, also its about 30% of the earth's weight 1 handed without even trying. Also if you want something canonical Superman was recently seen bench pressing the sun for 5 days straight without breaking a sweat, I'm sorry but Goku is ****** he's a good character and all but he's downright ****** .
#434 to #428 - demjimmies (11/21/2012) [-]
Superman New 52 has no durability feats. Goku rapes him with a planet busting Kamehameha.

Even DC writer Wizard acknowledges Goku would win
#433 to #428 - demjimmies (11/21/2012) [-]
Oh god that was Pre-Crisis Superman who is rectonned and doesn't exist.

Plus he sucked up Mr. mxyzptlk magic dust a being who is capable of wiping out the Universe, Superman couldn't do that without help.

< Yea and SSJ2 Goku could make him his bitch

Please read a comic before going on Google images for Superman scans.
User avatar #429 to #428 - Littlebighobo (11/21/2012) [-]
*Earth but w/e its late and I don't care.
#128 - denonymous (11/20/2012) [-]
"the War is Cooming"
#285 - xaxas (11/21/2012) [-]
User avatar #288 to #285 - bashal (11/21/2012) [-]
Thats basing super man to a human.

He isnt human
User avatar #293 to #288 - superflystickman (11/21/2012) [-]
No, but it's making his strength proportionate
User avatar #296 to #293 - bashal (11/21/2012) [-]
So the arguement doesnt work. Youre basing the Powerlevel on a normal human male.

Superman is a normal Kryptonian male.

Thats like comparing Raditz to the farmer at the beggining, it doesnt work
User avatar #304 to #296 - largilloquent (11/21/2012) [-]
sir, re read this a few more times, hes makeing it comparable so we can understand.
User avatar #300 to #296 - superflystickman (11/21/2012) [-]
Except it does. It's comparing Max lifts.
#298 to #285 - poontanglife (11/21/2012) [-]
Now... change 100 tons to 1/3 of earth and we have Supes general strenght level.
100 tons? Where do you even get that info?
User avatar #301 to #298 - xaxas (11/21/2012) [-]
not mine
link here:
http:/ /funnyj unk. com/channe l /4chan/Scien ce+in+this+ **** /mTrgGzG/
#308 to #301 - poontanglife (11/21/2012) [-]
Np... its wrong though.
#339 to #308 - Vincenzo (11/21/2012) [-]
A third earth isn't quite right either...



After being saturated with yellow solar energy in All-Star Superman, his strength was tested as exceeding the force of 200 quintillion tons (or 2x10^20 tons, in scientific notation, i.e., two hundred billion billion tons), enough to pull the Earth away from the sun.[volume & issue needed] As of The New 52 reboot, his strength now exceeds 5.972 sextillion metric tons.[volume & issue needed] Explanations include being adapted to the heavier gravity of Krypton, and his muscles using the power of the solar energy which fuels all his abilities. Superman's stamina has also been shown as limitless (whilst he remains in yellow sunlight).

So there we have a number on the upper limits of Supermans strength, I'll leave the math to someone more inclined to do it.
#344 to #339 - poontanglife (11/21/2012) [-]
Superman in the new 52, still have a very unclear powerset, ive not read Superman issue 13 and 14 yet where he ''pumps'' earth for 5 days straight, so im trying to avoid that as a fact i use before ive read it.
In pre 52 his greatest feat was pulling earth together with Hal Jordan and another time when he pushed it together with Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter...

When Superman liften 200 quintillion tons it was in All-Star Superman, a feat often used (by me also) but should be remembered as a non-cannon feat, all-star superman is a centered story and non-cannon.
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