Think of it this way. Why do you think those - #157493941 added by wertologist at Age

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Not to burst your bubble, but that's not how it works.
Kids aren't just given meds and surgeries out of nowhere. They gotta talk to psychologist and other specialists before anything is done.

#143 to #29 - anon id: c5ac4aeb

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I do agree with you, as the post clearly states bodily surgery. I think the OP would be better if it instead stated the use of HRT and how it steralises you, resulting it in being a drastic body alteration almost on par with the mentioned surgery. Nothing is stopping parents from ordering HRT on the internet and letting their kids use them. HRT steralises you, and that is an extremely big choice to make for someone around e.g. the age of 12.

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(03/20/2017) [-]

I can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely retarded.

#36 to #29 - kingderps

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(03/20/2017) [-]

The results of these procedures seems to invalidate them.

#31 to #29 - sugoi

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(03/20/2017) [-]

I don't think talking to a psychologist and other specialists are gunna let them drink, drive, and get a job though.

#33 to #31 - sourcedasher

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Drinking, driving licenses and jobs have nothing to do with a psychological problem.
Not to mention this image only represents the US and nothing else.

#34 to #33 - sugoi

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Yes but you can get permanent life changing surgery by having a chat but you can't drink, drive, or get a job at that age by having a little chat.

I assume the psychological and specialist chats are to evaluate if you are of sound mind and to diagnose you with Gender Dysphoria which is fair enough but considering the recent campaigning to remove Gender Dysphoria as an illness I wonder how long left do people still need that psychological and specialist chats?

And I don't know why you would bring that up without bringing up another country to support your argument. We both know we're only talking about America.

#35 to #34 - sourcedasher

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(03/20/2017) [-]

>having a little chat

You do realize that the kid would go and talk to those specialists for more than 1 time, right? It's a procedure that takes years and all those psychologists/doctors will follow alongside it. I am pretty sure that a psychologist and all those other people have had enough training in their life to determine the state of their patient.
I am pretty sure they can tell when it's "just a phase" or the parents pushing their kid into it.

Regulating alcohol, drugs, sexual intercourse, media and driving licenses isn't comparable to a sex change.
Also I brought up "this is only about the US", because of the other statements with "you need to be 21 to drink and so on".

#122 to #35 - wertologist

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Think of it this way.

Why do you think those other laws are in place?

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Psychology is such a **** science in general and standards to become a psychologist aren't great. Very few people with the capacity to be great psychologists go into the field because there are better options for someone with their mind. No, i don't trust those psychologists. I'm considerably more favorable towards regular doctors, however.

#37 to #35 - sugoi

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(03/20/2017) [-]

I never said anything about it being just a phase.
I never said anything about it not taking years (It won't because they have relatively short tests for this sort of thing)
I never said they wouldn't have proper training and aren't qualified to make these decisions.

I said that the diagnosis they will make is Gender Dysphoria which is what the disease is listed under in ICD-10 however there have been movements to remove Gender Dysphoria as a disease like how being gay is no longer considered a disease. If their campaigning is to succeed then is it really necessary for year long psychological and specialist visits to diagnose something that is no longer considered a disease anymore?

You are getting off topic completely.
No one mentioned Drugs.
No one mentioned Sex.
No one mentioned the media.

Are you projecting? Because it feels like you're projecting onto me as because I haven't said any of these things, you're either projecting or trying (poorly) to make a strawman to argue.

Yes well done unfortunately we both knew it was about America and the 21 year old age restriction doesn't change much in terms of the discussion. Are you bringing up irrelevant information just to sound smart like some shady nutritionist that spouts ******** then brings up a few irrelevant facts so that the clients think "well I know that's true so the rest must be true too!"

#193 to #37 - benshapiro

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(03/21/2017) [-]

hey buddy let me tell you my side of the argument
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkONHNXGfaM

#242 to #193 - sugoi

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(03/21/2017) [-]

Can you summarise it in 10 words or less?

#55 to #37 - twiceasfun

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(03/20/2017) [-]

>remove gender dysphoria as a disease

The existence of the diagnosis 'gender dysphoria' is the result of transgenderism already being declared nonpathological years ago

#38 to #37 - sourcedasher

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(03/20/2017) [-]

You are getting off topic completely.
No one mentioned Drugs.
No one mentioned Sex.
No one mentioned the media.

OP's image posted mentions all that, you ******* moron. Are you legit retarded?

#39 to #38 - sugoi

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Ooh nice job completely avoiding my points and going for an ad hominem. Real smooth move there buddy you're pretty much confirmed for being completely retarded but I'll humour you for one more post.

It's very clear you've no idea what you're talking about which is why you're just arguing semantics now instead of staying on topic on why it's completely retarded children can make the decision to take permanent life changing cosmetic surgery but no let's go argue semantics like you want.

You mentioned Drugs and Alcohol as separate items on your list so where's Drugs on OP's content then? Big surprise it's not up there you're retarded.

Where's the media? OP clearly said video games, looks like you're a legit retard.

#42 to #39 - sourcedasher

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Also forgot to address that "Where's the media? OP clearly said video games, looks like you're a legit retard."

Guess what jackass, videogames are media ******* moron. Videogames are rated by the ESRB, same goes for other things like music and movies which are also rated by different boards.

#43 to #42 - sugoi

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(03/20/2017) [-]

You really are retarded, saying "Media" in this context is about retarded as saying "Drugs" when we're talking specifically about Heroine.

I don't want you to go kill yourself friend but please get circumcised to spare the world from another generation of your idiocy.

>>#41,
If you weren't retarded you'd notice what I said twice now in my previous comment. I know you're retarded so I'll do the hard work and quote myself and point it out for you in BOLD for your convenience, aren't I nice?

>>#37
"I said that the diagnosis they will make is Gender Dysphoria which is what the disease is listed under in ICD-10 however there have been movements to remove Gender Dysphoria as a disease like how being gay is no longer considered a disease. If their campaigning is to succeed then is it really necessary for year long psychological and specialist visits to diagnose something that is no longer considered a disease anymore? "

>>#34
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I assume the psychological and specialist chats are to evaluate if you are of sound mind and to diagnose you with Gender Dysphoria which is fair enough but considering the recent campaigning to remove Gender Dysphoria as an illness I wonder how long left do people still need that psychological and specialist chats?"

#44 to #43 - sourcedasher

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Videogames are a form of media and both alcohol and cigarettes (which cigs weren't included in the image, pls forgive me already you moron) are also considered drugs, legal drugs you moron.
Stop trying to force an argument about something which doesn't deserve and argument you ******* retarded aussie cunt.

#41 to #39 - sourcedasher

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Oh ****, I'm sorry then. Drugs as in cigarettes weren't on there. Well, point still holds that the picture mentions alcohol, sex, media (videogames) and jobs.
****, sorry that I added 1 more thing on my own ******* list, you ******* moron.

All I said with my first comment was:

Not to burst your bubble, but that's not how it works.
Kids aren't just given meds and surgeries out of nowhere. They gotta talk to psychologist and other specialists before anything is done.

Which is true and you ******* moron tried to argue with that and twist my sentences around, **** off cunt.

#47 to #41 - animalsgreenberet

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(03/20/2017) [-]

sourcedasher and sugoi can't we all just get along? maybe we can all get together ans watch some scat porn while we talk about cutting off peoples genitals?

or we could just go back to looking at funny pictures like normal people.

#52 to #47 - sourcedasher

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(03/20/2017) [-]

I commented about the picture and its message is just plain retarded.
Then this ******* asshole comes along and tries to argue with me about "if this and that and blahblah then what about that?".

I am not an expert on what's going on in people's heads and I never will be. I will not try to argue in something that I don't know anything about.
What I do know is that psychologist and other people who work with transgender people have enough knowledge and education to determine whether their patients are actually feeling that way or if they're only pretending because they're in a phase or their parents are trying to push them into it.