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#3 - deescalation
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(06/19/2013) [-]
"************* how many of you wish I didn't have this gun in this moment"
#129 to #3 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
anyone else read that in samuel jackson's voice?
#128 to #3 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
wow u r such a faggot
#124 to #3 - semierectnipple
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(06/20/2013) [-]
If someone wants to get a gun they will, thats the thing
#120 to #3 - thestrangestboner
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Criminals don't obey the law in the first place, so banning guns would just take them away from those who could potentially defend themselves. Bad argument. Robbing people is illegal, it happens still. Rape happens, murder happens, you name it. They're illegal, yet it happens. Why does everyone think that banning guns will be the first to solve anything.
#103 to #3 - skrewbacca
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(06/20/2013) [-]
I agree.
I agree.
#91 to #3 - adu
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(06/20/2013) [-]
America is armed to the teeth as it is. Not all guns in the country are registered, and not even all registered guns are accounted for. Assuming domestic violence and homicide were all we had to worry about, restricting access to guns or ammunition wouldn't have a noticeable impact until decades down the line. Thing is, though, the most compelling argument against bloated gun regulation is one made from history. See: Weimar Republic of Germany, gun regulations preceding the Nazi Regime. Gun regulations set with good intentions, but ultimately used to put the Nazis higher in power.
#69 to #3 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
but I mean, he is crazy. He got the gun illegally

Those other people, won't be able to have one...
#37 to #3 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Thats the point of the post, it doesnt solve a thing. Its a silly joke because it feels like an nice clean answer for 2 seconds until you realise the gun as a solution is the problem.
#38 to #37 - deescalation
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(06/20/2013) [-]
my comment is also a silly joke that doesn't solve anything.
#20 to #3 - Crusader
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(06/20/2013) [-]
I think it is highlighting how criminals will always find a way.
#7 to #3 - nylak
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Like, word for word what I was thinking.

How the hell is this a good argument against gun control.
#39 to #7 - rdobet
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(06/20/2013) [-]
The point being, what criminal cares about gun sale regulations when there's always the black market?
#239 to #39 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
yeah let's just abolish all laws
Criminals don't care about them anyway eh?
#223 to #39 - beatmasterz
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(06/20/2013) [-]
If guns are illegal they will be more expensive at the black market.
#301 to #223 - rdobet
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(06/20/2013) [-]
That would be a hassle if they weren't going to just try and use the legally obtained firearms to go get money anyway.
#335 to #301 - rdobet
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(06/20/2013) [-]
illegally, bleh typo
#327 to #301 - beatmasterz
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(06/20/2013) [-]
What do you mean?
#331 to #327 - rdobet
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(06/20/2013) [-]
After that, they just use the guns to rob someone or steal food/money usually. It isn't like the gun money is coming out of their paycheck or anything.

As for school/mass shootings, most of the time the shooter kills themselves afterwards, what exactly do they need money for at that point?
#47 to #39 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
yes, but having a gun will no longer be a normal thing. Someone with a gun on them or at their home is now instantly identified as a criminal
#48 to #47 - rdobet
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Great, that won't get the store un-robbed or the people un-shot though, and by then the person's already classified as a criminal with the way gun control us now.

That won't help unless we either have police stationed at every door or we get rid of the amendment against unlawful searches and seizures.
#59 to #48 - hudis
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Yes, it will. It works in other countries.
#62 to #59 - vonspyder
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Name one.
#110 to #62 - davvi
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(06/20/2013) [-]
about the whole of europe
#139 to #110 - vonspyder
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Gun deaths in
Italy: 769
Poland: 98
Greece: 153
Switzerland: 40
Spain: 288

I could go on but No...the whole of europe is still having fire arm homicide. Thanks for playing.
#211 to #139 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
For your consideration
# of US gun homicides/population: 0.00003529149411%
# of those countries gun homicides/ their combined population: 0.000008133613303%
This means that the US has 4.33896877 times more gun related murders...
I am an American and I fully support gun rights, but we clearly have a problem and it needs to be dealt with.
#163 to #139 - awesomanium
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(06/20/2013) [-]
You're still wrong though. Yes, people die from gun deaths. Look at the US though. There were something like 8,000 deaths caused by firearms in 2011. So I don't know why you think you've won when the system obviously works a hell of a lot better than whatever the **** is going on there. You've deliberately left out the US statistics and simply said "people die from gun crime", not at all comparing it to the US. In Italy, the worst offender, there are something like 80,000 people for every one firearm homicide. However, in America, there are half that number, meaning that gun crime is twice as common in America (taking into account the fact that America's population is much larger).
So, to quote you, "thanks for playing"
#330 to #163 - vonspyder
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(06/20/2013) [-]
no Im not. the argument was "Guno control works in other countries." not "Gun control has resulted in fewer deaths by fire arms in europe than in america." My argument is 100% correct. Now if you wish to raise the issue of "Homicides in the US vs Homicides in EU" then do so. Thanks for playing.
#347 to #330 - awesomanium
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(06/20/2013) [-]
But gun control does work. The aim is to reduce death by firearms and it does that.
#375 to #347 - vonspyder
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(06/20/2013) [-]
can you say it doesnt increase other kinds of homicide?
#70 to #62 - Soundtrack
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(06/20/2013) [-]
the whole of western europe, really.


But hey, don't listen to us, enjoy your school shootings happening every week
#151 to #70 - vonspyder
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Gun Deaths for the whole of western europe...okay, time to humble you.
UK: 155
Portugal: 188
Spain: 288
France: 1864
Germany: 903
Sweden: 138
Norway: 87
Holland: 76
Luxembourg: 9
Ireland: 46
Iceland: 4
Greece:153
Switzerland: 40
Italy: 769
Finland: 195
Denmark: 79
Belgium: 256
Austria: 247

So much for that working for western Europe...So no...I wont listen to you. Nor will the 5497 People killed by guns that you seem to think cant possibly exist in western Europe. I bet those dead people wish they had a ****** gun when they were being shot.
#355 to #151 - Soundtrack
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(06/20/2013) [-]
school shooting: europe vs us.
2010's:
EU: 1 (one)
US:42

2000's:
EU:11
US:36

but yeah, that's totally fine.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Europe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
#272 to #151 - mashedbacon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
in norway this year there have been 1 person to die from a gunshot
#237 to #151 - sqivgqxjytfmjonf
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(06/20/2013) [-]
These stats are totally off...
source?

use this:
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Any site that classifies Holland as a country is not credible by default.
(It's called the Netherlands)
#334 to #237 - vonspyder
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Why should I bother giving a source? are you incapable of finding numbers? Do I care if you beleive those numbers are factual? Am i running for a political office? I dont give a rats ass if you beleive what ive presented or not. Im putting it out there if you want to stick your head in the sand its your problem.
#353 to #334 - Soundtrack
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(06/20/2013) [-]
"why should I bother giving a source?"
#342 to #334 - sqivgqxjytfmjonf
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(06/20/2013) [-]
#202 to #151 - hudis
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Provide a source and details on the statistics, please. Gun deaths per year? Which year? What was the U.S. statistic of each of the relevant years?

The core issue here is that Americans seem to look at guns so differently than western Europeans do. Apologies for the crude generalising here, I realise it doesn't apply to everyone but it's a representation of the larger cultural consensus. Americans think it's their right to carry a gun and use it to defend themselves and their property. We don't. Most of us don't think we have any right to carry a lethal weapon. So no, from what I know of my people and our customs, it's very unlikely that "we" would wish we had a gun in our hand when we're being shot at.
#337 to #202 - vonspyder
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(06/20/2013) [-]
the arguement was that cun gontrol works in western europe. That was the end of the statement. The US does not factor into it. Western has gun control, and people in europe are still being shot. Prupose of gun control? To keep people from being shot. If you think the US factors into that...well...thats sad.
#345 to #337 - hudis
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(06/20/2013) [-]
That's a drastic and unneeded simplification.
#257 to #202 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
I have an idea. Lets use just this website.

[url deleted]

Now if you just flip total deaths related to firearms. The US is at 10.3. Now lets start with some popular european countries, to add their total populations equal to that of the US(316M). The UK(63M), France(65M), Spain(47M), Italy(59M), Germany(80M), Finland(5M) 63+65+47+59+80+5=319, for the sake of demographics lets call that even. NOW the deaths on that list i posted by country. The UK(.25), France(3.01), Spain(.62), Italy(1.28), Germany (1.24), Finland(3.64) .25+3.01+.62+1.25+1.24+3.64=10.01 (Damn, thats pretty ******* close!)

Now lets just have ***** and giggles with a number of guns per capita. [url deleted] This number is per 100 civilians. US(88.8) vs The UK(6.2), France(31.2), Spain(10.4), Italy(11.9), Germany(30.3), Finland(45.3) 6.2+31.2+10.4+11.9+30.3+45.3 = 135.3
#291 to #257 - sqivgqxjytfmjonf
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(06/20/2013) [-]
I appreciate the effort but your calculations are wrong.
" This number is per 100 civilians. US(88.8) vs The UK(6.2), France(31.2), Spain(10.4), Italy(11.9), Germany(30.3), Finland(45.3) 6.2+31.2+10.4+11.9+30.3+45.3 = 135.3 "

US 88.8/100 people, right? UK 6.2/100 people, etc etc
You number you gave for the european countries is actually 135.3 / 600 people. (average of 22.5 out of 100 who own a gun from these 6 countries)
Same goes for the number of deaths, it's actually 10.01 / 6 (1.6)

Just saiyan
#267 to #257 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
(Damn URL Deletes. Either way, they were wikipedia pages, easy to search.)

So, apparently the countries I picked have a higher gun per capita than the US, and still manage a lower death rate. Probably thanks to the UK and spain, those calm-loving bastards. Though Finland being so goddamn bloodthirsty (look at those demographics for only 5 million crazy ass whiteys) is probably skewing it a little closer to the US.

Really I have no idea what the gun control laws for these countries are, but I figured I would give a shot to "evening the playing field" because i hate how people use western european countries as a excuse despite the poplation of just one of them not even coming up to 1/5 of the US's.
#270 to #267 - trollchildxy
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Though, in conclusion, if you remove finland, europe shows a much better control over firearms than the US. I would like to attribute an alternative reason for the UK's spectacular numbers though, which is "Island Harmony" and if you go to youtube and search "George Takei: Japanese term "Gaman" - Patience, tolerance and restraint" You'll see what I mean

(Decided to log in LOL)
#177 to #151 - NovermberFoxtrot
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(06/20/2013) [-]
where is that statistic for the US?
#173 to #151 - scio
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Although I agree that guns kill more people in USA, the murder rate isn't that different, USA is not in the lead atleast.

Here are 2 flaws with your statistic:
First: More people are shut down in USA yearly since it has more people living there (around 300 million) where the average western european country got about 50mil-ish)
Second: Since guns are more accessable in USA, it is a better weapon of choice when it comes to murder. Doesn't mean america is more violent, other countries uses whatever's nessecary (hammer, knife, bat etc.)
So though this graph illustates your point it is very misinformative
#63 to #62 - hudis
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Sweden is applicable. Shootings and armed robbery are very rare here, something a lot of people attribute precisely to the strict gun control that we have. Even when there -are- shootings, people don't lose their **** and wish they had a gun; they wish the gun had been taken from the shooter earlier.
Guns just aren't shields. They are designed for one thing and one thing only; harming or killing people efficiently and lethally.
#113 to #63 - didactus
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(06/20/2013) [-]
The guys who even tried to rob a bank or something with a fake AK didn't get mercy, the police shot as fast as one of the robbers pulled out the fake gun, guy died at the hospital.
#84 to #63 - anon
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(06/20/2013) [-]
Sweden has a population of 9 million, isn't bordered with a corrupt ******** with basically no laws and didn't have 300 million+ guns in its borders when it enacted gun control.
#49 to #48 - rdobet
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(06/20/2013) [-]
is*
#27 to #7 - kevinspacey **User deleted account**
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(06/20/2013) [-]
threaten a group of people with an automatic weapon, ****** smart