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User avatar #3 - ghostninjaguy (04/14/2014) [-]
He's obsessed with weiners
#44 - kinginyellow (04/15/2014) [-]
This is what gets me about some of the complaints about better female characters. Real, human characters- of either gender - aren't perfect. They **** up occasionally, they make dumb decisions, they ASK FOR HELP. I can't stand the all powerful girls for the same reason I can't stand OP guys, they're not human. They're robots that can never do wrong or display real struggle.

Seriously, make a girl who isn't a brick wall or a glass pane, make an image of a human being. Hell I've seen better female characters in TDI and 6Teen than some high esteemed writers.
User avatar #85 to #44 - niggledafiggle (04/15/2014) [-]
Hell yeah dude, lately a lot of books I've read are getting stuck with making women ******* perfect and not actual girls. It frustrates me because you can write about a girl who likes pink **** who is a strong person and isn't a macho tomboy but still has actual emotions, strengths, and weaknesses.
User avatar #100 to #44 - capslockrage (04/15/2014) [-]
I think Brienne of tarth is a fine example of that.

she is a very fierce warrior more capable than almost all men, but she still needs jaime to save her more than once, and thanks him for it.
#48 to #44 - neededllama (04/15/2014) [-]
It's sad, but it seems like a lot of good female, and male, characters come out of these shows, which are stigma'd to have ****** plots and writing. South Park is truly the iconic example, as it has some of the greatest messages and characters out there, but is still disregarded because it is, for the most part, rude and crude. Animations, comedies, and children shows will never be fully recognized for their brilliance, yet Moffat with his bull **** seems to be regarded, albeit by a few ignorant twats, as God because his writing is so serious.
User avatar #139 to #48 - kinginyellow (04/15/2014) [-]
Honestly I hate his female companions, they might as well be objects made to get in everyone's way or watch while the doctor fixes everything.
#2 - erpetrich (04/14/2014) [-]
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User avatar #14 - goddamnwizard (04/15/2014) [-]
From my experience with the high fantasy genre, male writers tend to write better female characters (keep in mind, I'm speaking primarily of high fantasy) Whereas female writers seem to write female characters whose sole motivation is the male lead's dick.
User avatar #47 to #14 - youarenotspecial (04/15/2014) [-]
I can't even think of one high fantasy store written by a female to be honest.
That doesn't really seem to be the case in other areas of fiction, however.
User avatar #65 to #47 - nebuchadnezzaurus (04/15/2014) [-]
Margaret Weis comes to mind
User avatar #140 to #65 - goddamnwizard (04/16/2014) [-]
Melanie Rawn is the one that always springs to my mind. The Dragon Prince was fairly well written up until the female lead decided she'd rather be raped than use her magic to kill, despite the reason being perfectly just (to save her husband). Which she had already done. Also to save her husband. Did I mention that her husband also tries to rape her after that little fiasco? Well he does. I had to stop reading at that point.
User avatar #19 to #14 - lillpip (04/15/2014) [-]
But GoT is low fantasy.
#26 to #19 - upyoursnumbnuts ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
But Martin called it high fantasy in the interview.
User avatar #27 to #26 - lillpip (04/15/2014) [-]
I guess. But the characters are more low fantasy, the world is high fantasy though.
User avatar #28 to #27 - dummerbaztard (04/15/2014) [-]
God, who differentiates between these things
User avatar #74 to #28 - wallbuilder (04/15/2014) [-]
People who read books.
User avatar #24 to #14 - derein (04/15/2014) [-]
I agree completely. LotR has strong female characters throughout. Even in older video games based in the Forgotten Realms, there were great women. Every companion in Baldur's Gate was brilliant.
User avatar #63 to #24 - nebuchadnezzaurus (04/15/2014) [-]
Shiiiiiiet bro, don't tell me another person around here besides me played Baldur's Gate... Do you know about Pillars of Eternity?
User avatar #137 to #63 - derein (04/15/2014) [-]
It looks pretty cool. Is it out and/or f2p?
User avatar #142 to #137 - nebuchadnezzaurus (04/16/2014) [-]
Not out yet, it's expected late 2014. No it's going to be all about being old-school, so no DRM, no f2p, no pay to win, no microtransactions, etc. and all-around isometric graphics just like the original Baldur's Gate.
#1 - deezknuts (04/14/2014) [-]
this is new
this is new
#12 to #1 - rasins (04/14/2014) [-]
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#8 - spooniestbear (04/14/2014) [-]
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#10 - waffenmia ONLINE (04/14/2014) [-]
party, wiener party wiener party
#49 to #10 - bigdaddyok (04/15/2014) [-]
Wich episode is this!?
User avatar #53 to #49 - waffenmia ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
its a 3 part episode, the 3 episode before the last episode of season 17
link for part 1 : You need to login to view this link
#54 to #53 - bigdaddyok (04/15/2014) [-]
Thanks bud for the sauce and site

Never new this site existed!
User avatar #4 - ninjaroo (04/14/2014) [-]
Inb4 "Women aren't people"
#5 to #4 - kulamia (04/14/2014) [-]
Too late, they've always been people.
User avatar #41 to #5 - lamarisagoodname (04/15/2014) [-]
people... with vaginas
#52 to #41 - kulamia (04/15/2014) [-]
my favorite kind of people to ****
User avatar #103 to #52 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/15/2014) [-]
This reminds me of something known as Podtaku...
#132 to #103 - kulamia (04/15/2014) [-]
What's that?
User avatar #133 to #132 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/15/2014) [-]
It's a podcast done by these anime reviewers, GRArcada, Gigguk, Holden and Jean. There was one episode where one of them went derpy and called women "people with vaginas" I believe... Or my fever is making my mix up my fandoms again.
#134 to #133 - kulamia (04/15/2014) [-]
Interdasting. I am a person with a penis

Perhaps we should all be people with either genitals rather than men or women. Eh, it's an idea.
#61 - scottmc (04/15/2014) [-]
I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability
#90 - BigDoktor (04/15/2014) [-]
The real reason
#55 - vicecomx (04/15/2014) [-]
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#21 - lolcandyman (04/15/2014) [-]
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#57 - ainise (04/15/2014) [-]
For me, I find it's best to not make a character, but rather make a person. Start with big points in their life, 2-5 is fine. This would be things like traumatic experiences(losing parents, being the cause of someones death, divorce, unhappy childhood, abuse, etc.), positive experiences(first sexual experience, first boyfriend, first kiss, memorable happy scenes with parents, etc.) and the preferences with reasons(hates squash because was force fed it, is afraid of commitement because s/he's been stabbed in the back, is gay because hates the opposite sex, is straight because hates the same sex, etc.). Then build a basic timeline of their life, try to do a basic year by year thing for important years, and finally focus on what kind of person your character is.

This entire exercise takes about 10-30 minutes usually on a quick character and maybe 1-3 hours on a larger piece of work. Not only does this give you a good starting point, it also allows you to have a better understanding on the character you have. This also gives you plenty of time, while you're working on your story, to flesh out their back story and it gives you filler material that many people will enjoy, if you need it. It also makes you explain why your character is the way she is.

This is how I got through my English classes at least. You can knock this out in less time than it took for me to type this out and it gives you far more solid characters.
User avatar #99 to #57 - earlploddington (04/15/2014) [-]
I more tend to start with thinking of a scene in my head and then thinking of what sort of people would be in that scene or who would make it interesting, then from that try to work out what series of events brought them to that scene and why they would want to be there, and where they would want to go afterwards. I've found it helps most when trying to work out a character's motivations and interests, whereas yours is better for general personality sort of thing.
User avatar #6 - sonicwind (04/14/2014) [-]
i dont get it
User avatar #86 to #6 - Visier ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
As opposed to having a female character who's only personal trait is being a woman.
#7 to #6 - IamSofaKingdom (04/14/2014) [-]
I am assuming he means that many people write women to either convey the image of a sex object, a desirable goal or trophy so to speak or they write women as a metaphor of sorts, an image to convey a message to other characters. They are a representation that adheres to a set standard in order to convey the author's intent. George Martin instead thinks of the women he writes as people and has them speak and act as if they are just people.   
   
I could be looking way too far into it, maybe it is just a shallow joke with no real intention behind it. I let my English degree get me again.
I am assuming he means that many people write women to either convey the image of a sex object, a desirable goal or trophy so to speak or they write women as a metaphor of sorts, an image to convey a message to other characters. They are a representation that adheres to a set standard in order to convey the author's intent. George Martin instead thinks of the women he writes as people and has them speak and act as if they are just people.

I could be looking way too far into it, maybe it is just a shallow joke with no real intention behind it. I let my English degree get me again.
User avatar #40 to #7 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
No, you're spot on. Most authors can't connect to the feminine mindset because they see it as something wholly other when the truth is the opposite. It is becoming less of a problem with the younger generations who are being raised on more forward-thinking material but it is rare for someone of Martin's age to be good at that sort of thing.

Fun fact, some big factors that contribute to opposing genders understanding each-other's mindsets have been theorised to be:

Cartoons: Shows like Teen Titans that present female characters as part of the cast and not defined by their gender.

Anime: Both anime imported and viewed in childhood like Digimon and that which is seen over the internet has gone a ways to opening the minds of many.

Hentai: Traditional porn is often dissociative and lacking in plot. Hentai traditionally attempts to connect with the reader through pathos and it is often from the point of view of the female character. The focus laid on the feminine experience of the better-written hentai is theorised to be a big contributory factor as it breaks down multiple barriers other media can't.

Games: Of course you've got your Lara Crofts and Princess Peaches but you've also got Samus Aran. What people often don't grasp is the power of a speechless character. It allows the player to identify more with the character by projecting onto them. Whilst Samus as a character did not have much in the way of personality in the early games she allowed gamers to connect with a female character the same way they would a male one, laying foundations for further development.

Oddly enough it is Live Action that has been playing catch-up recently. The Harry Potter movies were nice but for the most part the action follows Harry and Ron. Ripley is a good example of the medium doing something right but on the whole the most influential genre at the time of this generation's childhood was also the most unhelpful.

Phew. Kinda got away from me there.
User avatar #62 to #40 - nebuchadnezzaurus (04/15/2014) [-]
Have been theorized by you, you mean. It was alright until you mentioned anime and hentai. Hentai helping genders understand each other? yeah, that's a first
User avatar #102 to #62 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/15/2014) [-]
I agree on the part that Hentai is a huge ******* streach, but anime not so much. Anime has some pretty great female characters, if you know where to look.
User avatar #111 to #102 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
Actually, it's not. What you and nebuchadnezzaurus don't seem to get is just how effective that sort of thing is. Most literature is viewed from the viewpoint of a man. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, pretty much every anime not in the shoujo/shoujo ai genres, etc.

It is a pretty effective subconscious force to be viewing everything, especially things so intimate, from the feminine perspective. It is all a matter of who the reader identifies with and in hentai the person identified with is more often than not the female. It's an important part in the argument between simulated and real sexual acts and if hentai is a significant contributing force to sexual assault. The majority ruling is no because in most of the fetishised/violent stuff that is out there the person who is being identified with is the victim, not the assailant.

It's a subtle element to the manner in which they are written that even the writers are probably not all that conscious about, but it does have an impact upon the psyche of the reader.

The problem really is that most people look at pornography as a sort of worthless medium. Something that is simply to aid people in getting their sexual kicks, which it is, but it is more than 'just' that, because of how the human mind consumes literature and just because it focusses around a story of sex does not preclude other values to the material.

It's called hentai, and it's art. Couldn't resist.
User avatar #112 to #111 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/15/2014) [-]
Problem is, real women don't act like they do in hentai. So they don't act like good female characters. Now, a book series I'm reading with some amazing females and other not-quite-as-amazing-but-still-pretty-good females is the wheel of time.
User avatar #113 to #112 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
Oh yeah I agree with you there, for the most part. There are some very good hentai that do actually portray the characters as characters. But the thing is the women don't need to be portrayed all that well for the medium to get across what it does. It needs to place the reader in the shoes of someone other to themselves and allow them to get emotionally invested in them. It happens a lot with Doujinshi where the readers are already invested in the character through the anime/manga and then the hentai compounds upon that through viewpoint. It works similar to fan-fiction in a way, giving a deeper and more intimate insight into certain characters, almost always female ones.

I'm not saying you become a master of the feminine mind because you jacked off to hentai, it is simply a contributory factor.

And I'll have to look into wheel of time. It sounds like a good read.
User avatar #114 to #113 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/15/2014) [-]
It's a 14 book long series. Seeya in two years. One if you're a fast reader.
User avatar #116 to #114 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
I assume they're 'A Song of Ice and Fire' sized books, which makes for a 16 hour long audiobook... biiiiiiiiig mp3s.
User avatar #118 to #116 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/15/2014) [-]
Yeah, around that size. Also, there are like 3 spinoffs. The first book of the series is called "The eye of the world", and I'd recomend you "read" the first 11 before trying any of the spinoffs, to avoid any spoilers.
User avatar #120 to #118 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
I'd read the full series before trying spin-offs. I finish what I start.
User avatar #115 to #114 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
*Buys audiobooks and marathons in a few days due to Easter Holiday*

Get on my level, bitch.
#117 to #115 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/15/2014) [-]
Psh. Audio books don't come with that "freshly printed" ink smell and that musty paper smell... *Shudder* So good...
Psh. Audio books don't come with that "freshly printed" ink smell and that musty paper smell... *Shudder* So good...
#119 to #117 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
1) Agreed. A fresh book is a smell unlike any other. (Except maybe the smell of a newly-opened video game).

2) I don't really have the time to sit down and read anymore. I have too much to do these days and audiobooks allow me to multitask.

3) WHAT THE **** IS THAT .GIF, DUDE?!
#123 to #122 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/15/2014) [-]
Don't be that way bitch.
Don't be that way bitch.
#124 to #123 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
Who makes all of these?!
#125 to #124 - eiaisqzbsesb (04/15/2014) [-]
I, personaly, got them from Tumblr. And just to clear things up, no I don't go to tumblr regularly, only when I need .gifs from popular shows or youtube videos.
I, personaly, got them from Tumblr. And just to clear things up, no I don't go to tumblr regularly, only when I need .gifs from popular shows or youtube videos.
#126 to #125 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
Ah, bro... it was all set up for you.

"I do, and I masturbate to them three times a day."

Or something Pirates of the Caribbean-y.

Here, my personal favourite anything to do with Zelda. Spoilers Ahead - Zelda Upward Shit
#130 to #127 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
We've hit the reply limit. Hope you enjoy the vid.
#88 to #40 - anon (04/15/2014) [-]
**anonymous rolls 6,687**
TEEN TITANS!
Teen Titan's Theme Song, English and Japanese Translated
User avatar #32 to #7 - hackhazardly (04/15/2014) [-]
If only it would "get you" a job.
User avatar #33 to #32 - IamSofaKingdom (04/15/2014) [-]
HA HA! So funny, I didn't hear that all the way through college at all!

I was actually all set to go over seas to try and teach English as a second language in a foreign country but my parents got into a very bad financial situation so my brothers and I have moved back and gotten jobs at home to help them out.
User avatar #58 to #33 - newsmyrna (04/15/2014) [-]
Hey I am doing that right now. I'm in China just getting basic experience, but I made a huge mistake that you can avoid if you want to do this, and that was not getting a CELTA. If you get one of them then you can come over to China and teach in the Universities, which is a cake walk btw. The pay is **** , but the experience is good once you get enough experience (one year should be enough) you can go to the middle east and make a pretty good salary $5,000-$7,000 a month tax free. Also if you can get a masters in English it will really help you out.
User avatar #138 to #58 - IamSofaKingdom (04/15/2014) [-]
Yea I was actually considering getting a Masters first until I found out the cost was going to be nearly equal to my four year cost to get the bachelors ha ha. I haven't heard of the CELTA yet so I guess I will have to look that one up. Is it just for China? I heard there was a specific program if you wanted to teach in public schools in South Korea as well, I used to work with a guy who talked about it. I also heard you have to be careful where you apply in China because some places will abuse your work visa to "persuade" specific work from you.
User avatar #141 to #138 - newsmyrna (04/16/2014) [-]
The CELTA is offered by Cambridge University and it is for teaching ESL, but you don't need it for China. Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Qatar, Kuwait those places require the CELTA and they pay the highest for ESL teachers SA and Dubai pay ridiculous amounts. The reason you would want to get one for China is if you plan on moving on in the career later, because even though I have been doing this for 1yr 6months it doesn't matter places that want the CELTA only care about your post CELTA experience. I've never been to South Korea to teach but I have met plenty of people who have and they've said to look out for the Hagwons. China can be pretty ****** at times the best way I can describe it is they will screw you somehow it just depends on how badly they do it. If you want to get a job over in China or SK make the school give you the email address of a current foreigner and ask them how the school is they'll be honest most of the time and also make sure you look their name up on the black list. Universities are safe to work in and you shouldn't worry about them. Finally if you go to China only go on a Z visa it is the only legal visa and if your boss ***** with you, you can report them to the local foreign relations bureau if you are on a Z visa
User avatar #34 to #33 - hackhazardly (04/15/2014) [-]
That was intended for the benefit of people who don't know that English degrees do actually Get you jobs.At least as well as most other degrees.
User avatar #37 to #34 - IamSofaKingdom (04/15/2014) [-]
I would put them on the lower end because it is a pretty specified field and writing hasn't exactly boomed at any point in recent history. Things like Computer programming, accounting, engineering and such are where its at if you want lots of opportunities.

There are lots of smaller chances for English majors but it is definitely not a top tier degree in terms of numbers or high wages.
User avatar #42 to #37 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
Well, the problem isn't that writing isn't booming because frankly speaking it is, better than any time before. With THREE blockbuster smashes coming through in about a decade, all in different demographics (Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, Twilight) the shelves have been inundated, plus there's the self-published market where success stories are also finding their way in.

So the problem isn't the industry at all. The problem is there are just so many English Graduates looking for work. The writing industry is a pretty lightweight industry in terms of manpower. The only roles necessary to get a book out these days are author and editor and sometimes they're the same person. There are plenty of jobs poking about like advertising for the publishing companies but for the most part they focus on different qualifications so they're all non-starters.

I'm just glad I live in the UK and don't have to pay through the nose to go to University. (I'm still not going though... you think I'd waste years of my life for a slip of paper? Pfft. The current Job Market values experience over qualifications.)

Yeah, not a good place to be in for you. However at least you're not stuck with the -really- worthless qualifications like anything relating to film or drama that doesn't come from a specific film or drama school. Seriously, as good as university courses can be there's nothing that qualifies an actor like RADA or the Conservitoir. At least English is hyper-adaptable in a lot of little ways to pretty much every job you'll find yourself doing.

Just a tip from me, look into technical authorship. The market pays REALLY well and isn't very saturated. It's hard as balls but it's one of the few vocations that is 'increasing' in demand. If you can nail the tech down and get some good contracting work done you could end up landing a good, stable job. My dad's a TA and he is the only one at a fortune 500 company. Works long hours but get's paid like a king.
User avatar #50 to #42 - IamSofaKingdom (04/15/2014) [-]
Pointing out a handful of massively successful series is a really poor example of a stable or booming job market. Just because half a dozen authors hit it big in a decade is not in any way an good indication for those that get a degree in the field. Writing is still a grind of a job and no the market is not booming.

There are plenty of low level jobs available, not nearly at the rate of those with degrees, but that doesn't mean anything either. There are more cashiers and baggers needed than authors and editors but that isn't a "booming" industry.

Since the days before tv and radio, when everything was written and read, reading has been on the decline or at some points stable with a minor rise. It is in no way booming. In fact, the half of my state that I live in closed its last bookstore in the last couple years. That is a pretty significant sign of the opposite of what you suggest.
User avatar #110 to #50 - snowshark (04/15/2014) [-]
What I was getting at is that more people are reading now than most people think and publishers are more willing to take chances on books. The way the market worked in the nineties and now in the teens are pretty different due to the increased demand and the changes to how the medium is experienced.

Also, because of MP3s audiobooks have become pretty big as well allowing even more access to the writing world. Maybe you are measuring the term 'booming' against a different scale to me. I consider the industry to be booming because it is the best time in history to find literature and more and more people are moving towards reading due to those books I mentioned (among others) that acted as a gateway to literature for them. The industry is making a lot of money lately.

And just because libraries and bookstores are closing around where you live that doesn't really prove anything other than those establishments weren't profitable. The question is 'why' they closed and the answer isn't so simple as you'd think. With E-Books, Audiobooks, Amazon, The Kindle, and a lot of other means to quickly and easily access books bookstores and libraries are in decline.

However where I live not only has the biggest town in the area completely refurbished its library so now it's state of the art, it has never seen more traffic which is a bit of a shame, seeing as it is actually drawing attention away from other local book establishments.

The point is writing has changed as much in the last ten years as any of the entertainment industries and the writing industry is moving 'with' the changes, unlike Hollywood which is fighting against them. The industry is doing damned well, the number of readers is through the roof, it has never been easier to buy/access books, and publishing companies are no longer a necessity (though they are damned beneficial.)

Chin up, bro. ****** okay.
#31 to #7 - waffies (04/15/2014) [-]
No no... i think you've got it! The question is: How many people understood his point?...



....Also the other question is, did he go on to explain his point or did the interview just end right there?
#23 - greyhoundfd (04/15/2014) [-]
**greyhoundfd rolled image** Where that comes from
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**TheFixer rolls 87** they come from me
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User avatar #13 - admiralen ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
its pretty funny, considering pretty much every woman in game of thrones is a bumbling idiot
#104 to #13 - anon (04/15/2014) [-]
>Cersei   
>Smart   
   
She's been heading down the road of damnation since the very first episode for christ sake   
She might get points for wild fire, but the rest of the time she show nothing but lack of foresight in every decision made
>Cersei
>Smart

She's been heading down the road of damnation since the very first episode for christ sake
She might get points for wild fire, but the rest of the time she show nothing but lack of foresight in every decision made
User avatar #106 to #104 - admiralen ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
i refer you to comment 18
User avatar #22 to #13 - charagrin (04/15/2014) [-]
In what world are they collectively stupid? Cersei is a tacticaly sound bitch, Arya is a child who becomes a renowned assasin , And even Catelyn was a relatively knowledgeable military adviser.

Just because you don't like a character, doesn't make that character stupid.
User avatar #108 to #22 - admiralen ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
i refer you to comment 18
User avatar #39 to #22 - brokded (04/15/2014) [-]
ok i almost agree. Catelyn is stupid as **** for letting Jaime go. she is 50% responsible for their death.
the kingslayer was basically insurance to prevent their slaughter
#25 to #13 - chibullsa (04/15/2014) [-]
Olenna Tyrell?
User avatar #107 to #25 - admiralen ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
i have no clue who that is
User avatar #143 to #107 - herpderpstrom (04/16/2014) [-]
Margaery Tyrell's grandmother
User avatar #15 to #13 - flameforged (04/15/2014) [-]
Arya, Katlyn, Cersei, Sansa, Margerie Tyrell? What of these, just to name a few?
User avatar #16 to #15 - admiralen ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
arya is a child so i dont consider her a woman yet.
katlyn is legally retarded and pretty much everything that goes bad in the series can be tracked to her stupidity.
cersei fails every time she tries to scheme and is pretty much the first to surrender when kings landing is attacked (not literal surrender but she thinks theyre gonna lose and readies the suicide dude)
sansa? are you for real? all she does is whine about ballads and knights, shes retarded
margerie tyrell isnt stupid, shes the exception, but instead shes a golddigger (not for money but for power)
and even though you didnt mention daenerys i think muh dragons is enough said in her case
User avatar #17 to #16 - flameforged (04/15/2014) [-]
When has failure ever been directly caused by stupidity.
User avatar #18 to #17 - admiralen ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
oh gee, i wonder if her schemes fail because shes stupid and the schemes are stupid, shes trying to contend with much more clever people and cant even tell shes way out of her league (cersei)
#46 to #18 - zekonos ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
When she released jaime to go to kings landing as an exchange for her children, it lead to the karstarks leaving, which lead to the need for the freys, which lead to the red wedding. bam
User avatar #109 to #46 - admiralen ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
pretty much all the dumb **** in the series can be tracked back to her stupid **** , if she hadnt been whining on ned to go to kings landing in the first place half the **** in the series wouldnt have happened, if she hadnt kidnapped tyrion out of nowhere without evidence or reason ned wouldnt have gotten stabbed in the leg, and a lot of other **** too. i mean littlefingers only reason for doing most things is banging the tullys
User avatar #43 to #18 - kinginyellow (04/15/2014) [-]
Failure can easily to attributed to overconfidence, lack of resources, or lack of proper information. Look at history, most military geniuses have had some pretty big failures, doesn't make them bumbling idiots.

User avatar #105 to #43 - admiralen ONLINE (04/15/2014) [-]
katelyn stark and cersei lannister are both bumbling idiots, they dont have ******* a clue what theyre doing, they just assume **** and are always wrong.
User avatar #87 to #15 - herpderpstrom (04/15/2014) [-]
Arya is a child, so okay. Katlyn isn't stupid, but she is unable to think rationally when she gets even a little emotional. Cersei isn't dumb, but she isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is, which gets her into trouble very frequently. It's hard to get the measure of Margaery. Her grandmother is clever, at least. Sansa is seen by most other characters as naive and stupid.
#96 - herbzter (04/15/2014) [-]
Elite
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