Everyone depicts him still being a Jedi... But if he didn't fall to the Dark Side and the like, he would've been found out and excommunicated from the Jedi order. I'm almost positive that Obi-Wan knew the entire time and just didn't report it because he was Anikin's friend and didn't want to betray that trust.
ugh, i hate when people have the same idea i did, but they had it when the content first came out and i only see it when its on front page and i become a poser
Actually he was. He was a practitioner of both the dark and light sides of the force. It was the main reason that Palpatine couldn't beat him without Anakin being there. Palpatine had no way of properly fighting him
you do remember that palpatine blew him the **** out in episode 3, correct? or did you just not watch the prequels?
the grey jedi do not believe in the light side of the force, yet mace windu was against letting anakin join the order because he felt the dark side within him.
It was Mace Windu and Kit Fisto as well as another jedi I can not remember. Palpatine killed kit and the other jedi and then mace windu disarmed him, to which he replied by using force unleash (lightning) and screaming that he had unlimited power.
Grey and Gray are both the correct spellings. There's English, which is what western europeans speak, and Simplified English, which is what US Citizens are taught.
If something is simplified, it was made more simple. American English was what came from some dude sitting down one day and deciding that using "ou" to sometimes make an "o" sound, and an "s" to sometimes make a "z" sound, and for "re" to make a "er" sound was silly. He made it more simple by removing the exceptions to each rule of the English language. There is no ambiguity here. American English is simplified English.
You do know that most of them were in protest to Britain, right? Because, you know, when America was first formed we still despised Britain and Britain still despised us. And there are no rules in English, only mnemonics. The rules were created much, much later after the formation of the English language.
I cannot tell if you're attempting at insulting the fact that I live in America or you do, but the color is literally spelt GRAY, not GREY. Grey is a geographical feature (hence why Liam Neeson starred in his movie "The Grey" and not "The Gray". English, ************ , do you speak it?
Gray being a combination of black and white which are COLORS, not geographical features, is more correct. Colors, ************ , do you know them?
The reason behind it changes absolutely nothing about what I said. I never mentioned rules in English, besides which, you're factually wrong about there being no rules. Every language has rules. Sure, they may have been formalized long after their creation, but we literally wouldn't be able to communicate if it didn't have rules.
I literally said they were formed long, long after the formation of the English language. And yes you did mention the "rules", hence why I mentioned it?
And what is reply space? Is that the number of times you can reply to the same person?
Oh, so I did. I misread my own comment, and as such am a total fool.
Yes, I meant the number of times you can reply. If you scroll down to >>#193, you can see that all the other comments have a "reply" button up the top right, but that one doesn't.
In any case, the rules were definitely defined by the time American English was formed. Words had defined spellings, hence why they could be changed. The rules behind verb conjugation and such would have been set as well.
nah, not necessarily Qui Gon was very close to being considered a gray jedi, but a factor of one is that they're not affiliated with any order of the force, so being part of the council stops him from being considered a true gray jedi
well, there are a few things that you can do or be to be considered a gray jedi, and a "true" gray jedi is just someone who happens to fill all the quota
my entire point is that it's in more than just legends.
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dathomir/Legends
"Dathomir was considered a temperate and beautiful planet by Human standards, with a varied terrain that included coastal lakes and tar-pits, thick forests and snow-capped mountain peaks, powerful rivers and broad savannas, small icecaps and dramatic rift valleys."
sound accurate? it's not. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dathomir
Dathomir was a remote, neutral planet and the home of the Nightsisters. The planet, lit red by its central star, had numerous continents that were overrun with vegetation, forests, and swamplands.
empire at war matches pretty well with the legends description though granted it may have a different appearance else where ... Doesn't mean that legends can't be right about somethings
Empire at war is a part of the legends universe though. There's a major reason why it's seprate from the rest of canon. I'm not saying "hurr there are no grey jedi" I'm saying that they don't call people grey jedi. it's not like a major thing. It's like Dun Moch. A teaching, not a creed.
He wasn't on the Jedi Council. He was a Grey Jedi but he actually didn't like the Council at all. Often defied them. He was the hippy of the Star Wars universe.
Dooku left after qui-gon died, because qui-gon died. he thought the jedi order were assholes for not sending a strike team to kill Darth Maul. Then Palpatine seduced him with footage of qui-gon's death.
Plus the fact that Obi-wan was brought up by Qui-Gon, a maverick Grey-esque Jedi.
Oh and it was also revealed in Star Wars: The Clone Wars he dabbled a bit in romance himself.
I'm aware, but I'm pretty sure he didn't end up ******* her. It's never implied(Yeah I know kids show but come on, that show was pretty ******* adult for kids at times) and mostly just 'dating'
Before Disney went "that's not canon" there was a whole book about how Obi-wan and another Jedi padawan fell in love with each other before TPM happened, but put it aside and put their duty first. She later died during a mission with her own padawan, Obi-wan, Ani, and Padme (yes, she weaseled her way into getting the Jedi to let her help with a Jedi mission, partly because it was a diplomacy based one) during the clone war.
Nah, those are a completely different thing. A jedi that gets kicked out is just an ex-jedi. Also known as a random person, who's force sensitive. Not everyone who could use the force was instantly drafted as a jedi.
Are you forgetting his mastery of Vapaad, which was originally a sith saber style and is the most aggressive of saber styles, seeing as it uses the wielders anger to increase the power of the style.
Grey Jedi was an order that rose up along the concept of balance, but more literal than the Jedi.
The Jedi existed to balance the darkness. They acted as the weight at the opposite end of the pivot.
The Grey Jedi were the fulcrum, they'd settle things peacefully if that was best, or execute the ****** who needed it. Peace was not their goal, balance was.
From what I've read on the wookiepedia, they were not Gray Jedi. Only seen as gray. Gray Jedi call upon both the light and dark side of the force. The Imperial Knights didn't use the dark force, but they didn't adhere to the light's rules. They were light users without the ******** .
You're thinking of the Je'daii, the original Jedi on Tython before the first war between Light side and Dark side
Grey Jedi are simply force users that don't follow the Jedi code or the Sith code, and draw on both the light and dark side of the force. This "Grey Jedi Order" people keep fanboying about, and the code they post with it, don't appear in Legends at all.
Je'daii Code that people altered into that 'grey jedi' **** :
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no fear; there is power.
I am the heart of the Force.
I am the revealing fire of light.
I am the mystery of darkness
In balance with chaos and harmony,
Immortal in the Force.
I never understood this concept. The whole point of the dark and the light side was originally to make a clear separation between good and evil, without any gray middle ground. The OT was an homage to older films where it was always good vs evil.
It is part of what makes Star Wars so unique. Why would they **** with that?
Because when you're writing an expanded universe for anything eventually you have to start adding characters that are a little more complex to keep the story feeling rich rather than it feeling stale
You can do that without completely altering the pre-established universe though. I mean look at Spider-Man. The bad guys are bad and Spidey is good. It works. Yes, some of the villains are a little grey, but they still belong to the "evil" side. See what I mean? I mean Vader also showed some good, but he was still definitely on the dark side.
Spiderman was evil for a bit when he was in the Venom suit.
It depends what you mean with Spiderman because there are characters in the Marvel universe that are good guys but do bad things like Punisher
yoda knows everything except that there has been a sith lord under his nose the whole time. "clouded by the dark side, the future is" ****** poser. Cant beat dooku, cant sense an incoming massacre, cant beat palpatine, too pussy to take on darth vader himself. Yoda is all hype.
That's because Palpatine was the most powerful Sith Master throughout all of Star Wars. He was able to hide his true power from all the Jedi including Yoda.
Darth SIdious created light shows from his fingers as many Sith can do.
Darth Nihilus ate the life force of entire planets.
Darth Sidious built a device that could destroy planets
Darth Nihilus could have consumed all life in the entire galaxy and potentially the entire universe.
Because this is from SW:KOTOR 2, this is all canon.
I doubt Yoda knew, he was very much part of the "Old Guard" of Jedi who thought that Jedi couldn't be people, couldn't feel emotions for others, couldn't love etc etc etc and all that flawed logic that Luke ended up changing after Episode 7 with the New Jedi Order. At one point Anakin goes to Yoda and asks him for advice in regards to his nightmares about Padme suffering (he just says someone he cares for very deeply) and Yoda's response is just "Nah **** her, just let it go, you're a Jedi, emotional attachment ain't kosher yo".
I'm aware he doesn't believe in it, just like the rest of the order, but doesn't mean he didn't feel it. I mean Obi-Wan felt a planet explode from lightyears away. And Yoda felt Order go into affect from again, Lightyears away.
I figure it's more of a "hey I killed the sith apprentice who was waging a huge war against everyone, then I uncovered the sith master and betrayed him to the Jedi even though he promised me power and everything I wanted, so I'm gonna raise a family now unless there are some objections from you ungrateful ***** " situation.
Well, since he was so powerful I think they would try the KOTOR breaking connection with the force thing with him. And this could push him into dark side in a way more interesting way.
that particular skill was pretty rare/difficult, and I don't see them pulling it on anakin.
firstly, he wouldn't let them
secondly, he's the chosen one. would they risk losing that?
more likely, he'd maintain a relationship with the jedi not unlike that of another master, whose name escapes me. she left the jedi to start her own family, but remained on good terms with the order.
Bastila-shan, the wife of Revan from Kotor would be the woman who remained in good standing with the order but raised a family. Her Daughter would go on to later lead the Jedi Council during the war between the Sith and the old republic
nah, wasn't bastilla. the one I'm thinking of was during the last years of the republic, not the KotoR days
plus, bastilla's good standing with the order wasn't quite the same. pre-first jedi purge, her good standing was sorta bought - Revan made a deal with the council not to spread his teachings in return for him and bastilla to be allowed to marry. after the first jedi purge, the jedi were made up of followers of the jedi exile - who quite possibly had a family, and whose leader - meetra surik - was a follower of revan. it was a much more family-friendly environment.
but nah, I can't remember that other jedi, tried looking around wookieepedia for her, but there's too many jedi to go through.
Jedi are known to redeem themselves with strict meditation every once in a while- the dark side is very seductive, but it's not as if no one has ever returned to the light side.
I don't think anakin would have given a **** at that point. he even says after the first battle "I don't care if they know we're married, i'm tired of all this deception"
actually him getting discovered early on might have kept him from turning to the dark side. he gets booted out of the order and moves in with padme from there he either finds work in the private sector or settles down early with the kids and just winds up a stay at home dad
Then again, him getting kicked out of the order would make him super mad and would fall more easily into the hands of Palpatine, thus making the same **** but earlier on.
We all want Anakin to have a happy life, but it's too hard to come true.
Unlikely, the whole point of Anakin was that he was created by Palpatine using the force. There's a scene where Palpatine even tells Anakin of that power
In my mind, these comics are never "what if Anakin had somehow had a family" but instead "what if the Jedi Order didn't forbid marriage". As cool as the Old Jedi Order was, that rule always pissed me off. Sure, attachment can lead you to the Dark Side. But relationship also brings a ton of good emotions with it to: love, self-sacrifice, compassion. In my book, instead of forbidding all attachment and then screwing over the few people that inevitably did fall in love, they should've trained people to embrace the good in relationships, and showed them how to handle the bad. Anakin wasn't the only Jedi to marry in secret, by the way. There was at least one other that did the same, and probably a lot more we don't know about.
. . . And that's why I always liked Luke's New Jedi Order better. Oh, well, that's old canon anyways.
The most common emotion that the Sith impressed onto disciples were fear and anger but it was actually any strong passion that tipped a force user to the dark side. As a force user, your strong love towards your spouse and children would easily tip you to the dark side when something drastic happened to them such as a murder or kidnapping. The light side of the force is in tranquility and peace of mind and this is how the Jedi order trained their members. These are the reasons why marriage was forbidden in the Jedi order and why grey Jedi were excommunicated from the order as these kind of Jedi were easily swayed into the dark side.
the fetts suck ass though
especially kiwi fett
that voice just sounds stupid compared to the original which they ****** redubbed
so now we get lame ass fett in the original trilogy
so i just watched through all 6 movies about a week ago for the first time...i always thought jango and bubba fett were big characters because such a big deal is made out of them. but literally do ******* nothing thoughout the whole movies. the clone one (bubba i believe) literally dies like 2 minutes into his screen time in return of the jedi.
But yeah Boba fought for everything he had and relied on nobody else. His story from orphan to mandalore is amazing even if it's all pretty much retconned now
Boba blames the jedi as a whole though. I enjoyed Jango's story from Orphan to manadalore to NUCLEAR to hermit dad more. Though, I really wish someone would do a "what if..." story with Boba getting killed by Windu and Jango becomes basically the punisher for both sides.
Sauce for comic you're talking about? Got a random comic from my brother about Boba's miscellaneous bounty hunting stories, can't get enough of the bad ************ .
A Jedi leaving a light saber on their living room floor would be like a SWAT sniper leaving their ******* rifle in the living room. You just don't do that.
There are so many times in Revenge of the Sith where if Anakin had just ******* done what he was told, IV, V, and VI would never have happened. For ***** sake Anakin, you are a ******* dumbass but I still love you.
I wonder what Sidious would have done if Obiwan and Yoda proved him wrong
Sidious: Well **** ...Dooku is dead. Grevious is in pieces...canonically in this part of the universe Maul is still technically dead and Ventress doesn't exist.
Seriously he'd be ****** . The Droids would eventually die out and he'd have to continue disguising himself amongst the Republic.
And? that doesn't change the fact that this current canon which consists of the movies, the two TV shows, and any current and future comic, game, book, etc made after april 2014, as well as anything ripped from the old canon like Rakata Prime is just as canon as the movies are. Just because they don't show up in the movies doesn't mean they're not canon in this go around. now if this was 1977-2013, i'd agree with you, but as it stands now, everything is canon regardless of whether it shows up in a book or a movie or a game.
>Besides her fate ends the same way everytime...being slaughtered by Anakin
Okay, but that's wrong. She dies to Count Dooku in Star wars: Dark Disciple in this new canon trying to save Quinlan vos whom she falls in love with , and then she ***** off to somewhere out of the galaxy's reach in the old canon where she presumably dies of old age.
but it is canon (not what you said, but everything in >>#124 is) though. Lucasfilm and Disney have said this over and over again. Just because you say it's not canon isn't going to change the fact that it is, and stating that it's not canon is just willful ignorance and misinformation.
I actually liked Hayden Christianson's roll as Anakin. His whining and bitching made you despise him which led the viewer to think yeah good riddance when Obi-Wan takes him out, then when he is saved you think "Oh I can't wait for that ****** to die."
Yeah but all that whining means that Darth Vader all along is just a whining little brat in power armour. Weaken the villain and you weaken the heroes, like how the Trade Federation didn't seem that threatening when a 12 year old can accidentally destroy their command ship in a fighter he's never piloted before and crashed into their hanger. All of a sudden, jedi dieing to these incompetent fools makes it look like the jedi are even more incompetent.
Making Vader into a whiny little bitch lessens how epic the rest of the series is.
A lot of the problem with him was Lucas' direction and dialogue (pretty much every film has at least one guy that talks about how much they hated working with Lucas or saying the things he wants them to say). People give Episode 3 a lot of **** , but it was a huge improvement on the levels of cringey creep of Anakin in Episode 2, dood. "She disabled the cameras, I guess she didn't like me watching her sleep" "I killed them all, and not just the men; but the women, and the children, too "I don't like sand"
Okay, let's say Anakin wouldn't fall to the dark side. Let's say he would remain a jedi because the council would either never know, or they would just forgive him. I know neither is very likely but still.
Now if Luke would grow up, they'd discover he's a force sensitive soon enough and the order would take him. There would be a lot of weird situations such as doing the trials, when one of his judges would be his father.
It wouldn't I think, because he crossed the council he would never become one of the masters in the council, very much like Qui Gon Jinn never was taken into the council for going against the council at multiple times.
He was a Jedi Master since he was allowed to train padawans.
"He is not a member of the Jedi Council despite being among the most powerful of the Jedi." Is on wikipedia so not 100% trustworthy, and he was never sitting among the council during deciding.
Not unless they are of master level, as the reason why Obi Wan did not get to be released as a padawan in the middle of episode 1 so Qui Gon could take on Anakin.
1 apprentice 1 master.
It was said in the Revenge of the sith. He said that chancellor palpatine wants him on the council and the council said "yes but we won't grant you the rank of a master."
Np m8
I think they would Vader could feel Luka was his on so guys like Yoda and other would likely feel the similarities aswell, and people would wonder who knocked up Padme.