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Well, damn...

oddity:
It' s all Harry' s fault. Well, partially I suppose
Voldemort can be saddled with an equal
portion ofthe blame. The point is, the Dursleys
minding their own business when a
horcrux was dumped on their doorstep. For the
next decade it proceeded to warp their minds,
turning them from your garden variety
insufferable human beings into horrible,
heartless monsters. The fact that they survived
such prolonged horcrux exposure without
delving into insanity or abandoning a helpless
child only solidifies their place among the
pantheon of noble and virtuous heroes in the
Harry Potter universe.
Mic drop"
Thata-. actually does kind of explain an awful lot,
dunnit.
Mind, what we see afternon before the timeskip is not
exactly a pleasant person. That said, wow.
True; still, he didn' t strike me as the fillion Roald
monstrosity we saw when Harry was ten, just a
standard variety jerk.
stand they get less awful the less time Harry actually spends at their
house
Whoa
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#3 - anon (02/25/2015) [-]
Notably, everyone else who proceeded to spend a lot of time around Harry never had any problems. In fact, most of them matured and became better people over the seven years they were constantly exposed to him. Oops, there goes that theory.
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#14 to #3 - anon (02/25/2015) [-]
because this theory is wrong.


Harry only became a horcrux after the incident where harry's blod was used to bring back voldemort. The whole "voldemort can't touch harry until he's mature" was actually just a spell (based on both magic and love, if i've understood it right) cast by lilly potter.


The more you know
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#15 to #14 - gymzim (02/25/2015) [-]
No Harry became a horcrux the night his parents died not when his blood was sacrificed to bring Voldemort back.
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User avatar #10 to #3 - coledunk (02/25/2015) [-]
maybe the dursleys were more effected by it because they were muggles verses everyone else being wizards. there not be any evidence this theory but its what i think.
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User avatar #41 to #10 - penileburglar (02/26/2015) [-]
They also lived with him every day for years, that's a hell of a lot more exposure to you than being classmates at school (even with a dorm) would ever be.
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User avatar #1 - okamibanshu (02/25/2015) [-]
The dursleys had their only nephew dropped on them, with a pre existing hatred for him. The fact they didn't give harry up for adoption i'm assuming was due to the letter left for them by Dumbledore. Had they treated harry like a son, told him his magic was something to keep hidden, but not something to fear. They could have had a loving and caring son, and the stories might have turned out far different. Instead, they lock him under a covered, treat him like a slave, and blame him for everything. Frankly, i'm surprised Voldemort didn't' just sgo 'harry, join me and you can kill the dursleys' I'm thinking things could have gone a whole hell of a lot different. And apparently the original ending for the dursleys is i think the aunt says sorry as does Dudley. They knew THEY were at fault all those years, harry did nothing but be a good child by ANYONE standards. Even including his 'random acts of rebelliousness' that was his magic emerging. So stuff it.
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User avatar #34 to #1 - wiredguy (02/26/2015) [-]
I think you miss the point

being in the presence of a horcrux makes you all evil and angsty and sick, ect

Harry was actually a horcrux
who had been living with them for 11 years by the time the books main plot starts.

this is why they acted so badly
hell Ron (who's like, a main protagonist, hero, Gryffindor) had one for a few weeks or something and flipped the **** out about it.
so they must actually be very strong hearted, deep down somewhere
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User avatar #37 to #34 - okamibanshu (02/26/2015) [-]
yeah but that means by the end of the series, Ron and Hermine would have been FAR from friendly with harry by the end. Amuzen explains it a lot better about how it was part of why they dislike him not fully. either way, read down. We've gone past the horcrux and are now on what was in the letter left by Dumbledore
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User avatar #38 to #37 - wiredguy (02/26/2015) [-]
hm fair enough

I don't know much about it
just from the wording of your parent comment it felt like you were approaching it from the wrong direction
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#2 to #1 - amuzen (02/25/2015) [-]
this post isn't saying they weren't awful to him it's proposing a theory of WHY they were so awful to him, and it actually makes sense.
There's a lot of evidence that at one point they weren't as horribly towards him as they were at the beginning of the books
Before the books
They had him enrolled in school (meaning they didn't always just want to his general existence from the world)
(They got him glasses, which are kind of a pain to get)
they told him things about his past like when his birthday is, and how his mother/father died (when we meet them in the book it seems more like they'd probably just.

and as the books went on they got progressively less awful towards him (Harry believes this is because they fear him, but even after they learn he can't use magic and no longer fear him they still don't move him back into the cupboard.)
plus every major conflict he has with them through out the series is right before he leaves for Hogwarts, the climax of his time spent together with them and they're cooled down by the time he gets back, this also suggests being around Harry for longer periods of times was acting to drive them insane.

The horcruxes work by taking existing negative emotions and playing them up with people. When they first received harry on their door step the Dursleys were pretty justifiably upset. think about it, you just bought a house and had a kid of your own, things are looking up when suddenly you have to look after the kid of an estranged relative, who is possibly the target of a mystical mass murderer, and instead of this kid coming with some sort of monetary compensation for looking after him, he comes with a mysterious note attach containing a death threat saying if you try to get rid of him you'll be in a world of hurt. THAT'S A **** SITUATION TO BE TOSSED IN! I mean the Dursleys were massive **** bags, but their initial reaction to the whole baby on their doorstep thing was pretty understandable, and if they had some mystical compulsion holding that forced them to hold onto those negative emotions, it would make a ton of sense.

This also explains why whenever someone decides they don't like harry throughout the series they always over react and they never really just let it go until he does something about it.
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#13 to #2 - pjers (02/25/2015) [-]
I know you don't care, but glasses are free in the UK if you don't mind generic frames, All Hail The NHS.
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User avatar #44 to #13 - apurpleliger (02/26/2015) [-]
Prescription glasses are still a pain to get whether you're paying for them or not
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#22 to #13 - amuzen (02/25/2015) [-]
I care a lot.
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#23 to #22 - pjers (02/25/2015) [-]
Well there you go, good for everyone.
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#25 to #23 - amuzen (02/25/2015) [-]
not being sarcastic, that's actually something that's good to know, in the US and in Canada unless you're poor and do a bunch of paper work it costs about 100 for the exam and 50 per pair of generic glasses frames, if you want to get a good set of frames though that's another 50.
I imagine Harry's paper work isn't exactly in order (he was dropped on the door step not adopted properly, if he was child services would check up on him assuming the UK is like the US in that regard and if that were the case he wouldn't live under the stairs ) and I didn't realize you could just get glasses in the UK all willy nilly no hassle, gonna have to go to the UK next time I pick up a pair.
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#26 to #25 - pjers (02/25/2015) [-]
we need a sarcasm font, because neither was I.
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#27 to #26 - amuzen (02/25/2015) [-]
I guess italics can kind of be construed as sarcasm
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#28 to #27 - pjers (02/26/2015) [-]
Depends:
Well there you go, good for everyone.
Well there you go, good for everyone.
Well there you go, good for everyone.
Well there you go, good for everyone.
Could go either way.
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#29 to #28 - amuzen (02/26/2015) [-]
wow italics feels super subtle on this site.
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#31 to #29 - pjers (02/26/2015) [-]
That may be a contributive factor.
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User avatar #19 to #13 - mrwalkerfour ONLINE (02/25/2015) [-]
GLORIOUS NATIONAL HEALTH MASTER RACE
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User avatar #17 to #13 - Furubatsu (02/25/2015) [-]
Still a pain to get though
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User avatar #4 to #2 - okamibanshu (02/25/2015) [-]
yes but even the whole 'amplify negative emotions' aside. the dursleys HATED his family. Harry could have been loved. And if you read the first book, they talk about harry like he's a demon. They don't' treat him with love, and the glasses would have been broached by a school nurse or something. As to the schooling, the durslys follow the rules! So they couldn't lie about having another child, people would get suspicious. So you HAVE to enroll your child in school so that's not charity. They don't put him back under the stairs because they learn hes not allowed, not CAN'T do magic. As he showed in the movie 'i've already been expelled i have nothing left to loose' mentality. Add in the abuse dudly gave him, and that had nothing to do with the horcrux. He was just a mean boy picking on a smaller one. The horcrux is just a way to explain the durslys, it may have been part. But the durslys are still the ones at fault, not harry. As shown by the '50 cent piece' even when he's at Hogwarts, the only reason they even cared is because they got a letter.
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#5 to #4 - amuzen (02/25/2015) [-]
Slow down there, I wasn't saying that Harry was at fault, (although admitantly the OP did kinda open with that which was kinda dumb) I was saying it could very have been the horcrux inside hims fault, that's different.

As for the Dursleys 'hated' his family before hand that's not really true, his Aunt was jealous of his mom because her parents loved her more and his uncle disliked his parents because the first time he really heard of them and the magical community was when they dumped their kid off on the family that he was single handedly supporting with not much more explanation than a 'you better take care of him or you'll regret it'
It's no wonder he thought poorly of Harry's parents, they didn't even leave anything behind to support him, Really this is Dumbledores fault, if he had been more straight forward with the Dursleys things could have turned out way differently, there was no good reason why he never gave the Dursleys money to help support Harry, nor is there a good reason why he never checked up on him, or for that matter why he never really bothered to have a good sit down and explain things to the Dursleys. anything they were to give to Harry would directly have to come from their own newborn kid. That's pretty damn bad manners if you ask me.

So they didn't really 'hate' Harry's parent's before hand, they just had bad opinions of them, and for pretty good reason.
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User avatar #18 to #5 - Furubatsu (02/25/2015) [-]
Actually Vernon's met the Potters beforehand as mentioned in Pottermore it didn't go well and he was fully aware that Petunia's sisters was a witch.
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#21 to #18 - amuzen (02/25/2015) [-]
Mentioned in comment #9,
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User avatar #6 to #5 - okamibanshu (02/25/2015) [-]
the book references their dislike of Harry's parents, BOTH of them. And they all knew, save for dudly, what Harry's parents were. Vernen did know they were magical, that's why the tried to stomp it out of him early on. They had a hatred for harry from the very start, dislike whatever you wanna use to sugar coat it. The horcrux can only be blamed for so much. And i doubt the letter said they had to keep him safe or else. Dumbledore being who he was, probably guilted them into taking him.
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#7 to #6 - amuzen (02/25/2015) [-]
yeah they knew all that stuff and disliked them during the time that the books were put in, but we don't know if they felt that way before hand and I sincerely doubt that Vernon knew anything about the magical world before Dumbledore first knocked on his door.
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User avatar #8 to #7 - okamibanshu (02/25/2015) [-]
they tell you about the family's dislike. Vernen may not have known anything, but he shared his dislike about harry before they ever met.
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#9 to #8 - amuzen (02/25/2015) [-]
I think we pretty much agreed with eachother back on comment #6 The Dursleys were bad but they weren't entirely responsible for their shenanigans, I don't agree with the OP saying that it's Harry fault, nor do I agree with them saying that the Dursleys were saint's, I just think their actions weren't entirely their own.

I did a bit of research, harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Vernon_Dursley apparently Vernon did have a vague idea of the magical community beforehand. I dont know where in the books this happened (It could've been from pottermore) he had a conversation with James and they didn't get along because he was pretty much jealous, HOWEVER at the time this wasn't really the kind of hatred he has for him during the books and it's not terribly misplaced because apparently he thought James job pretty much just consisted of being a wizard and was pretty upset to learn that he was sitting on top of a fortune in solid gold for, as far as he could tell, not really doing anything productive for society. I kind of feel like James shouldn't have described himself as a 'wizard' so much as he should have introduced himself as a magical police investigator.

Actually if anything this kind of explains the dursleys post adoption hatred even more, they knew Harry's parents were rich but they were suddenly expected to take care of him with little more than the contents of a single letter left by dumbeldore threatening them otherwise there's a chance dumbeldore didn't threaten them, we're never told what exactly was in the letter that was left with them, but the only two reasonable scenarios is that they took him in because the note made them feel empathetic towards (which seems unlikely to me given how they act like he was a plight forced on their home, and becomes even more unlikely since that would mean that the empathy they felt for him at the time was so strong they were willing to put their lives on the line to protect him later on) or because it made them feel threatened in some manner to a point where they were more scared of the consequences of giving up harry than they were of Voldemort.

I'm not saying the Dursleys are good, or even decent people, I'm just saying their motives are't really misplaced and I feel like the cause of all the bad blood was rooted in the actions of Dumbledore more than anything.
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User avatar #36 to #9 - okamibanshu (02/26/2015) [-]
ok yeah we can agree on pretty much everything now except for the note. Unless theirs something out there, from the author xP, saying what the note said, i don't think Dumbledore would be that much of an ass. i think hed guilt them into it. Through the series he did great at veiled comments, but as far as i remember, nothing about veiled threats.

Off topic, video of Battlefield hardline is going on under this O.O i can't wait!
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User avatar #16 - iamthelaww (02/25/2015) [-]
first ten minutes of the first movie the old ass witch teacher says she observed the Dursleys all day and says they're the worst kind of muggles out there
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User avatar #35 to #16 - wiredguy (02/26/2015) [-]
let's not forget the final books weren't out at the time the first films were being made

JKR said that she only let spoilers out to Alan Rickman, because she felt it was his character who would suffer the most from false presumptions and stuff
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#40 to #16 - godofhorizons (02/26/2015) [-]
>the old ass witch teacher
Mcgonagall is one of the best characters in the series
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User avatar #32 - franklyimaperson (02/26/2015) [-]
Oh yes, totally his fault, he definitely had control over this, assumedly aura of corruption he had since he was an infant, and decided to go there, totally his fault

And man, it totally makes sense right? I mean over time Dumbledore, Herminoe, Ron, and everyone else at the school became insufferable douches, and not to mention Snape, who maintained his bitter attitude and-

Oh wait, that'd didn't happen at all
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#20 - lordraine (02/25/2015) [-]
If that were true, then the people who DO spend a large amount of time around Harry would get worse.

This isn't the case. So no. Interesting idea, but the entire contents of all seven books debunks it in a live experiment.

Also, the Dursleys installed the cat flap and bolts for the door while Harry was away at school. By this theory, they should be decreasing in assholishness in his absence, only for it to intensify in his presence. They would have done it near the end of his stay one summer, not while he was away.
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User avatar #24 to #20 - MrMustacho (02/25/2015) [-]
it could be slow acting, they were with him practically his whole life
outside of them ron spent the most time with harry and he was acting like a jelous douche by the fourth book
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#46 to #24 - lordraine (02/26/2015) [-]
And I guess Hermione and Ginny are just magically immune to Horcruxes, then?

Theory's **** mate, move on.
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User avatar #47 to #46 - MrMustacho (02/26/2015) [-]
they didn't share a room for that time

and it's a fan theory of course it's not true
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#48 to #47 - lordraine (02/26/2015) [-]
The Dursleys didn't share a room with him either. The girls dormatories were no farther away from where Harry was sleeping than the front lawn. And Neville, Seamus, and all the others didn't become assholes. Just Ron.

It's not a plausible idea.
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User avatar #49 to #48 - MrMustacho (02/26/2015) [-]
the dursleys raised him as a baby (held him, fed him)
ron and harry shared a bunk bed

the rest were around him but not all the time and not that close
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#50 to #49 - lordraine (02/26/2015) [-]
It doesn't work. It creates more problems than it solves. Deal with it.
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#33 to #20 - unclewalrus ONLINE (02/26/2015) [-]
For one thing, they're not that reprehensible as people. They're assholes, yes, but as far as abusive legal guardians go, it could've been so much worse.

Besides, they're muggles. **** knows if it would even have any influence on them in the first place.
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#45 to #33 - lordraine (02/26/2015) [-]
They locked a child in a cuboard. Not as punishment. This wasn't time out. That was his room. He lived in a cuboard under the stairs for his entire childhood. His Hogwarts letter was ADDRESSED to "Under the Stairs." The only reason they didn't keep putting him in there is because they were afraid to try it after he came into contact with the magical world.

I don't care whether they ever hit him or not. You can **** off if you think that's not abusive. If this were anything approaching sanity or real life, and not blatantly using fairy tale tropes like Cinderella, both Veronon and Petunia would be put away for fifty to life in any first world country.

**** off with your Devil's Advocate ******** . They were the worst sort of people. The only good thing that could be said of them is that they weren't pedophiles, and that's a hilariously low bar to set.
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User avatar #43 - jokeface (02/26/2015) [-]
As mind-blowing as this is, my mind is zeroing in on something else that nobody talks about.

Harry survived the Killing Curse because of Lily's sacrificial protection charm, yes? So then how was Voldemort's soul able to enter Harry's body if the charm was already in effect? I mean that's 17 years of one vitally important plot device completely negating another equally important plot device.
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#39 - warioteam (02/26/2015) [-]
its a cool and thought invoking theory, but theres too much evidence against it.
its a cool and thought invoking theory, but theres too much evidence against it.
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User avatar #30 - swtorpro (02/26/2015) [-]
That's...not how it works, god damn what is wrong with these people?
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User avatar #11 - puggles (02/25/2015) [-]
one of these days i'll get around to reading 5,6 and 7 in the series. a lot of crap happened in my life at the time and part of it involved the book series so i kind of lost interest/motivation in reading them.
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#12 to #11 - pjers (02/25/2015) [-]
they are worth it, but read 4 again first or all the minor plots will trip you up
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#42 to #11 - anon (02/26/2015) [-]
Spoiler alert! Snape kills dumbledore.
 
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