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#2 - mobilebull

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(09/23/2017) [-]

No Liveleak logo,

#42 to #2 - dankchronic

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(09/24/2017) [-]

whatcha gonna do about it?

#49 to #42 - internetexplain

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(09/24/2017) [-]

liveleak means something somewhere will go horribly wrong

#61 to #49 - avatice

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Youve been jebaited

#50 to #49 - dankchronic

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(09/24/2017) [-]

I didn't call the internet help line, **** off you weirdo

#51 to #50 - anon id: fcd16361

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(09/24/2017) [-]

you didn't call the brain hotline either and God tried giving you one anyway
also
>blocking
wew lad this is some solid bait if I've ever seen one

#53 to #51 - dankchronic

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(09/24/2017) [-]

internetexplain you're not blocked lol, and I don't understand what you're trying to say about the brain hotline and god to be frank.

#94 to #42 - boarderlinegreat

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(09/24/2017) [-]

#4 - twistedcricket

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(09/23/2017) [-]

Good job and all, but I can't help screaming in my mind "Where the **** is your helmet?! Why do you think they train us not to go outside without your cover? This exact reason." Makes me think these are private security, blackwater types.

#5 to #4 - Muppetz

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(09/23/2017) [-]

Those are the Free Burma Rangers and that guy is David Eubank, an Army Special Forces operator, you ignorant slut.

#6 to #5 - twistedcricket

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(09/23/2017) [-]

Ignorant slut or not, helmets exist for a reason, and if he's army he got one.

#8 to #5 - yunoacceptnumbers

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(09/23/2017) [-]

Ah thanks a lot - saw this so often but never had a name to that glorious bastard.

#7 to #5 - mendelevium

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(09/23/2017) [-]

When a white guy in Afghanistan takes off his ****** helmet, you don't tell him to put it back on because 9/10 times he out ranks you, and has seen **** hit the fan more often then you jerk off.

Only ones who wear helmets are POGs and butter bars.

#9 to #7 - MuayThaiFarang

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(09/23/2017) [-]

Infantry vet.
Wore my ******* helmet because I like my head.

Only reason that I got TBI's instead of death. I had the lovely luck of getting ******* hammered constantly in Paktika, Paktia, Khowst provinces, Deh Yak and Andar districts in Ghazni province, and Panjwa’I district in Kandahar, all way worse than our Baghdad deployment was. Cerebrospinal injuries, nerve damage, reconstructive surgery on my left elbow, left wrist and hand, and left knee. Helmets work, ******* wear them if you'd prefer to take a service-connected rating over a grave at your local VA cemetery.

#11 to #9 - dikslapping

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(09/23/2017) [-]

Damn dude did they give you 100% or did they stick you like they stuck me, with only 70%? I was a Blackhawk crewchief by the way.

#12 to #11 - MuayThaiFarang

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(09/23/2017) [-]

Currently in the long legal battle to get them to recognize a bunch of them, actually. My initial rating, while in a ******* WHEELCHAIR, was only 40%. It's been steadily going up as the lawyers nail them though. The math is also super ******, they use a table of insanity. 40 and 50 aren't 90, they're 70 something, and so on.
I'm already priority 1 so I get full medical coverage and all that, "special disabled" designation for federal jobs and whatnot, and extra education benefits. I honestly just want the license plate lmao. I don't get why they give you tinnitus or apnea without question, but my spinal injury that requires epidural injections just so I can walk is an "issue", because it wasn't diagnosed until after my discharge and I didn't "go to sick call complaining of back pain" so it's "not in my C-file" and thus need ******* BUDDY STATEMENTS from witnesses to corroborate that I had a back injury.
Even though, you know, I was in a wheelchair until the VA diagnosed what was pinching the nerves and started giving me injections. My right leg STILL goes numb any time I take a ****. I carry a folding cane specifically for if I have to take a **** somewhere other than home and my leg goes offline for a few hours.

#14 to #12 - dikslapping

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(09/23/2017) [-]

Keep fighting brother, I am still fighting to get my knees fixed. Yeah the ******* system for counting up the injuries sucks. I was working on and crewing blackhawks for 10 years. That was what I wanted to do after I got out. Now I can't even climb up and down the aircraft all day with my knees, twisted my right knee 330 deg torn all but 1 tendon out and cracked my kneecap. They would not redeploy me back to the rear to get it fixed so I was at FOB Shank with a lockout brace on for 3 months as I hobbles on the soft ball sized gravel with crutches then later a cane. I also had whats called cholestiatoma in my left ear got surgery to fix it but I am now deaf in that ear due to the surgery. Now I can't even have a cush crewing job. I still have nightmares of picking up the bodies and putting them on the aircraft after the battles when it was safe enough to gather the dead. But I still can only get 70% which is oddly not even 70% of what 100% of the pay would be.

#39 to #12 - darthan

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Cav Scout here. Don't get why they keep trying to **** everyone over with **** like this. Like, dude, you got super ****** up, and you only got 40?! ****. That.

I've been out for a few years now, never went to the VA hospital cuz I never went to sick call like a dumbass . Pretty sure the only thing on my file is from Afghanistan, breathing in plastic fumes from burning trash.

Keep up the good fight against the VA. Dumbest thing the government did was separate DOD from Veteran Affairs.

Also, if you rolled out without a helmet you're just asking for trouble.

#72 to #39 - Silthrim

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Cav scout? I'm surprised you had enough time to stop sucking cock to type your comment

Inb4 civ FJrs thumb this down for not knowing the jokes

#147 to #72 - darthan

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Too much cock to gobble, so little time.

#13 to #11 - MuayThaiFarang

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(09/23/2017) [-]

I love UH-60's, btw. Hearing one is like seeing the school bus at the end of a long day. I was a Rakkasan, so air assault was a big deal. Well, that and DUI's, and spousal abuse. Worst goddamn unit ever in garrison, but their reputation gives them special treatment.

#15 to #13 - dikslapping

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(09/23/2017) [-]

I always loved picking you guys up and hated dropping you guys off. I hated it when we would be late because of maintenance issues.

#16 to #11 - therealhimmler

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(09/24/2017) [-]

100 percent what? My aerospace teacher was Marine infantry in Iraq and was shot 4 or 5 times. I know it's out of nowhere, but I got interested and felt like sharing the little bit I have to relate sort of. I actually have a few stories from my teacher and him getting wounded. Wanna hear?

#17 to #16 - dikslapping

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(09/24/2017) [-]

It is like being paid disability if you are no longer able to work. It is supposed to be based off of E-6 pay if you were E-6 and below. It will help out when you are having a hard time finding a job you can do. but that is about it. you can't live on any less than 100% out in the civilian life if you have a family to take care of.

#18 to #17 - therealhimmler

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(09/24/2017) [-]

I don't understand, but my teacher said he had 2 ranks or some such. He rambled a lot, like me, but sometimes it got hard to follow, and it sounded like he made it to Lieutenant and and Sergeant. Can you be both? I'd ask him, but he's facing possible time for cocaine possession. Sorry to keep it up, but you're a vet and would probably know, and seem non-busy at the moment.

#19 to #18 - dikslapping

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(09/24/2017) [-]

I am done trucking for the day, so I am just chilling. I was in the army so I don't know much about the ranks in the marines, but it sounds like he was lieutenant then lost his commision. I don't know if it happens like that though. If there are any Devil dogs here they might can answer that better than me. I know in the army it literaly takes congress to demote anyone ranked E-7 and higher. Hope that helps oh here is a link for marine ranks and info on them.
You need to login to view this link

#40 to #19 - darthan

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Not a marine, but all branch officers are pretty much the same. All college graduates, all given commission.

Used to work with a Devil Dog before I quit. Asked him about this since I was curious too.

#110 to #40 - dikslapping

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(09/24/2017) [-]

That part of it I understand it is just how his teacher went from commissioned to noncommissioned.

#148 to #110 - darthan

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(09/24/2017) [-]

They can go Green to Gold too.

Marine grades for their guys is almost the same as the army. So I'd guess the guy went Green to Gold at some point.

#156 to #148 - dikslapping

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Yeah, I know about the green to gold but it sounded like his teacher got dropped from being an officer down to a nco.

#186 to #156 - darthan

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(09/25/2017) [-]

Unless the teacher was in Nam, there's no way he got dropped from Commission to NCO

#187 to #186 - dikslapping

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(09/25/2017) [-]

That's what I was thinking. He must be one of those guys who follow the Johnny Cash song "I 've been everywhere man". I think that was the title.

#21 to #19 - therealhimmler

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Thanks fella! And thanks for your service too. I know vets like to forget war altogether, but I also know a lot like to reminisce. Let me know if you wanna hear my teacher's stories, and if you want I'll tell you what the 2 ranks thing was when/if I find it out.

#24 to #21 - dikslapping

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(09/24/2017) [-]

I just want to know what is up with the drastic reduction in rank. War stories don't really click with me I have seen the horrors of combat by collecting our honored dead and it was bad enough. But if you are interested I have a couple (non-combat) stories from deployments myself if you want to hear them.

#142 to #9 - anon id: 5482abf6

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Now this is an actual badass and i dont mean it in the ironic sense, this guy has balls like coconuts

#153 to #142 - MuayThaiFarang

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Just a regular guy. A Regular Army guy.

Seriously though, what I've seen and done and been through is no different from tens of thousands of others. Each might have a different flavor, depending on the kind of combat arms, where they're deployed, and what their mission is, but that's just the differences between being mechanized infantry on route clearance and being air assault on raids and shuras. It's not really about the size of your balls, you just have to trust your training, trust your equipment, and most importantly, trust the people around you. If you've got a good command structure, and the people in your team/squad/platoon/etc aren't idiots, you just kinda do your job.

#71 to #7 - laughterbirth

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Are you retarded? Like I'm seriously curious if you actually have mental issues that cause you to lack a fundamental understand of what the **** you just typed. If you had ever actually been on a legitimate deployment, and I don't mean some stupid **** like going to Oki or Kuwait, you'd know better.

#22 to #4 - mrwrong

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Y'know Blackwater, before the CEO left, had a better track-record with smaller overhead and ZERO CASUALTIES as compared to the American military? Wasn't like they were doing easy **** either. VIP transport was a mainstay and one that the American military actually made harder for them by insisting on using the same routes with the same vehicles.

I know it's blasphemous to say it, but they were better, not worse.

#23 to #22 - anon id: 14958ecd

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(09/24/2017) [-]

is blackwater gone? i always wondered why they didnt try to get contracts in mexico to deal with cartels seems like they would be a god send and the insane money floating around mexico some cartels have so much cash it ends up being eaten by rats.

#27 to #23 - anon id: 204f2fb3

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(09/24/2017) [-]

They're rebranded. You can still join them under their new name, Academi. Shooterjobs is a good place to scoop a contract. They have pretty high standards though, and strict codes of conduct, including rules of engagement.

#91 to #27 - myjunk

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(09/24/2017) [-]

And I'm sure they tell their employees to wear helmets when under fire

#151 to #91 - MuayThaiFarang

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Actually, not so much. There are great videos of guys like Travis Haley and James Yeager when they worked for BW and whether they wear helmets or not seems to be entirely a personal choice. Haley typically just wears a baseball cap.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDoX8UnQ4D0

#188 to #151 - myjunk

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(09/25/2017) [-]

Does the company have to pay the family some kind of compensation if they die in battle?
I presume the official military might do that, and hence has a strong interrest in keeping their employees alive.

#189 to #188 - MuayThaiFarang

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(09/26/2017) [-]

American military doesn't give ****, nor do most of these companies as far as I know.

What they DO actually offer is really high life insurance payouts. SGLI, VGLI, USAA, etc, can cover up to a million if you work it right. The military automatically takes $29USD a month from your paycheck, and pays out $400k automatically in case of death. Since the operators are almost all vets, they get USAA and VGLI to cover them.
Now, here's where things get funny. I personally opted out of the life insurance, because statistically, a deployment in Afghanistan is safer than driving a car on the highway. You're 8x more likely to be killed by an American cop in a misunderstanding than by mujahideen in Tora Bora.

#83 to #22 - Fgner

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(09/24/2017) [-]

You mean the same Blackwater that repeated gunned down civilians, intentionally obstructed investigations into their conduct, and, if I recall correctly, threatened to murder a US state official?

#149 to #83 - MuayThaiFarang

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(09/24/2017) [-]

They killed 17 "civilians" because they were surrounded, being attacked, etc, they had several guys get hung from a ******* bridge in Fallujah.
If there's ever a time to shoot someone, it's when they're hanging your buddies off a bridge.

#3 - wildredsock

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(09/23/2017) [-]

**** like this makes my dick swell with warm blood.

#10 to #3 - notmuffincannibal

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(09/23/2017) [-]

So an erection?

#111 to #3 - pingun

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Someone picking up a child makes you hard?

#154 to #3 - zanshin

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(09/24/2017) [-]

#139 to #3 - fedoralover

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(09/24/2017) [-]

sick bastard

#183 to #139 - skartheone

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(09/24/2017) [-]

>puts his pony fetish dressed like a baby
>"sick bastard"
>OI U FUKIN KIDIN ME ANET YOU?

#25 - mytwocents

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(09/24/2017) [-]

as long as nobody removes islam from these *********, all tries and gains are in vain in the end. afghanistan used to be a buddhist centuries ago.

#33 to #25 - yunch

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Yeah, I'm sure Soviet occupation, then the American weaponization and funding of the Taliban, then the American occupation of the country didn't play a part in destroying their country.

#38 to #33 - ilikethisusername

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(09/24/2017) [-]

#62 to #33 - yakasuki

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(09/24/2017) [-]

I mean sure but remember that a lot of these so-called arms and funding was leftovers with the soviet union stuff.

You also need to remember that it came down to two choices during the whole spiel, the United States could support the Afghan opposition, or they could simply let Afghanistan fall under Soviet domination.

Not saying the US has no fault in any of this but I do think that people play into this too much.

#64 to #62 - yunch

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(09/24/2017) [-]

I'm only defending what honor Afghanistan has left, as soon my home country will fall victim to the same game, and ignorant people will blame our beloved religion when things go terribly wrong.

Russia backing the genocidal Assad, and America backing the Kurdish separatists for no reason other than to play games. Few Americans know that your media covers up the fact that the Kurds are die hard communists.

But you are right in that it is solely to counter Russia's influence...

#117 to #64 - pingun

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(09/24/2017) [-]

A fellow man disliking the Commie Turds?

I may have missjudged you in the past.

#150 to #117 - yunch

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Oh, I hate commies, alright. It was commies that stole my family's land back in the 80's. My grandad was a millionaire farmer, but when the Assads came, majority of it was consumed by the governm---I mean.
..'the people'.

Then things went down hill for Syria. It became an uncultured pit of corruption and survival of the sickest of heart. I could go on forever...

#101 to #64 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

>admitted muslim
>canada flag
That explains a lot. Either you've been fed a watered down Islam because your parents are modern/reformed and you're horribly misinformed about the teachings or you're lying through your teeth. Take your taqiya somewhere else.

#112 to #101 - pingun

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(09/24/2017) [-]

psst he's actually Morrockan who moved to Canada or something like thart

#114 to #112 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Is that a rebuttal to what I said? Cause from where I stand it just reinforces it.

#116 to #114 - pingun

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Just means the canadian flag doesnt quite pass trough here.

As he got the flag, but he's not canadian.

#106 to #101 - anon id: abea43f0

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(09/24/2017) [-]

LOL. So you're telling a Muslim that he doesn't understand his faith, but you - an emotionally stunted dweeb on funnyjunk who's never spoken to a Muslim or read the Quran beyond a few out of context verses - somehow know all the answers?

The fact that you mention taqiya - a doctrine in Shia Islam that allows them to pretend to be Sunni in times of persecution - shows how ignorant you are.

#137 to #106 - anon id: 75ed238d

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(09/24/2017) [-]

So only Muslims know Islam? Are you ignorant or just stupid? That's like saying you're white so it's totally impossible that you would have researched another culture. Get out of your hugbox kiddo.

#108 to #106 - anon id: 4339bb22

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Oh look, I can log out and pretend to be a completely different person to add legitimacy to my own ********. Telling me you're more qualified to speak on a topic because you're a member is nothing but an argument from authority. Nothing stops me from looking **** up on the related topic on my own.

#109 to #108 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/qura...

Here you go cunt, straight from your own precious quran and historical accounts.

#113 to #109 - anon id: abea43f0

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(09/24/2017) [-]

LOL. Like I said. Misinformed. Your source is literally from a Christian apologist anti-Muslim website. You're more interested in having your biases confirmed than learning something.

The article literally can't even find the word 'taqiya' in the Quran or any doctrines, so it just makes it up. All the verses it references are also out of context. M8, it's a provision that means that Muslims can hide their identity in times of persecution. That's it.

#118 to #113 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

You need to login to view this link

you're so full of ****

#119 to #118 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

You need to login to view this link

#121 to #119 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-chec...

#123 to #121 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2898/tawri...

Not all of these are anti-muslim sites, this one is a very prominent institute and one was from wapo. I'm literally not even reading the articles, just posting the first thing that comes up when googling taqiya. If it makes you so butthurt, maybe you're the issue.

#125 to #123 - anon id: abea43f0

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(09/24/2017) [-]

The Gatestone institute is anti-Muslim. It's not a 'credible institute.' All of them are except for the wapo. Also, you should read the wapo article since it's literally a fact-check DISPROVING YOU.

#127 to #125 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

How convenient, anything that disagrees with something a muslim says is anti-muslim and to be disregarded. Go be an apologist somewhere else.

#129 to #127 - anon id: abea43f0

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Not at all. Richard Dawkins, for example, speaks out against Islam, but he's not anti-Muslim. His critiques are reasonable and measured. The Gatestone Institute is, quite literally an anti-Muslim hate website. They have published fake articles about Muslims and paid for an anti-Muslim preacher to attend to a conference.

#134 to #129 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

The gatestone institute covers a wide range of global topics and is headed by the likes of former UN ambassadors and well known humanitarians. Just because your religion sucks and any site that isn't run by apologists inadvertently publishes articles based on fact against it doesn't make them anti-muslim.

#124 to #121 - anon id: abea43f0

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Did you actually bother reading that article? It's literally just confirming what I'm saying. It's a doctrine in Shia Islam that allows them to pretend to be Sunnis.

#126 to #124 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

No I didn't, but the article is about Dr. Ben Carson who spoke out against Islam. I'm gonna take what he says with more weight than some wapo journalist wannabee

#128 to #126 - anon id: abea43f0

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(09/24/2017) [-]

Man, Ben Carson thinks the pyramids were built to store food. The guy doesn't know **** about anything outside of the medical field. He's not some religious scholar. The guy's knowledge on Islam is comparable to your average Facebook uncle.

The WAPO article has references to hadiths, verses in the Quran, and Islamic history. You can't just pick and choose what's true and what's not because it doesn't fit your narrative.

#130 to #128 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

The first link I posted also had references to hadiths, verses in the Quran, and Islamic history and not just cherry picked ones to spread your lies. I "can't pick and choose what's true and what's not because it doesn't fit [my] narrative" but you can?

#133 to #130 - anon id: abea43f0

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(09/24/2017) [-]

That link used out-of-context verses and hadiths. It also cites an anti-Muslim preacher as a source for the information, which tells you all you need to know.

One of the hadiths that it references as an example of 'Muslims being told to lie' is in the context of the early Muslims facing persecution. The hadith is basically saying that you're allowed to deny being a Muslim and god won't judge you because he's merciful, understanding, etc.

The Quran verse about 'not taking Jews and Christians as allies' isn't some broad command, it's referring to a specific group of Jews and Christians that the early Muslims had contact with.

The whole concept is intellectually dishonest, 'oh, whenever a Muslim acts in a way that doesn't fit my narrative, they must be lying! Taqiyya!' It's literally just a tactic by bigots to smear peaceful Muslims. I'd recommend you talk to someone who comes from a Muslim background if you want to learn, or at least look for a neutral academic source. You're not going to get good information from websites that have an agenda to push.

#136 to #133 - Maroon

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(09/24/2017) [-]

You are so big on "muh persecution." Who the **** is persecuting you? The entire history of Islam is them conquering the middle east and northern Africa through warfare and then raiding and pillaging southern Europe for centuries.

#122 to #119 - anon id: abea43f0

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(09/24/2017) [-]

RAYMOND IBRAHIM LOL. Dude, look that guy up. He's one of those guys who thinks Obama is a secret member of ISIS. I think he's also talked about how Muslims need to be genocided. You literally can't find any credible sources.

Here's the thing m8, it's not a thing. Go ask any Muslim. Go ask any *ex-Muslim.* Most of what the American right 'knows' about Islam is complete ********.

#120 to #118 - anon id: abea43f0

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(09/24/2017) [-]

LOL. Dude, you keep posting content from anti-Muslim websites. Do you post **** from Stormfront when you're talking about Jews?

#75 to #64 - mytwocents

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twist the facts all you want. muhammad was a crazy pedophile killer.
as long as todays islam is unable to deal with the rest of the world without terrorism and violation of human rights, not even able to follow the most basic rules, my point is proven right.

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You keep talking about Islam as if it's this monolithic, singular entity. It's a massive and ideologically diverse faith. You might want to read up on the history of the conflict in the Middle East, m8. It's political, not religious.

#77 to #75 - yunch

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Enjoy the article: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_M...

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oh, canada...

nobody occopied somalia, indonesia, pakistan, nigeria, iran, jemen, saudi arabia, syria, libya etc.
almost all of these islamic "societies" are their own worst enemy and can blame it on themselves.

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Libya, Syria, and Yemen? LOL. Fam, you know that the US royally ****** up those countries yes. You funded terrorists and bombed weddings.

#155 to #66 - ilikethisusername

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ha.....that's funny because Pakistan is terrorized by the same terrorists yunch mentioned.

Pakistan and CIA armed Taliban but now Pakistani army is fighting them. Then those terrorist groups evolved and branched into even more powerful groups.

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It amazes me how ignorant and brainwashed some of these guys are by their 'patriotic' media, when the reality is most of our countries are messed up due to puppet governments and militias funded by the West.

In Syria, we're gonna be suffering that issue with the Kurds for years to come, as they are now heavily weaponized and funded by America. But no worries, America said 'We'll take the weapons back when they're done fighting ISIS', so we'll take their word for it.

#158 to #157 - ilikethisusername

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******** they will take the weapons back...

most of these countries are corrupted and demolished due to foreign interference. the terrorists are more threatening to muslims themselves than they are to the west. terrorists, most armed by the west, are mostly killing muslims and destabilizing the middle east.

#159 to #158 - yunch

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You know what's funny? When the Kurdish separatists movement started in Syria, which is 100% communist btw, the first nation to recognize them was...*drum roll*...Israel. No joke.

It was on the news. Israel gave a green light and approved of it. This was back when Obama was still around.

Come 2017, Kurds are now given tanks, Humvees and weapons of all kinds, including training and PR work from the CIA to...'fight ISIS'. After that, what happens next is...well, your guess is as good as mine.

Divide and conquer. With all the money the West has, they'll spend trillions just to keep the East fighting each other. They know building a Kurdish army will bring havoc to the Syrians, Turks, Iraqis and Jordanians but as usual they claim 'it's just an accident' the same way Taliban coming to power was 'just an accident' and the same way ISIS was 'just an accident'.

We're their sandbox...but their time is coming.

What goes up, must come down.

#161 to #159 - ilikethisusername

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we are indeed their sandbox. but whats worse though...is that our leaders are so easily corrupted and easily fooled by them. money and power buys them. the west can easily implement a new leader in the country and that leader can easily destabilize everything.

i think it's up to us as citizens of those nations to fight for our own country and take it back. i hear people say it all the time that we need a better leader. but no one is ever willing to step up to be that better leader. i think it's because all of us are just too lazy to even try or just too ignorant. sometimes, the barrier for entry does exist but it's simple to break with a strong mind and a strong voice. i don't know if anyone would be willing to stand up and fix these issues, but hopefully one day it'll be better soon as it was before.

#164 to #161 - yunch

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It's always important to be positive. Change will come when the pain of staying the same out-does the pain of change.

That's what happened in Syria. It was so painful to just live another day under that government, that they committed to changing it.

The will of the people was so powerful, that Bashar not only had to get Hezbollah, but now Shia armies from Iran, Iraq and now Afghanistan...whom all failed, and now we got a world power nation fighting us called Russia but we still here lol.

It's all Allah's plan. He helps those who helps themselves.

Each day passes, and the Ummah is more unstable and weakened. Genocides, corruption, fake leaders and poverty...but now the white blood cells are building an immunity and insha'Allah we'll get our strength again.

For indeed, with hardship [will be] ease.

Indeed, with hardship [will be] ease.

Surah Ash-Sharh, Quran 94:5-6

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Moving the goalpost I see.

Simplify it all you want, but facts are facts.

You're just throwing names like they're all somehow connected when it's far more complicated than that.

#69 to #67 - mytwocents

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nobody is moving any goalpost.
the problem is islam. an ideology based on a crazy and dangerous criminal who spread his cult by violent conquests and murdering his critics, rather than reason.

#73 to #69 - yunch

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Factually incorrect. Conquest of Mecca. Look it up. He literally forgave the leader of the Pagan opposition that waged war against him since his prophethood, including the assassin who murdered his beloved uncle Hamza, also forgiving the very woman who ordered the assassination, Hind.

Guess what happened next?

They all willingly converted to Islam and each made their own life achievements after that.

Now if that's not the actions of a forgiving diplomat, I don't know what is.

#115 to #73 - onefuckingskurut

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>because history is not written by the victor and deceit, lies and half-thruths aren't in doctrine for spreading Islam.

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But surely if we glorify violence, hate and unforgivingness...we would write him to have done just the opposite?

See the flawed logic?

Additionally, the conversion of Abu Sufyan to Islam is a huge factor of Islam spread. To claim that is false would be to claim Georges Washington was a fictional character.

Read, read, read history, because it wasn't fictional characters that defeated the Persian and Roman Empires.

You can hate Islam all you want, but don't BS yourself like SJW's.

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I admit that I am not good with history but fact remains that lies and half-truths are in fact what is used when spreading Islam. No sane women would want to be in Islam marriage when she has next to no rights in it. It only succeeds because of deceit and naivete of women.

You have Canadian flag yet you use for avatar a man with Turkish hat, which implies Islam, you are an embarrassment of your nationality.

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I love how everyone thinks I'm Canadian now.

I literally came here to visit, and now ya'll think I'm Canadian.

I'm also not Turkish in any way, but I just love their outfits. Are you a colorful pony?

I say it's important to make a judgement based on knowledge. Doing so based on 'how you feel' or 'what you think' can be dangerous.

People say "Oh, Muhammad was this and that!" yet they don't show proof but instead say "Did you see what the news said about this one Muslim maniac?"

We're a huge religion. The second largest in the world. If we all really did love a criminal, trust me, you'd all be destroyed because we commit to our religion.

Instead, you have millions of innocent, trustworthy Muslims who work, pray, give charity, fast and chill. We're humans like you.

Are there criminals that are Muslim? Indeed. Are there criminals that are non-Muslim? Indeed. That's human nature. There are always bad eggs. Rapists, murderers, liars, thieves and cruel people, but they've been around since the dawn of man.

You speak of half-truths, yet many times European news channels are full of such things, saying nothing good comes from Muslims, when in fact we have countless doctors, scientists and techies working in your countries.

After all, this website is obsessed with half-truths about refugees and 'white genocide'. There's two sides to every story, after all.

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quran.com/9/5

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Savagery, mindless zealotry!

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"And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."

That's the very next verse, my friend.

#174 to #168 - onefuckingskurut

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Same here, leave them be if they submit and get out of our way, move out of their countries. If they resist, kill them.

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Again, context is very important.

Understanding when the verse was revealed and for what purpose during that time is extremely important.

Jumping into any book and reading one or two lines is a terrible way to understand it's full, religious message, don't you think?

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I can't push this much further and you seem unable to advocate this religion much better either. I agree that full context would be more enlightening but world doesn't revolve about Islam and there's much more in play so when I will go and learn something about it, I will always look for more compact info. As long as its sourced, its good.

As far as I am concerned, religion is useless apart from serving as comfort to us in the face of infinity of our unknown. However, that doesn't mean I won't oppose things like Islam when I really dislike them. FYI terror attacks done by Islamists media often try to actually put under the carpet like in Germany.

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corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chap...

>Sahih International: And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

Your religion and culture connected to it is incompatible with humane culture, this religion is few hundred years behind Christianity. Christianity too used to be violent, your religion have much of self reflection to be made.

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I'll give you the full context, so instead of picking 1 verse, I'll let you in on the rest of it:

Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return [to hostility] - then the precedent of the former [rebellious] peoples has already taken place.

And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

But if they turn away - then know that Allah is your protector. Excellent is the protector, and Excellent is the helper.

8:38-8:40

From the beginning, Allah says if they stop, what they did before will be forgiven.

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Context doesn't offer any saving grace at all. Its still the same if they don't stand in our way, leave them be. If they join us, offer them our community benefits. Islamists can just move to other countries, out-breed local populace, push for more laws in their favor and when met with resistance, this exempt gets into effect and warrants violence against non-muslims.

You are, in fact killing other people with this.

#163 to #162 - onefuckingskurut

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

>Taqiya or taqiyya (Arabic: تقیة‎‎ taqiyyah, literally "prudence, fear")[1][2] is an Islamic term which refers to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution.[3][4][1][5] Another term for this concept, kitmān (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.

My rainbow pony has no political or cultural garb.

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Dude, this is strictly a Shia thing. The minority sect which we got beefs with...and they do Taqiya on us. We don't do Taqiya.

Our Quran is public. Our records of Prophet Muhammad is public. We say Allahu Akbar every day in our mosques for all to hear and know what we believe in.

We got nothing to hide and we're told not to hide our religion.

Taqiya arose among the Shia, when fearing persecution from Sunnis, so they're permitted to 'pretend to be Sunni' and pray with us. I've lived among them for 7 years and I know this.

Also, everybody knows Fluttershy is better than RD. ;)

#169 to #167 - indonesia

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you know, besides all these chaos, I'm glad there's always someone who defend our religion. I stopped care when they just strawman every argument out of me. but seeing you like this, I think I will did the same as you.
thanks, brother.

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Thank you for your words, brother. May Allah keep us firm.

I know it's hard, but when you get used to it, and have the truth to back it up, their arguments always melt away.

And we're all human, and even I get angry, but always use reason as Prophet Muhammad did. His compassion and cool composure was what made him such a powerful leader and role model.

Alhamdulilah for Islam.

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As I said, I am not that well versed. You may be right. But you can see how easy it makes it for me to paint Islam as violent and backwards religion. Don't be surprised when people hate Islam. On top of that, people with your religion get often manipulated into carrying out (someone's) special interests.

I don't know whats agenda of your people is but be aware that stupid militants get tricked by (them) the easiest. You will be controlled or subdued and your religion and teachings continued to be hijacked like how Shia's teaching is.

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To this I agree with you 100%.

Muslims are not in a great position right now.

Media freaks out, so people freak out, then ignorant Muslims freak out and start doing stuff in 'self defense'...but it actually comes off as cruel, which it is, and evil.

These extremists are a minority, but they're definitely attracting a lot of attention and giving Islam a bad name.

However, if you have the time and patience, I would wish for you to read the Quran fully.

Mute the noise and the gossip and the shouting from media and people, and just read a book.

From the first pages to the last, it promotes inner peace, understanding of the world, and the truth that there is a God watching and his prophets worked hard to reveal his messages, from Moses, to Jesus and finally Muhammad, peace be upon them all.

That good people will be rewarded, and evil will be punished.

People who are impatient and cruel at heart will, just like with any ideology, take things out of context to make themselves powerful.

But I was raised a Muslim from my birth, and all my friends and family are passive.

My mother actually converted to Islam and got married. She loved everything it taught and she wouldn't hurt a fly.

I don't want to take too much of your time, but if you want more knowledge about what majority Muslims actually follow, watching videos from people like Mufti Menk, Omar Suleiman or Nouman Ali Khan. Public speakers who clarify all the verses and meanings of Quranic verse and Hadeeth.

I hope you persist on looking or the truth, and I thank you for being civil about this.

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get your facts straight bud, the gulf war started as a direct action from soviets supplying them with arms, then we ended up leaving ordinance etc when we pulled out, we didnt ever supply anyone with arms except iran after we toppled saddam. you are stupid and your comment is evidence of that

#35 to #34 - yunch

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Afghanistan had nothing to do with the Gulf War, man.

#80 to #25 - jouten

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Well how are you supposed to get rid if Islam if the US keeps killing everyone who makes an effort to surpress it?

#79 to #25 - efeye

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Fun fact: atheists are automatically classified as terrorists in Saudi Arabia.

#98 to #79 - skartheone

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but atheists are terrorists o.O

#59 to #25 - battlebrotherfox

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Removing islam is no that easy. That one time when Afghanistan's government tried removing islam, US went nuts and started supporting jihadist with money, weapons and mercs, saying that killing infedels is just another sort of freedom.

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"Afghanistan's government tried removing Islam" - fam, what are you even talking about?

#107 to #104 - battlebrotherfox

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One of the reasons of that war that started in 1979 was government's attept to take power away from imams.

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There was also a dynasty that had an off-shoot Hindu religion that worshiped the sun. it's called Zunbil

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What a ******* retarded comment. Yeah, Afghanistan used to be Buddhist. A THOUSAND YEARS AGO. Every country that's Christian also used to be non-Christian.

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random question for those who have seen active combat. is this what some of it actually looks like?

it just doesnt look right with the clothing they are wearing, the AKs around an abram tank, running out in the open like that?, seemingly standing out in the open, etc.

only real combat footage iv seen is WW1 stuff, random clips of Japanese kamikazes in the pacific, and tons of fire from bombing runs in Vietnam. no idea what "modern" combat looks like.

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Looks like PMCs, the mixed races, the use of AKs, the civvy clothing mixed with military hardware makes me think these guys are mercenaries.

#52 to #47 - graywolffour

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>>#45,

would these guys be considered the good guys or baddies? (as in do they do ****** up stuff for corporations or they only do reasonable things)

#54 to #52 - cinosameerf

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They're part of the Free Burma Rangers. They do a lot of humanitarian aid missions and are a volunteer paramilitary force that fights oppressive organizations and regimes.
So yeah I think Free Burma Ranger is a pretty cool guy, eh kills trerorists and doesn't afraid of anything.

#56 to #54 - graywolffour

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sounds like a cool group, however i hope they dont supply too much aid.

big problem i noticed is that providing aid means they dont need to develop them selves and they just grow in population as they get more and more food/supplies.

also strange that they got their hands on Abrams.. not something i expect anything but the US military to have in their arsenal, hell even japan/korea have their own tanks.

#57 to #56 - cinosameerf

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They work in conjunction with locals and provide support as well as training in several different fields.
You should check out the site.
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#45 to #43 - cinosameerf

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These guys are private military contractors. They're basically mercenaries.

#44 to #43 - grubbly

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War is chaos, Americans are succesful in war because they too, are a chaotic people.

#55 to #43 - cinosameerf

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Here's an excerpt and a link to another news article on this specific incident
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#63 - lordpain

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Poor little girls husband is probably worried sick.

#84 to #63 - yabai

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Hopefully hes dead

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#41 - pwnfrnzy

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> Try

#30 - shisno

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>seeing the tracer fly past

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It was a tracer from his rifle.

#32 to #30 - jengafag

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it seemed like a tracer from his own semi-auto, right?

#74 - Customer Services

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I just had a thought how disatrous it would have been if the insurgents had strapped a hidden IED on her. That's something these assholes would be willing to do.

#28 - solarisofcelestia

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Well done