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thechosentroll (01/10/2016) [-] You sure they didn't actively cultivate hemp? You know, that stuff you use to make thread out of, which can be used to make ship ropes and clothes for the cold-ass winters? Because, contrary to popular belief, vikings never wore leather or pelts. They wore perfectly normal clothes made of cloth, often died in bright colors like blue, yellow or green. Since most of them couldn't afford mail armor, they'd often just go into battle wearing those everyday clothes, so a viking raiding party was actually surprisingly bright and colorful for something that's about to murder you. Like a clown with a machete.
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johnnydotondotca (01/10/2016) [-]
"Hemp is not to be confused with the close relative of the herb Cannabis which is widely used as a drug, commonly known as marijuana. "
straight from the second paragraph of the wiki page. hemp is the proper nomenclature for hemp (amazing.)
also:
sciencenordic.com/norwegian-vikings-grew-hemp
its literally hemp that they grew. it seems that this information came from a click-bait type artical and so i looked into more things:
"On one hand, a woman was, by law, under the authority of her husband or father. She had only limited freedom to dispose of property belonging to her. She was prohibited from participating in most political or governmental activities. She could not be a goði (chieftain). She could not be a judge. She could not be a witness. She could not speak at þing (assemblies).On the other hand, women were respected in Norse society and had great freedom, especially when compared to other European societies of that era. They managed the finances of the family. They ran the farm in their husband's absence. In widowhood, they could be rich and important landowners. The law protected women from a wide range of unwanted attention. Grágás (K 155) lists penalties for offences ranging from kissing to intercourse."
as found here:
www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/society/text/women.htm
it seems that this information portrayed in this post is filled with half truths and misnomers. i incurrage more people to do independent research on the other topics discussed because im done typing
straight from the second paragraph of the wiki page. hemp is the proper nomenclature for hemp (amazing.)
also:
sciencenordic.com/norwegian-vikings-grew-hemp
its literally hemp that they grew. it seems that this information came from a click-bait type artical and so i looked into more things:
"On one hand, a woman was, by law, under the authority of her husband or father. She had only limited freedom to dispose of property belonging to her. She was prohibited from participating in most political or governmental activities. She could not be a goði (chieftain). She could not be a judge. She could not be a witness. She could not speak at þing (assemblies).On the other hand, women were respected in Norse society and had great freedom, especially when compared to other European societies of that era. They managed the finances of the family. They ran the farm in their husband's absence. In widowhood, they could be rich and important landowners. The law protected women from a wide range of unwanted attention. Grágás (K 155) lists penalties for offences ranging from kissing to intercourse."
as found here:
www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/society/text/women.htm
it seems that this information portrayed in this post is filled with half truths and misnomers. i incurrage more people to do independent research on the other topics discussed because im done typing
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theism ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp
Hemp is a variety of canabis cultivated for industrial purposes with a very low thc content. It's the same species of plant.
Hemp is a variety of canabis cultivated for industrial purposes with a very low thc content. It's the same species of plant.
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Mecuniv (01/10/2016) [-] "Hemp (from Old English hænep) is a commonly used term for high-growing industrial varieties of the Cannabis plant and its products, which include fiber, oil, and seed. Hemp is refined into products such as hemp seed foods, hemp oil, wax, resin, rope, cloth, pulp, paper, and fuel."
From the FIRST paragraph. So that statement in the second paragraph does not even make sense. =/
From the FIRST paragraph. So that statement in the second paragraph does not even make sense. =/
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johnnydotondotca (01/10/2016) [-]
huh, under further review i find that hemp and cannabis is to be from the same plant, with genetics and breading being the main differences in said plants. finding this information you can attribute the similarities to the same relationship different breeds of dogs have, yet remaining dogs all the same.
i guess its like a man calling a german shepherd a mastiff but that does not a mastiff make. and with the language used in the post above it seems to indicate that vikings used cannabis, not hemp, which is incorrect. the correct term is hemp, the stock which can be used for clothing, paper, building supplies, and fuel. unlike the name cannabis, which is what 27 year old burnouts who live in their parents basement, eating the last fiber one bar out of the pantry smoke to let them not have to think so hard while watching family guy on netflix, instead of at least washing the ******* dishes.
source
www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/perfect-plant-7-great-uses-for-industrial-hemp.html
www.alternet.org/drugs/whats-difference-between-hemp-and-marijuana
hempethics.weebly.com/industrial-hemp-vs-cannabis.html
www.leafscience.com/2014/09/16/5-differences-hemp-marijuana/
thecanyonmalibu.com/blog/10-signs-of-marijuana-addiction/
i guess its like a man calling a german shepherd a mastiff but that does not a mastiff make. and with the language used in the post above it seems to indicate that vikings used cannabis, not hemp, which is incorrect. the correct term is hemp, the stock which can be used for clothing, paper, building supplies, and fuel. unlike the name cannabis, which is what 27 year old burnouts who live in their parents basement, eating the last fiber one bar out of the pantry smoke to let them not have to think so hard while watching family guy on netflix, instead of at least washing the ******* dishes.
source
www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/perfect-plant-7-great-uses-for-industrial-hemp.html
www.alternet.org/drugs/whats-difference-between-hemp-and-marijuana
hempethics.weebly.com/industrial-hemp-vs-cannabis.html
www.leafscience.com/2014/09/16/5-differences-hemp-marijuana/
thecanyonmalibu.com/blog/10-signs-of-marijuana-addiction/
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landartheconqueror (01/10/2016) [-] just curious, where'd you learn that they didn't wear pelt? i'd imagine pelt would be a priority in the frozen-ass scandanavian countries
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thechosentroll (01/10/2016) [-] Because there's there's no historic evidence of vikings wearing pelts in their daily lives. Very rarely, certain badasses would wear a bear pelt just to seem more intimidating, but pretty much every depiction of vikings shows them as wearing cloth.
And it just makes sense. Cloth is relatively easy to make in large quantities and has many uses, including making ship ropes and sails, which were pretty ******* important for vikings. Pelts, on the other hand, are a bitch to get, since you have to go out of your way to hunt down a large number of animals. And not every animal has a nice pelt. Most of the really nice, warm ones are made from foxes, beavers or those little weasel-like things. I forget their name. You needed a LOT of the little bastards to make a single coat, which usually means you had to breed them yourself and raise them like livestock, which would take ******* forever and be really impractical, because you had to feed them and in the time it would take for enough to mature and be killed and made into a coat, you could grow enough hemp or linen to dress and entire village. Also, vikings really liked wearing socks and you can't make hide socks. Also also, they really liked wearing brightly colored clothing, decorated with stitching. It was actually the fashion of the time pretty much everywhere. Much like today, people have always liked looking different and interesting. The Hollywood representation of middle-age Europe, where everyone's a dirty peasant in brown is pretty unrealistic.
And it just makes sense. Cloth is relatively easy to make in large quantities and has many uses, including making ship ropes and sails, which were pretty ******* important for vikings. Pelts, on the other hand, are a bitch to get, since you have to go out of your way to hunt down a large number of animals. And not every animal has a nice pelt. Most of the really nice, warm ones are made from foxes, beavers or those little weasel-like things. I forget their name. You needed a LOT of the little bastards to make a single coat, which usually means you had to breed them yourself and raise them like livestock, which would take ******* forever and be really impractical, because you had to feed them and in the time it would take for enough to mature and be killed and made into a coat, you could grow enough hemp or linen to dress and entire village. Also, vikings really liked wearing socks and you can't make hide socks. Also also, they really liked wearing brightly colored clothing, decorated with stitching. It was actually the fashion of the time pretty much everywhere. Much like today, people have always liked looking different and interesting. The Hollywood representation of middle-age Europe, where everyone's a dirty peasant in brown is pretty unrealistic.
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huva (01/10/2016) [-]
i used to have hide socks and hide shoes, who the **** told you you cant have hide socks? You just need to treat it differently, and get it from an animal with thin hide. Also im a sami, so thats why i would have such a thing. If you dont know what sami, is google it.
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anon (01/10/2016) [-] Don't you mean "some of the bodies buried with weapons in that one place are female"? This **** is clickbait ******** of the highest order.
www.missedinhistory.com/blog/raining-on-your-parade-about-those-women-viking-warriors/
www.missedinhistory.com/blog/raining-on-your-parade-about-those-women-viking-warriors/
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coffeehero (01/10/2016) [-]
I don't think that pic refers to what you're linking to.
I'm not saying the pic is right, though.
I'm not saying the pic is right, though.
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youngchief ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] Being buried with weapons doesn't necessarily mean that the deceased used them in life, they are also a symbol of status. This goes for men and women
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theruinedsage (01/10/2016) [-] Like cannabis, which was discovered in Mongolia in the 20th century, being grown by my ancestors?
No
Either show me proof, or it's ******** . Far as I know, most of these are half truths.
No
Either show me proof, or it's ******** . Far as I know, most of these are half truths.
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kingpongthedon (01/10/2016) [-]
Where are you getting that date? The closest thing I can find is that people discovered that there are different species of cannabis around then but they didn't discover cannabis then. Cannabis has a long history in the West, especially in seagoing societies. Cannabis fiber, i.e. hemp, was one of the most popular materials for sails and rope. In fact, the word "canvas" is derived from "cannabis."
Anyway, here's the excerpt from Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis :
History of cannabis
Cannabis sativa appears naturally in many tropical and humid parts of the world. Its use as a mind-altering drug has been documented by archaeological finds in prehistoric societies in Euro-Asia and Africa.[36]
The oldest written record of cannabis usage is the Greek historian Herodotus's reference to the central Eurasian Scythians taking cannabis steam baths.[37] His (c. 440 BCE) Histories records, "The Scythians, as I said, take some of this hemp-seed [presumably, flowers], and, creeping under the felt coverings, throw it upon the red-hot stones; immediately it smokes, and gives out such a vapour as no Grecian vapour-bath can exceed; the Scyths, delighted, shout for joy."[38] Classical Greeks and Romans were using cannabis, while in the Middle East, use spread throughout the Islamic empire to North Africa. In 1545 cannabis spread to the western hemisphere where Spaniards imported it to Chile for its use as fiber. In North America cannabis, in the form of hemp, was grown for use in rope, clothing and paper.[39][40][41][42]
Anyway, here's the excerpt from Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis :
History of cannabis
Cannabis sativa appears naturally in many tropical and humid parts of the world. Its use as a mind-altering drug has been documented by archaeological finds in prehistoric societies in Euro-Asia and Africa.[36]
The oldest written record of cannabis usage is the Greek historian Herodotus's reference to the central Eurasian Scythians taking cannabis steam baths.[37] His (c. 440 BCE) Histories records, "The Scythians, as I said, take some of this hemp-seed [presumably, flowers], and, creeping under the felt coverings, throw it upon the red-hot stones; immediately it smokes, and gives out such a vapour as no Grecian vapour-bath can exceed; the Scyths, delighted, shout for joy."[38] Classical Greeks and Romans were using cannabis, while in the Middle East, use spread throughout the Islamic empire to North Africa. In 1545 cannabis spread to the western hemisphere where Spaniards imported it to Chile for its use as fiber. In North America cannabis, in the form of hemp, was grown for use in rope, clothing and paper.[39][40][41][42]
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theruinedsage (01/10/2016) [-] I was thinking weed
I have very little difficulty believing that they made hemp.
I have very little difficulty believing that they made hemp.
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kingpongthedon (01/10/2016) [-]
They probably grew psychoactive cannabis to a limited extent. Most of Europe has at some time or another. The Vikings in particular had strong commercial ties to the Middle East where marijuana use, particularly hashish, was fairly common. They would have certainly come into contact with it and I'm positive at least a few people would have brought back some seeds or plants. Obviously the Scandinavian climate wouldn't allow for large-scale marijuana farming but it's a hardy plant and can grow most anywhere. Given the Vikings' well-documented use of other mind-altering substances, I'd be surprised if there weren't at least a couple of guys trying to grow some pot.
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theruinedsage (01/10/2016) [-] That's not how it works you gigantic moron
"I cured cancer with saline!"
"Prove it"
"No I don't have to, just look it up yourself!"
If you make a statement, you ******* prove it yourself. It's not my ******* job to look up things that people say on the internet, it's their ******* job if they want what they say to have any credibility.
All I ask for is proof of what a RANDOM person said on the INTERNET. If you expect me to blindly believe total strangers, you're an idiot.
"I cured cancer with saline!"
"Prove it"
"No I don't have to, just look it up yourself!"
If you make a statement, you ******* prove it yourself. It's not my ******* job to look up things that people say on the internet, it's their ******* job if they want what they say to have any credibility.
All I ask for is proof of what a RANDOM person said on the INTERNET. If you expect me to blindly believe total strangers, you're an idiot.
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theruinedsage (01/10/2016) [-] It's my mistake, thing is that cannabis means both hemp, which is a plant with strong fibers, and weed.
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Faz (01/10/2016) [-] sciencenordic.com/norwegian-vikings-grew-hemp
thornews.com/2015/05/15/norwegian-vikings-cultivated-hemp/
theforeigner.no/pages/columns/the-viking-drug-mystery-explored/
Decide yourself how valid these are but it took me 5 seconds on google to find this, instead of calling ******** on sources its a lot easier to just google and not look like a knob.
thornews.com/2015/05/15/norwegian-vikings-cultivated-hemp/
theforeigner.no/pages/columns/the-viking-drug-mystery-explored/
Decide yourself how valid these are but it took me 5 seconds on google to find this, instead of calling ******** on sources its a lot easier to just google and not look like a knob.
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theruinedsage (01/10/2016) [-] Cannabis is a common denominator name for hemp and marijuana, most commonly used for the latter
The image in question implies they cultivated weed, not hemp. But yeah, cannabis means both, didn't know that.
The image in question implies they cultivated weed, not hemp. But yeah, cannabis means both, didn't know that.
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deutschblut ONLINE (22 hours ago) [-] It's OK. Green thumbs for being cool and learning!
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theruinedsage (01/11/2016) [-] Since I didn't know cannabis was the name of the plant family containing both hemp and weed.
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komandantmirkoo (01/10/2016) [-] actually a lot of what we know about vikings comes from the sagas which were written like 200-300 years later by christian monks who were still salty that the vikings often raided their **** .
so in truth a lot of stuff is probably biased as hell and not factual at all.
so in truth a lot of stuff is probably biased as hell and not factual at all.
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theruinedsage (01/10/2016) [-] "if you want sources, find them yourself"
That's the most moronic idea ever. You make a statement, you back it up yourself or you **** off.
That's the most moronic idea ever. You make a statement, you back it up yourself or you **** off.
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theruinedsage (01/11/2016) [-] So everyone should know everything on the internet?
Seriously, you don't see what a stupid idea that is?
If everyone already knew these things, why would he put it in a fact comp?
the idea that people should look up facts themselves is cancerous, if you think that's how things should work then good thing you waste your life on the internet, because that **** won't fly in the real world.
Seriously, you don't see what a stupid idea that is?
If everyone already knew these things, why would he put it in a fact comp?
the idea that people should look up facts themselves is cancerous, if you think that's how things should work then good thing you waste your life on the internet, because that **** won't fly in the real world.
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deutschblut ONLINE (21 hours ago) [-] I don't have to look things things up.
I already know them.
And in the real world you don't have a conversation with someone and blurt out "Oh yeah? What web page is it on?!"
The internet has only been around a short time. What do you think people did before there were websites?
Besides, why do you believe something, just because it is online? FJ is online. Does that make this site the source of all knowledge?
I already know them.
And in the real world you don't have a conversation with someone and blurt out "Oh yeah? What web page is it on?!"
The internet has only been around a short time. What do you think people did before there were websites?
Besides, why do you believe something, just because it is online? FJ is online. Does that make this site the source of all knowledge?
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theruinedsage (01/10/2016) [-] Then don't expect me, or anyone else with a brain, to take you seriously.
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anon (01/10/2016) [-]
Nah, just half-truths. Eirik Raude wasn't "Too violent", his dad got exiled from Norway when he was a kid. Later on his thralls managed to avalanchify his neighbour, who promptly killed the thralls for wrecking his farm, which led to Eirik killing that guy and having to move. Then he managed to start a fight over some benches he'd lent to some guy, and in the ensuing battle two of that guy's sons died. Which got him exiled, because **** .
Then he went and settled a place some other guy kinda saw one time.
Then he went and settled a place some other guy kinda saw one time.
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anon (01/10/2016) [-]
Icelander here, the whole bear thing is completely false. Never in any records have there been mentions of domesticated bears in Iceland. The closest story related to that is in one saga where some Icelanders trapped a polar bear to bring as a gift to the king of Norway.
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chokebee (01/10/2016) [-]
There is some evidence that OP is a faggot.
I might be wrong though, no historical proof to back this claim up.
Oh well.
I might be wrong though, no historical proof to back this claim up.
Oh well.
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rakaka (01/10/2016) [-] "Viking" is an occupation. Those who went on boats pillaging were "vikingr". It is not the name of an entire culture.
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deutschblut ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] That's racist.
Vikings were not pillagers.
They were tradesmen.
Vikings were not pillagers.
They were tradesmen.
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pingun ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-] didnt Viking also mean something like "going on a sea voyage" or "Sailing" overall? Like just going on a boat for any kind of reason or such? Theres afterall three different langue zones for the old nordic langues and all the hundreds of different dialects from every village/town to the next one. so Im getting curious.
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anon (01/10/2016) [-]
There's a few theories. It's either related to the word for "bay" Vik , as they sailed out from bays, the old name for the coast near Oslo Viken , or according to Else Roehdahl it's a west-nordic word that meant something along the lines of pirate or sea warrior.
In the sagas it was mainly used about the guys going to war across the sea.
In the sagas it was mainly used about the guys going to war across the sea.
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prozacjellybeans (01/10/2016) [-] Leave out the Biertzerker then. More commonly known as Berserkers, they'd get ****** up on shrooms and listen to Korpiklaani charge over the bows of their ships, often drowning, driven into a battle rage by the hallucinogens. To be entirely honest, as ironic as the intention may have been, OP's mention of the TV series Vikings is quite useful, as the show is not only accurate (to a degree) but also informative. 10/10 wouldwatch again with Finnish grandpa. He'd be proud
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thechosentroll (01/10/2016) [-] Haven't watched that show, but I have to ask. How many people are there in it who wear leather (especially black leather) or clothing, which looks it had a bunch of metal rings sown onto it? Because if the answer is 0, it may possibly be the first time hollywood's depicted vikings in a non-retarded way. If not, please tell me there's at least one character that doesn't constantly look like they've been rolling around in the mud inside a coal mine.
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prozacjellybeans (01/10/2016) [-] 1 dude wears ringmail but he pulls it off pretty well
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prozacjellybeans (01/10/2016) [-] My grandpa had the same frustration. It's not that bad tho, like not overly obvious or emphasised. It's a History channel production though, so fairly accurate.
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thechosentroll (01/10/2016) [-] I just watched a trailer for it and in 3-4 minutes managed to see about 20 examples of completely retarded clothing and armor. Also, they couldn't help themselves and did the Hollywood thing where everyone and everything has to be covered in 7 layers of mud and **** . THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT BATHED ONCE A WEEK! They tried to keep clean, so their wounds don't get infected. Why do they always insist on making everyone look like a coal miner, producers? And what's with the ******* tats and make up? Those were a scottish thing and they sure as hell weren't black. No one in the middle ages wore black, they ******* hated it.
Just because it's on the History channel doesn't mean it's historically accurate. Remember, this is the channel that made Ancient Aliens a thing
Just because it's on the History channel doesn't mean it's historically accurate. Remember, this is the channel that made Ancient Aliens a thing
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prozacjellybeans (01/11/2016) [-] At least more researched than say, Disney. You get the point I'm trying to make, while it's a theatrical, fictional production and therefore open to production cliches (armour, mud etc) to make audiences feel more immersed, it does however do a very good job of telling the saga of Ragnar Lodbrok (>inb4 Lothbrok, that's how it's spelled in the sagas, Lothbrok is an Anglicisation)
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prozacjellybeans (01/10/2016) [-] The end of Season 3 trojan horse had me and my ma like "was that?"
"yup"
"but he"
"yup"
"yup"
"but he"
"yup"
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lumpymandude (01/10/2016) [-] You forgot one fact. THEY ******* MISS FIELD GOALS FROM 15 YARDS AWAY IN THE LAST 30 SECONDS OF THE GAME TO GET ELIMINATED
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mytwocents (01/10/2016) [-] implying the swedish rape epidemic does not exist is kinda ... ... retarded.
just because people you don't like talk about it does not wipe out facts.
just because people you don't like talk about it does not wipe out facts.
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alstorp (01/10/2016) [-] It's such a hot and controversial political inquiry that it's impossible to compare the stats comparing the rape statistic and immigrants statistic without it also relating to other statistics. Claiming that immigrants increases the rape statistic when there are other statistics that also coincides, is however retarded.
Judging by the way you are speaking about it I have to assume you don't really know a whole lot about the situation. There are many, many political anti-immigrant politicians in Sweden, even the third leading political party in Sweden are hugely against increasing the immigrant rate, if it were so simple to blame the immigrants, there would be no debate about the matter, but it isn't that simple.
Judging by the way you are speaking about it I have to assume you don't really know a whole lot about the situation. There are many, many political anti-immigrant politicians in Sweden, even the third leading political party in Sweden are hugely against increasing the immigrant rate, if it were so simple to blame the immigrants, there would be no debate about the matter, but it isn't that simple.
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mytwocents (01/10/2016) [-] well, so we got different opinions and an internet arguement won't solve it, yet end this plague.
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bwiedieter (01/10/2016) [-]
Nationality ≠ Ethnicity
As long as they or maybe even their forefathers immigrated properly, of course they´re Swedes!
As long as they or maybe even their forefathers immigrated properly, of course they´re Swedes!
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Endofzeeworld (01/10/2016) [-] >20XX
>Not making a blood eagle of Aella for his brutal murder of your father, Ragnar Lothbrok
>being this much of a bitch
>Not making a blood eagle of Aella for his brutal murder of your father, Ragnar Lothbrok
>being this much of a bitch
