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Ruspanic (01/02/2016) [+] (12 replies)
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A lot of people here are getting butthurt and defensive and are missing the point.
The point is not that rich people suck.
The point is not that rich people don't deserve their wealth.
The point is not that rich people should apologize for being rich.
The point is not that rich people are at fault for the plight of poor people.
The point is that what the guy says at the end is wrong because like many people, he is blind to his own privilege. Although he did work hard, we can't say he worked substantially harder than the girl, so it wasn't just that. In fact, he did have quite a lot handed to him on a platter to get where he was. He had all sorts of advantages in life that he took for granted: he grew up in a comfortable lifestyle and didn't have to worry about his basic needs; his parents provided him with a good education, tutors, opportunities, and plenty of attention and encouragement; he had family connections in the job he ended up pursuing; his financial situation allowed him to get bank loans more easily, to fully finance his college education without having to work, and not take on a heavy debt burden. If he thought about it, he would probably realize most of these things, but most of the time he's blind to these privileges because they're simply a normal part of his life. There's no one obvious event, like winning the lottery, that boosted him into prosperity, it's the lifelong accumulation of many different factors that may not have seemed like a big deal on their own.
Basically, this is supposed to be an exercise in empathy and humility.
The point is not that rich people suck.
The point is not that rich people don't deserve their wealth.
The point is not that rich people should apologize for being rich.
The point is not that rich people are at fault for the plight of poor people.
The point is that what the guy says at the end is wrong because like many people, he is blind to his own privilege. Although he did work hard, we can't say he worked substantially harder than the girl, so it wasn't just that. In fact, he did have quite a lot handed to him on a platter to get where he was. He had all sorts of advantages in life that he took for granted: he grew up in a comfortable lifestyle and didn't have to worry about his basic needs; his parents provided him with a good education, tutors, opportunities, and plenty of attention and encouragement; he had family connections in the job he ended up pursuing; his financial situation allowed him to get bank loans more easily, to fully finance his college education without having to work, and not take on a heavy debt burden. If he thought about it, he would probably realize most of these things, but most of the time he's blind to these privileges because they're simply a normal part of his life. There's no one obvious event, like winning the lottery, that boosted him into prosperity, it's the lifelong accumulation of many different factors that may not have seemed like a big deal on their own.
Basically, this is supposed to be an exercise in empathy and humility.
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meatfist (01/01/2016) [-]
Yeah. I get it, Paula had to work hard for everything, and yeah, it's kind of sad that things ended up the way they did. I mean, after all, she didn't choose to be born in that family.
But then again, neither did Richard. I don't know why I should fault Richard for having supportive and loving parents who helped him get where he was. After all, Richard did work hard, but the standards for Richard and Paula's work are different. Richard was raised to succeed, I can't really hate him for doing that.
But then again, neither did Richard. I don't know why I should fault Richard for having supportive and loving parents who helped him get where he was. After all, Richard did work hard, but the standards for Richard and Paula's work are different. Richard was raised to succeed, I can't really hate him for doing that.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
This isn't anti-rich people, it's pro equal opportunity in terms of schooling and such.
And no, not affirmative action or whatever you people think equal opportunity means, just that she gets resources to assist in becoming as successful as someone born to well-off parents
And no, not affirmative action or whatever you people think equal opportunity means, just that she gets resources to assist in becoming as successful as someone born to well-off parents
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ompalomper (01/02/2016) [-] The only thing here that doesn't follow the "everyone should have the same starting point" are panel set 4 and 5. Unfortunately, some schools are better or worse but even that is a fact of life. Had she dedicated more time and parents encouraged more study then maybe she would have gotten an A.
This thing is, as everything that says "money makes a difference", pointless. Of corse it does. What is your point? That parents shouldn't be allowed to help their kids grow to be successful? That everyone should only be allowed to become great by their own effort? Cute, really. It is adorably naive and stupid.
I ask this, every time I see this. What is the point of success for the family man? To ensure his child's prosperity. As long as the father and mother can breath they will try their hardest to help their child to success.
This thing is, as everything that says "money makes a difference", pointless. Of corse it does. What is your point? That parents shouldn't be allowed to help their kids grow to be successful? That everyone should only be allowed to become great by their own effort? Cute, really. It is adorably naive and stupid.
I ask this, every time I see this. What is the point of success for the family man? To ensure his child's prosperity. As long as the father and mother can breath they will try their hardest to help their child to success.
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colacp (01/02/2016) [-]
She got into school. That was her opportunity. If she was at a poly-technical university then she should have gotten a degree in STEM so she could make $60K a year. Clearly she decided to get a degree in something stupid or she dropped out.
The good news is she can still marry rich. That's what I plan to do.
The good news is she can still marry rich. That's what I plan to do.
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lolkeklol (01/02/2016) [-]
that cherry picking at it's finest. Paula is clearly an extreme. obviously if everything bad happens to you your life will be not so good. Richard is the opposite, somehow he never has any issues in his life, which is whole unrealistic. rich people still die of disease, rich parents get divorced a lot. This graphic compounds problems and acts as if they are tied together indefinitely.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
I think everyone missed the bit where her loans were denied. Since her university wasn't paid for up front, she still had to take out loans. For most students, especially poorer ones, they also have to get a source of their loan tuition through parent loans. With her dad dying/dead, her eligibility for those federal loans is now gone and she has to pay thousands up front every semester in order to continue her schooling, when she was already struggling to pay whats he could in the first place.
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dreygur (01/02/2016) [-] Paula also had supportive and loving parents, but she had less access to useful resources and less time to use the ones she had. The point is that poor people can get somewhere, but they have a huge mountain to climb, which they often have to permanently settle on midway because they didn't have proper equipment to carry on climbing. Where I live that isn't really an issue because poor people get almost as fair opportunities as the richest, without having to work three times as hard for it.
But hey, just my 5 cents.
But hey, just my 5 cents.
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colacp (01/02/2016) [-]
Richard got a degree in Finance. Paula got a degree in theater. Because if she had gotten a degree in Engineering she'd be well off.
But its not too late for her. She can still marry Richard and get rich that way. All she needs to do is flirt a little and leave him her number on a napkin. Talk about a golden opportunity!
But its not too late for her. She can still marry Richard and get rich that way. All she needs to do is flirt a little and leave him her number on a napkin. Talk about a golden opportunity!
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captchakid ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] Pretty stupid assumption, considering the author states she was in poly. Polytech where I am is nearly exclusively stem related jobs, particularly computer science.
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sienofenda (01/02/2016) [-]
I dont think that was the message at all. As i perceived it the message was that we have to remember these differences when discussing social policies and the like, no one was saying richard was some lucky punk who didnt deserve it, just that he had different circumstances for achieving succes. i feel like that is also very relevant to keep in mind with how people discuss politics on fj recently,
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enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-] Arga ''när juden dör av gas då står kuken i extas'' blatten
Arga ''när rasförrädare dör så sjunger jag svenska nationalsången i kör'' blatten
Arga ''när negrerna ger ifrån sig ett sista skrik så känner jag mig rik'' blatten
Arga ''kuken blev alldeles hård och len när negern på gatan träffades av en sten'' blatten
Arga ''den ariska rasen måste bevaras, den muslimska minoriteten måste skjutas och begravas'' blatten
Arga ''när rasförrädare dör så sjunger jag svenska nationalsången i kör'' blatten
Arga ''när negrerna ger ifrån sig ett sista skrik så känner jag mig rik'' blatten
Arga ''kuken blev alldeles hård och len när negern på gatan träffades av en sten'' blatten
Arga ''den ariska rasen måste bevaras, den muslimska minoriteten måste skjutas och begravas'' blatten
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tonitraktor (01/02/2016) [-] no i dont think that, im reffering to the fag in the comic
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erotictentacle ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] I doubt the comic is about that
To me it seems that the comic is about rich and successful people looking down and being dicks to the lower class for not being on the same level
To me it seems that the comic is about rich and successful people looking down and being dicks to the lower class for not being on the same level
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dbqpdb ONLINE (01/01/2016) [-] On the one hand I agree that people in those situations don't ask for that **** , but to grow up having everything handed to you and pretend like it was through effort and not luck, that's more than a little ****** .
I don't agree with too much of the anti-rich sentiment building with media, but I do agree that ignoring the part circumstance played in your success is a very poor excuse to say and do ****** things.
I don't agree with too much of the anti-rich sentiment building with media, but I do agree that ignoring the part circumstance played in your success is a very poor excuse to say and do ****** things.
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quantumranger (01/02/2016) [-] Richard didn't have "everything handed to him". He certainly had way more opportunities than Paula, but he still had to work hard. Had he not studied hard enough, his nicer school wouldn't make a difference. Even with the tutor, if he didn't have the desire to do better it wouldn't make a difference. He got that job through his father's connections, but if he was ****** at it, he wouldn't have progressed or kept it in the first place. As for the loan, Paula was working low income jobs, it wouldn't be in the banks interest if they don't believe she can keep up payments. Also we don't know how much each of them is trying to get. I would argue that Richard is correct, even if he come off as a dick. He may have been handed his tools and parts on a silver platter, but he was the one who used them to build his success.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] Richard is not being faulted for winning the genetic lottery, he is being faulted for believing that his success was the result of his own ability and purely due to his own ability, despite the fact that he received help from almost everyone he ran into along the way. This isn't just discompassionate, it's also ungrateful, prideful, and downright rude.
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distortedflare ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] He has the right to be proud of his accomplishments. he worked hard to get his degree's and at his job. But to say he got it solely because he is a hard worker would be ******** . And sadly in the last panel he claims that he got to where he was via hard work whilst the woman actually had to struggle.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] It's an expression that refers to being lucky in who your parents are.
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captchakid ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] I am 90% sure it is only used for looks and other physical qualities.
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captchakid ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] You act like just because you've used it the wrong way all your life, that it means your way is the correct way. Show me one case where it is used for the situation you're using it in, and I'll show you 10 where it is not.
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captchakid ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] Acting hostile just proves that you are using logical and argumentative fallacies to back up your points.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] There is no argument. I am right, you are wrong. This is quite possibly the most retarded thing you could decide to pick a fight over.
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captchakid ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] I was never picking a fight, you were by denying the fact you are wrong in this case. Holding your opinion based on anecdotal evidence is a fallacy that you are clearly not seeing through.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] >I think that you used the saying incorrectly
>No I didn't
>Well you did, you're stupid, and you're covering for it.
>Well **** you then
>"Not picking a fight"
>No I didn't
>Well you did, you're stupid, and you're covering for it.
>Well **** you then
>"Not picking a fight"
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captchakid ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] Now you're creating a strawman and simplifying the complex debate started above.
Also, you began attacking me versus proving your grounds of using the statement, which is ad hominem fallacy.
Also, you began attacking me versus proving your grounds of using the statement, which is ad hominem fallacy.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] Given the fact that you have incorrectly cited about four fallacies, I'm given to think that you just looked at a website and have no formal training in argument.
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captchakid ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] I correctly stated each argument, and I've taken Argumentation classes in college.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] No you haven't correctly cited anything, because an Ad Hominem Fallacy requires directly attacking your character as a justification for why you're wrong. I insulted you, that is not an ad hominem attack that is an insult. If I said "Well, you're stupid, so you're wrong.", that would be an Ad Hominem attack. I told you to go **** yourself because I have no intention of proving myself to you over something as stupid as an idiomatic saying.
Additionally, I have never cited any evidence, I've just told you that you are wrong. Yet you claim that I've cited anecdotal evidence when you were the one who specifically said "Show me one case where it is used for the situation you're using it in, and I'll show you 10 where it is not.", which is most certainly a guarantee that you intend to rely on anecdotal evidence.
Additionally, I have never cited any evidence, I've just told you that you are wrong. Yet you claim that I've cited anecdotal evidence when you were the one who specifically said "Show me one case where it is used for the situation you're using it in, and I'll show you 10 where it is not.", which is most certainly a guarantee that you intend to rely on anecdotal evidence.
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GnRNoD (01/02/2016) [-] You basicly said it all.
I was talking to my uncle last night, he used to be an airline pilot, he started working when he was ten because his family was dirt poor, but he paid for his own studies and ended up as a pilot (he's 75 or something, so different times).
We argued about capitalism, for him it works because even tho he came from nothing he now has a very nice house, a new car every couple of years and his kids went to college and what not.
But I favor this comic in one way, I don't blame Richard for succeeding, because he was raised to do just that and he did work hard, because even tho he had the money part covered he studied and applied himself, but we do live in a world that not everyone has the chance to become all that they can be, because everything is centered around money and not everyone is a good investment, so I'm not mad at richard at all I even congratulate him, but I am angry that Paula didn't get a chance to become more when it seems she coulded have.
I was talking to my uncle last night, he used to be an airline pilot, he started working when he was ten because his family was dirt poor, but he paid for his own studies and ended up as a pilot (he's 75 or something, so different times).
We argued about capitalism, for him it works because even tho he came from nothing he now has a very nice house, a new car every couple of years and his kids went to college and what not.
But I favor this comic in one way, I don't blame Richard for succeeding, because he was raised to do just that and he did work hard, because even tho he had the money part covered he studied and applied himself, but we do live in a world that not everyone has the chance to become all that they can be, because everything is centered around money and not everyone is a good investment, so I'm not mad at richard at all I even congratulate him, but I am angry that Paula didn't get a chance to become more when it seems she coulded have.
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ubercron (01/02/2016) [-]
have to say one thing though. School is probably much more expensive now a days. I keep hearing that students can't even afford to pay back the loans for the rest of their lives so they are essentially slaves. I'm not gonna go full sanders but something has to be done. The merchants are winning and we need to stop them. The school system needs a huge overhaul.
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GnRNoD (01/02/2016) [-] yeah, not only the school system, everything needs a change capitalism will collapse on itself thru inflation as a minimal percentage of the population keeps raising their capital exponentially the rest of the population have less and less and eventually more money is produced and so it's worth less than before, but that small percentage of people also control that so it's not going to change any time soon.
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distortedflare ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] I think the point here is that when you don't need to struggle with finance it is easy to look at others and claim laziness.
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funnygiggles (01/02/2016) [-]
Not to mention I definitely know people who trashed their rich parents money and turned into burnouts.
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bemmo (01/02/2016) [-] We aren't hating the character for succeeding or having an advantage, that's okay, we're hating him for succeeding and failing to recognise that an equal level of effort and work by someone in a different situation can have drastically different results to the ones he got, which is not okay.
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bemmo (01/02/2016) [-] Did you read the bit about different qualities of education?
Besides, the things you know about their grades are that their teachers and schools were very different, and that on one occasion he got a B+, where the hell did you get "he got A's" from? and on another occasion, potentially completely unrelated and different to the one we're shown him facing, she got a B. Maybe his report was piss-easy compared to hers, maybe it was exactly the same, we don't know.
Basically, I'm not saying for sure that she tried harder, just that neither you nor I have anything to conclude jack **** about who tried harder in school.
I'm not even mad about the issue of inequality anymore, just your stupidly terrible analysis of evidence and apparent ability to draw conclusions out of thin air.
Besides, the things you know about their grades are that their teachers and schools were very different, and that on one occasion he got a B+, where the hell did you get "he got A's" from? and on another occasion, potentially completely unrelated and different to the one we're shown him facing, she got a B. Maybe his report was piss-easy compared to hers, maybe it was exactly the same, we don't know.
Basically, I'm not saying for sure that she tried harder, just that neither you nor I have anything to conclude jack **** about who tried harder in school.
I'm not even mad about the issue of inequality anymore, just your stupidly terrible analysis of evidence and apparent ability to draw conclusions out of thin air.
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captchakid ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] You're just proving me right, keep digging your own hole bud.
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deutschblut (01/02/2016) [-] Yeah, I realized how that sounded.
Times were never THAT bad for me....
Times were never THAT bad for me....
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enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-] I'd kick richards snobby ass and steal his car, maybe **** his wife too. There's nothing more that i hate than disgusting, snobby pricks who got EVERY ******* THING for free by their parents and then dare to speak about ''hurr durr u gutta wurk hard lmao''.
I grew up in an underclass family who lived on welfare and i hate these godamn ******* snobs who where raised by parents who earned their wealth by heritage and tax cuts.
We need to kill the bankerrs and start a revulotion.
I grew up in an underclass family who lived on welfare and i hate these godamn ******* snobs who where raised by parents who earned their wealth by heritage and tax cuts.
We need to kill the bankerrs and start a revulotion.
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semiprogravy ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] i think the narrative theyre trying to spin is that equity and equality aren't the same thing. i dont think richard is being blamed for being born into his family, nor is paula. richard isnt to be faulted, its just a way of displaying that equal work doesnt always result in equal rewards, due to circumstance. basically, they're trying to say that everyone should be raised to succeed and be given opportunities. obviously in the real world its easier said than done, but its just supposed to spark thought.
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dantemp (01/02/2016) [-] Wait, who says that you should hate on Richard? The only wrong thing he said was his last sentence and the author even kind of defends him that it's normal to develop such an attitude. It's amazing how people are able to filter **** out until they extract something that can be easily argued.
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nemodiego (01/02/2016) [-]
The comic isn't critical of Richard because he was born into a loving, affluent family. It's critical of him cause he failed to recognize or appreciate the advantages he was given early in life. There's nothing wrong with his path and you're right, he didn't choose his family any more than Paula chose hers. Richard still had to work hard to get to wherever he may be in the last frame and plenty of kids in similar situations find ways to **** it all up, there's no denying that fact. But if you were born on third base, don't walk around telling people that you hit a triple; it makes you look like a pretentious cunt.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
>Go to **** school
>Large Classes
>Underfunded
>Teachers Tired and Stressed
Same, but I worked my ass off and got straight A's regardless. Paula needs to step up.
>Large Classes
>Underfunded
>Teachers Tired and Stressed
Same, but I worked my ass off and got straight A's regardless. Paula needs to step up.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
Go to expensive as **** university. Professors are there to research and can't teach for **** and you often can't understand them.
Work ass off and do well in engineering anyway
You get out what you put in.
If Paula works harder than others she'll get promoted and make enough money to launch her own dreams.
Work ass off and do well in engineering anyway
You get out what you put in.
If Paula works harder than others she'll get promoted and make enough money to launch her own dreams.
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andywazowski (01/02/2016) [-] Guys calm down, Richard didn't have an easy life, he had to build his own from the ground up, all he got was a small loan of a million dollars by his dad.
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thebluedream ONLINE (01/01/2016) [-] blah blah rich people do so well because they are born rich yada yada. When are people going to stop whining about what they got and don't and actually do something
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captainprincess (01/02/2016) [-] when the rich stop getting in the way of their attempts to do something
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hwaraam (01/02/2016) [-] no, but you could talk with hiring people and such so when there are 2 person only on this planet, the rich one gets 90% of the job while the poor one gets 10%.
why should i get 400 euros for my job when i am the one serving hamburguers?
why is my boss getting 50k each month when he just sits and waits for othes to take care of his bussiness?
life is unfair yada yada
why should i get 400 euros for my job when i am the one serving hamburguers?
why is my boss getting 50k each month when he just sits and waits for othes to take care of his bussiness?
life is unfair yada yada
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
Owning a business where the owner is making 50k a month is not a business where the owner can sit and do nothing. Read the stories of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. You'll have a better understanding of what it takes to run something that big.
With that said, perhaps business owners should pay higher wages. It's hard to say because each employee is an investment, so the employee needs to return more than what he/she's being given. Most of these multi million-/billionaires likely could afford to pay more, though.
With that said, perhaps business owners should pay higher wages. It's hard to say because each employee is an investment, so the employee needs to return more than what he/she's being given. Most of these multi million-/billionaires likely could afford to pay more, though.
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captainprincess (01/02/2016) [-] Ofcourse you'd have to pretend to be rich to come out with that
You'd need to actually understand the power and influence of the wealthy
You'd need to actually understand the power and influence of the wealthy
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thebluedream ONLINE (01/01/2016) [-] I guess I might be a little bias on account of I grew up poor and made something of myself. I am no millionaire but I am certainly doing alright for myself, so I just don't get why social and finical status has to do with it.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] How poor is poor? There are poor people who grow up having to literally beg alongside their parents, even in the United States, and then there are poor people who are actually just lower middle-class but think they're poor because they have to wait a few months to go out to dinner again.
If you're in the former situation, congrats, but your success is not necessarily ordinary, and that is not other poor people's fault. If the latter, learn the difference between being humble and self-celebratorily denigrating your past. You were not poor and weak because you didn't get an x-box when you asked for one. If you were poor, it was because you asked for food and couldn't get it, or wanted a hot shower and never had one.
If you're in the former situation, congrats, but your success is not necessarily ordinary, and that is not other poor people's fault. If the latter, learn the difference between being humble and self-celebratorily denigrating your past. You were not poor and weak because you didn't get an x-box when you asked for one. If you were poor, it was because you asked for food and couldn't get it, or wanted a hot shower and never had one.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
So what's the solution? Give them money to start their ventures? Make college free? Implement more social programs? You're doing three things: accusing the well-off of actively suppressing the poor and minorities (which is totally absurd, unless you buy into the theory that corporations actually run our government à la Zeitgeist, in which case it's just a few men, and by no means all "rich people"), accusing the poor of not having the wherewithal to make something of themselves (which, I would argue, is the real problem: teach a man to fish, and all that), and not offering any solutions.
As for social mobility (I'll ignore the fact you said "proven" without actually providing any proof), this again comes down to the why of the matter. I think it's a combination of opportunity and hard work. Give people the opportunity to learn and grow, and then make them work for the rest using the knowledge they have.
As for social mobility (I'll ignore the fact you said "proven" without actually providing any proof), this again comes down to the why of the matter. I think it's a combination of opportunity and hard work. Give people the opportunity to learn and grow, and then make them work for the rest using the knowledge they have.
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talked ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
I grew up rich, My closest friend grew up having to try to remember his current address cause it changed every once in a while. I got some jobs because my parents knew people, he got some jobs because he had to help pay the bills. We're attending the same university in the same program. It has a lot to do with how much you want something.
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anon (01/01/2016) [-]
It's true though.
I desperately want to be the first in my family to ever to go to college.
But even though I have 0 debt. I but I've been denied the smallest loan because of my parents and their parents credit history.
So I'm working 45 hours a week so I can save up and pay for my 24 credit hours out of pocket.
Then maybe I can get a scholarship. For I good college. That's what I'm hoping.
I desperately want to be the first in my family to ever to go to college.
But even though I have 0 debt. I but I've been denied the smallest loan because of my parents and their parents credit history.
So I'm working 45 hours a week so I can save up and pay for my 24 credit hours out of pocket.
Then maybe I can get a scholarship. For I good college. That's what I'm hoping.
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thechosentroll (01/02/2016) [-] If everything were this black and white IRL, we'd be living in a goddamn silent movie.
I'm a broke-ass ************ . I've been one my whole life. At one point, there was a chance my parents and I would be out on the ******* street, but we're not and things got better and we sorted our **** out. Do you know why? Because my parents weren't goddamn morons. Unlike the vast majority the poor, poor, mistreated poor peoples, who're being pushed down by the big bad rich people.
There is a reason some people are poor. Pretty much everyone I know, who comes from a well-off family is a goddamn workaholic, who's being whipped by their parents to do their best and succeed in life. The ones who came from the same background as me? Their only goals in life are booze and bitches/dick. They were getting ******* knocked up and arrested for drunk driving in highschool, while the rich kids were working themselves to death, trying to get grades high enough to get into a decent university. So now, while the rich kids are working their tits off for their degrees, so they can achieve something in life, the poor kids are turning into sluts and wife-beating alcoholics, who have to deal with kids. And their kids will turn out the exact ******* same, because their parents won't blame their own stupidity for their **** lives, they'll blame it on the kids, going on and on about how they could have achieved something if it weren't for the kid. Instead of growing up, motivated to succeed, the kid's going to hate life and think everything is unfair, try to get some petty enjoyment out of it instead of working hard and will repeat the same mistakes their parents made. Then have kids of their own and blame them for their **** life. And the cycle keeps going and going and going and going. The only way to break it is to pull your head out of your ass and say " **** it, my life's **** , but I'll be damned if I let my kid have the same **** life I did." and make the little **** work their ass off and achieve something in life. That's how my parents did it, that's how many poor people manage to get out of poverty - by treating Paula like Richard. **** the "B? Not bad." crap, make her study her ass off even if she doesn't like it, get those high grades, get a scholarship and have the same career opportunities Richard's going to get. That's how you get out of poverty - by working your ass off instead of watching TV, dicking around in school and settling for **** grades and **** jobs. Not by whining about how unfair life is while doing nothing about it.
I'm a broke-ass ************ . I've been one my whole life. At one point, there was a chance my parents and I would be out on the ******* street, but we're not and things got better and we sorted our **** out. Do you know why? Because my parents weren't goddamn morons. Unlike the vast majority the poor, poor, mistreated poor peoples, who're being pushed down by the big bad rich people.
There is a reason some people are poor. Pretty much everyone I know, who comes from a well-off family is a goddamn workaholic, who's being whipped by their parents to do their best and succeed in life. The ones who came from the same background as me? Their only goals in life are booze and bitches/dick. They were getting ******* knocked up and arrested for drunk driving in highschool, while the rich kids were working themselves to death, trying to get grades high enough to get into a decent university. So now, while the rich kids are working their tits off for their degrees, so they can achieve something in life, the poor kids are turning into sluts and wife-beating alcoholics, who have to deal with kids. And their kids will turn out the exact ******* same, because their parents won't blame their own stupidity for their **** lives, they'll blame it on the kids, going on and on about how they could have achieved something if it weren't for the kid. Instead of growing up, motivated to succeed, the kid's going to hate life and think everything is unfair, try to get some petty enjoyment out of it instead of working hard and will repeat the same mistakes their parents made. Then have kids of their own and blame them for their **** life. And the cycle keeps going and going and going and going. The only way to break it is to pull your head out of your ass and say " **** it, my life's **** , but I'll be damned if I let my kid have the same **** life I did." and make the little **** work their ass off and achieve something in life. That's how my parents did it, that's how many poor people manage to get out of poverty - by treating Paula like Richard. **** the "B? Not bad." crap, make her study her ass off even if she doesn't like it, get those high grades, get a scholarship and have the same career opportunities Richard's going to get. That's how you get out of poverty - by working your ass off instead of watching TV, dicking around in school and settling for **** grades and **** jobs. Not by whining about how unfair life is while doing nothing about it.
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knightmoiden (01/02/2016) [-] Sometimes one forgets that where you start is not where you stay for the rest of your life. You can seek better. You can earn a better life for you and your children. Some people can't get out of "class" someone is born into. The world is cruel and kind, As though it wants us to prove ourselves. Yet what we created is walls to divide us.
Nah, what the **** am I talking about? This **** isn't funny. I don't got any Jokes. **** thi-
Nah, what the **** am I talking about? This **** isn't funny. I don't got any Jokes. **** thi-
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dehnoobshow ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] I used to live my life with the saying of "At the end of the game, the king and the pawn go in the same box"
But this is making me ask myself is it really worth it?
I mean, despite being assholes and pessimistic, everyone kinda blanks out the future, hoping it will be bright. But imagine the crushing realization that no matter how hard you try, no matter how hard you try to grab onto success.
You just won't reach it.
******* ...
I need to sleep.
But this is making me ask myself is it really worth it?
I mean, despite being assholes and pessimistic, everyone kinda blanks out the future, hoping it will be bright. But imagine the crushing realization that no matter how hard you try, no matter how hard you try to grab onto success.
You just won't reach it.
******* ...
I need to sleep.
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princelaharl (01/02/2016) [-] 
Success is different for everyone. Its about what you want from life, not everyone wants the multi-million dollar job. Some want comfort, others wealth. Everyone keeps banking on the future for happiness and quite often that leads to sadness and regret. Enjoy the time you have in this life because you only get one.
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berengar (01/02/2016) [-] I used to feel quite similar to you, fact is I still do somewhat, but the the way I deal with it just by altering my perceptions of success. It might sound rather weird, but not I don't want much out of life. I just want get enough in life to see the world a bit before I die in 60ish years.
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momad (01/02/2016) [-] everyone is looking at the post like its saying poor people are better
its pointing out that hard work and dedication isn't the key to success, like most successful people say and its using these two as an example
i havent slept in 30 hours so i probably butchered that paragraph and/or im understanding it wrong
its pointing out that hard work and dedication isn't the key to success, like most successful people say and its using these two as an example
i havent slept in 30 hours so i probably butchered that paragraph and/or im understanding it wrong
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oldflattop (01/02/2016) [-] the moral of the story is: rich people are always assholes. money makes people dicks. I don't know what charity is! I haven't gone ouTSIDE SINCE I WAS 3 IT'S TOTALLY COOL TO LEARN THINGS FROM AN EMPTY HEADED **** BREATH SUCH AS MY SELF!
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jonball (01/01/2016) [-] Cry me a river, we all got different **** to deal with, rich or not.
This is a cruel and unfair world, nothing you can do about it.
This is a cruel and unfair world, nothing you can do about it.
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dantemp (01/02/2016) [-] Compare it with the average Joe 20 years ago. We live as ******* gods compared to them. And I don't understand why is everyone going on about income gaps, when middle class has problems only when buying something expressive. I'm driving a freaking S-klasse for crying out loud, who cares what the bored rich guys do.
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dantemp (01/02/2016) [-] That was not the intent of the maker. It was about successful people realizing when their success stems from both their hard work and comfortable start, while those with harder start shouldn't give up on their ambitions and always strive for more. Anything else you've seen in the comments are people making baseless assumptions.
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jonball (01/02/2016) [-] I am not sure what you are trying to say...
i'm speaking from own experience when i say life is unfair, there is nothing you can do about it other than too accept it.
Unless you can magically stop Hunger, oppression, murders, deceases, corruption,
depression, war etc...
But there are some few changes, with some few twists and turns.
i'm speaking from own experience when i say life is unfair, there is nothing you can do about it other than too accept it.
Unless you can magically stop Hunger, oppression, murders, deceases, corruption,
depression, war etc...
But there are some few changes, with some few twists and turns.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] You're not sugarcoating it though. You took a moderately bad situation that can easily be fixed by moral guidance and self-reflection, and then grabbed a *********** hose to spray it with **** until no one wanted to touch it.
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captchakid ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-] Assuming the comic is based in America, they both had equal chances. I'm from a poor family, and am going to college in a stem field, and being paid to do it.
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vigilum (01/02/2016) [-] Still unequal education quality, looking at the comic. Also no help from home
Both reduce your chances
This is also very much something you can't bring personal experience into. It's macro, you need to look at overall statistics and work from that, not single cases. Congratulations though
Both reduce your chances
This is also very much something you can't bring personal experience into. It's macro, you need to look at overall statistics and work from that, not single cases. Congratulations though
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] Of course there are things you can do about. We've spent well over 10,000 years advancing human civilization, creating entire countries, fighting wars, inciting revolutions that changed the world, and you're going to tell me that we can't make sure that the poor have equal access the education and financial assistance?
Do you have no sense of scale, or did you not bother to spend even 10 seconds thinking about the topic before you launched into some overly harsh dismissal?
Do you have no sense of scale, or did you not bother to spend even 10 seconds thinking about the topic before you launched into some overly harsh dismissal?
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jonball (01/02/2016) [-] For the first one: Yes, and we have basically gotten nearly nowhere with it compared too now and then. This is because power corrupts and the ones more eager too share and help others are others in need (not capable off lending a hand).
Second one; I don't see this as overly harsh in any way, unless you might be working for a government not paid under the table from a corporations, you will most likely be off no use.
Second one; I don't see this as overly harsh in any way, unless you might be working for a government not paid under the table from a corporations, you will most likely be off no use.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] >Basically gotten nearly nowhere
The average lifespan has doubled, almost all members of Western society are at least basically literate, versus only the upper class in ancient history. The vast majority of America lives in a permanent home with amenities that keep said home heated in the winter and cool in the summer, and has access to food even months after it's out of season. You can get in a plane and fly across the entire world in less than two days, and can press a button on a big metal box and talk to people across the planet from the comfort of your own home. Two revolutions in recent history were inspired by online support for democracy, and while they are still fighting in one country, in the other (Tunisia) democracy has established itself.
We have landed people on the moon only 400 years after we landed them on another continent. We have discovered a way to create unmanned machines that can fly themselves and conduct military operations for us without putting our own lives in danger. Politicians are routinely ousted from office for scandal, rather than encouraged to take graft in order to make the system work. A dictator in the first world hasn't been heard of in 70 years, and the very concept is largely reviled.
But go on, tell me about "How little" humanity has advanced from the point at which we were beating each other with clubs for scraps of meat.
The average lifespan has doubled, almost all members of Western society are at least basically literate, versus only the upper class in ancient history. The vast majority of America lives in a permanent home with amenities that keep said home heated in the winter and cool in the summer, and has access to food even months after it's out of season. You can get in a plane and fly across the entire world in less than two days, and can press a button on a big metal box and talk to people across the planet from the comfort of your own home. Two revolutions in recent history were inspired by online support for democracy, and while they are still fighting in one country, in the other (Tunisia) democracy has established itself.
We have landed people on the moon only 400 years after we landed them on another continent. We have discovered a way to create unmanned machines that can fly themselves and conduct military operations for us without putting our own lives in danger. Politicians are routinely ousted from office for scandal, rather than encouraged to take graft in order to make the system work. A dictator in the first world hasn't been heard of in 70 years, and the very concept is largely reviled.
But go on, tell me about "How little" humanity has advanced from the point at which we were beating each other with clubs for scraps of meat.
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] We're still talking about the comic, but you apparently think that humanity is living in some dystopic wasteland where everyone but the ultra-rich are living like uneducated, disease-ridden cavemen, which is simply not true. It is not asking to much to demand to that the rich acknowledge those who helped them succeed, rather than simply pretend that they got where they did with no help.
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jonball (01/02/2016) [-] You seem to not understand, my point is: ''some people got it better than you, so what?''
This conversation has tracked off several times and i can't keep up anymore, nor could i care.
When i said ''there is nothing you can do about it'', i was referring to the fact that not everything in this bloody universe is handed too you and there is nothing for you to do other too work towards what you want (even if someone got it easier than you doesn't mean you should feel cheated on).
This conversation has tracked off several times and i can't keep up anymore, nor could i care.
When i said ''there is nothing you can do about it'', i was referring to the fact that not everything in this bloody universe is handed too you and there is nothing for you to do other too work towards what you want (even if someone got it easier than you doesn't mean you should feel cheated on).
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greyhoundfd (01/02/2016) [-] But the point isn't that some people have it better than you, it's that some people have it better than you due to their being helped along the way, but they come to think that their progress is due only to their own effort instead.
Maybe if you want to keep up with your conversations you should think and consider what you're saying before you run your mouth.
Maybe if you want to keep up with your conversations you should think and consider what you're saying before you run your mouth.
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jonball (01/02/2016) [-] The whole conversation got railed off few posts back, i kind off figured out either i or you had missed the point.
Thus i couldn't understand why you brought up revolution...
Even with the misunderstanding i still stand with my first post.
But why is there a side by side comparing a rich guy/family with a poor one? kinda doesn't make that much sense then...
I couldn't possibly keep up with our conversation when you where talking about something completely else in mind... i would figure my first post quite directly
said what i was thinking.
Thus i couldn't understand why you brought up revolution...
Even with the misunderstanding i still stand with my first post.
But why is there a side by side comparing a rich guy/family with a poor one? kinda doesn't make that much sense then...
I couldn't possibly keep up with our conversation when you where talking about something completely else in mind... i would figure my first post quite directly
said what i was thinking.
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drakevil (01/02/2016) [-] Oh i get it, it's one of those "you born rich and have a good life? How dare you!" kind of thing, right?
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thedutchs (01/02/2016) [-] As a guy who comes from a family that is very well-off, I can safely say I worked less and got a whole lot more than some people around me.
>Get kicked out of school and put in private school
>Score good grades because of teachers basically tutoring me and watching my progress the entire way.
>Know a lot about etiquette and mannerism because my parents were raised like that too and know how important it is.
>Don't have any debts because my grandfather left me with a lot of money,.
>Get the opportunity to study abroad because money isn't an issue
>Get hired very easily because I'm polite and have a very good background.
I still have to get myself through uni, but I am getting a headstart.
So rather than saying "I deserve to be on top" I just think "I guess I won the lottery."
>Get kicked out of school and put in private school
>Score good grades because of teachers basically tutoring me and watching my progress the entire way.
>Know a lot about etiquette and mannerism because my parents were raised like that too and know how important it is.
>Don't have any debts because my grandfather left me with a lot of money,.
>Get the opportunity to study abroad because money isn't an issue
>Get hired very easily because I'm polite and have a very good background.
I still have to get myself through uni, but I am getting a headstart.
So rather than saying "I deserve to be on top" I just think "I guess I won the lottery."
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schneidend (01/02/2016) [-] On the one hand, yeah, rich kid gets advantages, because his dad knows people. Sure. But, this comic become completely disingenuous when the rich kid gets his loan and the poor kid gets nothing. That's...really not how it works. You get more grant/loan money if you can demonstrate greater financial need.
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schneidend (01/02/2016) [-] It seemed to me they were getting college loans, but yeah I guess they were past that stage at that point.
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ninetynineballoons (01/02/2016) [-] Two parents both working two jobs? Let's say each parent isn't working full time at each job, just 30 hours per job. At minimum wage that's almost 50k a year. With one kid, that isn't too bad.
Also working while going to school might not pay off your student debt at all but it'll cover everything else you need during that time span.
I'm also guessing the character didn't finish school? But then tries to get a loan afterwords? Not really sure what for, or why it wouldn't be to finish school.
Topping this off with the last two panels where she's now a waitress for a very fancy/high end whatever. You can make mad ******* money working as a server for something high end. I have friends who were servers in high school at a nice small town restaurant and they managed to have almost their entire college tuition paid off before they even went to college. DOING IT PART TIME IN HIGH SCHOOL.
It might be hard to get to the guy characters position being born into the girl characters life, but god damn, by the end of this comic, where she's at, she should be able to afford a decent apartment, a car, pay off student debt/or just finish school, and still have enough cash left over.
Also working while going to school might not pay off your student debt at all but it'll cover everything else you need during that time span.
I'm also guessing the character didn't finish school? But then tries to get a loan afterwords? Not really sure what for, or why it wouldn't be to finish school.
Topping this off with the last two panels where she's now a waitress for a very fancy/high end whatever. You can make mad ******* money working as a server for something high end. I have friends who were servers in high school at a nice small town restaurant and they managed to have almost their entire college tuition paid off before they even went to college. DOING IT PART TIME IN HIGH SCHOOL.
It might be hard to get to the guy characters position being born into the girl characters life, but god damn, by the end of this comic, where she's at, she should be able to afford a decent apartment, a car, pay off student debt/or just finish school, and still have enough cash left over.
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ninetynineballoons (01/03/2016) [-] I thought the busy house was her parents either being drug dealers or her mom being single and prostituting, which didn't turn out to be the case. And no reference to any siblings, especially with helping her dad, makes me thing there weren't any other kids.
And some Eezee loan or whichever it is, isn't going really loan enough money to significantly help pay for medical bills.
The comic is kinda a mess with too many missing or implied details. And it's about privilege some how. Like, you don't exactly get to choose what kind of family you're born into.
And some Eezee loan or whichever it is, isn't going really loan enough money to significantly help pay for medical bills.
The comic is kinda a mess with too many missing or implied details. And it's about privilege some how. Like, you don't exactly get to choose what kind of family you're born into.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-] Life is unfair. Maybe you're born poor, short, ugly, stupid, or maybe even with a significant birth defect.
Deal with it. Stop being envious of people who look like they have a better life than you and make your life better than theirs. Sure money can alleviate some of the hardships in life, but it isn't everything. Some of the wealthiest people in the world are the saddest, most disturbed sons of bitches on the planet.
Work on improving your life and the life of your future decedents. Don't dwell on **** you can't change. That's like breaking your arm and focusing on complaining about how other people don't have a broken arm instead of getting it fixed. Your heart will get as easily infected as your open wounds if you don't tend to your own issues in your life.
Deal with it. Stop being envious of people who look like they have a better life than you and make your life better than theirs. Sure money can alleviate some of the hardships in life, but it isn't everything. Some of the wealthiest people in the world are the saddest, most disturbed sons of bitches on the planet.
Work on improving your life and the life of your future decedents. Don't dwell on **** you can't change. That's like breaking your arm and focusing on complaining about how other people don't have a broken arm instead of getting it fixed. Your heart will get as easily infected as your open wounds if you don't tend to your own issues in your life.
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epicextreme (01/02/2016) [-] they both work hard, but both are born into certain circumstances. grow up and deal with it.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
Some of the poorest immigrants became the equivalent to modern millionaires in the Industrial age because they worked their asses off to build up such a massive amount of wealth in society that you can ******** on a website for funny images instead of working in a coal mine and still have enough food to eat for a week.
Git gud at life, scrub.
Git gud at life, scrub.
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lolollo (01/02/2016) [-] > have a full time job
> make twice as much in 2 weeks than what I need for a whole month
> came from a family of immigrants who worked their asses off at the railroads go support Dad's family
> already graduated university with honors/2 minors
Clearly you know me guy. We'll ignore the fact that the content still has the valid point that we have ************* in society a populous you might be a part of who have had everything go right for them who presume that everyone's life is as easy as theirs, and that 0% of your life can come down to random ass chance and sheer dumb luck. The content isn't calling attention to whether or not someone who's poor is capable of making it big. It's more the possible, but its also possible to win the lottery and strike oil in your backyard, isn't it? The point of this content is to call attention to the epidemic of uninsightful dickholes thinking they have any sort of subjective notion of what it takes to go from being poor to having success.
But you can go ahead and sit on your cushion. So long as you don't do anything to hinder the success of others, those of us with the resources, and insight to not spew **** out of our mouths can aid where its needed.
seriously, though, just stay out of the way. ******** on the internet if you want, just don't do anything outside of it.
> make twice as much in 2 weeks than what I need for a whole month
> came from a family of immigrants who worked their asses off at the railroads go support Dad's family
> already graduated university with honors/2 minors
Clearly you know me guy. We'll ignore the fact that the content still has the valid point that we have ************* in society a populous you might be a part of who have had everything go right for them who presume that everyone's life is as easy as theirs, and that 0% of your life can come down to random ass chance and sheer dumb luck. The content isn't calling attention to whether or not someone who's poor is capable of making it big. It's more the possible, but its also possible to win the lottery and strike oil in your backyard, isn't it? The point of this content is to call attention to the epidemic of uninsightful dickholes thinking they have any sort of subjective notion of what it takes to go from being poor to having success.
But you can go ahead and sit on your cushion. So long as you don't do anything to hinder the success of others, those of us with the resources, and insight to not spew **** out of our mouths can aid where its needed.
seriously, though, just stay out of the way. ******** on the internet if you want, just don't do anything outside of it.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
>Live in complete comfort
>Complain about people who live in comfort
Maybe we have assholes who believe that life is a cakewalk, but we have just as many if not more assholes who believe that life SHOULD be a cakewalk, and that other people should make it a cakewalk for them.
And you talk to me as if you're not *********** . Maybe I'm *********** , but making whiny, sarcastic comments on the internet doesn't make you any better.
>Complain about people who live in comfort
Maybe we have assholes who believe that life is a cakewalk, but we have just as many if not more assholes who believe that life SHOULD be a cakewalk, and that other people should make it a cakewalk for them.
And you talk to me as if you're not *********** . Maybe I'm *********** , but making whiny, sarcastic comments on the internet doesn't make you any better.
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lolollo (01/02/2016) [-] So your argument here...is that in each continuous statistic which can involve people...there are extremes which annoy everyone in the middle...
Good job guy, you clearly have yourself quite the breakthrough. The real question isn't whether those people exist or not, the question is whether you're the sort of person who would throw the good intentioned, hard working people under the bus under the guise "you just want a handout"? Because people like that are the ones who propogate the stereotype that it's impossible to get a job and make ends meet DESPITE working their asses like suggested.
So which one are you? Someone walks in to your place of employment and wants a job to feed themselves. Do you give it to them, or do you give it to the guy who's father you know, who can easily get a job on their own merit, and then justify it with " stop asking for handouts" despite it clearly not being what they're there for...
Good job guy, you clearly have yourself quite the breakthrough. The real question isn't whether those people exist or not, the question is whether you're the sort of person who would throw the good intentioned, hard working people under the bus under the guise "you just want a handout"? Because people like that are the ones who propogate the stereotype that it's impossible to get a job and make ends meet DESPITE working their asses like suggested.
So which one are you? Someone walks in to your place of employment and wants a job to feed themselves. Do you give it to them, or do you give it to the guy who's father you know, who can easily get a job on their own merit, and then justify it with " stop asking for handouts" despite it clearly not being what they're there for...
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
I'm not making an argument, you're not making an argument, and the content is certainly not making an argument. If you think any of this is even tangentially related to a reasoned discussion, then I don't even know what to say to you.
The issue is much more complex than the content, you, or myself can get into on a website for funny pictures. It's all just narrative and appeals to emotion.
I could write out a wall of text explaining my position, but I believe that it would be a waste of time. I could go into my history (which is far from ideal), but that wouldn't matter at all. I could talk about my experiences, but they probably don't matter to you. Because you already have this narrative glued to your brain as much as I have mine.
No petty disagreement on the internet is going to change that.
The issue is much more complex than the content, you, or myself can get into on a website for funny pictures. It's all just narrative and appeals to emotion.
I could write out a wall of text explaining my position, but I believe that it would be a waste of time. I could go into my history (which is far from ideal), but that wouldn't matter at all. I could talk about my experiences, but they probably don't matter to you. Because you already have this narrative glued to your brain as much as I have mine.
No petty disagreement on the internet is going to change that.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
What is the argument? There is a point, sure, but there isn't even a posed ethical solution where the argument could begin. There is no null hypothesis. There is nothing even resembling an argument.
It is entirely hypothetical. It's most likely not even based on a real event the artist witnessed or was a part of.
It is entirely hypothetical. It's most likely not even based on a real event the artist witnessed or was a part of.
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lolollo (01/02/2016) [-] > There is no null-hypothesis
That's because you're expecting to find everything with your head applied firmly up your ass. The argument is that the guy along the left half of the content was being insanely ignorant in his statements on success while an exception to his ruling was currently handing him his food. He's claiming nothing was ever handed to him, while his parents payed for college and used their connections to get him a job.
If you want to ignore it because "pffshhta just a hypothetical!" you can...though people on this website talk just like that. You're talking just like that. And people who talk like that are the primary reason there needs to be people who talk like that, because they're the ones exacerbating the problem.
That's because you're expecting to find everything with your head applied firmly up your ass. The argument is that the guy along the left half of the content was being insanely ignorant in his statements on success while an exception to his ruling was currently handing him his food. He's claiming nothing was ever handed to him, while his parents payed for college and used their connections to get him a job.
If you want to ignore it because "pffshhta just a hypothetical!" you can...though people on this website talk just like that. You're talking just like that. And people who talk like that are the primary reason there needs to be people who talk like that, because they're the ones exacerbating the problem.
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anon (01/02/2016) [-]
That's not an argument, bro.
I completely understand the point about having empathy for those who are disadvantaged. The moral of the story. There just isn't an argument being made. I'm not ignoring it at all.
The thing is, life is not as black and white as this. Most people will see this and come to the understanding that the point is that rich people are assholes and poor people are virtuous and hard working. Which is only the case in very specific circumstances like the hypothetical situation posed in the comic.
I completely understand the point about having empathy for those who are disadvantaged. The moral of the story. There just isn't an argument being made. I'm not ignoring it at all.
The thing is, life is not as black and white as this. Most people will see this and come to the understanding that the point is that rich people are assholes and poor people are virtuous and hard working. Which is only the case in very specific circumstances like the hypothetical situation posed in the comic.
#240 to #237
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lolollo (01/02/2016) [-] Fine then, what makes it not an argument? It's not the lack of a "null hypothesis", since the null hypothesis would be that he was completely accurate in his statement when asked on success. The argument here was that he was being ignorant, in the fact that his statements were incorrect. Since we reject the null hypothesis of "he was accurately portraying the process of his success" given what's shown in the content (him receiving several handouts and performing the same, if not less work than the person on the right) we accept the hypothesis that he was being incredibly ignorant in his statements on success.
So.
Thoughts?
Statements?
Quabbles?
So.
Thoughts?
Statements?
Quabbles?
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sgtmajjohnson (01/02/2016) [-] Yup, because everyone with money had a totally easy life that was stress free, while everyone without it was constantly sick, working multiple jobs, and had dying relatives.
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tazze (01/02/2016) [-] I think many of us have a misunderstanding about who we should help
we should not help those that are weak just because they are, we should help the people that, despite lacking the strength to stand up and make a better life for themselves, they try and give it their all, those are the people we should help without questioning, because their actions speak for themselves, and if we are in a position to help them, we definitely should help them, because we know for a fact that our help won't be wasted, heck, it could have been us, the ones born into a situation which limits our opportunities.
We have to stop believing that there's only the ones who only help themselves and the ones who give free handouts to everyone, we have to stop polarizing our own position and leave that to politicians, we are people, and the ones that make an effort and don't stomp their feet and whine and moan and blame everyone for their issues deserve our empathy, because in their attitude they show genuine quality as human beings, as our fellow countrymen, and as our brothers and sisters, it's not about left and right, or rich and poor, or black and white, it's about doing what's right.
we should not help those that are weak just because they are, we should help the people that, despite lacking the strength to stand up and make a better life for themselves, they try and give it their all, those are the people we should help without questioning, because their actions speak for themselves, and if we are in a position to help them, we definitely should help them, because we know for a fact that our help won't be wasted, heck, it could have been us, the ones born into a situation which limits our opportunities.
We have to stop believing that there's only the ones who only help themselves and the ones who give free handouts to everyone, we have to stop polarizing our own position and leave that to politicians, we are people, and the ones that make an effort and don't stomp their feet and whine and moan and blame everyone for their issues deserve our empathy, because in their attitude they show genuine quality as human beings, as our fellow countrymen, and as our brothers and sisters, it's not about left and right, or rich and poor, or black and white, it's about doing what's right.
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Skwurll (01/02/2016) [-]
As someone who was raised below the poverty line, I can see both sides of this.
My family was always poor, I never had the newest gadgets, the most stylish clothes, or a nice house.
My mother went hungry more than once to put food on the table for myself and my sister, she worked three jobs, pushing herself on the edge of exhaustion to make sure we had clothes to wear and food to eat.
So yeah, I started my first job at 14 (under the table due to labor laws) I moved out at 17 to lessen the burden of my mother supporting me, I was completely self-sufficient and independent at 18.
I was working fulltime as soon as I could, and right now I'm working 40-60 hours a week to put myself through college.
But I'm making progress.
I make enough to pay bills, I have a car in working order, I have an apartment, food in my cupboards.
I will never settle for menial, minimum wage jobs again. It was the hardest thing I've ever done, breaking the cycle of low-paying, **** jobs, but there are opportunities out there.
Don't be afraid to do grunt work, but make sure it's going to get you somewhere. Never settle for just barely getting by. I worked minimum wage for three years before I broke out of it.
You will be told no.
You will be passed over.
You will be told you're not qualified, you're not the candidate they're looking for, but you CANNOT give up.
**** the idea that you're not good enough, **** anyone who tells you that you can't, that you will never do it, **** anyone who holds you down.
Apply again, apply more places, walk into a place you want to work, ask about employment, bring your resume, present yourself as hard-working.
Work every job as if its making you millions, prove yourself.
So what if Richard had more opportunities? That doesn't make it impossible for you. If anything, that should drive you to give your kids that opportunity.
I'm rambling now, I apologize.
What I mean to say is this
Keep your head up, no matter if you come from nothing, we're all going to make it.
My family was always poor, I never had the newest gadgets, the most stylish clothes, or a nice house.
My mother went hungry more than once to put food on the table for myself and my sister, she worked three jobs, pushing herself on the edge of exhaustion to make sure we had clothes to wear and food to eat.
So yeah, I started my first job at 14 (under the table due to labor laws) I moved out at 17 to lessen the burden of my mother supporting me, I was completely self-sufficient and independent at 18.
I was working fulltime as soon as I could, and right now I'm working 40-60 hours a week to put myself through college.
But I'm making progress.
I make enough to pay bills, I have a car in working order, I have an apartment, food in my cupboards.
I will never settle for menial, minimum wage jobs again. It was the hardest thing I've ever done, breaking the cycle of low-paying, **** jobs, but there are opportunities out there.
Don't be afraid to do grunt work, but make sure it's going to get you somewhere. Never settle for just barely getting by. I worked minimum wage for three years before I broke out of it.
You will be told no.
You will be passed over.
You will be told you're not qualified, you're not the candidate they're looking for, but you CANNOT give up.
**** the idea that you're not good enough, **** anyone who tells you that you can't, that you will never do it, **** anyone who holds you down.
Apply again, apply more places, walk into a place you want to work, ask about employment, bring your resume, present yourself as hard-working.
Work every job as if its making you millions, prove yourself.
So what if Richard had more opportunities? That doesn't make it impossible for you. If anything, that should drive you to give your kids that opportunity.
I'm rambling now, I apologize.
What I mean to say is this
Keep your head up, no matter if you come from nothing, we're all going to make it.
