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l. Why terrorist don' t kidnap Russians '
In 1935, Hezbollah {Party of God} kidnapped Soviet diplomats in Beirut.
Hezbollah demanded Moscow pressure Syria to stop shelling rival Muslim
positions. as expected, Moscow ignored these demands.
Hezbollah then killed a hostage. Moscow took action. The KGB kidnapped
the Hezbollah leader' s relative. He was castrated and killed. The leader was
sent I' package with body parts and a note saying other relatives would
receive the same fate. The 3 remaining ' were immediately release.
This is the way Russia operates. Unlike theme. Russia takes action, they
don' t talk. and this is the language radical Muslims understand.
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User avatar #1 - nathtou ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
Just goes to show radicalized Muslims have no balls
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#51 to #1 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
kidnapping an (innocent) family has balls than kidnapping a diplomat?
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#75 to #51 - dislikinator (01/11/2016) [-]
Keyword 'castrated'.
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#59 to #51 - selfrazedzealot (01/11/2016) [-]
Now they don't mind sacrificing their children, better throw more respect and negotiation at them.
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User avatar #16 to #8 - yujisakaii ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
i know this from somewhere
what was it from ?
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#21 to #16 - theemperador (01/11/2016) [-]
That's richard from LFG
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User avatar #17 to #16 - greyhoundfd (01/10/2016) [-]
Some kind of musical about being the BBEG. Posted on here a while ago, though I don't remember the name.
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User avatar #20 to #17 - yujisakaii ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
Looking For Group: Slaughter Your World
Found it
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#31 to #20 - facepalmftw (01/11/2016) [-]
That was beautiful.
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User avatar #94 to #31 - LaBarata (01/11/2016) [-]
It was based off LFG, a long-running WoW webcomic. The author had this made and promised a full movie if he reached his kickstarter stretch goals. He promptly did, then promptly didn't, and proceeded to lambast anyone who actually tried to hold him to it, insisting he never said that (even as he forgot that taking the page saying he would off the navigation bar doesn't mean nobody can get to it)
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#4 - anon (01/10/2016) [-]
>the solution against terrorism is more terrorism

No.
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#79 to #4 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
...why not? It's not like talking has worked so far. Maybe mass killings would help if WE do the killing for once.
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#66 to #4 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Morals were created by powerful men to keep the idiots out of power.

You want to be successful in life? **** your morals, then **** your moral's wife because she's hot. Otherwise, feel free to stay a pussy bitch for the rest of your life.
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#115 to #66 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
*he typed from his mother's basement, one hand on the keyboard and the other firmly grasping the hilt of his totally real replica hattari hanzo sword. "I'll show them all someday."
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User avatar #110 to #66 - shrinkzz (01/11/2016) [-]
3edgy5me
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#119 to #4 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Terrorists, whether muslim or otherwise (e.g. school shooters, mass murderers, hillary clinton) do not speak with morals. Anyone willing to take a life or many lives for no real good cannot be reasoned with. Maybe at one point they could have, but when the barrel of their rifle is pointed at moral-filled innocents it is too late. We cannot reason with people like that.
The human psyche is by nature stubborn. You can preach peace and acceptance all you want, but at the end of the day, innocent people with morals suffer the most because of people who choose to forsake their morals. In my book, if you throw away your morals, you lose the right to be treated morally. If a muslim blows up a stadium and kills forty thousand people, what is the worth of their life? Is it more than those forty thousand they killed? Why should the muslim be treated with more respect than he gave? So we can afford to sit on our high horse and say "well I would never harm that many people, so you get to live in prison for the rest of your life."
**** em'. Kill them. Do it publically. That goes for school shooters or mass murderers. That goes for serial rapists. That goes for anyone that throws away their morals and brings harm to innocent people. Remind people that when they throw away their morals, they throw away what makes them human. In my eyes, it's not murder if they're not human in the first place. We're putting down a rabid dog. Sure, they may have family that loves them, but they should be thinking of that family rather than furthering their agenda. It's selfish, base, and immoral.
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#120 to #119 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
>>#119 Same anon, I'm not saying morals aren't important. I'm saying anyone that deems them unimportant loses the right to be treated morally. That's all.
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#7 to #4 - anon (01/10/2016) [-]
>the solution against terrorism worked, but it goes against my personal morals of rainbows, sunshine, friendship, tolerance and respect

People who adhere to morals are morons who can't be arsed to think something through rationally.
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User avatar #139 to #7 - assassindash ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
He can be Satan himself, but the point still stands morality doesn't work on people who don't give a **** about it.
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#97 to #7 - zmranger (01/11/2016) [-]
**zmranger used "*roll picture*"**
**zmranger rolled image**
>People who adhere to morals are morons who can't be arsed to think something through rationally.
Congratualions! You totally seem to be a mature and rational person. Not really. You sound like and edgy teen, IMHO.
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#127 to #7 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Look at me I'm immoral and lack principles. I'm so ******* rational. Killing the jews and gypsies is simply rational.


If you really looked at the reasons for terrorism you'd see that terrorism causes more terrorism. Obama has bombed a lot of terrorists and their innocent family members to death. The post above is the most obvious American right wing propaganda
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#111 to #7 - shrinkzz (01/11/2016) [-]
Yeah, beause that's exactly what he said. Hurr durr left wing = pussy commie hippies who hate 'murica! That's what you sound like.
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User avatar #5 to #4 - wcpapier ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
if it sounds stupid but it works it aint stupid
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User avatar #12 to #5 - angelious ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
its not about wether or not it works. its about moral standings and what sort of world we want to live in...

**** imagine if that was our go to plan with everything.

your cousin suddenly decides to become terrorist?
well you better ******* hide cause the cops are going to come snip off your balls for being related to a madman!
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#81 to #12 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
if you dont want to live in this world then kill yourself because this is the world we live in. What you "want" is irrelevant. Its eathier them killing you and your family and us killing them and their families. World is no utopia, your peacefull ways make you weak, easy target for people who dont adhere to your stupid rainbow and tolerance ideology.

You cant negotiate with rabid dog. Not everything can be solved with words. Sometimes smaller evil prevents bigger evil. We all know that but libtards chose to ignore it and live in their sunshine rainbow illusion, they are lucky because they live in first world.
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#112 to #81 - angelious ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
you arent combating terrorism by attacking innocent civilians for crimes they didnt commit. you are just creating more terrorism.



and sorry that i dont want to live in a world where the goverment is allowed to kill and torture people whenever it feels it is necessary.
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#92 to #5 - digitalmasterx ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
the means justify the ends
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User avatar #106 to #92 - killerliquid (01/11/2016) [-]
I think you've got it backwards bud
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#107 to #106 - digitalmasterx ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
i was parroting what the other guy was saying by repeating it in a phrase that accurately reflects what the person means, showing that its actually a terrible thing to say
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User avatar #108 to #107 - killerliquid (01/11/2016) [-]
oh, ok
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#6 to #4 - kaboomz (01/10/2016) [-]
>some guy comes into anon's house and kills his wife and rapes his daughter
>anon arrives home and the ****** is still there
>instead of picking up his shotgun and blow the rapist's brains out anon decides to drop his pants and ask the rapist to rape him as well
>"horaay for peaceful solutions" he screamed while the rapist ****** him in the ass and cut his throat with a knife while screaming "aloha snackbar"

how old are you?
there are situations in this world where peaceful solutions arent an option
theres people out there capable of hurting anyone for the stupidest ******* reasons or for no reason at all
when you encounter these types of people you need to act
good people die trying to be heros or doing the right thing at the wrong time

the dirty terrorist *********** in the middle east only understand one thing: a bullet in the brain
we are talking about people that wear explosive vests and detonate themselves in buses, trains or crowded areas
we are talking about people that train children to commit murder or even become suicide bombers
we are talking about people that despise everyone different than them and are willing to kill for those differences
how do you deal with people like this?
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User avatar #36 to #6 - handsomestalin ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
>some guy comes into anon's house and kills his wife and rapes his daughter
>anon arrives home and the ****** is still there
>instead of blowing the rapist's brains out anon decides to shoot rapists wife
Flawless solution
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#60 to #36 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
That solution doesn't work here because the rapist wasn't holding a hostage, think a little bit before you answer
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#65 to #60 - twentyten (01/11/2016) [-]
Sometimes emotion anguish is worse than death.
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#55 to #6 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Your scenario is not similar to the original comment nor is it logical.

To be like the Russian terrorists your man would have to rape and kill the Muslims probably innocent family.

To be like a normal rational functioning human being the man would simply kill the Muslim, and do his best to ensure his daughters recovery.

The original comment in no way implied the victim of terrorism or its nation would do nothing about the terrorism, they just wouldn't ignore the needs of the victim and would not resort to more terrorism.

To make your scenario more like the content and comment;
The man would come home and see the Muslim has captured his family, turn tail and leave. Do absolutely nothing while his wife and daughter get raped and slaughtered, then go and slaughter the Muslim's family. And that's both immoral and anti-productive.
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User avatar #57 to #6 - doctorcamden (01/11/2016) [-]
Forgot to log in;
>>#55
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#22 to #4 - thechosentroll (01/11/2016) [-]
I'm from this lovely little ******** called Bulgaria. Right above Greece, right on the border between Europe and Asia, one of the fastest way to get from the middle east to Europe and the promised land of benefits by land. Yet, somehow, we have next to no extremists and the refugees living here don't start **** . Wanna know why? Because violence. Some refugees tried to steal **** from the locals, so the locals beat the **** out of them. Some tried to attack people, so the police beat the **** out of them. Some extremists tried to start **** , so the police beat the **** out of them. Some more extremists tried to start **** , so the police beat the **** out of those, too. The extremists tried to threaten the local muslims, so the local muslims beat the **** out of them. They tried to threaten the gypsies, so the gypsies beat the **** out of them. It's now been 2 years since the whole thing started and we don't even have to beat the **** out of the extremists. The refugees are trying to fit in and they've adopted our ways, so they beat the **** out of the extremists themselves, so they stay on the polices good side and don't get the **** beaten out of them. Someone illegally crosses the border? Standard procedure is to beat the **** out of them and toss them on the other side of the fence, so they're Turkeys' problem now. Someone tries to cross, but they can't prove they're actually a refugee, stick a hand up their ass, fondle their tonsils a bit from the inside and send them back where they came from. And you know it's damn effective, cause the EU knows about it's the one thing they're not up our asses about. They'd never admit it, but they're glad there's violent bastards in the border regions, who keep the towelheads out.

I don't know where you're from, but that's how we do things around here. My country has been sitting in the same god forsaken spot for 1300+ years, during which it has been attacked by all sides by so much different **** our history could be mistaken for Warhammer 40k lore. And do you know why it's still here? Violence. Lots and lots of violence directed at the people trying to **** us. The "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" mentality west europeans preach is ******** . It only works that way if you let the other guy poke your eye out. Instead, you gotta poke both their eyes out, so they can't hit yours. You have to use enough force. Don't lightly poke the extremist cunts with political cartoons and jokes. ******* stab them with bullets. Or beat the **** out of them. Or at least molest them at the border like you do with your own damn citizens. Just do SOMETHING.
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#54 to #22 - epicanadian (01/11/2016) [-]
Bulgaria, keeping heresy in check since forever. jokes aside that is a very well put explanation.
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#45 to #22 - isolovegames (01/11/2016) [-]
Used to live in Georgia (US) and now I live in this god forsaken state called California, where everyone can beat the ever loving **** out of you but if you raise your voice at them (them being people of "color") you can get slapped with a lawsuit and if you're unlucky jail time. I've learned 2 things so far in this state- don't let home invaders leave your house alive and make good friends with the police. But yeah I hope more people learn violence can solve more things if applied at all.
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User avatar #156 to #45 - cheeseboyofdoom (01/11/2016) [-]
Live in NYC, and I swear the self-defense laws are as obtuse and esoteric as possible so they can charge anyone the way they feel like and it makes it a pain i nthe ass to protect yourself. Knuckle dusters are illegal in all forms (metal, plastic etc.) but guns aren't.
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User avatar #27 to #22 - carlonord ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
I stand by this guy, shame us Canadians seem to be so scared of offending people that we won't stand up for ourselves.

I got in **** for asking a chinese guy if he spoke mandarin (He was sunburned orange), this country disappoints me, damn city people.
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#99 to #22 - zmranger (01/11/2016) [-]
>MFW "stab them with bullets".
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#137 to #22 - ewood (01/11/2016) [-]
God bless you!
I live in germany, even in cologne, the town with the rapie sand ******* on new years eve. I wish one day, our country realieses where this is headed and start acting in favor of their own people..
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User avatar #32 to #22 - basstard (01/11/2016) [-]
That's a lot of beating of **** , and a lot of respect too.
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User avatar #2 - thebluedream (01/10/2016) [-]
Now the questions stands, did the relative have anything to do with this? I mean yes it got results but what is the point if you kill someone that had nothing to do with it to get your point across? I mean with Obama lately we dont get **** done, but in situations like this it usually ends with just the terrorist dead when U.S. operatives handle it.
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User avatar #151 to #2 - cantexplain ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
take one life, save 3. Ok so the one that was taken was innocent. The other 3 were probably innocent as well. Being a muslim relative makes you less likely to be abtucted, castrated and brutally murdered, than a Russian/American?European? That doesn't seem fair, and all muslim terrorists want is better treatment hue hue
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#131 to #2 - alixdtkari (01/11/2016) [-]
You may be right but when the fate and future of whole country (Russia) is at stake there is no time to **** around. The message is simple: We might **** on everything you love until you surrender (/release the prisoners/leave the city/etc), be it people that are related to you actions or not.
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#78 to #2 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Its true, but thats the moral question, is it okay to harm innocents to save bloodshed further down the line?
Logic says yes, if killing thousands could save millions then it would only be logical, see Nagasaki and Hiroshima. But we also do have a self inflicted moral obligation to try and do it without these actions. The radicals probably wont change or ever go away, they'll keep splintering until they're all dead. Who is to know what is right.
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#84 to #2 - rickardur (01/11/2016) [-]
Answer: No. but the diplomats arent any military figure either. they're just russians.

So that means: "we" kill some russians to get our point across (this point can vary on many points)

Retaliation means: (for russians) Kill any and all people that relate to the people that kill the russians.

I see no harm here, It's both stupid and if you do it you end up cutting your own hand.
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User avatar #9 to #2 - thebenders (01/10/2016) [-]
Did the diplomats deserve to be kidnapped and one killed, no they did nothing, they were just as innocent as the family members
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User avatar #10 to #9 - thebluedream (01/10/2016) [-]
No he didn't but we are no longer in ancient times and use the eye for an eye system
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User avatar #18 to #10 - greyhoundfd (01/10/2016) [-]
Yes, we should avoid using it on other civilized nations which equally understand that it is unacceptable. For those who truly do believe that revenge is the only basis of justice, who incite these actions because of their desire for unilateral power or revenge, you have to use the language of barbarism to assert your dominance, and remove their savagery over time until it is no longer needed.
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#14 to #10 - anon (01/10/2016) [-]
>lets not use eye for an eye
>lets just keep loosing our eyes while doing nothing its certainly better and more civilized = DDDDD

That's idiotic. Absolutely idiotic.

When it comes to your people dying eye for an eye is more than a good solution even if bleeding heart faggots like yourself or post #4 dislike it. This isn't some ******* story where the heroes save everyone or a ****** shooter video game where you go in, murder the terrorists and save the hostages. This is real life and in real life you have to do "morally questionable" things to survive or win. The world would have been far better and more efficient if we didn't have pansies like you pissing themselves over morals every two steps.
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User avatar #19 to #14 - greyhoundfd (01/10/2016) [-]
You can actually link to specific posts by using two right arrows. E.G., >>#4
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User avatar #39 to #14 - hoponthefeelstrain (01/11/2016) [-]
russia could have taken action before they killed one of the members. Just saying.
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User avatar #11 to #10 - thebenders (01/10/2016) [-]
We don't but sometimes we should, especially with people like this because they don't understand anything less
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#64 to #9 - kalaark (01/11/2016) [-]
The diplomats knew what they were walking into. The job of a diplomat is to negotiate with potentially hostile nations. The diplomat didn't deserve it, but knew he wasn't choosing the safest job, either. The relative that was killed might not have had, or wanted to have, anything to do with the situation, but was rather targeted because of something out of control (being a relative to another man). Out of the two, I'd certainly say that the KGB are the ones who took the more inhumane action. To respect that because "Well, at least they were actually doing something!" is to disregard any right to being a civilized society. This is the case because it's not about whether or not the victim deserved it. Rather, it's about what we're willing and unwilling to do, for our own sake.
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#69 to #2 - adu (01/11/2016) [-]
"but in situations like this it usually ends with just the terrorist dead when U.S. operatives handle it."

People believe this statement?
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User avatar #71 to #69 - deathstare (01/11/2016) [-]
Considering all the innocents they kill in other lands are just "hostile militia", yeah, Americans believe it. Some dudes in a helicopter killed some guys with those photography cameras with big lenses, and called them "militia holding weapons"

They said they did not ride their vehicles over dead bodies, and you can clearly see tanks and humvees rolling over the dead in videos. They kill way more than the "bad guys", and just call them all baddies.
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#80 to #71 - bann (01/11/2016) [-]
Pretty blanket statement to say "Americans" no? More or less "the western world".
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User avatar #89 to #80 - deathstare (01/11/2016) [-]
Call it what you will, but know that I speak of the US. It's accepted that the US is what people mean when they say Americans.
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User avatar #3 to #2 - bloodrocutation [OP]ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
the russians don't care about collateral damage
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#24 to #3 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
just like the theater hostage crisis in moscow
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#93 - digitalmasterx ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
i'm sorry but putting russia in high regard because they killed a terrorist's relative (which might not at all be a fan of what their terrorist relative is doing) is quite petty. and that is confirmed by the fact that this image compares obama to russia, like obama has any say in those types of operations...

the ends don't justify the means my friend.
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#35 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Russia does something extremely violent and brutal: "OMG so badass! Why can't America be more like that?"
America does something violent: "What the **** is wrong with America? ******* psychos!"
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#73 to #35 - vymastenaochechula ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
because america uses violence when it's not needed and vice versa
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User avatar #101 to #35 - salihzzz (01/11/2016) [-]
russia being brutal to stabilise the region
murica being brutal to support radical saudi wahabis and destabilise the region

pick one
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#140 to #101 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
Russia is USA with worse PR. Everybody loves to hate the good guy.
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User avatar #144 to #140 - salihzzz (01/11/2016) [-]
>everybody loves to hate the good guys
>they hate us cuz our freedum
>we came to help dem peoples

-Russia wants to stabilise the region and get rid of radicals because it will inevidably poor over to russia if they don't stop it
-USA wants to destablise the region and support radicals trough their saudi allies because it behooves them to

hurr durr deys the same
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#146 to #144 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
So tell me why a guy who gasses his own people isn't considered radical?
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User avatar #147 to #146 - salihzzz (01/11/2016) [-]
radical what?
are we talking about Assad? damn you're too easy to brainwash.
Assad wasn't the one using sarin gass it were the 'moderate' rebels. why would assad gas an are he already took back and use it too gas his own people? and how come there was a huge media coverage when people tought assad did it but as soon as proof started coming out that it were western supported rebels not a peep about the subject, not even and honest article stating it were the rebels. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320223/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-carrying-sarin-gas-attacks-blamed-Assads-troops.html

so yes please explain to me why american sponsored rebels are using sarin gas on a population half a world away?
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#152 to #147 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
Talking about different attacks

www.reuters.com/article/syria-crisis-chemical-idUSL6N0M21TT20140305

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/06/sarin-gas-attack-civilians-syria-government-un

BTW, your article talks only about one's official's opinion, which get denied by UN.
I can find more articles that blame Assad if you want.
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User avatar #155 to #152 - salihzzz (01/11/2016) [-]
neither of those articles claims assad used it merely that it was possibly the same as the chemical weapons stored by the royal army, the question remains why would assad gass a region he was about to take over and on top of that why the **** would he use chemical weapons in his own city, where he leads his operation from, where his people are the strongest? instead of lets say isis or rebel controlled areas instead of a suburb at the edge of his capital?

And none of those articles claim assad did it only that they don't believe the rebels would be capable of doing it? seriously? the same rebels that have clearly been armed verry wel couldnt get their hands on it? i bet you also believe red flaggs are fairy tales
here are some articles with truth in them
www.rt.com/news/study-challenges-syria-chemical-attack-681/
whowhatwhy.org/2014/12/01/really-used-chemical-weapons-syria/
www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/02/nigel-farage-syrian-rebels-chemical-attack
www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/
www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-report-confirms-that-opposition-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-against-civilians-and-government-forces/5363139
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#161 to #155 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
So news sources > UN?
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User avatar #162 to #161 - salihzzz (01/11/2016) [-]
you give 2 news reports that are clealy biased and never even state assad did it just try to drive the narative that way, with its entire basis lying on the fact that rebels possibly couldn't have done it. i give you news reports and a UN report clearly proving the opposit.

so i basicly have no idea what that last comment is going on about
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#163 to #162 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
You know what, i will ******* read the UN report. Lets see.

127. In its report, the United Nations Mission to Investigate Allegations of the Use of Chemical Weapons in the Syrian Arab Republic confirmed that chemical weapons, specifically sarin, had been used in multiple incidents during the conflict. The commission independently collected information, confirming this finding in the case of Al-Ghouta (21 August), Khan Al-Assal (19 March) and Saraqib (29 April).
128. In Al-Ghouta, significant quantities of sarin were used in a well-planned indiscriminate attack targeting civilian-inhabited areas, causing mass casualties. The evidence available concerning the nature, quality and quantity of the agents used on 21 August indicated that the perpetrators likely had access to the chemical weapons stockpile of the Syrian military, as well as the expertise and equipment necessary to manipulate safely large amount of chemical agents. Concerning the incident in Khan Al-Assal on 19 March, the chemical agents used in that attack bore the same unique hallmarks as those used in Al-Ghouta.

Oooh: " the perpetrators likely had access to the chemical weapons stockpile of the Syrian military, as well as the expertise and equipment necessary to manipulate safely large amount of chemical agents" Had access to the Syrian's military stockpile, damn rebels, stealing chemicals in large quantities from military bases.

130. On 26 August, an army fighter jet dropped two incendiary bombs on the town of Urem Al-Koubra (Aleppo), one of which landed on a school. The bomb created “a ball of fire” that killed 10 civilians and severely injured dozens of others, mostly children and teenagers. While it remains unclear what flammable material was used, the bomb caused napalm-like effects. Victims, some of whom did not survive, were disfigured, with second- and third-degree burns on up to 80 per cent of their bodies, and suffered extreme pain.

Damn rebels stealing fighter planes from Syrian government. **** , this took me less than 5 minutes. I have exam tomorrow so i won't be able to delve deeper into the UN report today so maybe tomorrow we will find some more interesting info.
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User avatar #165 to #163 - salihzzz (01/12/2016) [-]
do you even know how to read or are you activly skimming past the articles i posted?
**** it let me recap the same comment i've posted 3 times now because some people are just so ******* dense.

they still don't claim those were chemical weapons stockpiled by assad. The only only claim it could've possibly been assads because the chemical weapons weren't **** tier created by a bunch of savages.
so lets recap for mister i'm half mentaly chalenged
the main reason it is said that the saring gass was used by assad is, the strengt and quality of the gas, the means to deliver the gas, and the position from whee it was fired. all these claims come from the american side(why would they lie and blame assad i dunt knew hur dur) but this story fell apart almost as soon as the amrican side posted it.

>sarin gas
The rebels didn't create the gas they got it from one of their supporters likely saudi arabia
>the meens to deliver the package
if you had read the articles i posted it is pretty clear the rebels are capable of launching the gas
> the number of casualties seem to be exagerated and are only confirmed by the us and the rebels all other sides claim the death toll to be far lower

Further on the subject you keep claiming as if it was impossible for the rebels to have sarin gas and that seems to be your only crutch in the argument but the al nusrea front or as you like to call them the 'moderate rebels' have been caught in turkey with sarin gas and it is most prabably from saudi arabia

and what about the shelling are you serious 10 people died? seriously? you're going to talk **** about ten people dying against the atrocities commited by isis and the moderate rebels? are you an isis operative or something?

ffs do you even read the articles i post
www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/02/syria-crisis-questions-answered
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#166 to #165 - heyyoutoo (01/12/2016) [-]
">sarin gas
The rebels didn't create the gas they got it from one of their supporters likely saudi arabia "
So the rebels are skilled into mixing highly dangerous chemicals without killing themselves?
>the meens to deliver the package
"if you had read the articles i posted it is pretty clear the rebels are capable of launching the gas "
If you had read my articles, you would see that Assad also had means to do that, your point was addressed there.
"Further on the subject you keep claiming as if it was impossible for the rebels to have sarin gas and that seems to be your only crutch in the argument but the al nusrea front or as you like to call them the 'moderate rebels' have been caught in turkey with sarin gas and it is most prabably from saudi arabia " - never said that. You can ctrl-f if you want, won't find me saying that.
"and what about the shelling are you serious 10 people died? seriously? you're going to talk **** about ten people dying against the atrocities commited by isis and the moderate rebels? are you an isis operative or something? " - but others do more bad stuff, bohoo. That is your argument. So a person who killed another person shouldn't be prosecuted just because his neighbor killed 10.. That is your argument.
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User avatar #41 to #35 - garymuthafuknoak (01/11/2016) [-]
I'm pretty sure the people that get mad at America doing something brutal like this are the same people who would disagree with the Russians too
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User avatar #62 - vortexrain (01/11/2016) [-]
You act like the media wouldn't ride Obama's ass like a whore if he did something like this.
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User avatar #68 to #62 - manofparody (01/11/2016) [-]
This.


The ******* media and people would have a field day.

Protip: No matter what you do as president, everyone will tell you you're wrong.
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User avatar #48 - congorepublic (01/11/2016) [-]
Your cousin is a terrorist? We're gonna snip yer balls off.

What the **** kind of propaganda is this? I'd rather be a pussy than go against my principles. Not only has this tactic been proven to be ineffective at combating terrorism, it actually does the OPPOSITE, and gives terrorists more high-ground for recruitment, you ******* imbeciles.

God damn, people are stupid.
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#122 to #48 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
I remember a quote that said something to the effect of "The only ones who have honor are the ghosts in the wind."
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#28 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
This is not comparing Russia with the USA. Instead it is comparing 1986 to 2015.
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User avatar #23 - fiveblackmen (01/11/2016) [-]
Does whoever created this not realize the Soviet Union no longer controls Russia?
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#30 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
because, of course, attacking and torturing relatives of terrorists, not the actual terrorists is totally moral and definitely not something terrorists themselves would do.
And fear tactics are totally what a developed nation should use, instead of a trained spec ops unit to cleanly eliminate the threat there and then, like the US, England, Canada, and every other country that has some sense (See SAS, FBI SWAT/JSOC, JTF 2, etc)
And of course, the president is the only person who is responsible for terrorism, definitely not the other leaders of the world


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#142 to #30 - heyyoutoo (01/11/2016) [-]
>Russia
>Developed Nation
Pick one
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User avatar #42 - nought ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
still couldn't win afghanistan lol
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#133 to #42 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Stay cucked.
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User avatar #38 - drl (01/11/2016) [-]
They do kidnap russians
russia doesent pay
they get killed
do your homework faggot
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#13 - kewolsky (01/10/2016) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege Ah yes, the Russian way of dealing with hostage situations
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User avatar #25 to #13 - ninesundev (01/11/2016) [-]
But to be fair, after reading this I would not take any hostage in Russia, as this shows, that they don't act as a shield there. You know, everything as a bright side, sometimes. With fantasy. An awful lot of fantasy.
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User avatar #34 to #25 - theladystrangler (01/11/2016) [-]
Or, that taking an area hostage is a great way to make people hate their government and to reduce the country's standing in the world. Which is what this did.
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#72 - BobbyMcFerrin (01/11/2016) [-]
Yes, the country that prides itself on being founded upon Enlightenment ideals of justice should be more like the totalitarian countries it distanced itself from, and prevent crime by mutilating anyone whose path crosses with that of a criminal.

Make America great again indeed. Why not remember what set us apart to begin with?
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User avatar #85 to #72 - ashampoo ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
preventing crime by adding more guns to schools, so it wont happen again
thats my boy
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#102 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
The **** is wrong with russia? Theyre the most ****** up boarderline 1st/2nd world country iv ever seen. The killed their own, pushed their troops into battle with no guns, did the same concentration camp **** as the nazis before they entered WW2 and durring the cold war. They told their men to charge Stalingrad resulting in over a million soldiers deaths. They threatened the world with nukes, they raped women in countries they held and right on the other side of the iron curtain. They assasinate their own politics they font agree with. They killed over 2 million civilians intentionally in the afgan-russian war for oil and land. They higher neo-nazis to do dirty work in the Ukrainian conflict. They hand over long range high altitude anti-air missiles to terrorist WITHOUT TRAINING, resaulting in shooting down a Malaysia 17. They attack ukrain with propaganda injection, which the US is STILL recovering from from the cold war. They take land away from a country without promition before the UN can give the Ukrain the chance to get **** under control. And now their being cock heads and helping Isis in the middle east!!!

Really? The newest BTR isnt in syrias arsenal.
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User avatar #125 to #102 - nanako (01/11/2016) [-]
hey, no, you cut that out.

Russia != USSR
Don't compare modern russia with anything that happened in the soviet era
The USSR was the worst thing to ever happen to humanity and it deserves all the insults you can throw at it, but the russian federation is a very different thing..
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User avatar #160 to #125 - meganinja ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
You could say the same about Germany and the 3rd Reich, yet people still give Germany **** .
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#159 to #125 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
It's not Russia I'm worried about. It's the Russian Orthodox Church that teaches homophobia, nationalism, and other outdated cultural morality. It's sad, but Russia could have done so much better than Vladamir Putin, and they deserve better.
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User avatar #130 to #102 - nanako (01/11/2016) [-]
As for the things relevant to modern russia:

All the afghan/russian stuff was caused by america deliberately funding terrorists to cause problems for russia, it's been doing it for years, they created Al Qaeda in the 70s for that reason. When you've got slaving lunatics on your door with modern weapons handed to them, a bloody war is inevitable.

Neo nazis? Well this video was taken on the western, government-controlled side of ukraine: www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuDzXAgdf4

I don't know about missiles to terrorists, but i wouldn't be surprised. As mentioned, america does it too, and far, FAR more.
MH17 is very much a mystery, but i'd wager it more on being done by ukraine in an attempt to trigger war. Russia had no quarrel with a random planeful of dutch people, and everything to lose.

Ukraine: Propaganda is an inevitable part of war. Incase you've missed it, western governments are bombarding US with propaganda on the same issue too, you've been swallowing it.

Taking land is an inevitable part of war. Every country in every part of history for millenia has been doing it constantly. It's only become less fashionable in the past few centuries with the rise of aviation and more focus on resources than terrain. Nevertheless, it is still going on. Have a look at the middle east sometime. Iraq, afghanistan, libya. Not to mention all the land that israel has slowly annexed over the past 7 decades. To judge russia in isolation for annexing some land, without applying the same standard to others doing it, is pretty arbitrary and selective.

Your last line? No. They're not helping isis. Very, very very far from it, they're striking the greatest blows against isis. Russia is launching airstrikes all over syria to support assad's government. The legitimate government of syria, and russia's ally. Good people don't abandon their allies. Russia is also the only party in syria that is there by invitation, western airstrikes are unauthorised and illegal
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User avatar #116 to #102 - isradam (01/11/2016) [-]
They're the wildcard
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User avatar #47 - tapeworms (01/11/2016) [-]
Huhuh Russia so cool Obama sux. Really, you're gonna fight violence with violence against some terrorist's family? Yeah, man so cool. Russia killed hundreds of civilians recently when they bombed the **** out of Turkey to "remove terrorists", after Turkey shot down an invasive military aircraft, of course. **** off, by the way. Because even ff America had done this there would have been a huge ********* and you know it.
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#123 to #47 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Yet Russia is the only country people are not willing to mess with.
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User avatar #154 to #123 - everyziggy (01/11/2016) [-]
Except that Russia is constantly having problems with extremists.
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User avatar #98 - hanklecram (01/11/2016) [-]
Death to Extremists
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User avatar #100 to #98 - bigbrostrider (01/11/2016) [-]
extreme death to extremely extreme extremists.
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User avatar #46 - cannonofanon (01/11/2016) [-]
LOL "stoop to the level of the people who live their life by the philosophy of a bunch of bronze-age Shepherds to make them stop."
Wtf is that **** ?
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#124 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
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#91 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
Back in Afghanistan the Russians straight up lost and ran away, so no, they are not a rolemodel in how to deal with terrorists
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