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#5 - mrloko (11/04/2015) [-]
what does this have to do with Julius Caesar?
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#83 to #5 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
well that's actually augustus...
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User avatar #6 to #5 - ChromedDragon (11/04/2015) [-]
he had more capacity than others, a free man with no equal
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#69 to #6 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image**but statues can't speak.
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#45 to #6 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
I have trouble remembering if it was Augustus or Julius that had the idea to invade less developed neighbors for easy conquest but instead of just taking the land he just sold their entire country into slavery to finance large, difficult campaigns.

Whichever it was I mean, that was horrible, but it worked amazingly. I hope it was Julius, if only to make this image more ironic.
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#118 to #45 - boxinabox ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
First name Augustus, family name Julius. You'll also here the name "Caesar Augustus" tossed around, Caesar being "ruler" or "emperor". Romans, man.
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#41 to #6 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image** That was a badass explanation
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#40 - buttkickerboy (11/05/2015) [-]
When you have communism
all are equal
all are free
no protest or you get shot
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User avatar #131 to #40 - communistcentral (11/05/2015) [-]
gulags
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#49 to #40 - pikumin (11/05/2015) [-]
**pikumin used "*roll picture*"**
**pikumin rolled image**Id like to make my own money and not leech/get leeched off of.
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User avatar #136 to #40 - secondlawprevails (11/05/2015) [-]
Yup, equally poor and miserable.
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#1 - anon (11/04/2015) [-]
This has been one of my favorite quotes for a while now.

Most people searching for 'equality' are actually just fighting to make everyone and everything the same. But people are not that way. We have differences, and those difference form strengths and weaknesses. The sum of them all may be equal, but it's just naive to believe that any two individuals on this planet are truly equal.
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#2 to #1 - anon (11/04/2015) [-]
yeah, but it's not fair, is it now?
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User avatar #4 to #2 - dillwithit (11/04/2015) [-]
I'm sorry you grew with your parents teaching you life is fair, it is not fair, it has never been fair, and it will never be fair.
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User avatar #28 to #4 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-]
he was very clearly being satirical.
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User avatar #34 to #28 - paradoxofnight ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
Poe's Law
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User avatar #35 to #34 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-]
he was very clearly an extremist.
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User avatar #77 to #4 - qauronexoforce (11/05/2015) [-]
So you don't believe it to better nor aspire to the thought of having a world where everyone has equal opportunities?
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#81 to #77 - saladiskilling (11/05/2015) [-]
Sure, let's aspire for it, it may even be achievable. Let's just not make the mistake of hurting ourselves in pursuit of that goal.
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#94 to #77 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
Even if everyone had the same opportunities and the same chances, still people would say that life is unfair, and that we need equality, because people are inherently born unequal. Life is never going to be equal or balanced because the idea of what it means to be equal is subjective, and not anyone would be smart enough to realize an opportunity before them.
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User avatar #130 to #77 - Trrave (11/05/2015) [-]
The problem with that is this. For everyone to have the same opportunities, you don't often make things better for those who have less, instead you take them away from those who already have them.
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#137 to #4 - TheJackle (11/05/2015) [-]
it's difficult to make everyone equal but easy to give everyone equal chances
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User avatar #56 to #2 - oceanfrank (11/05/2015) [-]
Yeah it's not fair that my parents had me in the US and Ubuntu Mambiku from Nigeria is born in a refugee camp in Nigeria but hey man that's life.
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User avatar #72 to #2 - bothemastaofall (11/05/2015) [-]
Communist equality ain't fair either; you're holding people back.
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User avatar #75 to #1 - totocows (11/05/2015) [-]
This is more about how in a natural world free of government, the strongest groups of people would still naturally over power the weaker ones as the course of human nature. The ones with the most power will sit comfy and the lesser will still be under them.
Whatever means these are through can depend.
The only real way of creating equal standing among peoples through a government that enforces it. Even then there are going to be some on top and a lot on the bottom.
Idk what you mean by 'equality' cause it sounds like your thinking of communism.
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#10 to #1 - anon (11/04/2015) [-]
I agree with this anon.

I'm A little drunk but I would like to rant that, most of my qualities are philosophical or imaginative. Both of which are useless in a workplace, in fact, they are a hindrance, but that doesn't make them invalid.

There are a lot of people just like me who aren't meant to become C.E.O's or Managers, but find their places in their hobbies. Through arts and building type 2 people can change the world regardless of whether we get credit for it, but only if we get paid enough to survive.

That is what the fight for 15$/hr is all about. Type 2 people envision, that is our unpaid job in our society. Type 1 people put that into practice, a far harder job, that's why they get paid more. If you make a society in which type 2 people are struggling to survive then you are creating a society in which type 1 people are struggling to come up with ideas.
Without type 2 people to give them the Idea's then type 1 people can't put them into practice. Period.

Whether you view it as "fair" that type 1 people should be paid more is up to you. But it is, and it always will be. Personally, I don't mind it, If I'm paid enough to find a love and raise a child then who cares? I've accomplished my ultimate goal. I'm happy.
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#11 to #10 - autoxx (11/04/2015) [-]
I'm an inventor, I thrive on new ideas.
I'm also a carpenter, fabricator, machinist, millwright, welder, designer, etc.

Money is there for the willing, the problem is that many are unwilling to suck it up and work hard for it.
I generally only have to work for 2 months a year to provide enough to create for the rest of the year (I put my creations online for others to build for free).
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#32 to #1 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
they can only be equal in choices but this doesn't mean they are equally able to make them
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User avatar #22 to #1 - victhree (11/05/2015) [-]
The beauty of this quote is that it goes the other way around as well. Only when we understand that equality and freedom are two faces of the same coin can we truly discuss this topic.
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#50 to #1 - hikakiller (11/05/2015) [-]
I have a teacher that thinks that america is completely equal-opportunity, where everyone can achieve the same thing. Can't talk him out of it.
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User avatar #132 to #50 - meganinja ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
No your teacher is right. Everybody has the capability of making something of themselves in the U.S. regardless of race, gender, etc.. and it's mostly equal. Your starting point and your intelligence/work ethic determine much, much more than anything else could.
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User avatar #68 to #1 - bronynexgen (11/05/2015) [-]
Equality != Equity
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User avatar #12 to #1 - letting (11/04/2015) [-]
I believe in equality from a standpoint that everybody should get an even footing in life. You should start with a clean slate, and your race, gender, family history, or anything else that is beyond your control shouldn't affect your place in the world.

No, your place in the world should be determined by you, and you alone. Only self-perseverance and hard work can help you rise society's ladder, and if you choose to be a lazy worthless **** , then you deserve the treatment of a lazy, worthless **** .

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User avatar #24 to #12 - victhree (11/05/2015) [-]
That's how it would work in theory, but perfect capitalism cannot happen. No one gets a completely blank slate to start with, no one agrees on what doing things right means, and no one system is perfect. Accepting capitalism entirely, just like accepting any social structure as definitive, is a fallacy. One we have to live with.
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#80 to #24 - tazze (11/05/2015) [-]
imperfect capitalism is still better than imperfect communism
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#163 to #80 - victhree (11/05/2015) [-]
I'm ok with this.
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#95 to #80 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
Well said.
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#18 to #12 - omnipotentsoap (11/05/2015) [-]
by that definition true equality is impossible
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User avatar #133 to #12 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
Except no. Literally everything important is decided by birth.
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User avatar #44 to #1 - anonymoussarcasm (11/05/2015) [-]
I believe that when people want equality they are actually wanting equity.
Equality would be if everyone who had a broken arm got the same amount of morphine.
Equity would be some people would get more because they needed more and some less because they did not need as much. If that makes sense.
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User avatar #46 to #1 - cannibalvegan ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
Equal opportunity is the best system, it gives us freedom, but makes life as fair as possible without limiting us, equal outcome that many feminists preach is ******* cancer and basically just communist ******** that is a threat to our freedom. Choosing a black guy or a woman over a "privileged white man" who is more fit for the position is discrimination, it's discriminating against the elite. If every woman sucks at a certain job and thus are underrepresented within a group then so be it, your character is what really matters, not your ******* skin color and whether you have a dick or not.
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User avatar #63 to #1 - Ruspanic (11/05/2015) [-]
This really depends on what one means by equal.
Equality in the classical liberal sense - as in, "all men are created equal" - doesn't mean everyone's the same, it just means everyone has the same inherent rights and the same inherent worth by default. It could also mean that all of us are equals, and no one is inherently superior or "above" anyone else. This doesn't deny differences in individual strengths and weaknesses.
I think most people who have historically fought for equality fought for equal rights or equal opportunities. That's essentially what gender equality, racial equality, etc are supposed to be about, at least prior to this "social justice" trend. (But then, social justice types are fighting for social justice, not equality)
When people talk about wealth (in)equality that's something different, obviously.
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#60 to #1 - CommonJoo (11/05/2015) [-]
I agree that people are different. No one is or should be the same. However I believe what people really want and need is equal rights and opportunity.

And no I do not mean affirmative action and all that crap. If you're gonna give black scholarships you better give every other ethnicity the same **** . Don't deny a person something based off of anything except ability. Everyone should be allowed to attempt or try anything. Whether they succeed is a different matter, and that's where different strengths and weakness come into play.

Also **** the people who argue semantics with this whole "equity" vs "equality" crap. You know what they mean. Yes people give it a bad name but still, you are not clever.
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User avatar #8 to #1 - burnboy ONLINE (11/04/2015) [-]
The idea of equality was really created to counter the concept of elitism. Just because someone is born into a certain family, or has a specific skin color, or is exceptionally strong/intelligent/talented doesn't mean that they are a better person than someone else.

Not saying that all people are the same. Everyone has some trait(s), skill(s), or ability that separates them from everyone else, but at then end of the day we're all human.

We all live and we all die. We all need food, water, and shelter to survive and have the potential to flourish. When cut, we all bleed.

Equality isn't the idea that we're all the same, just that we're all human and that no amount of skills or prestige will make you anything more or less than human.
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User avatar #9 to #8 - unladenswallow (11/04/2015) [-]
There are a ******* of people who need to be beaten unconscious with this information.
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User avatar #37 to #8 - satansferret (11/05/2015) [-]
We might all be human but there are many who are better than others.
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User avatar #64 to #37 - Ruspanic (11/05/2015) [-]
Better at what?
You can't just be "better".
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User avatar #100 to #64 - erotictentacle ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
he probably was comparing a robbing junkie to a janitor or something

You know, someone more ethically and morally strict
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User avatar #165 to #100 - satansferret (11/05/2015) [-]
Pretty much.
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User avatar #33 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-]
People too commonly confuse 'equality' with 'being treated equally'

People are not equal, but they must be treated equally.
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#54 to #33 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
One of the greatest paradoxes of life.
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User avatar #59 to #54 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-]
The more I'm exposed to life and humanity and ideologies, the more I realise that so much of what we think and do is paradoxical or self-sustaining or circular or ambiguous or horribly ironic or hypocritical or counter-intuitive. Its frustrating to the point where I have comforting thoughts of death. Truth is so fleeting and unattainable and a shift in perspective is all it takes to turn truth into propaganda. I endlessly question what I think. I'm the exact kind of person I hate. I could be stuck in a sphere of interpretation controlled by automatic thought processes developed by my brain. I've seen how easy it is for people to be taken in by arguments that appear logically sound but don't hold up to reality. I've seen how possible it is for an adult human brain to fall for tricks of logic and illusions of reason. The nature of a delusion is that the victim doesn't know they are deluded. I'm almost confident that in this very moment I am subject to some grand delusion that I am unaware of. I can only safely assume that is the case. The world is too perfect. Logic is too beautiful. Delusions are too symmetrical. Am I normal? I will never know. I will never experience reality outside of my own perception. Everybody believes their own opinions to be true, otherwise they wouldn't hold them. How can I come to conclusions other than those of other people and vice versa? How do I know that I am not the one tricked? I truly believe that I am on the right side of everything there is to debate. That sounds horribly egocentric but of course I think I'm right. If I thought I was wrong, I would think something else and believe that new thought to be true. So, does everybody think this way? How can people come to conclusions without subjecting them to rigorous scrutiny? The media, the internet, religion, life, death, war, history. It's honestly all too much. It's like a sensory overload sometimes and I know I will never see resolve. That alone is enough to make me wish I was never exposed to this ******* delusion.
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User avatar #62 to #59 - leightonsolomon (11/05/2015) [-]
Thanks Aristotle
I agree completely, but dwelling on that just makes life depressing anyway, and explaining it makes you sound arrogant and autistic / edgy
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User avatar #66 to #62 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-]
I knew that comment was coming. It was a stream of consciousness for no audience and I'm glad you agree with some of it. Ignore the format, structure and poor word choice and focus on the content. It's impossible to write anything from the mind without sounding like you are just 'trying to sound interesting'.
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User avatar #67 to #33 - Ruspanic (11/05/2015) [-]
people mean different things when they say "equal".

I'd disagree with the statement that "people are not equal", but that's because my conception of the word "equality" is in the "all men are created equal" sense, meaning everyone has the same inherent worth and rights as individuals, not that everyone is actually the same.
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User avatar #161 to #67 - deutschblut (11/05/2015) [-]
What if you are an atheist?
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User avatar #169 to #161 - Ruspanic (11/06/2015) [-]
"Created" doesn't have to be taken literally here. You can just substitute it with the word "born".
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#7 - garymuthafuknoak ONLINE (11/04/2015) [-]
And when you give them so much freedom, all of a sudden, a few are free and the rest are not.
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User avatar #13 to #7 - castereleven (11/05/2015) [-]
Elaborate
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User avatar #16 to #13 - garymuthafuknoak ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
Capitalism. So many companies get the freedom to become so powerful that the people who work for them end up losing their freedom. When companies become powerful they usually control the government, which then restricts the people's freedom. i.e: merrica
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User avatar #17 to #16 - castereleven (11/05/2015) [-]
Not capitalism. That's what's called crony capitalism, and I hate to say it but it is an issue we have here in the US.
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#93 to #17 - kingpongthedon (11/05/2015) [-]
Except when you look at the last 150 years of labor and economics it's blatantly obvious that a free market didn't free the average person.

150 years ago you could literally own a human being, slaves were considered capital just like land or livestock. The free market allowed for this and anybody who was opposed to it was considered an anti-capitalist. Damn that commie bastard Lincoln for freeing all those slaves.

After half a million people died for the express purpose of killing agriculture in America, we get wage slavery. Those same plantation owners realized they could pay their ex-slaves just enough to get by but not enough to better themselves that they'd essentially be stuck working for you for almost less than before. Factory owners up North picked up the tactic pretty quick too. It hasn't died out either.

Then we get the turn of the century issues. You had people working for scrip, if you're not familiar with the concept, imagine if you only got paid in gift cards to where you work. But hey, the free market allowed it so it must be good. Then there's the whole general disregard for human worth issues associated with the factories at this time but that's pretty depressing so we'll skip too many details. Around this time we get that freedom hating Teddy Roosevelt come in and kill the free market with a number of restrictions on the market and labor. This made him one of the most popular presidents in history.

After that we get the Great Depression which is caused by fluctuations in a poorly regulated stock market. It is solved by massive government spending and workers programs, in both civil programs and the largest military conflict we've ever seen. Many of the most vocal capitalists at the time, such as Henry Ford, actively supported fascist dictators and even went so far as to plot fascist coups in the US.

And today organizations such as the EPA and FDA are demonized for making sure our food, air, and water are safe primarily because they "interfere with the free market." I don't know about you but I find it liberating to know that I don't have to worry that I'm not going to get salmonella from drinking tap water.

Each time one of these restrictions was placed on the free market, the freedom, liberty, and quality of life of the average citizen went up. Now I'm far from advocating we live in a completely socialized society but anybody with even a passing familiarity with labor will know that the average person was not freer when the market was.

And yeah, cronyism is a large part of the problem but it's inevitably going to arise in a free market. How do you propose we get rid of it without instituting restrictions on the market?
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User avatar #19 to #17 - garymuthafuknoak ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
Capitalism creates it though. And yea, Capitalism a Love Story by Michael Moore sums it up. Good documentary.
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User avatar #38 to #19 - youregaylol (11/05/2015) [-]
>trusting Michael Moore to be honest about capitalism
>trusting Michael Moore to be honest about anything

The fact that people still think that obese millionaire is credible is sickening.
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User avatar #65 to #38 - Ruspanic (11/05/2015) [-]
>implying that being an obese millionaire is a bad thing
What are you, anti-capitalist?
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#92 to #65 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (11/05/2015) [-]
Those people never live to see the consequences of actions of those with great capital, which is why they cannot be considered credible...
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User avatar #27 to #19 - castereleven (11/05/2015) [-]
In a true capitalist society government intervention is heavily limited. The cause of crony capitalism is not capitalism but rather it's distortion at the hands of the state. Without the power of the state, big business would have no choice but to play by the rules of the free market.
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User avatar #48 to #16 - AnomynousUser (11/05/2015) [-]
Are you saying that people are most free when an organization forcibly steals your money and you have no say in it? At least when you disagree with a company, you can just not give them business; if you try to do the same with government, you'll be in jail or dead.
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User avatar #85 to #48 - emiyashirou ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
Taxes aren't the government 'stealing' money. Taxes are tolls on being allowed to depend on the country's infrastructure, including public roads, street lighting, military, education systems, fire fighting, the land you're standing on etc. etc.
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User avatar #140 to #85 - AnomynousUser (11/05/2015) [-]
And the parasites, the bailouts, the inefficient bureaucratic waste, other people's retirement, other people's bills, and student loans that will contribute to the $1 trillion education bubble, etc., etc.

And when they take the money that you earned without your consent and the only other options are to flee the country, go to jail, or get shot (by refusing either), then I don't see what else it would be called except for stealing.
The only things a government should be involved in are military, police/fire department, maybe roads, and maybe a few things like NASA. But that is currently the minority of where the money is going.
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User avatar #143 to #140 - emiyashirou ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
Bailouts are done because if those companies go down, the entire economy is ****** . You'll get retirement pension from other people's taxes as well, so it balances out. If by bills you mean welfare, I agree the system is inefficient, but would you rather have people just starve to death? Also, student loans are expected to be paid back, so I'm not sure what your argument there is.

The only real valid arguments I really see here are the parasites and bereaucratic waste.
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User avatar #144 to #143 - AnomynousUser (11/05/2015) [-]
The beauty of a free market economy is that it is resilient. Yeah, there'd be some damage if a company wasn't bailed out, but quite quickly, those jobs would be replaced. New and more efficient jobs would come out (ones that wouldn't take the same risks as their predecessors), and the world would continue to spin.

And why do you enjoy enslaving future generations to paying for your retirement? You do realize that this is a relatively new program and that we won't get the same money as we put in, because the baby boomers simply have more people that we have to pay for, right?And that's assuming that the program's still around by the time we retire. Do you know what might be a little better than forcing people to pay for others' retirements? Letting them invest that same money into their own retirements, which would yield better results and more independence.

You care about the poor and needy, right? The vast majority of people do. So why do you think we need a government program to help them? Especially when it's as inefficient as it is and actually traps people into poverty (here's a well-cited video relating to poverty www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-5rxFDXW4E ). How about we donate to charities who have track records and are more personalized to the people, which will actually help them out of poverty and put more of the funds towards the cause?

Then the student loans... Yeah, they're supposed to be paid back. But then again, the government wasn't supposed to push housing on us from the late 90's to the recent recession, and banks weren't supposed to hand out so many loans to people who clearly couldn't pay them off. People are getting student loans without any proof that they'll be able to pay them back, and a lot of them aren't. The amount of people who don't pay their loans is astounding, and only getting bigger. The bubble will burst and the students will probably be bailed out, as well. Which will cost the tax payers, many of who didn't want to support the federal loans in the first place, very dearly.
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User avatar #147 to #144 - emiyashirou ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
The purpose of bailing out company A isn't to save jobs in company A, it's to save everyone that relies on company A (mainly people who company A owes money to).

It's not that new of a program, it's been around for around 100 years in most countries. Also, the a large of your pension does indeed come from money you saved up yourself (The more you paid in your pension fund, the higher your pension. Unless your country works differently than mine).

As I said, the way the government is inefficient, but if it's optional to pool money towards charity, the amount available will be a hell of a lot smaller.

Student loans aren't an issue in my country, but I guess in America they are.
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User avatar #149 to #147 - AnomynousUser (11/05/2015) [-]
Again, the world would continue to spin and the jobs would be regained. You can't progress quickly without a few falls.

I'm talking about the US here. Other countries are also in fiat currencies because we are, and their inflation is worse than ours, too. Some countries have people who **** on the streets, too. We're doing a lot wrong and yet are still the world currency holder because everyone else is ******* up worse than we are. I'd rather make ourselves better than try to mimic others and be worse. And of course, you wouldn't jump off a cliff if everyone else was doing it, too, would you?

"I know it's inefficient to the point of trapping people in poverty, but I want to see that big number attached to it rather than results."

In the US, the average student loan debt is $30k, we have $1 trillion in debt, and a high delinquency rate. Plus we have 1/3 of our STEM masters/doctorates going to non-citizens. That should show how few US citizens are going into those fields, which explains the debts and delinquencies.
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User avatar #148 to #147 - emiyashirou ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
A large portion of your pension*

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User avatar #14 to #13 - sladee (11/05/2015) [-]
Free folks decide to enslave some other used to be-free folks
I assume
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User avatar #76 to #7 - thepizzadevourer (11/05/2015) [-]
Well, yes. That's why people come together to form societies and governments. The trick is, I feel like people nowadays are trending more and more towards trying to force everyone to be equal. It's obvious that pure freedom (which is essentially anarchy) is bad, but it doesn't seem like people realize that the opposite is just as terrible. The former gives you a small group of people with money and power forcing everyone else to bend to their interests, the latter gives you a small group of people in the government forcing everyone to act in a way they think is "best for equality".
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#43 - xtnega (11/05/2015) [-]
I mean this quote is cool and all, but you have to stand back and actually think about the terms being used here. Mr Aleksandr here is referring to Equality of Outcome. With Equality of Opportunity (you know, the sensible one), you can have your cake and eat it too.
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User avatar #88 to #43 - emiyashirou ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
Yeah, but SJW's these days are all pushing for equality of outcome, and they're ******* everywhere. (No, not just on the internet, they're everywhere in real life too, especially university) Except their equality is where some people are more equal than others.
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User avatar #89 to #88 - xtnega (11/05/2015) [-]
Yeah, just wanted to point out that the quote was a bit of a broad generalisation.
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#58 - EdwardNigma ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
I don't know what this has to do with a statue of Augustus.
But I am posting this anyway.
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User avatar #53 - payseht ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
Equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

In some places they don't share information that might induce bias such as names, giving Muhammed a fighting chance to be based on his resume rather than his ethnicity. This is equality.
In other places, they establish a quota, making a certain percentage of employees to be from a "diverse group" (read not white, not male). This is not equality.

In the first example, most employees still ended up being white males. This highlights an issue that the second example observed and chose to focus on the removing the symptom, while at the same time sickening our metaphorical patient and ignoring the disease.
There is a genuine issue of privilege here. The way some approach it muddies the water. They're attacking those of us born in it, rather than helping those not. It's taking our fish, if you will, and giving it to someone else while never getting around to teaching them how to fish.

It's incredibly frustrating how SJW are so damn retarded because it's practically impossible to talk about the issue without being labeled as something you're not, depending on which camp I'm conversing with...
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User avatar #70 to #53 - notanotheraccount (11/05/2015) [-]
Quotas should be considered discrimination imo. Its not negative, but it makes certain people the evil white man less likely to land a job, simply based off of his gender and race.
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#117 to #70 - cockineveryorifice (11/05/2015) [-]
> Its not negative, but it makes certain people the evil white man less likely to land a job, simply based off of his gender and race.

Therefore it is negative. Positive discrimination is a misnomer made to make us accept blatant discrimination more easily. Every case of discrimination has someone who benefits and someone who loses out.
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User avatar #74 to #70 - robinwilliamson (11/05/2015) [-]
If they're less likely to land a job, why is their employment rate at the top?
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User avatar #84 to #74 - payseht ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
I can assure you it's not because there's a massive conspiracy to discriminate against better qualified people with darker skin and vaginae.
I think I mention that it's a symptom and do you think it's not stupid to try and "fix" that? It's not fixing anything. You're masking the sickly looking person under make-up. You're denying good people jobs and forced to deny your company the most qualified employees, rather than the most "diverse". How does "diversity" help a company?
There are studies showing how profits dropped after implementing this "equality" ******** . Was it because there was a woman working there now? Of course not. It's because one of the women there got her job because she lacked a Y chromosome while the ones employed prior were there because they deserve it.
^wall of text explaining further

For one, minorities are called that for a reason. I'm guessing white people aren't the main statistical working force in some parts of Africa, China, or India... statistically speaking we're more likely in our regions to dominate the working force
Second, a great number of minorities are born in poverty, never get an education high enough to escape poverty, hence less will join the work force, not to mention how many willl end up in prison. This is more complicated as it's about fixing a broken system in a broken mini-society with their own culture and all of that exists in a space where racism was open and proud not that long ago. They weren't allowed to have the roots a lot of us take for granted.
As for women, I have no idea... any chance of reliable statistics on this one? I know a few women choose or have their husband choose for them not to work, but it can't be that big of a number... there are places with more men than women and vice versa. Every school I went to had one guy for every 6 women.
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User avatar #90 to #84 - robinwilliamson (11/05/2015) [-]
Dude said that white men are less likely to get a job.
It's very easy to find the statistics, every month as a matter of fact, and this is October, also showing past records
www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

Whites, tying with Asians pretty much though a little over, have about half the unemployment rate of blacks in both youth and older demographics. Black unemployment is at 10%, while whites are at around 4.5% which is basically at what's economically considered "full employment". Black youth at around 30% and white youth at around 15%.

And the men and women difference is not very significant except the black population having about an average one percent difference.
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User avatar #71 to #70 - notanotheraccount (11/05/2015) [-]
negative for minorities*
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#3 - summerizer (11/04/2015) [-]
Click to show spoiler
Anu cheeki breeki iv damki! - Bandit
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#129 - sakagamitomoyo (11/05/2015) [-]
Why is the picture a statue of emperor Augustus
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#96 - mahdilj (11/05/2015) [-]
if white they are not black.if black mabye a *****
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User avatar #134 to #96 - iqequalzero (11/05/2015) [-]
Is....is that Kripperian?
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User avatar #155 to #134 - mahdilj (11/05/2015) [-]
no that's spooliouos! FunHaus
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User avatar #162 to #155 - iqequalzero (11/05/2015) [-]
You gotta admit it looks just like him.
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#73 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
I miss the good ole days when equality meant equality in the eyes of the law.
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#79 to #73 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
filthy bureaucrat
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#102 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
I believe that while people can never be equal, and never should be, since all our differences creates a broad and amazing society.
What i do believe though, is that everybody should be presented with as close to equal opportunities as possible.
An example here is Denmark, where i am from.
We have an enormous taxburden on every citizen, but that tax is used to make education and healthcare equally available, this makes it possible for each individual to rely almost solely on ones own abilities and intelligence to get where you wanna get in life. You come from a poor family? You get the same quality of education as everyone else, so if you are an intelligent person, you are not born with a shackle around you ancle simply because you where born by poor parents.

That is true freedom AND equality, not that everyone is rich and happy
But that you have the possibilities to become rich and happy, no matter you parents financial capabilities.
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#115 to #102 - BraindeadBuddha (11/05/2015) [-]
Yeah, but everyone outside of Scandinavia (except Bernie) will still fail to see how good our way is, hell you've got people within our own borders who prefer the inequality of the American system.
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#120 to #115 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
I'm completely fine with free education and healthcare. seriously, I would've never had a chance since both of my parents were good for nothing and I was an accident. I like our system
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User avatar #124 to #115 - anotherponyaccount (11/05/2015) [-]
But Aus has free healthcare I think education too and I'm pretty sure Canada is the same way too
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User avatar #125 to #124 - BraindeadBuddha (11/05/2015) [-]
Their system is different, but you're right to a large extent they do. But they don't actually pay you to go to college which Scandinavian countries do, the social welfare benefits are not as high or extensive either. But it's a heck of a lot better than nothing for sure. I spoke too hastily though, and I realize that a Scandinavian welfare model is not necessarily applicable everywhere, there are cultural differences etc.
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User avatar #126 to #125 - anotherponyaccount (11/05/2015) [-]
Eh, I suppose TAFe is the closest to free college I didn't pay a cent because disability claims which I had no idea about
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User avatar #128 to #126 - BraindeadBuddha (11/05/2015) [-]
Lucky you, but I gotta say that's nothing against Denmark, if you have a disability that makes studying difficult (anything from Dyslexia to Autism etc.) you get extra support besides the regular which is a little over 1000 AUD, so you could easily get as much as 2000 AUD a month (One buddy of mine is receiving about 2500 AUD total). And that's how we try to make sure everyone who's willing gets and completes their higher education. To be fair in reality those ca. 1000 AUD is barely enough to scrape by on, Denmark's expensive. So it's a fairly necessary service.
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User avatar #170 to #124 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (12/13/2015) [-]
Aus doesn't count
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User avatar #171 to #170 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
Why not?
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User avatar #172 to #171 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (12/13/2015) [-]
Because their mental health care is absolutely dreadful.
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User avatar #173 to #172 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
You got stats or do i take your word?
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User avatar #174 to #173 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (12/13/2015) [-]
What I've heard simply. Private asylums cost a ******* and if you're lucky you're locked into an asylum for life because of something, in the grand scheme of mental disorders, menial like hypochondria

Thirdjess
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User avatar #177 to #174 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
She's not locked in a mental asylum, she's locked in a high security care ward. A place for people who can't take care of themselves. Sometimes it's mental issues, like severe anorexia patients, sometimes it's physical disability. Basically it's a place with bars on the windows and a handful of nurse/guard hybrids that force them to eat and bathe on the regular.
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User avatar #181 to #177 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (12/13/2015) [-]
Sounds like 10% more extreme than me
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User avatar #183 to #181 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
They certainly can get pretty bad. The first place we had her in, the only outdoor space they had access to was this little.. maybe three by three metre triangle shaped courtyard. Completely brick and concrete, had two little potted palm trees in it.

The place we have her in now, we had to sell her house to afford it, but it's a lot better. Has daily activities, an aquarium and bird cage. Really lush.
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User avatar #186 to #183 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (12/13/2015) [-]
. Better but still..

Also aorry about that thing earlier. It was night and I needed something to blame for my problems.
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User avatar #188 to #186 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
Lol don't worry about it. You're not one of the bad guys. If you were, I'd have blocked you! Hahah. You ever see anons getting snotty at me when I post? They're people I've blocked in the past.
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User avatar #192 to #188 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (12/13/2015) [-]
No I haven't, but I don't see you comment that often. I block / hide all a lot of people too but that's because I go on boards and stuff, where its even worse than random comments. Random comments don't usually have the exact same shtick and content each time but it's not too uncommon that they do on boards.

But I guess you realised at some poin that I had real mental problems considering how I acted. Either way, I think I know why I am so antisocial and such. Daddy issues short. I'm an attentionwhore and the male equivalent of a girl who sleeps around with the entire football team except I use other mediums.
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User avatar #195 to #192 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
Ain't nothing wrong with that, tbh. I would rather someones vice be attention than meth, yknow?
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User avatar #199 to #195 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (12/13/2015) [-]
Well I guess. But I don't like it. I djnt feel complete if I don't make anyone laugh or if anyone fancies me on such. Or if people agree with me.
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User avatar #175 to #174 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
I dunno, I mean three cities over they have a great rehab centre. QLD might be ****** her state and my mate's old man has come good with his PTSD, granted it doesn't vanish but he's better
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User avatar #179 to #175 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
We don't have public rehab clinics in Australia. There's charity clinics and private clinics. So your mates old man either has good private insurance, or applied for charity and got lucky.

Speaking from personal experience, I tend to believe PTSD is a lot about conviction. If you're determined to get beyond your flashbacks, psychosis etc.. you eventually do. It takes time. But we don't have the resources to handle Schizophrenia, for example. Or DID.
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#180 to #179 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
I did not know that
Never really sat down to talk with him, he was a high position cop
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User avatar #182 to #180 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
Ah yea, cops have all kinds of benefits. Little brothers a cop in training.

I actually just googled it for numbers. As of the beginning of this year, they have started rolling out psychiatric wards in major public hospitals. Currently about 10.7% of hospitals have a psych ward, and 1.25% hospitals have permanent psych staff. So it's definitely improving.
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#184 to #182 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
Certainly makes me hopeful I feel my psych is kinda pathetic
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User avatar #185 to #184 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
Do recommend seeing a therapist if you aren't already. One good thing about psych in Australia is, if your GP refers you onto a mental health scheme (I can't remember what it was called), you only have to pay a third the price for therapist sessions. But you can only get a total of ten discount sessions a year.
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User avatar #187 to #185 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
he's a psychiatrist but due to aspergers I can't open up to him, so it becomes 15 minutes of heads shaking then he writes a prescription so more like Im useless than him
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User avatar #189 to #187 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
Hm that sure is a conundrum. Would it make it easier if it was a faceless person? Helpline, for example?
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User avatar #190 to #189 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
not really, but my brother is the one person I feel I can go to if I need to talk. Sorta my one reason to keep going
I hate my own voice, causes problems like talking to people and giving commands
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User avatar #191 to #190 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
Has doc recommended exercises to help with fits?
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User avatar #197 to #193 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
You said you had autism, yea? Well the inability to talk is a fit. It's when you get stuck in your head, you reason that you can't talk because you sound like an idiot, or it's your own fault or some **** like that. It's like a mild panic attack.

I gtg to bed, seeya
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User avatar #198 to #197 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
1030, night fam
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User avatar #194 to #193 - thirdjess (12/13/2015) [-]
When you get stuck in your head. Stereotypical movie version involves people hitting themselves in the head.
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User avatar #196 to #194 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
No he hasn't sorta lost where you got the fits idea. If its the depression it's more like a bout
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User avatar #176 to #175 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (12/13/2015) [-]
And we're they private clinics?
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User avatar #178 to #176 - anotherponyaccount (12/13/2015) [-]
Dunno, i dont think so since I have an old neibour visit
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#23 - mattymc (11/05/2015) [-]
I've said it before, the best we can hope for is equality under the law. Everyone is treated the same by institutions that act in the public interest. Therefore the playing field will be level, it just happens that some of the players will be faster, stronger, smarter, etc. we NEED the referees to be fair and impartial
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User avatar #26 to #23 - victhree (11/05/2015) [-]
What about people who have an illness, for example?
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#29 to #26 - mattymc (11/05/2015) [-]
A good question, if you are referring to healthcare, then yes I do believe that as Life Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are fundamental human rights, all people deserve access to it beacause it safeguards the first and third right i mentioned. The problem is that healthcare, at least in the US is both complicated and expensive. I think Obamacare is good IN CONCEPT but unless the costs associated with every single aspect of that industry and the ridiculous amount of red tape can somehow be mitigated it fails in execution.
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#91 - nagafever (11/05/2015) [-]
**nagafever used "*roll picture*"**
**nagafever rolled image** only weak people seem to want equality anyways so never gonna happen
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#139 to #91 - lordraine ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
The many who want to trade away their freedoms for security will vote against the few who value those freedoms for what they are. And if the native population is not against it enough to do so, those in power who want those freedoms gone will import more primative and uneducated people from elsewhere until the pro-Authoritarian sentiment reaches a majority.

It's happening in America right now, and you're watching it kill Canada and Europe.

Democracy is fantastic on paper. But it only works if the people are mostly educated, mostly informed, mostly aware, and mostly insightful. If the few who control the megaphone can monopolize information and use their positions to whip people into a frenzy, then Democracy becomes the system that chooses Barabbas over Jesus.
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#31 - anon (11/05/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image**
There's nothing better to describe the craziness going on in Europe right now.
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User avatar #21 - imdan (11/05/2015) [-]
In terms of life and rights we should be entitled to, we are equal. No individual man or woman has, or should have, a greater value of their life than should be.

In terms of abilities and the capacities to do different things, no one is equal. We all have a different capacity to what we can do, and nothing is really going to change that.
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User avatar #25 to #21 - victhree (11/05/2015) [-]
On top of that, the spectrum of ability doesn't just fade from black into white, from competent to useless. It scatters in every direction, with some craft's genius being another one's inept
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User avatar #78 - qauronexoforce (11/05/2015) [-]
If you bring everyone up to the same level then everyone is both free and equal, the idea that equality infringes on freedom only applies when you are bringing everyone down instead of up
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User avatar #82 to #78 - kousei ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
How do you bring one group up without bringing another down? Limited resources.
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User avatar #99 to #82 - qauronexoforce (11/05/2015) [-]
Well here's one thought, if by investing in those with less opportunities you can create more opportunities for everyone including yourself than were present before, are you really losing anything? and is that decision not of your own choice and therefore don't you remain free? taxes and government are already meant to work something like this but there is hope for the future that it can be vastly improved
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User avatar #151 to #99 - kousei ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-]
I have 300 bars of gold, you have 100, amongst the entire world there is 400. make us equal without taking anything from me, or explain what i get that is of equal value to what I lose.
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#157 - deutschblut (11/05/2015) [-]
MFW I am happy to not be equal to the Untermenschen around me.
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