Well, both of them are right. While gay rights are definitely a thing that should happen, children have no place at a rally of any kind. Nor in a place of religion until they're old enough to decide for themselves.
You know what i thought was the most ******* dumbest thing i've heard from a christian was? My mom was talking about how gay people shouldn't even be a thing and saying how its a sin and that no gay person should be served at resturaunts, yet she makes a big outrage that religion should be able to be put on everything. Being gay with a mom like this really sucks sometimes
a lot of children enjoy rallies though, if you say to a kid "do you want to go to this place, there's loads of people, music and flags. You can dress up if you want to and you can have your own flag, or do you want to go to this cold building where you have to dress smart, sit on a wooden bench and listen quietly to a man talk for 3 hours" I'm pretty sure they'd choose the rally
Rallies also have noise-levels with decibels high enough to damage underdeveloped ears. And not all pews are uncomfortable. And not all places of religion have pews.
if people are preparing to take their kids to an event that's really loud, they should prepare to take ear muffs to drown out the sound
I know not all places of religion have pues, but this picture is talking about churches and churches have pues
While I get the sentiment, parents have every right to exert their beliefs and will over their children. So a Christian wants their son to be Christian? No problem. When he grows up, he'll still have a brain and can move away from that faith if it's really not for him.
There are some exceptions in that some places legitimately brainwash children and stomp out their free will, but I think we can safely exclude those from this discussion because most places aren't like that.
As someone who grew up in a household in which I wasn't forced into one belief or another, my parents weighed my opinion in every issue that really mattered, it sickened me when my non-religious friends were forced every weekend to go to church. One of them was even gay and had to literally sit through teasing and torment and **** . Sitting quietly and obediently while listening to a man preaching about how he's going to suffer for all of eternity for how he was born. That just doesn't sit right with me. People can have their beliefs, but they shouldn't be forced on anyone else.
That's the difference that needs to be established, I guess.
I agree with that. Parents shouldn't force children to go when it's actually an emotional problem to them. If they treat it like "i don't wanna go to church" just because they see it as a chore, that's just children being lazy.
It's a hard thing to pin down. The fact is, there are too many people who are unsuitable parents, but those who are good parents shouldn't be faulted for trying to establish their own faith in their children. I don't have the answer, I'll just say it sucks.
My philosophical dilemma is that I don't think parents should be told by the Government how to raise their kids, because that's tyranny. All about muh freedums. But at the same time, they're legitimately just bad parents who are harming their child.
Exactly. There are bad things being done, but the only way to stop it is to lay down a rigid line that is bound to punish good people and curb a citizen's rights.
Same situation for me as for >>#42. My dad was Protestant and still very Christian, but my mom was raised by Quakers so before they had kids they made an agreement that if any of their kids didn't want to go to Sunday School or church they didn't have to. My oldest sister became a Buddhist, my older sister is still Christian, but mostly for the community, and I'm somewhere between spiritual and Sikh.
I think it can mean a lot of interesting things, but the guy who wrote it was a bit of an ass about the religion thing.
I consider God as being a metaphysical embodiment of the Universe, of which everything is an aspect. God is "responsible" for an action because it exists as part of him. The same way your body digests food, pumps blood, and breaths air, so too does God create disease, imbue the body with a soul, and create the universe. You can't force yourself to stop pumping blood or digesting food the same way that God cannot control the natural events of the world, but you are still responsible for all those things.
>until they're old enough to decide from themselves
I.... technically agree with this. But this sort of leads into the thought that you shouldn't do anything for a child until they're old enough to consent. How do they develop then?
I understand pushing agendas on kids is wrong, but there comes a point in this line of thought where you're depriving a kid of what shapes a personality because of political correctness. I'm worried that if people spend their whole lives as parents afraid to do anything for their kid because they don't want to be a biased influence on their kid, they won't have any character to them.
Rather, I think the key here is to not force them. I'd take them to gay rallies because it's something that should be supported, and hell, I might even take them to church, not for any religious reason, I'm actually quite nonreligious, but because it's an experience in sanctity, respect and culture, which are all important values someone should learn. If they decide eventually they no longer want to attend these for their own reasons, I don't have a problem with it.
The fact is, children are going to have be forced to do things. That's the nature of being a parent. You force them to eat their broccoli. You force them to go to school. You force them to brush their teeth before bed. Children at that age can't really form an opinion on anything meaningful in life, at most they can decide what toy they'd want from a toy store or what piece of candy they like the best.
The real deciding factor is whether or not you continue to "force them" after they've reached a point where they can decide on their own. If you're telling your kid "you're coming to this gay rally with me or you're grounded" when they're 15, you're as terrible a parent as someone who forces their 15 year old kid to go to church. But younger kids I think have more leeway because they're still developing and can't really form their own opinions.
You're a wise man, I'm agnostic, but if/when I do have children I wouldn't mind taking to them to the church me and family went to when I was younger if my old pastor is still there. Great guy, loves what he does, doesn't get mad at people for sinning - gets mad at them for not coming to him or friends and family if they need help. Plus he's just a funny guy and has a nice gun collection
I dont think kids should even be in any sort of political protest or discussion,their brain isnt even developed enough to understand what politics is much less take a stance...
i dunno man, there's all sorts of child-unfriendly stuff that goes on in gay prides, like penis shaped things and nekkid people. also if it's a kid as young as the one in the picture i'd be scared it'd get trodden on
1. Just like fish do?
2. Probably, considering most people feel horny at bad times
3. Disney
4. Many things
5. DISNEY
6. Yes, their hormones will be on the same schedule.
7. magic
Actually Tarzan didn't have a beard cause he learned how to shave from an instructional razor thing that was in the plane he crashed in. It was a pictured step by step thing, so he didn't need to read to understand it.
tbh, my mother got that into my head, not as crazy clean as she is, but at least the concept of it.
I don't care how untidy your home is or whatever when I'm visiting. It's your place and you're there to live.
But whenever I know that I get guests, be it really close friends or just some random people I know, I clean up beforehand. Make everything tidy, vacuum, put eveything in its place and so on.
Though my place looks pretty messy sometimes if I don't get guests for some time.
Beforehand, I would've felt uncomfortable about that children at rallies/churches thing but honestly, if you think about it, what that person said is true.
The problem I currently have about how some churches attempt to teach the bible to kids is that they leave out the very important information and tidbits that help a person understand the bible in context.
Sure they go over the Creation idea but then they just skip to Noah after Adam and Eve get kick out of Eden. After the flood, they skim over Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob's time with his uncle and go into detail with Joseph. They talk about Moses and the Exodus but after they cross the Red Sea we skip the 40 years in the wilderness and head straight to Joshua and the battle of Jericho and even that is just the story of the walls falling, not the fact that once the walls fell the Israelites rushed in and took out anyone alive, except for the prostitute and her family who obeyed what the spies instructed her to do. After that, we skip the majority of the book of Judges (only talking about Gideon and his 300 men and Samson, the Jewish version of Hercules). Well, you get the picture.
Honestly, even though I was raised to be an SDA, it wasn't until my sophomore year of high school when I realized I barely knew anything about the bible and what was actually in it. Then again in my sophomore year in college, after being here and seeing all the Christian vs Science controversies and such, when I actually decided to enter my religion classes with a "fresh" start; needless to say it helped me take time to look through some of the books on my own rather than just listen to what the pastor, worship leader, preacher, or some teachers have said.
Also helped that there was an audio book that had multiple voice actors The Bible Experience voiced by black people. I'm biased I know
Even now, the only reason I go to church is for the sermon and see what the pastor has to say. Most times it's thought provoking, but other times it's just the usual fluff.
Everything else I feel is just forced/fake (music is either monotonous(hymns) or unnecessarily emotional(songs sung by an enthusiastic singer, children's story, though fun, is vary vague in it's teaching, scripture reading is sometimes out of context unless the pastor explains it, and lastly, the announcements are just awful sometimes. Tithe, on the other hand, is more of that I don't have money to give since I'm not working or have any source of income.) man, this just makes me want to do a compilation about the bible stories but I don't have the motivation or talent to even try
The History channel does that every now and then, shows the real world events of the bible as they would have unfolded without all the flowy language and metaphors of actually reading the bible.
nah. You should try it. would be nice to see some fo the bible's histories in a comp. There are some histories in the jewish mithology thata re really good