True orbit of the planets
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livingmorphine (10/13/2013) [-] 
There is no "true orbit", you always need a frame of reference.
So, if you see the sun as a fix object, we rotate around the sun. If you see the center of our galaxy as a fix ojbject, we still rotate around the sun, but the sun rotates around that object (some black hole).
The thing is there is no one and only frame of referance, no absolute movement, as the galaxy could move too, as well as the whole universe.
Tl;dr: There is no true orbit.
So, if you see the sun as a fix object, we rotate around the sun. If you see the center of our galaxy as a fix ojbject, we still rotate around the sun, but the sun rotates around that object (some black hole).
The thing is there is no one and only frame of referance, no absolute movement, as the galaxy could move too, as well as the whole universe.
Tl;dr: There is no true orbit.
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skubasteve (10/14/2013) [-] I thought our galaxy was proven to be moving at an increasing rate away from the origin of the universe, as well as other galaxies.
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pwnmissilereborn **User deleted account** (10/14/2013) [-]
Yes, the frame of reference is completely subjective because the universe doesn't distinguish which objects are stopped and which ones are moving, simply the difference between their velocities, so we choose a point of reference which we deem fix to make it easier to study and comprehend.
I could say that the Earth was completely immobile and the Sun was spinning around it, while every other planet in the Solar System spun around the Sun. It would still be correct because in this case I was using Earth as the point of reference.
We are only taught the model where the Sun is a fix object, which is also correct, because it is simpler and more practical while my example is obviously over complicated.
I could say that the Earth was completely immobile and the Sun was spinning around it, while every other planet in the Solar System spun around the Sun. It would still be correct because in this case I was using Earth as the point of reference.
We are only taught the model where the Sun is a fix object, which is also correct, because it is simpler and more practical while my example is obviously over complicated.
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shinyarmor (10/14/2013) [-] everything is relative. what yo usay will always be true becuase there is no "true" fixed point in out universe unless we create or imagine it.
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muchasmarcos (10/14/2013) [-] You fool. Everyone knows that we live on the back of a giant turtle.
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EpicWin (10/14/2013) [-] He does "Because the orbits of the planets are tipped by 60°, not 90°, they can sometimes be ahead and sometimes behind the Sun. That right there, and all by itself, shows this helical depiction is incorrect. In the real model, heliocentrism, you do get that sort of ahead-and-behind motion, exactly as we observe in the real sky."
and more. Basically take the tradition model of the solar system with the planets going around the sun in their orbits, now tilt this 60 degrees and imagine the entire model, as is, circling the Galaxy. He also mentions that the solar system does go up and down about 200 lightyears with gravity always pulling it back to the center of the disc but the Galactic disc itself it 1000 light years thick so it would be pointless to show anyway.
and more. Basically take the tradition model of the solar system with the planets going around the sun in their orbits, now tilt this 60 degrees and imagine the entire model, as is, circling the Galaxy. He also mentions that the solar system does go up and down about 200 lightyears with gravity always pulling it back to the center of the disc but the Galactic disc itself it 1000 light years thick so it would be pointless to show anyway.
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revengeforfreeze (10/14/2013) [-] Aww yis a Phil Plait fan
I just like him
haven't seen too much by him though.
I just like him
haven't seen too much by him though.
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aaronfilkins (10/14/2013) [-]
If we're a special beam cannon, then christians will HAVE to agree that the universe has existed for millions of years, because that's how long it takes Piccolo to charge one up
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semilunarknight (10/14/2013) [-] I'm sorry but would anyone really have a problem with this? And if they did are they really worth listening to? I think not.
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deescalation (10/14/2013) [-] we're an attack from this guy. We're due to hit the anti-spirals any day now
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captchakid ONLINE (10/14/2013) [-] Actually this isnt proven in the least. Just another theory. Sorry to be a party pooper.
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captchakid ONLINE (10/14/2013) [-] Why did I get thumbed down when we basically said the same thing?
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theasguard (10/14/2013) [-] Nooooooooooooooo! Stop this right now, stop believing everything you see on the internet at first sight; this exact gif. was debunked very quickly, so stop being stupid.
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erkaperkish (10/14/2013) [-] Man, I remember last time this was posted, so many people where bashing me for disbelieving it.
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makedonski (10/14/2013) [-] www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/04/vortex_motion_viral_video_showing_sun_s_motion_through_galaxy_is_wrong.html
There you are and I'd like my thumb back
There you are and I'd like my thumb back
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jackassalope (10/14/2013) [-]
Its impossible to prove something like this false, as its all about frame of reference.
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quadrilateral (10/14/2013) [-] www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/04/vortex_motion_viral_video_showing_sun_s_motion_through_galaxy_is_wrong.html
Actually, things like this really can just be proven wrong.
Actually, things like this really can just be proven wrong.
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jackassalope (10/14/2013) [-]
Ah, well I hadn't actually seen the video. The only thing wrong with this model is that the sun is shown in front at all times, which I couldn't really see from this angle. Kudos for the article.
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revengeforfreeze (10/14/2013) [-] That thing is actually going to happen
Our galaxy is on colission course with the Andromeda galaxy
Our galaxy is on colission course with the Andromeda galaxy
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winsauceiswin (10/14/2013) [-] this has been proven false actually. still neat looking though
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candymilkcow (10/14/2013) [-] MFW watching this gif as "The Great Gig In The Sky" - Pink Floyd is on my earphones
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triggathepirate (10/14/2013) [-] Can I have the spongebobfish caption with "YOU WHAT?"
Perfect for this.
Perfect for this.
