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#39 - dyslexicspiderman (04/08/2014) [-]
One of the major things that really bothers me about the bible is the story of Adam and Eve. So God being all powerful and all knowing creates a situation in which he KNOWS that the humans will fail and will be kicked out of paradise. He allows for Satan to be there which is the main reason humans are banished. It seems like the entire story is an excuse to punish humans for eternity.
User avatar #182 to #39 - theshadowed ONLINE (04/08/2014) [-]
Nah the serpent kinda got corrupted by Satan God didn't exactly want that **** there
#190 to #182 - dyslexicspiderman (04/08/2014) [-]
But... He's suppose to be all powerful and all knowing. The serpent was there because God allowed it/wanted it to be. It was part of his plan in the same way Judas was.
User avatar #204 to #190 - theshadowed ONLINE (04/08/2014) [-]
He may be all powerful and all knowing, but because he allows people to have free will, so many events (including the snake and Judas) were beyond his control
#207 to #204 - dyslexicspiderman (04/08/2014) [-]
Nothing is beyond his control. That would imply that he is not all powerful. The writers designed a situation in which humans would fail because they needed an explanation for why humans are suffering. "The original sin" gives them this yet it's so full of contradictions. As a student working on my philosophy masters I have discussed free will at length. This is by no definition an example of free will.
User avatar #157 to #39 - oceanfrank (04/08/2014) [-]
It probably didn't go down exactly like that. I mean hell, what did Moses know other than what God told him and what he did? God could have lied to him to bring into action a different plan than what is intended in the bible. Bro we just dont know, it's hard to apply our logic to that of a God/god(s)
User avatar #147 to #39 - gummybearwarrior (04/08/2014) [-]
the tree was a test
simply put, Whats the point of being loved and worshiped if they have no choice. They had to earn paradise by following that one simple rule, not turning their back to that simple rule.
User avatar #172 to #147 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
Also, god knows all, so he knew Adam and Eve would fail before he even created them, yet he did anyways. It's not a test if you know the conclusion before it begins.
User avatar #171 to #147 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
What's the point of being loved and worshipped if you're an omnipotent, all knowing, omnipresent being? You'd think god would be above something as petty as a need for validation.
User avatar #241 to #171 - validation (04/14/2014) [-]
You called?
User avatar #129 to #39 - hellomynameisbill (04/08/2014) [-]
It's like he's just being reverse psychological by putting making the fruit so attainable

If Man Obeyed God
#114 to #39 - anon (04/08/2014) [-]
fun question: where in the bible does it say that humans burn for all eternity? just says they'll be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire.. but that doesn't make them fireproof.
#107 to #39 - anon (04/08/2014) [-]
Biblical studies major here. Genesis in its original language has a lot of poetic elements (and who doesn't love to take poetry... literally...?) and was written by at least 2 different authors. There are some plot holes that make it obvious that people weren't supposed to take it literally. And consider that in the story, pretty much every single human being except for Noah were wicked. Also, it was not a world-wide flood, but similar accounts of a flood involving an ark have been found from other Ancient Near Eastern civilizations, so there may have been a devastating flood around that area that killed many. Food for thought?
#174 to #107 - anon (04/08/2014) [-]
Well what's the point following the book then? Who can say what parts are to take literally and what not.

How about the story of Job. The omnipotent knew he wouldn't waver, but still that sadistic bastard made the poor guy suffer.
User avatar #62 to #39 - YllekNayr (04/08/2014) [-]
It's almost like it was completely fabricated.
User avatar #49 to #39 - helenwheels (04/08/2014) [-]
Without adversity there is no story.
And without a story what is the point of creating?

Seriously, would you rather read about a man and a woman who made the one mistake they knew they couldn't make. Riddled with symbolism and insight into human psychology.

Or the man in the woman who where always happy and died happy and now their children are happy because there perfect and smart. You'd put that book down in an instant.
#235 to #49 - anon (04/08/2014) [-]
so we are just a show for god
User avatar #237 to #235 - helenwheels (04/08/2014) [-]
Why does everyone think that's so horrible?

God might not even be aware that we are aware, he's just a creator, trying to gain insight and entertainment from his story. This doesn't mean the christian way of thinking is right or wrong. One thing they do have wrong is that god is omnipotent.
#104 to #49 - anon (04/08/2014) [-]
One tiny minor detail though. You are talking about a story, the bible is supposed to be the true word of the Christian God. Its main purpose isn't to be readable, but to guide Christians and tell them what they should believe the truth is.
User avatar #236 to #104 - helenwheels (04/08/2014) [-]
Well, why would you create something with out meaning.
Thing's that are easy in life have no meaning.
User avatar #44 to #39 - bothemastaofall (04/08/2014) [-]
There' also kind of a plothole too.
>Need to eat apple to obtain critical thinking
>Used critical thinking to weigh arguments of serpent and Adam to decide to eat the apple

Also Satan isn't present in the garden. That character is known only as "the serpent"
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