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#1 - ubercookieboy (07/21/2014) [-]
>Implying you need a gun
>Implying you need a gun
User avatar #149 to #1 - wunderlichh (07/22/2014) [-]
Which movie is that actually?
#11 to #1 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
I see your 			******		 airplane and raise you an attack chopper.
I see your ****** airplane and raise you an attack chopper.
#37 to #11 - dragemit (07/22/2014) [-]
You gotta fight choppers with choppers
User avatar #26 to #11 - fukkentyranitar (07/22/2014) [-]
CoD MW2 in a nutshell.
User avatar #2 to #1 - internetexplain ONLINE (07/21/2014) [-]
I didn't know they made a Civ V movie.
User avatar #6 to #2 - wotterpatch (07/22/2014) [-]
yea, ghandi was the main antagonist
#23 to #9 - unclaimedusername (07/22/2014) [-]
Oh Ghandi....
Oh Ghandi....
User avatar #13 to #9 - captainrattrap ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
In Civilization: Beyond Earth, humuanity seeks refuge on a distant planet, starting over from scratch after a global event that makes Earth all but uninhabitable.

This event, a result of a war, takes place somewhere around western asia.

Thanks alot Ghandhi. Thanks.
#5 - include (07/21/2014) [-]
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#71 - Draigor (07/22/2014) [-]
Russia supplied missiles to the separatists----->USA blames Russia for plane being shot down
USA provided Bin Laden with training and weapons in order to push Russians out of Afghanistan----->Bin Laden causes 9-11, ************
Inb4 I hate USA blah blah blah. I'm just one of those "assholes" who hates gov't propaganda. There is no straight line between good guy and bad guy, and if you rely on tv news to provide you with clear cut unbiased facts, you are sorely mistaken.
User avatar #74 to #71 - bestfoxgirl (07/22/2014) [-]
So why did you say that Russia supplied those missiles to the separatists?

It would as well be governmental stolen weaps (they got some reports about stolen military supplies)

Or it was Ukraine's gov't who shot it down.
User avatar #75 to #74 - Draigor (07/22/2014) [-]
Just going by the info I found yesterday
User avatar #76 to #75 - bestfoxgirl (07/22/2014) [-]
So they got any proof on that being Russian? I didn't hear anything about it except for an international investigation preparations that everyone wants
User avatar #78 to #76 - Draigor (07/22/2014) [-]
Yea the investigation is still going on, but many sources are saying Russia did supply the separatists with missiles. Of course, Russia didn't give them instructions to shoot down commercial flights. Does that answer your question?
User avatar #90 to #78 - avengeralpha (07/22/2014) [-]
The Issue is even if Russia did supply the separatists with missiles in order to blame Russia the Investigators have to determine whether the Missiles used were from Russia or Ukraine that is assuming the western media is correct (Probably isnt) in assuming that the separatists shot it down. However there are way too many conflicting reports whether it be Ukrainian gov or separatists we may never actually know the real truth until the actual person who fired the missile reveals themselves and has evidence to back it up. The Media have picked out pieces of information that support their theory and ignore any other.
User avatar #95 to #90 - bestfoxgirl (07/22/2014) [-]
Not to mention Ukraine gov't revealed a piece of 'conversation' between 2 separatists regarding the missiles. They claim to be able to wire their phones yet this is the only conversation they could record? Also, it was pretty obvious that it was scripted.
User avatar #101 to #95 - avengeralpha (07/22/2014) [-]
Yeah that and Ukraine Air Traffic control telling the Malaysia flight to decrease its altitude and the presence of one of their jets nearby is very suspicious to say the least
User avatar #97 to #71 - sinconn (07/22/2014) [-]
Dude, you're a ******* anti-Patriot. Go back to britain you self hating Libtard.
#99 to #97 - Draigor (07/22/2014) [-]
Your comment made my day. I'm actually quite the conservative, I just choose not to blindly follow my government. I love America, so kindly **** off
#118 to #71 - shadowgandalf (07/22/2014) [-]
Russia is providing weapons, provisions and training to the seperatists.
And the seperatists are handing the debris over to Russia...

Since the seperatists actually fight for Russia, and Russia supports them, they should be considered a part of Russia, and under Putins orders.
User avatar #73 to #71 - playerdous (07/22/2014) [-]
Pretty much everything ****** that the US is behind goes back to the CIA.
#103 to #71 - durkadurka (07/22/2014) [-]
The difference is that we're well aware that we bought Osama's Jihadi militant starter kit. Putin is trying to play dumb and act like his forces aren't deeply involved with the rebels.    
This kind of thing is basically right out of our 			*******		 playbook, we ought to be able to spot when it's happening.
The difference is that we're well aware that we bought Osama's Jihadi militant starter kit. Putin is trying to play dumb and act like his forces aren't deeply involved with the rebels.

This kind of thing is basically right out of our ******* playbook, we ought to be able to spot when it's happening.
User avatar #109 to #103 - Draigor (07/22/2014) [-]
Yup, although I get the vibe that Putin just doesn't care about what the west thinks about him. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out
#117 to #109 - durkadurka (07/22/2014) [-]
He clearly doesn't. He seems to be looking to bring back some of their former glory. If I were in Putin's position I'd be doing the same things.

Being American, I don't care about Putin's interests. Ideally I'd like to see Ukraine sort their **** out with no outside interference. But we're past that point and it seems like what's best for us (ie the US) is to keep Russia from accomplishing their goals.
User avatar #124 to #117 - Draigor (07/22/2014) [-]
well said
#20 - megafranco (07/22/2014) [-]
His hunting weapon
His hunting weapon
User avatar #51 - crazyolitis (07/22/2014) [-]
So, seeing as that Putin invades to 'safe Russian ethnics,' how long until China invades Russia to ''save ethnic Chiese'?
#133 to #51 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
Most of Crimea is Russian, and was part of Russia.

Plus there's next to no communities in Russia ethnically Chinese.
Use your brain
#134 to #133 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
Except there ARE chinese communities in Russia. Use your brain.
#41 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
Regardless of who did it, three young children from my country are dead and 25 others from my country joined them. Americans were on that flight, British and I'm sure a lot of people from a lot of different countries. No one is taking responsibility for this, no action being taken and the only response my country can get is a "We'll consider letting you into the country for an investigation". These politicians need to start acting like human beings
User avatar #52 to #41 - rossthomson (07/22/2014) [-]
Roughly 10 people from my town died too, 6 of them children, and I knew 5 of them personally.

**** everyone who makes fun of this tragedy, it's way too ******* soon.
User avatar #68 to #52 - lyestcer (07/22/2014) [-]
I know what you mean, I knew one of the families on that plane, as they were relatives of close family friend. Really nice people who really cared a lot for their son, and I was pretty disgusted to hear people cracking jokes about it the next day.
User avatar #94 to #41 - reginleif (07/22/2014) [-]
European weakness is to blame for this mess, Your countrymen are dead, and disrespected by slavic rebels because Europe is so ******* useless and greedy that they will allow Putin to shoot their citizens, all to save a few bucks on gas.

It's kinda sad that the US who only lost one known citizen is giving Russia a harder time than the rest of the those effete bastards in the UK, France and Netherlands who lost far more lives. >.>

"News just in we lost 8 guys to anti-aircraft fire!"

Blimey, William dust off the typewriter we are going to send a strongly worded letter!

User avatar #143 to #94 - chrisel (07/22/2014) [-]
By boycotting Russia, we (the Netherlands) lose 27 billion dollar, that is already 10% of our nations income, just imagine if the United States government would just lose 300 billion dollar (Yes, that is 10 % of the United States Federal income) but couldn't just print extra money. That's the problem we have, we are to depended to Russia and can't just say: Russia, **** off already.
User avatar #145 to #143 - reginleif (07/22/2014) [-]
>"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." <

-Sam Adams.

Semi-relevant, if you let money do all of your talking you only reduce yourself to a servitude that you never escape. Ukraine was and is still dependent on Russia, but on fighting this covert war has shown more spine than any of the cowardly leaders in prosperous Europe and the UK.

Trade can also be moved to other countries ( albeit at a loss of profit) you just have to decide if your wallet is worth your principles. Principles like not having your citizens blown out of the sky, but whatever it's your country.
User avatar #146 to #145 - chrisel (07/22/2014) [-]
I stay with my opinion, and most Europeans who really cares about their nations economy will agree.
User avatar #147 to #146 - reginleif (07/22/2014) [-]
I'll agree with the anon politicians need to start acting like human beings, not bankers.
User avatar #148 to #147 - chrisel (07/22/2014) [-]
Yes, even though a total boycott will be be at the cost of the European economy, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't or can't do anything. I understand that they try to be careful but how things are going, it is ridiculous.
User avatar #110 to #94 - thinemother (07/22/2014) [-]
What can we do though, there is still an investigation going on and it isn't like we can go invade Russia, all we can really do is give out more ****** sanctions.
User avatar #121 to #110 - reginleif (07/22/2014) [-]
Thing is even if the investigation concludes anything, there will still be skeptics on both sides who will insist the other side fabricated evidence, there will be no millitary action taken against the rebels, and there will be no further sanctions.

Europe simply does not have the balls to take meaningful action against Putin. Putin knows this, calls their bluff and continues to do what he does.
#119 to #110 - shadowgandalf (07/22/2014) [-]
We can invade Kiev, put the rebels on trial for warcrimes, and flip Russia off.
User avatar #122 to #119 - reginleif (07/22/2014) [-]
Russia would invade Ukraine, and be much quicker about it though. We'd probably lose all of Ukraine.
#123 to #122 - shadowgandalf (07/22/2014) [-]
Russia's military is not as big as you think.
It's only 3 times bigger than Ukraines.

EU is alot more powerfull than Russia.
User avatar #125 to #123 - reginleif (07/22/2014) [-]
Russia has nukes and a sizeable portion of the Ukraine has a sympathetic Russian population, the winner is the country who gets there first. If another power attacks them, then Russia nukes the **** out of that country.

Unfortunately I see only a diplomatic solution to all of this. :/
#126 to #125 - shadowgandalf (07/22/2014) [-]
Russia is not stupid. They know that less than 24 hours after they fire anything into EU airspace, their country will be shrekt so hard, that the stone age would look advanced in comparison.
#107 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
It's funny because the US shot down an Iranian airliner in the 80's and nobody gave a **** .
#120 - durkadurka (07/22/2014) [-]
This is what happens when you give a bunch of 			********		 military equipment and support. Want to see another example? look at Iraq. Their army keeps losing all the nice shiny toys the US gave them.    
On a side note, can you imagine being Malaysia airlines? You've just started to get past your lost 777 and then ANOTHER 			*******		 777 goes down in an entirely different part of the world for an entirely different reason. talk about some awful luck.
This is what happens when you give a bunch of ******** military equipment and support. Want to see another example? look at Iraq. Their army keeps losing all the nice shiny toys the US gave them.

On a side note, can you imagine being Malaysia airlines? You've just started to get past your lost 777 and then ANOTHER ******* 777 goes down in an entirely different part of the world for an entirely different reason. talk about some awful luck.
#67 - utgarder (07/22/2014) [-]
2 soon
#12 - lordhaha ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
#49 to #12 - datmine ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
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#22 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
He didnt shoot down the plane, It might have been either the Pro-Russia rebels or Kiev. Either way I don't remember anyone blaming Obama for every death happening in Syria since he was funding the Al Qaeda terrorists.
#79 to #22 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
I'll agree that it was most likely the Pro-Russian rebels rather than the actual Russians the rebels aren't terribly bright
User avatar #87 to #22 - zevran (07/22/2014) [-]
- Rebles have shown themselves to have Anti Air capabilities.
- Plane flies over almost the entire Ukrainian airspace unmolested.
- Ukrainians are aware it is civilian plane as it flies over their territory
- Plane enters rebel held territory, is shot down
- Rebels close of the site for days. Ship suspicious evidence to Russia
- Evidence of Russian missle systems in use by rebles overhwelming

- Who shot down plane?

#24 to #22 - frostshaitan (07/22/2014) [-]
Difference between this and what you blaming obama is that it was a civilian commercial plane with passengers from many countries. And it was more than likely shot down by pro russian separatists using weapons given to them by the russian military. If Russia really did have nothing to do with this they should pull all support from them.
User avatar #30 to #22 - reginleif (07/22/2014) [-]
Except that edgy Anti-US teenagers HAVE been blaming the US for every single death that those ragheads have caused.

The same logic should apply to Putin.

Also don't pretend like the guilt of the shooting is still up for debate, Kiev isn't the one blocking access to the site and shipping missile debris to mother Russia.
#86 - brothergrimm (07/22/2014) [-]
I'm just waiting for the monkey and the polar bear to start WW3 so i can join the army and have the career i wanted.
#128 to #86 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
And a two week wonder was born.
User avatar #104 to #86 - thinemother (07/22/2014) [-]
There doesn't have to be a war for you to join the army dood. Plus I doubt WW3 is going to happen
User avatar #106 to #104 - brothergrimm (07/22/2014) [-]
You don't understand.... i said and did some stupid **** when i was younger that got me sent to be psych evalled. The army found out and Noped my ass the **** out of their office without even seeing the actual paperwork. i was released from the place after a week with a paper that said "he's not crazy, just an angry teenager". didn't matter. the career i'd wanted my whole damn life was gone unless there's a need for troops again
User avatar #132 to #106 - doctorprofessornv ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
Must have been pretty ****** up if they sent you to the psych ward instead of regular juvie. Sorry to hear that though, hope things turn around for you.
User avatar #151 to #132 - brothergrimm (07/23/2014) [-]
it wasn't really a psych ward. it was a "Behavioral Health" hospital. not quite as extreme
User avatar #152 to #151 - doctorprofessornv ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Same thing, different name. But yeah, I get your point. Sorry to hear about that, I'm sure things will turn out fine anyway.
User avatar #40 - zomaru (07/22/2014) [-]
I was actually thinking today that way one could shoot a plane down over the warzone and never get caught because both parties would blame the other and no one would suspect an outside force.

Not saying that happened here. Just thinking it would be a easy way to start more **** .
User avatar #96 to #40 - reginleif (07/22/2014) [-]
:/ M'Goyim.

Occam's razor friend ^^
#56 - widar (07/22/2014) [-]
So far, we don't know at all who is responsible. So could we maybe wait until there's some actual evidence that tells us who did this? It may have been the rebels, but it might also have been the Ukrainian army. 2001 they already shot down a passenger liner by accident during army drills, it was a Russian TU-154 coming from Tel Aviv, and that wasn't even during wartime so a mistake should have been less likely than it is now.
User avatar #138 to #56 - chrisel (07/22/2014) [-]
The separatist leaser posted a post on the Russian version of Facebook that they shot down a Ukrainian plane, after a passenger plane was reported missing, the post was deleted.

A photo shot in eastern Ukraine in rebel controlled area showed a truck with 3 missiles on it came out, when they laid a picture of an mobile of an militarily launch truck over it, it was a complete match with one thing not right, the truck in the picture had only three missiles, the one the used to compare had 4 meaning that a missile was either used or just removed from the truck though you can't really do something without the truck so that seems unlikely.

finally, a phone call between two militarily leaders of the separatist leaked out where one of the two said that they accidentally shot down plane but that it appeared to be a passenger plane.

I'm pretty sure it were the separatist though there is nothing officially confirmed by anyone.
User avatar #10 - checkemtrain (07/22/2014) [-]
Based Putin strikes again.
User avatar #4 - thebuttman (07/21/2014) [-]
topical comedy is the best comedy
#34 - edgecutter ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
I can't be the only one understanding the Russians in this entire thing, right?
(I'm not referring to the plane being shot down, more like the entire Crimea business altogether)

The Russians need a place to put their fleet for the entire year, imo the Russians aren't the ones being greedy, they basically need that spot, but it is the Europeans who are being greedy by denying the Russians one small spot to let them do their navy business.

If Europe is going to keep this up, we'll end up recreating the same thing with Germany in 1939 except now, Russia is taking the role of Germany.

(I'm Belgian, mind you. inb4 "edgy teen [INSERT COUNTRY OF CHOICE HERE]")
User avatar #35 to #34 - brobafett (07/22/2014) [-]

well, first of all your name doesn't help. secondly, the fact anyone who would argue with you is an edgy teen from [INSERT COUNTRY OF CHOICE HERE]
User avatar #84 to #34 - zevran (07/22/2014) [-]
You're an idiot.

If people can't figure out the flaws in your argument by themselves they're idiots too.
User avatar #93 to #84 - edgecutter ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
I point you to my argument with abstractpink to let you know that no, I do not sympathise with the Russians, but I do empathise with them.

I only stated the most peaceful solution and to wait and see whether giving them Crimea is a way of having everyone happy on the long term, or whether it's delaying a possible bomb. As of now, we have no idea whether they mean to pull a 1939 Germany or just need Crimea.

Gotta love FJ hivemind and jumping to conclusions and calling people idiots out of the blue.
User avatar #102 to #93 - zevran (07/22/2014) [-]
Okay. Let me point out a few things to you.

In europe, no country has annexed part of another country by force since 1945. This is a ressult of the balance of power which has kept europe largely peaceful for the last 70 years.

One of the core principles of international law, and indeed one of the things keeping the entire world somewhat peaceful (you will note that no Great Powers have been at war since WW2, is that a country's territorial integrity is respected.

Thus, by breaching the territorial integrity of Ukraine (a major country with 40 million citizens, in europe) Russia has disturbed the global balance of power at its core, and made the world very uncertain. Especially for weak countries that borders it, which do not have NATO or EU protection.

If a country is allowed to bully and take what they want from its neighbours simply because they want to then the world become a very dangerous place indeed. What stops Germany from taking back East-Prussia from Poland for example? Would Poland be able to stop Germany? Of course not. But Germany would never do such a thing. They respect international law.

Russia do not even 'need' Crimea. Their Black Sea fleet could easily be moved to one of their other countless Black Sea ports. One could say their ports are not large enough. But if Putin can afford to build a new city for the Olympics he can construct a port for his Cold war era fleet as well.

The real reason Putin took Crimea was to punish the Ukrainians for not bending over a desk for him, to send a signal to other former Soviet union countries about what happens to those who defy him. Nations like Kazhakstan can't expect any EU support at all. It's thus a strong signal.

Also, the Russian economy is doing poorly. Putin wasn't as popular as he'd been, and he needs to have at least a pretense of democracy. So he saw a chance to win easy nationalistic points with his poorly educated population.

Running out of characters. I can't be bothered to write more.
User avatar #108 to #102 - edgecutter ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
I may have given notion of him needing spots to park his military fleet, this is however, not my main point of focus with my statements.

My main point of focus is that Russia needs Crimea for commercial needs more than anything else. Russia, although big, has little amount of ports to use for trade.

More as a sidenote than anything else: I want to make it absolutely clear that I do not support the Russians, hell I'm currently aiming to be a student officer and eventually officer for the Belgian army to help with military interventions with Russia if needed. (Although this is one of many reasons, I tell this last bit to avoid comments such as "you are naive" etc.)
User avatar #114 to #108 - zevran (07/22/2014) [-]
Russia has a great many ports. If it could do without Crimea for 50 + years it can do without now. If they really need a great commercial port they can construct one using their petroleum money, instead of investing it all in new millitary hardware.

As for an intervention in Russia. Won't happen. It's far too powerful for that, and they can veto any FN decision from the Security council.

The rebels are done for soon anyway. The Ukrainian army will have control over the area within at most a few months. Crimea will likely remain de-facto part of Russia, but part of Ukraine diplomatically in the eyes of most of the world.

All I'm saying is that it's dangerous to allow a country to breach international norm and law in the way Russia is allowed to do it. The US and NATO may stomp on the rights of some countries. But in the end they leave their territorial integrity alone.

I'm saying this as a Norwegian btw. We've got a border with Russia, and a few islands up north they claim they should possess....
User avatar #112 to #34 - durkadurka (07/22/2014) [-]
The thing about Crimea is that they already had agreements to station military forces there in the first place. That's why there were already so many Russian troops there.

What Russia is doing makes perfect sense: They've had puppet border states since the Soviet Union days.

The West doesn't like this for obvious reasons.

If you want to NOT repeat 1939, we should have stopped the Russians at Crimea. We know from experience that appeasement does not work.
User avatar #115 to #34 - neroiskill (07/22/2014) [-]
That's not the reason they took Crimea all.
User avatar #144 to #115 - chrisel (07/22/2014) [-]
Oh look, that site is for sale.
#48 to #34 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
Can I have your house? I could use somewhere to park my car.
User avatar #72 to #34 - everyziggy (07/22/2014) [-]
So nearly the entire eastern coastline of the Black Sea isn't enough space for them to dock their fleets?
User avatar #65 to #34 - turbodoosh ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
Found the Russian
#45 to #34 - dudeabcd (07/22/2014) [-]
I'm Belgian too, and I completely disagree with you.

Yes I can understand that Russia is feeling threatened by the expansion of Western influence in the former soviet states. But what Putin (basically it's him telling the Russians what to do and not the government) is doing is unjustifiable.

You say Europe can't leave one small spot to do their navy business, but you apparently forget that Russia is the biggest country on earth.

Germany was who attacked Poland in 1939, you can't blame just the allies for that.

Russia is isolating itself by continuing to support the Ukrainian rebels in the East. Some European countries did support the Maidan revolution but remember that that was peaceful until Yanukovitch sent snipers to shoot at the protesters.

Nobody here is innocent, but the reason the fighting didn't stop already is Russia.

This is why we need European cooperation. Because otherwise the small European countries are absolutely no match for larger ones. If we want to be able to decide our future ourselves we need to work together.
User avatar #63 to #45 - edgecutter ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
Yes we need to co-operate, I understand. You have my full co-operation don't worry, I've signed up for the army for worst case scenario's, I'll fight the Russians if I have to. Don't think I support them. That's not the point of what I'm trying to tell, however.

I'm saying that we can at least make an effort to understand them and show a bit of empathy, not sympathy.

Russia needs Crimea as a way to the outside world for their commercial navy as much as their military, though it's more for the commercial one.

Biggest country on earth? Arguably if one were to compare with China, but that's not the point. Matter of fact is, Russia doesn't have all-year access to the outside world to do business. If they had Crimea like we have Antwerpen, things wouldn't be as tense.
#38 to #34 - abstractpink (07/22/2014) [-]
So it should be allowed to freely take parts of countries in case you need to park your military **** ?
#89 to #38 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
when america does it ... its heroic ... when any other country does it ... its terrorism ....
User avatar #141 to #89 - zevran (07/22/2014) [-]
The US does not annex parts of other countries.
#77 to #38 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
America does this all the time. So basically it is allowed, right?
#81 to #77 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
Last I checked the US hasn't annexed anybody in over half a century.
User avatar #43 to #38 - edgecutter ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
I don't think I've really explicitly said military. Crimea is a crucial part for the Russians to have a connection to the outside world.

That and if we look at history, Russia did fight with tooth and nail for Crimea only to have it be given away be some idiot. It is understandable that the Russians want it back.
After all, isn't that what we have done with the Jews and the Gaza region, etc.?
#44 to #43 - abstractpink (07/22/2014) [-]
Those are bad examples, especially Israel because we only did that out of pressure; the jews have no business there, nor do the Russians have business in Crimea; they can do fine with and without Crimea, and even if they really needed it, trying to inaved it is wrong.

Russia is an opressed country with no respect for other nations whatsoever, and they shouldn't be allowed to take anything.
User avatar #53 to #44 - edgecutter ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
"only did that out of pressure" Hoh, the Russians aren't exactly in a state to relax either.

I find it terrible that Western media does everything they can to demonize the Russians.
I do not say that invading a country was particularly smart, or morally just, but you can at least take two steps back, look and then say "Oh... Yeah, I kind of understand what they're driving at, but try to talk it out a bit first."
User avatar #55 to #53 - abstractpink (07/22/2014) [-]
Just because they have a need for something doesn't mean their allowed to just take it; again that just shows typical Russian arrogance. They ****** up, made a horrible mistake, and they should never be allowed to even think about Crimea any longer, this isn't kindergarten, this is nations and politics, and Russia should not be treated like a special ed child. Crimea does not belong to them, Ukraine does not want to give it to them, too ******* bad.
User avatar #60 to #55 - edgecutter ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
It seems you are implying that I support the direct military actions by Russia.
So I will repeat, no, I do not think using military force here was the best of ideas, but honestly, I find it hard to blame them.

Also, there are separatists in Crimea, they want to join up with Russia, so what Ukraine wants is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

The Russians keep gaining excuses to justify their actions, and if Europe doesn't cut it's losses soon and stop giving Russia reasons to get angry, we will get ourselves in a situation that's going to be worse than the little skirmish in Ukraine.

Russia isn't a "special ed child"? Yeah, sure, fair enough. Doesn't mean we can afford to stop giving it special treatment. Is special treatment unfair? **** yes it is.
There is nothing we can really do about that, the world is already set up in an unfair way, and blatantly ignoring special cases just to be able to give equal treatment is childish and immensely stupid.

Now, I want to point out that you have stated "typical Russian arrogance". This, my fellow westerner, is the reason the West is flaring up against Russia. I wish to refrain from saying "conspiracy theory" but you can not deny that the media does it's best to demonize the Russians, resulting in mutual hatred created by the media, because I'm very certain Russian media does the same to instigate hatred towards us.

It is time to take two steps back and look at the entire picture.
The Russians have a lot of excuses, Crimea having been originally Russian being one of them.

Are they petty reasons? Yeah, but petty reasons is what exactly lead to World War 1 and therefore World War 2 as well.

It's not fun to give in, but if you are a pacifist, like many other westerners, it's time to just go "Yes Russia, take Crimea, but that's all you get. We'll keep a close eye on you" and I'm sure the Russians will just go "Alright, this is all we needed, thank you for your business" and that should be fine unless greed becomes prevalent.
User avatar #100 to #60 - avengeralpha (07/22/2014) [-]
Hey man good to see another person that can see the bigger picture the Russian gov really has nowhere to turn in search of safety almost all of Europe is in NATO and China while able to support Russia in the UN on certain topics can not be counted on in any real world situations due to their reliance on foreign business. When President Viktor Yanukovych was ousted Russia realized that the next leader of Ukraine would likely revoke their rights to house their fleet in Crimea. The Separatist groups in Crimea gave Russia the perfect way to.
1. avoid a war against Ukraine
2. Keep control of the black sea

Also the current state of civil war while not started by the Russians is the perfect smokescreen The Ukrainian gov cannot do anything to Crimea while this civil war is going on. So why wouldn't Russia support these Freedom Fighters, it is no different to anything that the US, France, GB have done before. Only this time it is against their interest so they are acting all hypocritical about it. Also Iran Air Flight 655 shows how hypocritical Western media is acting.

In Conclusion Russia is doing the same things that most major countries have done.
User avatar #130 to #55 - dummerbaztard (07/22/2014) [-]
Damn you sound excatly like someone who aalways just watches some american mainstream news and hears "russia = bad" and immediately adapts the idea.

No one said Russia was allowed to do it, but it's like you dont even see how the USA does everything in its might to make Russia look as bad as possible.
User avatar #142 to #130 - abstractpink (07/22/2014) [-]
I am anti-American and anti-Russian, because I dislike both countries.
#82 to #53 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
And you're saying Russian media doesn't demonize NATO? You must be new here.

Also, the logic you're using is what we call "appeasement". That worked just fine in the 1930s, right? In case you're really that ******* dense, it failed spectacularly, resulting in World War II.
User avatar #92 to #82 - edgecutter ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
If you're going to argue with someone, do your best to at least see what they say. I said in a later post that the Russian media most likely demonizes the NATO as well, but when you look at this all, you can just make the analogy with two toddlers yelling really hard at each other.

Instead, we should be a bit more mature, let them have Crimea as it is clear they need it for their commerce and keep a very close eye on them. What happened in 1930 is completely ignoring what Germany was doing.
User avatar #105 to #92 - reginleif (07/22/2014) [-]
>What happened in 1930 is completely ignoring what Germany was doing.

It's not, this is a perfect example of what Putin is doing. Annexing territory under pretense of protecting their minorities in other countries isn't a baseless accusation this is literally what Hitler did.

Weak European response/ a general lack of ****** to give for unimportant countries....

People like to cry Hitler, but here we have a textbook case of some madman taking over countries in order to fulfill his ambitions of past glory. Whether is be Reich or Union.

User avatar #111 to #105 - edgecutter ONLINE (07/22/2014) [-]
I admit that there is a good possibility of Putin pulling a Hitler, but nonetheless, it's only a possibility. We are going to take a massive hit in the public relations department if we have it completely wrong.

That's not to say, we don't have to prepare for a possible military intervention, if not war.
War is entirely plausible. People in this comment section take me for some pro-Russian, which I am not. I'm only trying to tell people to NOT jump the gun. Wait and see and polish your rifles while you're at it, just on the safe side. Russia has more than enough excuses to do what they are doing.
#116 to #43 - shadowgandalf (07/22/2014) [-]
Then Denmark should get back skåne, a huge chunck of northern Germany and the ******* entirety of Norway.
User avatar #83 to #38 - serotonin (07/22/2014) [-]
USA basically had Kosovo separated from Serbia to build Camp Bondsteel so...yeah.

And Crimea was part of Russia that was gifted to Ukraine on a whim of its president against constitution.
User avatar #85 to #83 - zevran (07/22/2014) [-]
Never mind that Kosovo came about as a ressult of a decade long civil war and in an attempt to stop genocides.

Crimea was annexed because Putin wanted to punish those naughty Ukrainians for not bending over and getting ass-raped by Russia.
#131 to #85 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
Or because they overthrew the government, created a terrorist state, and needed to be taught a lesson. Crimea was also part of Russia.

Russia is one of the only European countries not a puppet state of the EU, or part of it, so it's referred to as "evil"
User avatar #140 to #131 - zevran (07/22/2014) [-]
The goverment of Ukraine was overthrown. Fair enough. And it may not have been an entirely legal thing. But it's still a matter for Ukraine, and does not give Russia the right to annex part of an inderpendent country.

To call the regime in Ukraine a terrorist regime is simply wrong. More so now since there have been a democratic election.

No. Crimea was and is not part of Russia. The city of Savastopol was on lease to the Russian navy, but Crimea was still part of Ukraine, although it was a partly autonomus region within Ukraine. It was part of Russia and the Soviet union from 1783 to 1954 when it was transfered to Ukraine within the Soviet union.

That a region has been part of another country does not give the previous owner a valid claim to the area. Perhaps you think Great Britain would be within its rights to annex Ireland. Or perhaps the Netherlands should be granted Belgium as a province.

Russia isn't regarded as evil. But it is regarded as a bully which has no regards for international law. It throws its size and power around in a way that no other country does. Even China, the communist dictatorship and comming superpower respects international law. Russia does not, and it weakens itself and the stability of world peace by acting the way it does.

As for the EU. It serves a purpose. And it does not use millitary means in order to influence other countries. It is a "soft power", and it acts within the bounds of law and norm.
#80 to #38 - anon (07/22/2014) [-]
They're already doing that. This is the exact same thing as what happened when Germany occupied part of what was then Czechoslovakia under the premise of "protecting ethnic Germans". The Russians have used the exact same excuse to justify their actions, verbatim, just replace "Germans" with "Russians".
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