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Stump the Trump

Falsehood
Statements since 2007 by presidential candidates (and some current and former officeholders)
ranked from most dishonest over all to least dishonest, as by Politifact. 'Tents on
Fire” refers to the most egregious falsehoods.
Percent Mostly Pants Mostly Half False,
False and worse: on Fire False False Half True
Ben Carson one - I 4% Percent
Ted Cruz as - - 22 True
Rick Santorum - - 22
Marco Rome 40 l - 38
Lindsey Graham or six - 34
Chris Christie " l -1- 41
Rand Paul 32 l - 47
Joseph R. Biden " l - 39
Jeb Bush 32 l - 48
Bernie Sanders as
Hillary Clinton "
Barack Obama "
Martin o' Malley "
Bill Clinton 24
Mostly True True
Too few statements have been to include Jim Gilmore. George E. Pataki and George W. Bush- The
number of statements analyzed varies for each person. Some oars total more or less than 103% ofcause of
rounding.
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Submitted: 12/16/2015
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User avatar #1 - wcpapier (12/16/2015) [-]
>Hillary clinton
>1 of the most honest

This isnt biased at all
#17 to #1 - rsfishy (12/16/2015) [-]
Hilary Clinton is more honest because she makes more political statements, rarely saying specific things.
#3 to #1 - heybabyhowyoudoin [OP](12/16/2015) [-]
So support/opposition of Hilary Clinton is the sole determiner of unnecessary bias?
User avatar #5 to #3 - wcpapier (12/16/2015) [-]
Its an indicator.
And its the only one i am sure off
User avatar #7 to #5 - theism ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
Have anything to contradict it?
User avatar #9 to #7 - elvoz (12/16/2015) [-]
>>#8
#2 to #1 - bobtombobbob (12/16/2015) [-]
Facts suck don't they?
User avatar #4 to #2 - wcpapier (12/16/2015) [-]
What, that hillary clinton is a lying **** is a fact
#6 to #4 - bobtombobbob (12/16/2015) [-]
Yes she is as are most political people, but in comparison with Trump and Carson she is an angel.
You notice how DT just makes **** up to divide and to play to petty bigotry ingrained in people.
Some fun facts about the effects of Trumps words.
Incited dozens of beating
Is being used by ISIS to recruit
Incited a new age of violent white nationalism
Most of the other peoples words could not be used to do these things because they understand that words have effects and don't wish to get people killed for votes
User avatar #8 to #6 - elvoz (12/16/2015) [-]
I'm gonna need some sources on those claims there, bobby. Those fun facts seem like fun propaganda.

But don't worry, I bring a few sources to the table as well.
www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans
www.politifactbias.com/
www.newsmax.com/Reagan/PolitiFact-Fact-Checkers-Bias/2015/03/20/id/631565/
#10 to #8 - randomuploads (12/16/2015) [-]
www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/donald-trumps-muslim-bashing-aids-cause-terror-networks-say-experts-n476221

There you go. Don't know why you need a source for that, it doens't take a genius to realise that the way Trump speaks about muslims is an excellent way for ISIS to demonise the US and rally people to their cause.

I believe his other fun facts are true as well, but they're far harder to quantify and therefore measure Trumps effect upon.

What's clear though is that Trumps rhetoric does nothing but polarise the whole debat even further, which could arguably be seen as a form of inciting violence.
User avatar #11 to #10 - elvoz (12/16/2015) [-]
Weird. Usually ISIS comes out straight about what they are doing, but so far they haven't had much to say about Trump. Let alone proclaim that he is furthering their cause. So it's only Americans that have speculated he may fuel some radical recruiting. I'm not saying they definitely aren't doing that, but so far there is no empirical evidence that they are.

Likewise I'm getting a vibe that you haven't ever really listened to Trump, only read articles about what he's said. And probably slanted articles no less, as most seem to be these days. Taking his speech, properly and in context, Trump has only called for efforts against immigrating Muslims. He had nothing to say about those living in the US, only those that would be arriving in the future. I'll admit his plans for screening are pretty... steep, but declaring it to be racist is just false. That would be nationalist if anything, which can be debated to be worse but whatever.

And his "rhetoric" doesn't polarize anything. He has not said "the Muslims are the enemy" or "the Mexicans are the enemy" or anything damning like that. The media would like you to believe he has, because all the businesses that own the mainstream media outlets are heavy supporters of Hillary Clinton, but that doesn't change the fact. He has done nothing to incite violence, he has never advocated for violence, and there certainly aren't any reports on violence that can be linked to him. Where are all the Muslim beatings? Where are the illegal alien lynchings? There aren't any. Closet racists might have come from the woodwork to say a thing or two because they felt they could do so safely with politically-incorrect Trump dominating the airwaves, but they are independent of him. When Obama was running for President in 2008 you had droves of closet racists come out to say that voting against him was racist. Did that mean Obama incited racism? No, he didn't.

You can dislike or hate Trump all you want, but do it for legitimate and valid reasons. "He's racist" is lies and slander and you would know that if you've taken an effort to hear what he has to say. Unabridged by media, mind you.

But by all means if you want to stand by what you already said please go ahead and carry the burden of proof and find where Trump has incited any kind of problems, aside from racist Twitter and Facebook posts made by old men and 4chan-type edgemasters. You won't find any violence, any movements, any groups who idealize Trump as their reason for being. Truth is that he's done nothing wrong. Not to say he is infallible and won't ever do anything wrong, but to say he already has is false.

Sorry for textwall. I get a bit wordy late at night after a few drinks.
#12 to #11 - randomuploads (12/16/2015) [-]
"Trump doesn't polarise the debat" Yea ok sure, good luck with the hangover bro.
User avatar #13 to #12 - elvoz (12/16/2015) [-]
I put in all that effort and that is what you come back with? I am disappoint, son.
#14 to #13 - randomuploads (12/16/2015) [-]
Yeay well I'm sorry but I just dont think I can gain anything from this discussion. It would've been different if we were sitting in a pub, but on the internet communication just isn't fast enough. You're flooding me with arguments, I could go into them all but that would take a lot of time. Time I am not prepared to invest in something that doesn't concern me massively (I'm from the netherlands), and which I think is a lost cause. To me as soon as a politician says something as dumb and downright insulting as "Mexico sends all it's rapists" that means I don't have to take him seriously anymore, nor his supporters. Politicians are supposed to be a level above average joe.
User avatar #15 to #14 - elvoz (12/16/2015) [-]
They're all a few levels below, my friend. But I can't blame you for the way you look at it. My salt is gone now. And I should probably go to sleep on that note. 3 AM is a bit late for me...

Adios, muchacho.
#16 to #15 - randomuploads (12/16/2015) [-]
Fair enough, sleep well.

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