somethin about a hammer
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inzix (09/21/2015) [-] QUANTUM QUANTUM I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT QUANTUM MEANS BUT IT IS AN ADVANCED WORD I I AM SCIENCE NOW
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] The **** is this **** ? WORDS MEAN THINGS! You can't just throw the word "quantum" in the middle of a sentence and suddenly make it all scientific. Do you even KNOW what the **** quantum means? Mjolnir is a goddamn hammer, even if a thing such a as a fixed quantum point existed, you can't apply quantum physics to a ******* hammer. Not to mention the fact that if it were somehow a magically fixed point in space, it'd fly away at a bajillion km/h, because the Earth is constantly rotating at a really ******* high speed and is also spinning even faster around the sun, which is spinning around the center of the galaxy, which is hurdling through space.
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greekrascal (09/22/2015) [-] Wrong link, whoops. Let me see if I can find the right one.
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kingarturi ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] i thought that was what the hammer actually was? i read that they made 9 hammers and they zoomed out somewhere cause they were fixed points and so they magiced the last one to not just zoom off somewhere. comicexplain help pls
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Ballbreaker (09/21/2015) [-] there is a theory I have read cant find source that used quantum gravity to explain that if you are not worthy the hammer increases it's interaction with the gravity equal to the amount of force acted on it so hulk might be lifting it but the floor on it doesn't feel a difference because if hulk lifts with 500 pounds of force then the hammer gets 500 pounds heavier so the difference the surface feels is 0 that solves all contradictions (I still don't know how exactly the science works but it is just a fake hammer)
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] It's magic. The explanation is magic. There is no mystery as to how the hammer works. It's just magic. A magic hammer, that was enchanted by a magic old guy, who rules over a magic kingdom in a universe where magic exists. It's not quantum gravity, it's magic. M.A.G.I.C. Maaaaaaaaaaaaagiiiiiiiiiiiiiic.
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everyziggy (09/21/2015) [-] Go watch Antman and you'll see that Marvel uses the words "quantum" and "magic" interchangeably.
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] By breaking all the laws of physics and doing whatever the **** it wants. You can't explain how it works, because it's not bound by any rules, such as logic or the rules of nature.
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tylosaurus ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] Actually, in the Marvel universe...
Thor isn't a god, just regarded as one. He is an alien and their "magic" is just really advanced technology. Unfortunately.
Thor isn't a god, just regarded as one. He is an alien and their "magic" is just really advanced technology. Unfortunately.
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] No, that's the marvel MOVIE universe. In the marvel COMIC universe, he's a full-fledged god. The reason they downgraded him in the movies is so he can be part of the avengers. In the comics, he only really helps the avengers when he has nothing better to do or it's some sort of giant threat. Comic book Thor spends most of his time off-Earth, dealing with **** that could destroy the entire universe. He doesn't have time to deal with petty crime in New York. Also, if he were as powerful in the movie as he is in the comics, he'd have been able to singlehandedly stop Lokis' army, Ultrons' army and Malakeths (who is also lame as **** in the movie) army without even breaking a sweat. He's pretty damn overpowered. He could give Galactus a wedgie.
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] They're not bad. The comics are just waaaaaaaay better. I'm still pissed no one in the movies has taken part in the sacred tradition of angry midget tossing yet. Then again, it could be because they decided to cast a 6' 2" actor to play the 5' 3" superhero. Can't really do the fastball special without the angry midget.
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] No idea. It's just a random pic I've seen. Ask comicexplain.
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tylosaurus ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] I really don't like the whole Avengers thing. Like, they are meant to protect human kind against intergalactic **** , but yet they consist of.. an archer, an assasin and a bit stronger than other people heroes. Like, it doesn't fit for that.
With that said, I guess I did enjoy the movies. I just don't like the concepts here.
With that said, I guess I did enjoy the movies. I just don't like the concepts here.
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] That's cause the movie avengers are, like............... 6 people. The comic avengers are more like 60. Pretty much every A-list superhero has been an avenger at one point or another. If **** ever hit the fan and they had to call in every single avenger in order to fight a threat, they'd basically assemble an army of superheroes. Which is why they decided not to do that in the movies. Wouldn't be as dramatic if that scene with Stark and Loki went more like
"I have an army."
"We have a way better army. Also the Hulk, She-Hulk, the asgardian army, which is on standby, the antlantean army, assuming Namor doesn't decide to be a bitch again, several planets, a small pantheon of gods, dr. Strange owes me a favor or two and Nick Fury has your retconned son Deadpool on speed dial in case we need someone to demoralize the enemy."
"I have an army."
"We have a way better army. Also the Hulk, She-Hulk, the asgardian army, which is on standby, the antlantean army, assuming Namor doesn't decide to be a bitch again, several planets, a small pantheon of gods, dr. Strange owes me a favor or two and Nick Fury has your retconned son Deadpool on speed dial in case we need someone to demoralize the enemy."
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] Possibly less. Comic Loki's also powerful as **** . He wouldn't really need the tessathingie to open a portal to Earth. He could do that in his sleep. So there's that part of the movie gone.
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danirblade (09/22/2015) [-]
low grade physics - if the hammer is getting heavier then more force is pushing the Hulk down, and by extension - the ship
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Ballbreaker (09/22/2015) [-] so hulk would push the ship down not the hammer thats why the ground collapses under hulk and not under the hammer what you say supports what I said
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danirblade (09/22/2015) [-]
kinda, but all im saying is that the **** will fall, not stay in the same spot
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Ballbreaker (09/22/2015) [-] yeah it would but not relative to the hammer (thats my point)
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] That'd make sense. That's a show about time travel and as we all know time travel is fueled by ******** .
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sinonyx (09/22/2015) [-] i don't know what point you're trying to make when you say the mythology of thor is older than doctor who, but you're not making it
i'm going to be confident when i say that i'm 100% certain that ancient mythology does not say "mjolnir is a fixed point in space. space moves around it, not the other way around"..
the fixed point thing would be most known from the show doctor who, it's extremely logical to assume that these people on tumblr have only heard of a fixed point in time/space from the show doctor who
i'm going to be confident when i say that i'm 100% certain that ancient mythology does not say "mjolnir is a fixed point in space. space moves around it, not the other way around"..
the fixed point thing would be most known from the show doctor who, it's extremely logical to assume that these people on tumblr have only heard of a fixed point in time/space from the show doctor who
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theuglyginger (09/21/2015) [-] Furthermore, one of the fundamental postulates of special relativity is that there is no preferred reference frame, so to say that a point "isn't moving" is meaningless, since the idea of stillness is really just saying you aren't moving relative to the other object.
However, you can say that the point is inertial, meaning it will never accelerate, but for that same reason, it will not fly away at "a bajilion km/hr" because you can choose an inertial frame that moves with the surface of the earth. The only catch is that the surface of the earth isn't completely inertial (this is the same reason we see the well known Coriolis effect), so the hammer would appear to rise into the air and move to the west slowly, as the earth rotated away from it. (Imagine a circle rotating and dot moving tangentially at the same speed.)
However, you can say that the point is inertial, meaning it will never accelerate, but for that same reason, it will not fly away at "a bajilion km/hr" because you can choose an inertial frame that moves with the surface of the earth. The only catch is that the surface of the earth isn't completely inertial (this is the same reason we see the well known Coriolis effect), so the hammer would appear to rise into the air and move to the west slowly, as the earth rotated away from it. (Imagine a circle rotating and dot moving tangentially at the same speed.)
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theuglyginger (09/21/2015) [-] No, you don't get it. Those are the same exact statement just in a different reference frame.
Because our four three space-like and one time-like dimensional universe has a symmetry in your velocity The Lagrangian is invariant over velocity boosts in the Galilei group. , there is no difference between saying that some point A is stationary while some point B moves at velocity v in A's rest frame and that point B is stationary and point A moves at velocity -v in B's rest frame .
Because our four three space-like and one time-like dimensional universe has a symmetry in your velocity The Lagrangian is invariant over velocity boosts in the Galilei group. , there is no difference between saying that some point A is stationary while some point B moves at velocity v in A's rest frame and that point B is stationary and point A moves at velocity -v in B's rest frame .
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crustypizza ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] That's ultimate universe, at one point Magneto stole it and used it to screw New York
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basklein (09/21/2015) [-] Meh, if your technology is advanced enough to be able to manipulate the smallest form of energy in the universe, basically anything is possible. Which is kind of what happens when magic. For example, magical artifacts of the elements that keep everything in check are basically just sort of quantum locks to keep **** in place.
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basklein (09/21/2015) [-] And I don't know enough about the comics or the movie to either confirm or discredit your statement. But isn't technology harder to explain than magic? Because when technology does the stuff you have to explain how it does the stuff, when with magic you can just say, it's magic, who the **** knows how it works.
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ventusvsroxas (09/21/2015) [-] Wait, wrong comment. It really throws me off when someone replies to their own post in a chain of an argument, and I end up saying the same thing as the person I agree with.
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ventusvsroxas (09/21/2015) [-] Well, imagine trying to explain to somebody from the 1800s what the hell a radio or a computer is without them calling it magic or witchcraft ******** . And aren't the Asgardians old as balls compared to the rest of the universe? So when we see magic, couldn't it just be highly advanced technology?
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taintedangel (09/21/2015) [-] There's no scientific explanation. The hammer weighs ~25 - 40 lbs. Odin placed an enchantment on it that only allows the worthy to lift it. Otherwise, the hammer will adhere to whatever surface it's on and not allow it to be lifted.
The realm of Asgard has no science. Read a ******* comic tumblr.
The realm of Asgard has no science. Read a ******* comic tumblr.
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kingarturi ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] it was forged from a star though wasn't it? so wouldn't it weigh more?
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kingarturi ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] why would they need to do it IN a star? that feels like over complicating it.
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taintedangel (09/21/2015) [-] Cus the dwarves of Svartalfheim could? lol
The uru metal that makes the hammer needed to be forged there for some reason I forget.
The uru metal that makes the hammer needed to be forged there for some reason I forget.
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taintedangel (09/21/2015) [-] That's one of two problems I have with the Thor movie. The other is that Odin is somewhat protective of Midgard/humans, when in the comics he just doesn't give two ***** about them.
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thechosentroll (09/21/2015) [-] >>#45, The reason tumblr is confused by how Mjolnir works is because there's a massive difference between the movie universe and the comic book universe. Movie Thor is an alien from a highly advanced civilization that uses fancy technology that seems like magic. Comic Thor is a ******* GOD from a highly advanced civilization that uses magic. In the comics, the guy doesn't need the rainbow bridge or any of that crap to get to Earth. He can just fly here, because he's a goddamn god. In the same way that Loki wouldn't need the tessewhatchamacallit to open a gate through space and time. He does that **** for fun in the comics.
But back to the topic at hand, in the comics Mjolnir is 100% magic and everyone acknowledges that fact (except for Stark, who's a stubborn ass). In the movies, Mjolnir is still 100% magic, but everyone keeps pretending magic doesn't exist. So, people who've only watched the movies think that Mjolnir isn't magic and try to explain how it works. Which is stupid, because it's ******* magic.
But back to the topic at hand, in the comics Mjolnir is 100% magic and everyone acknowledges that fact (except for Stark, who's a stubborn ass). In the movies, Mjolnir is still 100% magic, but everyone keeps pretending magic doesn't exist. So, people who've only watched the movies think that Mjolnir isn't magic and try to explain how it works. Which is stupid, because it's ******* magic.
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anon (09/22/2015) [-]
Yeah. In Thor (1) Thor basically says magic and science are the same. But that doesn't mean you can explain magic. I believe it's more so that magic can be understood to certain degrees like science. All we have are theories. The theory of gravity, the big bang theory, etc. Same with magic. There's an understanding and some things are lawful, but not everything can be fully explained.
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erotictentacle (09/21/2015) [-] WELL DUH, HE SAID QUANTUM AND SPACE IN THE SAME POST!
HE'S OBVIOUSLY A GENIOUS
HE'S OBVIOUSLY A GENIOUS
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randomwanker (09/21/2015) [-] Throwing the word quantum into a sentence doesn't make it make more sense
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deadzone (09/21/2015) [-]
Its not heavy. Its enchanted by Odin to only allow those worthy to weild or move it. So when it was put on top of Loki he couldnt move because he wasnt worthy enough to move it. Read the comics people
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potroast (09/21/2015) [-] so if there was another mjolnir(fixed point in the universe) could thor rip the universe apart with both? or how would that work?
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comicexplain (09/21/2015) [-] That's not quite how science works, Potroast! Although Mjolnir is a fixed point, it's a subjugated fixed point - Meaning the universe would bend with both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker, like trying to spread apart two motions of the sea.
It would create a current, that's for sure, but it wouldn't rip the universe! It's a bit more flexible than that, after all!
It would create a current, that's for sure, but it wouldn't rip the universe! It's a bit more flexible than that, after all!
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comicexplain (09/21/2015) [-] One of the few who have been worthy of wielding Thors Hammer, and was given his own to wield!
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michaelrock (09/21/2015) [-] hey you know where this is from and if you know would you happen to know if theres any porn of it?
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mrwalkerfour ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] ******* people getting too deep into what is essentially a children comic.
its magic, its not some weird ******* science that marvel made, they just decide when its heavy and when its not, it doesnt have to have perfect continuity in the comics because kids don't care about that **** , no child would criticize the hammer being hooked up
its magic, its not some weird ******* science that marvel made, they just decide when its heavy and when its not, it doesnt have to have perfect continuity in the comics because kids don't care about that **** , no child would criticize the hammer being hooked up
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notanotheraccount (09/21/2015) [-] Why is creating slightly, its ******* tumblr science-based explanations for something such a problem?
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mrwalkerfour ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] its not its jsut how they argue and go all serious about it, and try dick measuring over who thinks theyve got it right
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notanotheraccount (09/21/2015) [-] Ahh, thank you. I tend to skip the ******** comments in my head when reading these, so i've never really understood why people will get so mad about 'em.
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theism ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] None of those words are used correctly. That's not how any of that works.
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amuzen (09/21/2015) [-]
If I say the word 'quantum' enough that means it's a scientific explanation right?
That ****** silly.
That ****** silly.
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sooshishef (09/21/2015) [-] It has no weight for anything it rests on if that thing is something that is inanimate. Only a being (ie. living) can lift it if they are worthy of being called Thor. Loki couldn't lift it because he's not worthy. Steve could budge it partially in Avengers 2 because he is supposed to be a symbol of justice and virtue, thus he has a fraction of the character that is required to lift Mjolnir. It's magic cause it's Marvel. No science. No quantum mechanics or whatever the **** ******** they're trying to seem like they know about.
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arkis ONLINE (09/21/2015) [-] This surprisingly enough is how a lot of good hypotheses that become good theories are started, people **** kick an idea around and the one guy with a general knowledge of things, but maybe not a whole understanding, pieces different parts of knowledge together in order to try and form the correct answer. General discussion, even slightly stupid discussion about a topic, can lead to wonderful ideas, its largely why science has increased advancement speed every time we get a faster mode of communication, phones, and then even more so with the internet ( Internet allowing transmission of data and graphs and diagrams and such over great distances in considerably less time to get to them in physically)
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iliekcereal (09/21/2015) [-] i love the whole "tumblr post/top-rated fj comment explaining why tumblr post is ******** " format we've got going on
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secretdestroyers (09/21/2015) [-] Well, Vision's an android and, being that he's a newborn, is almost completly pure of heart and uncorrupted, thus making him worthy.
Cap on the other hand, makes the hammer budge but the fact that it only does that might be saying that he he has to prove himself in order to be considered worthy....we just don't know for sure yet...
Cap on the other hand, makes the hammer budge but the fact that it only does that might be saying that he he has to prove himself in order to be considered worthy....we just don't know for sure yet...
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coolnamestaken (09/21/2015) [-] **coolnamestaken used "*roll picture*"**
**coolnamestaken rolled image**In the first movie it is stated that only Thor can Wield the hammer meaning that any living being who isn't Thor is unable to because they are unworthy. Captain America comes close in the 2nd Avengers by nudging it and then Jarvis can wield it because he is worthy. The hammer does not weigh down lifeless objects because it acts as a normal object. That's why when Loki is held down he is not crushed. The weight isn't acting on him, he just isn't worthy to lift the hammer therefore is held down by the magical force embedded in Mjolnir.
**coolnamestaken rolled image**In the first movie it is stated that only Thor can Wield the hammer meaning that any living being who isn't Thor is unable to because they are unworthy. Captain America comes close in the 2nd Avengers by nudging it and then Jarvis can wield it because he is worthy. The hammer does not weigh down lifeless objects because it acts as a normal object. That's why when Loki is held down he is not crushed. The weight isn't acting on him, he just isn't worthy to lift the hammer therefore is held down by the magical force embedded in Mjolnir.
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StewieGGriffin (09/21/2015) [-] It's only stubborn in certain people's hands, it moves as a hammer not the space around it. Hence only the worthy can move it. It doesn't require you move the sapce around it or Cap wouldn't have been able to move it.
