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#7 - anon (01/14/2014) [-]
>Animu ********
>Real people

What a crock of **** .
#11 to #7 - thatonesouthernkid (01/14/2014) [-]
you guys are thumbing him down, but there isn't a single art college out there that accepts anime in your application portfolio. it simply doesn't display enough skill. and yes i understand that the post is just a joke
#78 to #11 - riikun (01/15/2014) [-]
Im currently making a portfolio comic project in a style that's pretty similar to anime.
its not that i cant draw real people, but cartoons is where im more experienced at and thats what I want to show.
User avatar #91 to #78 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
yeah but in my experience, ya know what's hard? creating a cartoon style that looks good, and isn't Anime. like, no one will look at it and say "nice anime!"

that **** is hard.
User avatar #12 to #11 - tinglyturtletaint (01/14/2014) [-]
>implying what an art college does and doesn't accept means anything whatsoever.
User avatar #13 to #12 - thatonesouthernkid (01/14/2014) [-]
it means a lot actually, it's something that's very easy to learn. i'm not saying it doesn't require talent, i'm just saying that drawing anime is really nothing like drawing an actual person. the proportions and anatomy are completely ****** up on any anime character. they are in no way "real people", that's all i'm saying. no need to get so butthurt over it.
#102 to #13 - crimsonsunshine ONLINE (01/15/2014) [-]
Go watch REDLINE and tell me that **** wouldn't be hard to draw, ink and animate.
User avatar #114 to #102 - thatonesouthernkid (01/16/2014) [-]
for the last ******* time, i did not say that drawing anime isn't hard.
User avatar #24 to #13 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
as an artist, I can confirm. there's a reason so many talentless losers opt to draw in "Manga Style" because drawing a manga face requires about 12% of the effort, practice, and talent of drawing a real face.

"omg guise u draw two big circles for the eyes and you add some more circles and then you ad some lines for the rest of da face guise, and tada look I'm an artist hurr durr."

it's ******* effortless. not saying it cant look good, it's just easy as **** .
User avatar #18 to #13 - useroftheLOLZ (01/15/2014) [-]
Well, I have to disagree with you on a few points. Depending on the style you're drawing, you can either have **** that's so easy to draw, a 9 year old Japaneses kid could do better, or you can have something incredibly intricate, and incredibly well drawn, that could have only been made by someone who has studied human figure drawing, and landscape painting, for quite a few years. And, for the most part, if you want to make top notch "Anime" or stylized art, you have to have a very complex understanding of art, as well as having a deep sense of creativity. And, back to proportions and anatomy, that mostly comes down to individual style, and even then, that actually is narrowed down to different, common styles. Hell, I have seen, some amazing stylized or "Anime" artwork, that has had proper proportions, but what amazed me wasn't just the quality of the art work, it was how intricate it was, and that's what you kind of have to just stylized art on, how accurate it is, as well as how intricate it is as well. Almost anyone can do figure drawing, you're just drawing what you see with your eyes, but being able to draw a ******* , I don't know, a Valkyrie descending from Valhalla, to meet Fenrir, on a battlefield made of the Ashes of the old world, takes a certain level of skill needed for the figure drawing, and combining it with a complex sense of creativity, and an in depth level of artistic sense, to be able to realize and portray all the intricate details needed of such a drawing.

The reason why not many art colleges take stylized work, is because of very old ideologies, that only this hyper realistic charcoal drawing of a figure, is "True" art. It's all very "True Scotsman" like.
#77 to #18 - pkrbarmovie (01/15/2014) [-]
I disagree with you completely but shall not argue with you because you used the "No True Scotsman" fallacy in an aesthetic argument. This proves you are an idiot.

Have a good day.
#23 to #18 - imoriginalposter (01/15/2014) [-]
This man speaks the truth, have a tutorial.
#71 to #23 - mampfer (01/15/2014) [-]
I literally understand quantum physics better than this **** .
User avatar #28 to #23 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
body studies like this are actually a common practice. anyone and everyone who can draw something has done this. it is likely they looked at a real person's hand when they drew this. the way my teachers have taught me is to always use a reference when you practice, that way you can get to the point where you just know how to draw a hand out of the blue without the need of a reference.
#33 to #28 - imoriginalposter (01/15/2014) [-]
****		 it, dont care, was gonna type a reply but this isn't even an interesting conversation, have some gifs.   
TFW 2D animation is dead ;-;
**** it, dont care, was gonna type a reply but this isn't even an interesting conversation, have some gifs.

TFW 2D animation is dead ;-;
#111 to #33 - imoriginalposter (01/15/2014) [-]
gif gets downvotes? k T_T
have another tutorial then. Trying to avoid posting one of my many "How to draw breasts" tutorials
User avatar #117 to #111 - ifuhq (01/18/2014) [-]
Dude, if it's not too much trouble, could you drop a few more tutorials on my profile? I'm trying to get into drawing, and proportions and stuff really stump me.
User avatar #35 to #33 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
okay, but just so you know, i was just saying that what you put down was legit.
User avatar #20 to #18 - useroftheLOLZ (01/15/2014) [-]
*"and that's what you kind of have to judge stylized art upon"
User avatar #16 to #13 - imoriginalposter (01/15/2014) [-]
That is objectivley wrong, go to /ic/ and look at all the **** in the Animu thread but in the regular drawthreads there is some great stuff plenty of anime there that ISN'T **** because the people actually work at it.
#26 to #16 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
there's some really good anime i've seen too. i'm not saying stuff like this is bad, it's just that anime is an animation style and doesn't work to well in the art world unless it's really creatively worked with the media usage, color theory, meaning, and composition. like this is cool, but there's so much that can make it a better piece.
#17 to #16 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
hold up there friend, i never said anime is **** . i actually love anime, studio ghibli has produced some of my favorite films of all time. anime does have an aesthetic appeal, but it isn't drawing real people. like this drawing here.
User avatar #25 to #17 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
that's actually just a duplication of a photograph... not a good example.
User avatar #27 to #25 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
what's wrong with it? you could have ended up with the same result if a model was used. that's what a lot of artists do now a days because a photo is much easier to keep still than a person.
User avatar #32 to #27 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
drawing from photographs, drawing from life, drawing from models, drawing from any sort of reference diminishes the skill.

Duplication is for cameras and photocopy machines, true artists don't duplicate. they create.
User avatar #34 to #32 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
are you for real?
User avatar #37 to #34 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
sort of. I just know it's a lot harder to synthesize an image than to just copy something.

when you create a piece of artwork like that, you're not really creating anything, you're just making a duplication of an already existing image. it's like painting by number, or coloring in the lines... or building a piece of ikea furniture based on the instructions. of course something has to be said for the patience and execution. fine media control, craft, etc. but from a purely creative standpoint, you're not really creating anything that a scanner and an instagram filter couldn't create.

it's the diference between producing something, and creating something. duplication, vs synthesis.
#69 to #37 - anon (01/15/2014) [-]
hey building an ikea couch isn't easy buddy
User avatar #65 to #37 - zombieblob (01/15/2014) [-]
You're right, what usually counts is imagination, innovation, you can acquire skill with practice but originality is hard.
User avatar #39 to #37 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
yes but to get the form down, you have to use a reference most of the time. i recently made a piece that involved using several images just so i could make one. the reason you use a reference is so you do have a "rule book", like you said. but the rules are more about having something to guide you in how light refracts off of the object (like you could look at curtains for a reference to draw batman's cape). you'll actually find that by practicing drawing what you see can actually make you better at drawing, because when you've drawn something enough you understand what's really there. if you leonardo da vinci was known for sitting down in the public square and drawing everyone he saw.
User avatar #42 to #39 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
**** I meant easier.
Drawing a portrait of a subject that exists, is easier than drawing a portrait of a subject that does not exsist. Because with the later, you have to create the reference. you don't have the luxury of duplication.
User avatar #115 to #42 - thatonesouthernkid (01/16/2014) [-]
yes, in this regard you are correct. but to get to that point requires much practice.
User avatar #116 to #115 - flnonymousseven (01/16/2014) [-]
I definitely agree.
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User avatar #40 to #39 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
TLDR: you need to know what something looks like before you can draw it accurately.
User avatar #21 to #17 - imoriginalposter (01/15/2014) [-]
I'm just saying people devalue the effort taken in any good work of art, style, subject, and medium notwithstanding, if its not **** , it took time and effort. (Unless you're Kim Jung Gi)
User avatar #38 to #21 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
paving a road takes time and effort. that doesn't make it art. art requires more. art requires creation. ingenuity. originality.
User avatar #43 to #38 - imoriginalposter (01/15/2014) [-]
In other words "art" reqiuires abstract ******** pulled out of somones ass to justify their time wasting? Art is equal to the amount of effort put into it, simple as that. Even if it's **** , if you tried your hardest it is a YOUR work of art, good art is subjective, actual art is not.
User avatar #45 to #43 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
creativity, inginutiy, and originality are anything but abstract. for instance, drawing a bird might not be that creative, but drawing a flaming bird made of crystal, flying underwater, is a bit more creative. paving a road is not inandof itself, inginuitive, but paving a road across an ocean, or underground, or at 90 degrees straight up, that might require some original thought.
#79 to #45 - pkrbarmovie (01/15/2014) [-]
Big difference between creativity and novelty; creativity = intelligence + imagination; novelty = imagination. The things you describe are "novelty". They do not really possess quality. They are basically just schizophrenia and a bit of "look at me, I'm deep and imotionul (sic)". While true creativity can shine even when an artist just draws a beautiful landscape he had seen yesterday. This takes sensibility and being able to reproduce/create beauty is what art is about. Art is not only about creativity, it's about quality and skill also.
#90 to #79 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
I'm not even going to pretend this was the point I was trying to make all along, but I agree with it and I think I will adopt it. very well said.
#93 to #90 - pkrbarmovie (01/15/2014) [-]
Good talking to you, then. Have a good day/night.
#44 to #43 - flnonymousseven (01/15/2014) [-]
I completely lost track of where you were being sarcastic and where you weren't. i didn't mean to offend you. can you try to explain that a bit more calmly?
User avatar #29 to #21 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
of course it did, drawing an anime character can take hours. but most art pieces i've seen take weeks. i'm not knocking the style, but there's a reason it's normally a moving picture.
#14 to #13 - anon (01/15/2014) [-]
Yeah it is not like you're the one that sounds butthurt or anything.
User avatar #15 to #14 - thatonesouthernkid (01/15/2014) [-]
i'm just trying to help a brother out.
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