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Putin's eating Turkey for thanksgiving!

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USA What in the hell is wrong with we boy?
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Turkey I shat down a Russian fighter jet by mistake, I thought it was in
my airspace...
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Syria Remind me... When did MY airspace become YOUR airspace?
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USA Jesus banging Christ; eating a jelly doughnut and drinking coffee-
boy we must trf fell and bumped veer entire head....
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Russia Time to Remove I{ abate....
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Turkey THUMB, CHILL.
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Turkey RENATO, y' all got me right???
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NATO I would tam, but dey' tryo
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United Kingdom Youve on Your Own, mate.
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#22 - shekelnator (11/25/2015) [-]
An Accurate Image of Turkey when they shot the Russian Jet
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User avatar #49 to #22 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Nah, Turkey is pretty safe. They've got NATO at their back and will continue to have it as long as Turkey can defend their actions by saying the Russians violated their airspace and such.
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User avatar #74 to #49 - obanesforever (11/25/2015) [-]
I'm not sure NATO really has Turkey's back. I know the US does, but the rest of Europe might not be so willing.
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#82 to #74 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
NATO might not have a choice.

If the **** hits the fan between Turkey and Russia, Turkey could theoretically invoke Article V of the NATO Charter. Basically an attack on any one NATO member is taken as an attack on all of them, and the other 27 member states go to war. That's not something anybody wants, at least 5 NATO members are nuclear-capable, including the US which still doesn't get along with Russia very well since like, ever.
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#348 to #82 - astafarianp (11/25/2015) [-]
Article 5 only applies if they determine it to be a defensive action. Offensive actions aren't covered by NATO for good reason. If it's determined Turkey shot down the Russian jet unprovoked then NATO has no obligation to defend them. That said Russia won't actually declare war. They could probably take on Turkey by themselves but it'd be a long hard war since Turkey has a pretty respectable military. But the possibility of NATO getting involved will ensure they don't actually open up hostilities. NATO might be a *********** alliance but Russia could never beat the entirety of NATO in a conventional war.
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#307 to #82 - jasir (11/25/2015) [-]
NATO has choice. Turkey did not follow rules of engagement of unidentified aircraft.
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User avatar #182 to #82 - Haentar ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Can't article V just be ignored because it's crazy?
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#264 to #182 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
"Yeah, why don't we just ignore part of a binding treaty we signed?"
Because that's retarded, and no one will ever sign agreements with you again.
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User avatar #191 to #182 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah if everyone thinks that Turkey is in the wrong and should eat **** , they won't defend Turkey, it's that simple really. They all get together, they decide that Turkey ****** up and they don't want to defend Turkey, what's Turkey gonna do? Cry about it? Complain to Isis that Isis enemies backed out of their agreement? Actually Turkey would be forced to ask Isis for help and join their ranks, then Turkey would definitely be done for.
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#358 to #191 - astafarianp (11/25/2015) [-]
I feel like ISIS could do little to nothing to help Turkey. The Turks are also perfectly capable of defending themselves. Largest Army in the Middle East and 2nd Largest in NATO. Idk much about Turkey's navy but i do know the Russian Black Sea fleet is a joke. Not too mention the Russian military is good but weighed down by terrible logistics. They still use Railroad for most of their movement.
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#392 to #358 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Turks get together and butt **** each other
They're notorious homos
Big army of homo sexuals

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User avatar #76 to #74 - crazyeyedbioll (11/25/2015) [-]
US is plenty to have at back for something. Though I dont want ww3
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#195 to #76 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Don't know why you're getting thumbed down, you're not wrong. The US military is far more capable than the Russians, and the only way the Russians would really have a strong chance of "winning" a war is if the US were to invade Russia, which is unrealistic and not likely to be a part of US strategy in the event of a war.
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User avatar #407 to #74 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
European nations will defend Turkey because they need NATO. They can't abandon one of the member states or the idea of NATO is dead, which would be bad for all.

Anyway, article 5 is legally binding.
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#232 to #49 - konz (11/25/2015) [-]
If the Russian jet was shot down outside Turkish borders (ie inside Syria) if is considered and act of aggression and not covered under NATO articles. If the Russian jet was shot down inside Turkey, then NATO members would be required to defend Turkey.
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User avatar #406 to #232 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Depends, as long as it entered Turkish airspace in the first place Turkey can shoot it down, even over Syria. And no, NATO is not obliged to help unless Turkey is attacked, which they were not, and only then if Turkey calls for aid.
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#388 to #49 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
ARE YOU WILLING TO DIE FOR SOME ******* TURKISH FAGETS ????

NOBODY I KNOW IS
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User avatar #405 to #388 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Russia doesn't dare fight Ukraine head on, you really think they're going to challenge NATO, the most powerful military alliance in human history?
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#277 to #22 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
"In Russian thanksgiving, Turkey shoots you!"


Besides Turkey being apart of NATO, Russia and Turkey are both big time trading partners. When the Russians intervened in eastern Ukraine, Turkey was one of the few NATO countries that did not impose sanctions. The two countries are pretty reliant on eachother. Then again so were the U.S. and Japan pre ww2.
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#1 - funnyhard (11/24/2015) [-]
Is Turkey really that dense?
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#55 to #1 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
>Pilot warned 10 times
>Refuses to change direction
>Is turkey is really that dense?
Are you really that retarded?
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#80 to #55 - thrifty (11/25/2015) [-]
***** that radio operater must have been BLOWING UP THE RADIO with warning to get 5 in for each one minute, 1.7mile pass.

Jesus Christ, I mean I'm not going for sides here but that's ******* contrived.
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#217 to #80 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
"If [your pilots] forget where the borders are, we'll help them 'land.'" [Soviet, 1960s]
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#90 to #80 - minibeep (11/25/2015) [-]
thats like 10 secons of flight time.
more than enough time to drop nukes on all maoyr city in the middle east XDXD
turkey acted in self defens ok
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#324 to #80 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
******* christ man
- the airspace is monitored continually
- Turkey sees what route a jet is taking (while its not already violating sovereign rights)
- Turkey warns the jet to change course (while its not already violating sovereign rights)
- Jet doesn't change course (while its not already violating sovereign rights)
- Jet gets warned 8 times more (while its not already violating sovereign rights)
- Jet enters turkish airspace
- Turkey warns a last time
- Jet doesn't change course
- Turkey shoots it down

It's not like you are only allowed to warn someone when they are already commiting the violation. That'd make the warning pretty ******* useless.
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#339 to #324 - thrifty (11/25/2015) [-]
-Countries not at war with each other
-Countries ostensibly in an alliance against an aggressor, although not officially
-Border area in question landlocked
-Airspace not designated 'no-fly' zone.
-Shoot down a military craft returning from a sortie your radar system mapped, after below 120 seconds of incursion into airspace.


GG Turkistan, NO RE. No I wouldn't like garlic sauce with that.
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#365 to #339 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
> Implying it needs a no-fly-zone or a to make it unacceptable for foreign warplanes to tresspass national airspace as they please
> Implying Turkey didn't warn Russia in the past months again and again because similar violations happened on a regular basis

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#436 to #365 - gerfox (11/25/2015) [-]
Dont know why you are getting down-voted. This was bound to happen sooner or later. Russia regularly violates the air space of their neighbors. In Norway the air force has regularly to take to the skies, and "escort" Russian fighters when they violate Norwegian borders - and so they also do with their other neighbors.

Just two days ago Russia flew into Norwegian air space with long-distance bombers on their way to Syria, they then proceded to fly to Iceland - around Great Britain, and in the Straits of Gibraltar. For a mission in Syria. This is what they do as a show of force, and sooner or later this was bound to happen.

However, this'll get no consequences though - maybe some minor economic repurcussions for Turkey, and a bit of a dent in Turko-Russian relations, but no more really.
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#61 to #55 - funnyhard (11/25/2015) [-]
Good one, anon! How can Turkey warn a plane that's far away from threatening ISIS-supporting Turkey 10 times (claiming in 5 min.) when it only needed max 15 seconds to overfly that tiny piece of Turkey (if it overflew it at all)? Geez, didn't know Turkey can also claim Syrian territory as its own but thank God there are faggots like you who know what's up by watching CNN and Fox news. After attacking a Russian plane, Turkey-cowards ran to organize a NATO-meeting instead of contacting Russia. So sorry that the US couldn't bring peace/democracy/freedom to Syria like they did in Afghanistan (currently Taliban control more territory than before the US-invasion), Iraq (same mess as Syria after US-attacks), Libya (oh boy, Qaddafi didn't want to participate in the mighty $-game, ***** needed to go),
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#92 to #61 - hamplanet (11/25/2015) [-]
It's not that long ago that Erdogan stated "You can't shoot down a jet just for a couple of seconds in the wrong airspace", and now, they shot down a russian fighter for mere 17 (!) seconds in turikish airspace. What's more: The fighter was shot down when it was already back in syrian airspace.
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User avatar #301 to #92 - neokun ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
I'm not doubting you, since I have proof at all. But can you give sources about the 17 seconds part?
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User avatar #312 to #301 - mullacllahdoow ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
The aircraft has a max speed of around 800MpH according to the manufacturers website www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su24mk/lth/ That would translate to around 7 seconds to cover 1.7 miles on the ground at max speed at the aircrafts service ceiling. so 14 seconds for 2 passes.

I very much doubt that the aircraft was at max speed or at it's service ceiling but I cannot find any source that specifically states the time it supposedly spent in Turkish airspace.
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#444 to #312 - hamplanet (11/26/2015) [-]
17 seconds is what was stated in multiple german news papers like Spiegel and Die Welt
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#161 to #61 - thesen (11/25/2015) [-]
this needs more thumbs ..
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#245 to #61 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah, because Russia fixed up Afghanistan so well. Remember how much they helped Eastern Europe? All those terrifying Hungarian children, throwing soap and jelly in the street to stop Russian tanks, were rightfully slaughtered for their transgressions.
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User avatar #427 to #61 - kinginthenorthh ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
On top of that, they shot the ******* pilots after they safely ejected!
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User avatar #179 to #61 - legaljoshj (11/25/2015) [-]
Um, I may be wrong but Im pretty sure the Taliban controlled all of Afghanistan before US invasion as it was the governing body of the country.
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#249 to #179 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah, he made that up. The Taliban controlled all of Afghan except for very small portions prior to the American invasion. Now they control a tiny portion. He probably looked at a map that showed where they've been active, which is not the same as controlling.
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#186 to #61 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
I don't necessarily disagree, but I fail to see how Russia in Syria is significantly different from America everywhere else. As heavy-handed as Russia is, they're bound to **** up a lot of things over there.
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#389 to #61 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Well actually you're wrong about the taliban controlling more now, as they controlled almost the entire country as the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan until 2001,controlling all but a little in the north held by the Northern Alliance
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#327 to #61 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
1. say stupid **** as anon
2. log in
3. blah blah blah u r wrong anon
4. ????
5. profit
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User avatar #148 to #55 - elcreepo (11/25/2015) [-]
Well one, they shot it down in Syrian airspace, and two

It was in that tiny piece of airspace for 15 seconds, not five minutes, there's no ******* way they could have warned it ten times, maybe once and then BAM because it continued en route to syria.

This was quite literally the most retarded think the Turks have done since they tried to invade Austria.
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User avatar #157 to #148 - thesecretbear (11/25/2015) [-]
To be fair, one of their previous experiences with Austrian troops involved them attacking themselves. So maybe that had some influence on the decision.
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#273 to #148 - hurzg (11/25/2015) [-]
The warning is 'you are approaching to Turkish airspace, change your direction to south'. Not 'oh look you are in our air space, we're coming to get you'.
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User avatar #227 to #148 - lotengo (11/25/2015) [-]
Also, it was taken down with a sidewinder.
Thats not a weapon that can be used from the ground, this was a plane vs plane thing.

And evn when on standby it takes about 5 minutes to get an F-16 in the air
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User avatar #340 to #55 - blackmageewizardt (11/25/2015) [-]
how can you be warned 10 times when you fly through 1.15 miles of land/17 seconds? anon ******* reatrd
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User avatar #212 to #55 - lotengo (11/25/2015) [-]
Found the turkadurkamuslim

Ur just Mad because Putin is going to kill your entire family
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User avatar #163 to #1 - xichaosreaperix ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Only when it isn't cooked properly.
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User avatar #18 to #1 - newdevyx (11/25/2015) [-]
Turkey had put the place as a no-fly zone I believe. Though they aid the ISIS
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User avatar #286 to #18 - elcreepo (11/25/2015) [-]
Exactly why NATO should just drop their ass, but no, people seem to think that a piece of paper speaks louder than actions...
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User avatar #91 to #18 - wedgie (11/25/2015) [-]
off-topic, do you have a bigger version of your icon?
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#181 to #91 - newdevyx (11/25/2015) [-]
This is what i have.
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#4 to #1 - donfailed ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
I heard somewhere that they shot at the pilot who ejected and killed him. If it's true, that's a direct violation of the Geneva Convention to boot. Oh course, they couldn't possibly be that du-

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates
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#10 to #4 - ninjaflapjack ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
apparently the pilots got shot at by a rebel group called turkmen - not by the turkish government thankfully.
You need to login to view this link
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34910389
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User avatar #31 to #10 - pirateseatcarrots (11/25/2015) [-]
Turkmen rebels are supported by Turkey
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User avatar #37 to #31 - KillinTime (11/25/2015) [-]
Osama bin laden supported by U.S.
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User avatar #39 to #38 - KillinTime (11/25/2015) [-]
I wasn't debating that turkey aided the rebels, I'm saying you're not exactly in a position to talk after inadvertently funding terrorism against your own country.
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User avatar #40 to #39 - pirateseatcarrots (11/25/2015) [-]
But....I'm Yemeni
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User avatar #41 to #40 - KillinTime (11/25/2015) [-]
fair enough then.
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User avatar #47 to #41 - threeeighteen ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
That, and even if they were American. They're American not America.
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User avatar #295 to #40 - congorepublic (11/25/2015) [-]
Where in Yemen are you from? North or South?

I'm from Yafea
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User avatar #313 to #295 - pirateseatcarrots (11/25/2015) [-]
North,Sanaa
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User avatar #314 to #313 - congorepublic (11/25/2015) [-]
Don't be a dih-bashii
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User avatar #316 to #315 - congorepublic (11/25/2015) [-]
Btw are you muslim
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User avatar #318 to #317 - congorepublic (11/25/2015) [-]
Who do you support in the Yemeni Civil War
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User avatar #319 to #318 - pirateseatcarrots (11/25/2015) [-]
Too much of a cluster **** to say whose who...but I can of sorta owe the houthis for saving my uncle's life plus their aren't any other anti-American groups that won't behead me for being Zaydi so...
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User avatar #320 to #319 - congorepublic (11/25/2015) [-]
The Houthis took my uncle's life. He was in his house in Aden when they killed him. I can never forgive those monsters.
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User avatar #323 to #320 - pirateseatcarrots (11/25/2015) [-]
Guess we're all monsters in the middle east...never thought I'd say this but I miss Salehs days. He was a massive thieving ******* but at least we had electricity and running water. Anyway you still in Yemen?
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User avatar #328 to #323 - congorepublic (11/25/2015) [-]
No. My family and I fled Yemen in 2002-2003. ****** year to leave, because we went to (and still live in NYC), just two years after 9/11.

If you ask me, I miss the days when Yemen was split between North and South. Socialist South Yemen was the good life.
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User avatar #330 to #328 - pirateseatcarrots (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah the South should've waited for a few more years the economy was too weak and was easy for Saleh and his scumbags to take advantage of the South. Anyway best of luck to you hope this **** gets over with soon.
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#72 to #39 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
You are the most autistic child in your class right?
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User avatar #73 to #72 - KillinTime (11/25/2015) [-]
detecting a little bit of salt from you.
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User avatar #77 to #10 - alimais (11/25/2015) [-]
the second pilot was recently rescued by the Syrian Arab Army and Spetznaz

he said in a interview that he wasn't warned
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User avatar #311 to #77 - soldiertwo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
was he from the chopper?
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User avatar #431 to #10 - funjun (11/25/2015) [-]
Turkmen aren't a rebel group they're an ethnicity, some of whom have started their own rebel brigades, but many of the members in these brigades aren't actually ethnic Turkmen but ethnic Turks
www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3u6im0/the_turkmen_commander_alparslan_%C3%A7elik_who_shot_at/
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User avatar #23 to #4 - upunkpunk ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
There's videos of the "moderate" "rebel" Turkmen groups that Turkey vocally supports shooting at him and yelling ALLAHU ACKBER! TAKBIR! while he is parachuting down.

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#53 to #23 - hurzg (11/25/2015) [-]
Because Russians were bombing them. They bomb everyone who is not Assad.
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#134 to #53 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah damn those Russians for bombing the terrorists, oops I mean western backed moderate rebels.
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#174 to #53 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
They shouted allahu akbar because russia attacks them?
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#79 to #4 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Geneva convention, lol that's ******* funny. You heard of Guantanamo?
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#193 to #79 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
While I certainly don't condone torture or detainment of anyone without due process, etc. . . Guantanamo is unquestionably not a violation of international treaties regarding the laws of war, simply because it's not an actual war. They are not uniformed, regular combatants fighting for a country that can be recognized as signatory to any such treaties.
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#260 to #79 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Technically, nothing about Guantanamo was in violation of the Geneva Conventions, as those abused were not uniformed combatants of a signatory nation.
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#3 - anon (11/24/2015) [-]
from what i read (not sure if everything is true) russia had two violations on fighters in turkish area and turkey said they should be careful because unannounced fighter jets inside turkish area pose a threat.

This particular fighter jet pilot had been warned (multiple times) atleast 13km distant from the turkish border and then you know what happened.

IMHO turkey is an asshole for shooting down the fighter jet but russia is an even bigger asshole for aggressivly going over the line after they have been told that this might be the consequence if such violation happens again
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#408 to #3 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
THIS
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User avatar #5 to #3 - phawsy (11/25/2015) [-]
The turkish forces also killed the pilots as they were parachuting from the destroyed plane, its one thing to destroy an illegally flying plane but its another to shoot people in cold blood
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User avatar #20 to #17 - greyhoundfd ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Which Turkey continues to defend even after their actions.
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#25 to #20 - reginleif ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
**reginleif used "*roll picture*"**
**reginleif rolled image** :/ Russia really is in no position to talk about rebels shooting down aircraft.
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User avatar #250 to #25 - mvtjets (11/25/2015) [-]
You still use that stupid emoticon outside of the board
justwhy
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User avatar #256 to #250 - reginleif ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
:/
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User avatar #257 to #256 - mvtjets (11/25/2015) [-]
you're supposed to use it after the sentence too btw
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User avatar #284 to #257 - thetaxman (11/25/2015) [-]
mvtjets this isn't your conversation to jump into
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User avatar #287 to #284 - mvtjets (11/25/2015) [-]
Spying on my profile is extremely offensive, I could file a lawsuit for stalking me. I bet you like stalking women when they're too strong for you, huh? Check your male privilege
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User avatar #294 to #287 - thetaxman (11/25/2015) [-]
Does this look like a game to you?
No, really, is it a game?
I need to know so I can be sure it has some top notch ethics
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User avatar #297 to #294 - mvtjets (11/25/2015) [-]
Maybe if you stopped belittling the feminist movement and making these stupid ******* jokes game would actually be the slightest bit ethical. But no, all we get are male empowering women shaming piles of virtual garbage. Is this want you want? I hope you're ******* happy.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/10/teenage-boys-sexist-video-games

Female stereotypes hurt our society, maybe you'd actually read up on this if you could ******* read, you sand eating *********** .
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User avatar #306 to #297 - thetaxman (11/25/2015) [-]
That's a good point. I agree with you.
Thanks for showing me the way.
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#30 to #20 - stevecons (11/25/2015) [-]
I mean if we're gonna be mad at people people for supporting people. Russias backing a dictator who used chemical weapons and killed a huge amount of civilians.
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User avatar #93 to #30 - wotlqq ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Asad never used chemical weapons the rebels staged the use of chemical weapons because Barac Obama said if Asad would use them he would sent troops. It was an false flag attack and even independent investigations showed that the rebels did it
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#211 to #93 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Just because he's not the worst guy involved in the conflict and he might even be the best, I haven't followed closely enough to say does not mean that he's a good guy who is deserving of support.

That said, I'd say that his regime should win and he should resign peacefully to allow a better candidate to assume his position, because violent revolutions almost invariably fail to install a new, stable government. As such, it's better to fix what's there, than to tear it down and start anew.
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#352 to #211 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
He still did not use Sarin gas on his own people. In fact, suspicions are arising that at least individuals inside Turkey have been supplying chemicals for al-Nusra's gas production.
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User avatar #291 to #211 - wotlqq ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
The problem is the rebels are a far more worse choice (once they take Assad out they will fight each other about who will be the next leader which will destabilize the whole country and lead to more war and more deaths) and they allready get support from the West, supporting Assad just makes it more fair. Furthermore You are right the best would be if Assad wins and they can hold new elections. My only concern is they will get riged
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#209 to #93 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Thanks /pol/
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User avatar #24 to #17 - upunkpunk ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Which Turkey supports and gives weapons to.
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User avatar #75 to #5 - teratorn (11/25/2015) [-]
It was not turkish forces that shot at the parachuting pilots.
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#35 to #5 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
to my knowledge they also shot down the rescue helicopters as well
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User avatar #33 to #5 - enlightednatzie (11/25/2015) [-]
Every sane person would do that.
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#28 to #3 - roarflmao ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Swefag here, russians are always ******* around in our airspace and waters, the russian army it seems are trying to provoke a counter attack or just trying to learn our defenses from the reactions. Either way **** russia
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User avatar #226 to #28 - roadrager (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah. Britbong here and every now and again Russia flys a plane just outside or just in our airspace and it has to be escorted away. A Russian submarine turned up near Scotland earlier this week
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User avatar #194 to #28 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
"Swefag" do you mean Sweden? The pussy country whose women are getting raped my Muslims while their husbands watch in fear, can't say anything or else they'll be labeled as a racist and sentenced to life in prison? You think Russia gives a **** ? If Europe didn't have the US as an ally, Russia would bend over every single European country on their way to France.
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#206 to #194 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
What, with the aging military and near bankrupt economy?

Yeah sure. Russia's military strategy has always relied on 'dying more than the enemy and running away into the snow.'
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User avatar #213 to #206 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
God damn, European education must be really poor. How do you not know the Russia and China are allies?
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#229 to #213 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Great. More meat for the grinder.
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#200 to #194 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
kek, Russia doesn't have the infrastructure to take their military anywhere that isn't on their borders. France and the UK would easily be able to crush a country without the logistical capacity to wage such a major war. The difference is that the US could do it even more easily, not that the US is the only one that can do it at all. The Russian military is large and their equipment is outdated, meaning that it requires a lot more men, equipment, and supplies to accomplish the same the thing that modern militaries can do.
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User avatar #210 to #200 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
Here's what you didn't consider, Russia has allies. You're combing all the European countries and comparing them to Russia when you need to be comparing them to Russia and China. Now go ahead and restart your argument because your 1st one was so god damn retarded. Think a little bit you ******* . Tell me how well the European countries would do against Russia/China allies.
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#216 to #210 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
China's military infrastructure is even worse than Russia's. China's military exists to keep its own people in check, they don't have a chance of winning a war away from their own borders. Hell, they wouldn't be able win a war just crossing the sea of Japan, let alone all of Russia.
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User avatar #220 to #216 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
You think Europe's military is good? Shut the **** up. China and Russia's military seem sub bar when compared to the US you ******* idiot. China and Russia's military seem ******* amazing when compared to what EU has.
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#236 to #220 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
You know that size isn't the only thing that matters, right? In fact, their size is their biggest weakness. Neither side in this (theoretical) conflict has sufficient force projection ability to sustain an invasion against the other. Therefore, the defender has a huge advantage in their ability to maintain their supply lines, while the attacker will have to rely largely on scavenged supplies to supplement their own. If the Europeans can stall the Sino-Russo advance, it'll collapse under the need to feed the armies involved.
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User avatar #241 to #236 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
Finally a good argument that I can respect. You don't think that Russia + allies could get through a wall line the European countries can hold down together. I think that they can because they could attack Europe from a sea angle instead of the land angle.
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#258 to #241 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Out of the question, the Chinese Navy is in the Pacific, while the European navies/air forces would destroy the Russian Navy with ease. Besides that, amphibious invasions are nightmarish to supply. It took years for the Western Allies to finally be prepared to launch the invasion of France, and even then it was a close-run thing that could have gone either way until a definitive foothold was established, and that one involved the US military, which is and was unquestionably better at handling the logistics of such an operation than any military that has ever existed it's not really that special, it's simply by necessity, because no matter where we're operating, there is at least an entire ocean between us and the war .

Besides that, as close as they may be, it's unlikely that China would support Russia in a war because, while they may benefit from their relationship with Russia, they depend upon their relationship with the West. Their economy will collapse if they lose those markets.
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User avatar #268 to #258 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
With the US staying neutral in this war, China doesn't have to worry about that last bit as much. The Chinese Navy would have to work together with the Russian Navy and discuss their positioning around Europe. If you use the argument that China might not support Russia in this war, the same argument could be used to say that Germany and the UK won't help the Eastern European countries defend against Russia.
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#300 to #268 - telfyr (11/25/2015) [-]
Just because the US is staying neutral doesn't mean they'll support china's actions to pursue global domination...
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User avatar #303 to #300 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
Yes, we know that the US would defend the **** out of Europe, the point of this hypothetical scenario of the US staying out of it was to show how much Europe depends on the US as an ally for their defense.
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#305 to #303 - telfyr (11/25/2015) [-]
I'm holding true to the US not defending Europe, I'm speaking of trade sanctions against China
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User avatar #309 to #305 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
The US cutting off trade with China hurts them as well. If the US doesn't have an obligation to help Europe defend against China, there would be no reason for the US to cut off trade with China and make themselves weaker just to weaken China in the process.
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#231 to #220 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Looks like Putin has a better ******* spin doctor than Goebbels.
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#223 to #194 - therealsupanova (11/25/2015) [-]
population of the EU: 502 million

population of Russia: 143.5 million

Lol Germany could work the Russians by themselves. The only reason anyone gives half a **** about the Russian military is because of their sadistic reliance on nuclear weapons since that has been their only hope to stay internationally relevant since the early 90's
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User avatar #237 to #223 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
So here's how war works. You have Russia and their allies and then you have all the European countries that Russia wants to attack plus the countries that are allied with the European countries under attack. For this hypothetical scenario, we're removing 1 of Europe's biggest ally, the US. Why don't you try your argument 1 more time except this time you have the knowledge that Russia has allies and 1 of them is China.
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#255 to #237 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
'Hey China, want to help us invade the world?'
'Why would we need you? We don't want to rule over the non-Chinese'
'Oh, guess our alliance is for other reasons then?'
'Yes. obviously. Anyone that has even vaguely studied politics knows this.'
'Hmm true. I guess this guy is just full of **** and thinks that the military is all that counts in global politics.'
'Haha yes, he is a complete retard.'
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User avatar #269 to #255 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
Maybe you missed the part about this being a hypothetical scenario? If we wanted to talk about reality, the US would defend the **** out of Europe and all Europe would have to do is send a text to the US like "hey babe, come over for some Netflix and chill."
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#283 to #269 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
If you have to exclude key features of a system to make your analysis of it correct then guess what?

You're wrong.

'Hey guys, you say the US could beat Japan but what if Japan had Godzilla and mech robots? HA EXACTLY IM RIGHT!'
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User avatar #285 to #283 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
I thought I was very clear that the European countries being invaded had allies. I wasn't clear that Russia has allies as well, that was my mistake but I corrected it and really it should have been implied from the very beginning. Now, the only key feature that I changed in this was that the US would not defend Europe. That was my main point and everyone knew that was the whole reason for the debate. So I'm not knitpicking and changing the rules, the point of this was to show people how weak European countries are alone, how poorly European countries work together, and most importantly, how much European countries depend on having US as an ally.
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#251 to #237 - therealsupanova (11/25/2015) [-]
Russia doesn't have allies, and China will not side with the Russians militarily. But if you insist on relying on the Chinese then we can play through that scenario.

So the Russian and Chinese navy combined aren't even the size of the U.S.'s alone. So thats a non-issue. The USAF and the USN each have an air force larger than Russia's and China's, so again,a non-issue. China has no power projection, nor does Russia. Their doctrine is design to quickly win a war withing 300 miles of their borders. The U.S. basically wrote the book on power projection. There is no conventional scenario where Russo-Chinese tech and capabilities beats the west, regardless of how many bodies you throw at it. Beyond all that, all the EU has to do is stop buying Russian gas, and the U.S. stops importing Chinese **** , and all of a sudden China faces economic collapse (like russia currently is). GG
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User avatar #259 to #251 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
Maybe you missed the part about the US not being Europe's ally anymore in this scenario? Of course Europe could easily win with US' help. Russian and Chinese Navy combined might not compare to the US but they definitely compare to what Europe's got.
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#262 to #259 - therealsupanova (11/25/2015) [-]
What ******* universe do you live in where China somehow sides with Russia but the U.S. doesn't side with EU.
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User avatar #275 to #262 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
The universe where EU doesn't have the US as an ally, China and Russia would have a huge chance to take over the region. My point with this scenario wasn't to start an imaginary fight between Europe vs Russia/China, it was to show how much of Europe's defense depends on the US. European countries on their own are weak in comparison and realistically they can't all agree with each other so when they decide to work together they're not as strong as they could be.
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User avatar #219 to #194 - envinite (11/25/2015) [-]
LE SWEDE ISLAM FAG XDD

Mixing reality with internet memes will only make you sounds like an uneducated 12 year old with internet access.
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User avatar #230 to #219 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
www.frontpagemag.com/point/175434/1-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-sexual-assaults-daniel-greenfield

I'm not sure why you thought I wasn't being serious. The "swefag" question was refering to roarflmao using the term and I wasn't 100% sure if he meant Sweden or not. Sweden is definitely bending over to Muslims and taking it raw. Also Sweden's military and defense is nonexistant when compared to Russia, Sweden's best defense is being allied with the US.
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User avatar #190 to #28 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
"to learn our defenses"
you are making **** up now.
its not like one nation is hiding surreal plasma guns or whatever.
they know how their defense works...the same way every other does.
and what would they even need the information for? to do what?
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#63 to #3 - yourinvisiblegf ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
russia jet = red line
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User avatar #187 to #63 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
thats the map turkey showed. according to a german pilot you would need about 20 seconds for that distance. they warned the pilot 10 times for no reason, because most of the time he wasnt in turkey.
thats the first thing.
the other thing is, that the rebels claimed to have shot the pilots down after they saved themselves with their ejection seats.
then again, turkey is a nato nation. they cant do that. no other nato nation would have done that.
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#298 to #187 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
First of all, you are a faggot.
Second, they warned the pilots that they are approaching the Turkey border and that they have to change course(or w/e it is called), they didn't so they got shot down, it doesn't matter if it is 20 seconds or 2 minutes or 1 hour, they went into another country with military aircraft.
Third, you are a faggot.
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User avatar #302 to #298 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
it matters. they joined the nato, they have to act accordingly.
10 secs is no reason. 10 secs is not even enough to realize they crossed the border. how do you think that works? realizing it and giving the command to shoot a rocket...in 10 seconds?
they shot the jet in syrian territory.
then they shot the pilots ****** DEEP IN SYRIAN TERRITORY.
there is nothing to discuss.
ofc it was rebels shooting them....but erdogan later openly justified shooting the pilots.
rebels were screaming "allahu akbar".
what more do you want?
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#310 to #302 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
"it matters. they joined the nato, they have to act accordingly. " - they did, they defended their boarders against unknown country's military aircrafts.
"10 secs is no reason. 10 secs is not even enough to realize they crossed the border." - There are such things known as radars.
"how do you think that works? realizing it and giving the command to shoot a rocket...in 10 seconds?" - "Pilots, fly closer to our borders and check that those planes our radars picked up few minutes ago doesn't violate our borders if they do, shoot them down"
"they shot the jet in syrian territory." - the jet was in Syrian territory when the rocket finally hit
"then they shot the pilots ****** DEEP IN SYRIAN TERRITORY. " - No, those were the locals.
"there is nothing to discuss." - Listen and believe, eh? Feminazi tactics?
"ofc it was rebels shooting them....but erdogan later openly justified shooting the pilots. " - link
"rebels were screaming "allahu akbar". " - so? They might have been thankful to the god that they can shoot the guys bombing them.
"what more do you want?" - for you to stop being such a massive faggot and putin's cocksucker?
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User avatar #326 to #310 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
also see #57
he knows stuff.
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User avatar #355 to #326 - yourinvisiblegf ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
>>#57
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User avatar #357 to #355 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
dont get it...how do you do that?
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User avatar #356 to #355 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
>>#57
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User avatar #359 to #356 - yourinvisiblegf ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
just type the >>
forget the #
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User avatar #362 to #360 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
thanks m8
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User avatar #322 to #310 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
you cant prove they shot the rockets while in turkey, but thats not even necessary
they can shoot even after they crossed the border again, meaning while in syria
but they cant go and shoot the pilots in syria when the threat was obviously eliminated

being in the nato has to do exaclty nothing with defending ones borders.
allahu akbar screaming, recording and releasing it is an obvious provocation. allahu akbar in these times gives a clear message and they know that. i could do that stupid rationalizing ******** with screaming "heil hitler" too. but the message is more than clear. and its clearly not that im wishing my neighbor named "hitler" to be well and healthy.

even the german news are with russia right now. they usually never are. erdogan tries to tell his people his country is being looked down at by everyone, to make his own people angry at whoever he wants to provoke.
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#331 to #322 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
"you cant prove they shot the rockets while in turkey" - Neither can you prove that they didnt
", but thats not even necessary they can shoot even after they crossed the border again, meaning while in syria
but they cant go and shoot the pilots in syria when the threat was obviously eliminated " - It just violated the borders(i have been writing "boarders" as an retard), didn't answer to warnings and might still attack.

"being in the nato has to do exaclty nothing with defending ones borders." - defending its members is the main point. - NATO’s essential purpose is to safeguard the freedom and security of its members through political and military means. Taken from Nato's homepage so you just went full retard.
"allahu akbar screaming, recording and releasing it is an obvious provocation. allahu akbar in these times gives a clear message and they know that. i could do that stupid rationalizing ******** with screaming "heil hitler" too. but the message is more than clear. and its clearly not that im wishing my neighbor named "hitler" to be well and healthy. " - Ok, what you would have screamed to express - "Hail/Thank the god that those Russians have fallen"?

"even the german news are with russia right now. they usually never are." - Links. "erdogan tries to tell his people his country is being looked down at by everyone, to make his own people angry at whoever he wants to provoke." - They were being looked down at by Russia.
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User avatar #333 to #331 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
your first sentence
i said it doesnt matter either way. get it?

im too lazy to get sources and whatever, since i have stuff to do. its just my opinion, if you dont like it, i dont give a **** .

see #57 again since he made way more of an effort than me.
look for sources yourself, then you wouldnt be on turkeys side. its as easy as that.
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#438 to #333 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Sorry, i just noticed that you are a retard that thinks that Turkey shot the actual pilots. If i had noticed that earlier, i wouldn't have bothered talking with you since you are too stupid to even understand difference between Turkey and Turkmens/Turkomans.
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User avatar #449 to #438 - drpenguinz (11/26/2015) [-]
i said rebels did
i said erdogan openly justified it
learn to read
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#450 to #449 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/26/2015) [-]
No, you just said that Turkey did that. Big difference.
"you cant prove they shot the rockets while in turkey, but thats not even necessary
they can shoot even after they crossed the border again, meaning while in syria
but they cant go and shoot the pilots in syria when the threat was obviously eliminated "
You are talking about Turkey when you say "they".
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User avatar #451 to #450 - drpenguinz (11/26/2015) [-]
turkish jets shot rockets
rebels killed pilots
sorry, this cant go on, im blocking you
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#337 to #333 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
So basically you can't prove anything and so are backing away as fast as possible. k.
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User avatar #338 to #337 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
exaclty
i have an opinion
sorry
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#342 to #338 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
And you won't even defend your opinion? So ******* weak.
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User avatar #343 to #342 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
no i wont since you didnt offer a single source to legitimate your opinions as well.
but you call me out for it.
so i dont give a **** .
: )
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#344 to #343 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
So you are saying that there was no border violation? That is the only thing i have to provide source for.
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User avatar #345 to #344 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
there was
and turkey overreacted
read that accident on several different news sites, they all kinda blame turkey for it, but whatever... youuu think they didnt overreact so it must be true i guess.
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#347 to #345 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
"read that accident on several different news sites, they all kinda blame turkey for it, but whatever... youuu think they didnt overreact so it must be true i guess." - I care about news why? Journalism has become kinda of a joke. Never mentioned if i consider it overreacting or not so you are making that **** up. But Turkey wasn't wrong in shooting down a military aircraft violating its borders and i would say the same thing about any country who did the same.
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User avatar #349 to #347 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
>but turkey wasnt wrong
>not saying they didnt overreact
you know how words work?
either they did overract and it was wrong.
or they didnt overreact and it wasnt wrong.
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#351 to #349 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Turkey acted according to law so they weren't wrong.
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User avatar #354 to #351 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
well yes...thats indeed turkeys opinion.
shooting pilots in syria (not their jet, the pilots themselves) wasnt according to the law. it was then syrias **** to deal with. not turkeys. how is that so hard to get?
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#369 to #354 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Reply limit reached.

" its just naturally that crossing that little stump there would happen and expected to be tolerated." - no. Borders are there for reason.
"since (watch the ****** news i wont offer source unless you want a german video) turkey activily supported isis over the past years. " - how did Turkey support ISIS?
"who is wrong and who is right is obvious." - the one violating the borders is wrong.
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User avatar #375 to #369 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
second one.
you wanna know? really? watch the ****** news. what do you expect from me? to google **** for you? be your little news-bitch? look it up for yourself.
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#361 to #354 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
well yes...thats indeed turkeys opinion." - that isn't an opinion. Countries have right to defend themselves and defending their borders is crucial in that. Unless you want to say that NATO can now fly around Moscow with their aircraft.
Why the **** are you mentioning pilots getting shot? Did Turkey did it? No. how is that so hard to get?
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User avatar #366 to #361 - drpenguinz (11/25/2015) [-]
russia was fighting rebels/isis-fags near the border. its just naturally that crossing that little stump there would happen and expected to be tolerated. russia didnt seem to try to provoke turkey in any way. thats what russia says and thats what i think to be true.
since (watch the ****** news i wont offer source unless you want a german video) turkey activily supported isis over the past years.
who is wrong and who is right is obvious.
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#404 to #302 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
You would stand in the way of a giant boulder because you wouldn't be able to realize which path it takes right?
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#57 to #3 - widar (11/25/2015) [-]
Well, even the Turkish map of the supposed flight path of the jet shows that it crossed only a ~1km stretch of Turkish territory. How they would warn the pilot before even entering Turkish airspace I don't know. He's perfectly within his rights to fly around in Syria (actually, the Russians are the only foreign airforce which isn't infringing on Syria's airspace while flying there since they're the only ones with permission from the government).
In 2012, Erdogan himself said that short border violations by high-speed jets are normal and nothing to make a fuss over (probably said that because Turkey violates Greek airspace around 1500-2000 times per year). The fact that the jet was only in Turkish airspace for a few seconds and already well out of it by the time it was hit means to me that it was a planned attack that Turkey conducted because they're panicking since the Syrian army, with the aid of the Russians, are currently pushing back their precious Turkmen rebels (who are allied with al-Nusra, aka al-Qaeda) and the Turkish government is pissed that the Russians have begun targetting Islamic State oil infrastructure. This isn't some conspiracy theory, it's well known that Turkey at the very least tolerates oil trade with ISIS by Turkish businessmen.
This isn't even the clearest sign of Turkish government support for ISIS and al-Qaeda so far. The clearest incident where Turkey directly came to the aid of ISIS is when Kurdish forces wanted to cross the Euphrates in order to begin their operation to capture the last strip of border with Turkey ISIS holds in Syria and the Turkish airforce bombed the Kurdish forces to prevent their advance. They did the same in Iraq where they bombed Kurdish forces preparing to liberate Sinjar.
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#332 to #57 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
" because they're panicking since the Syrian army, with the aid of the Russians, are currently pushing back their precious Turkmen rebels " - Maybe Turkey should do what Russia has done in such situations and simply invaded Syria?
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#304 to #57 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Yes, there are no radars, no radios and certainly no way to contact the pilots. /sarcasm

You see a dog running at you and you don't take any kind of action before the moment it bites you?
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#334 to #304 - jasir (11/25/2015) [-]
You must have visual contact with the pilot and make sure the pilot knows about you.
(If you are not at war with the aircrafts state)
(If you follow rules of NATO)
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#336 to #334 - heyyoutoo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Problem is that Turkey didn't know the affiliation of the aircraft so how they know they are not at war?
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#363 to #336 - jasir (11/25/2015) [-]
Because they have no declared war going on?
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#109 to #57 - vladi ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Very informative and clarifying.
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User avatar #117 to #57 - opticmonkey (11/25/2015) [-]
Can you provide sauce for some of these facts?
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#386 to #117 - widar (11/25/2015) [-]
In no particular order:

Turkey striking Kurds trying to cross Euphrates: www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/27/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-kurds-idUSKCN0SL0SP20151027#LH21t2ReeEuSRatu.97

"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack" - Erdogan:
www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18584872

Syrian Army advances in northern Syria (specifically also around Turkmen mountains): twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/668089137585627139
(pro-SAA source, but the advance has been ongoing for ~2 weeks and is corroborated by opposition sources)

Russia targetting ISIS oil trucks and refineries:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgYbiCGYy2c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQZvNCRpdnQ

Turkey's map of the flight path:
static2.businessinsider.de/image/5654d117dd089528328b46a4-793-568/screen%20shot%202015-11-24%20at%203.35.26%20pm.png
If you look at the distance on Google Earth, it's 2,5km. Going 390 kmh (pretty much just a little faster than landing speed) it would have taken the jet 25 seconds to traverse this distance. However, the SU-24's top speed is 2300 kmh and it was in a combat zone. It is highly unlikely that it would have gone so slow. Close to a thousand kmh is more realistic. Even at just 6-700 though, the violation would have lasted around 13 seconds.

As to Turkey's support of the Turkmen, Devatoglu (Turkish PM) said today that they would not allow their "brothers" to be massacred under the pretext of fighting terrorism. The Turkmen brigades in Syria are supported by Turkish nationalists and are pretty darn islamist in nature.

Turkey tolerating ISIS oil trade:
www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/vladimir-putin-turkey-isis-terrorists-warplane-analysis
"(...) links to some aspects of Isis continued to develop. Turkish businessmen struck lucrative deals with Isis oil smugglers, adding at least $10m (£6.6m) per week to the terror group’s coffers(...)"

I hope this covers most of my post.
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#390 to #386 - widar (11/25/2015) [-]
BTW, sorry for the late reply, I was playing Fallout 4
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User avatar #426 to #390 - opticmonkey (11/25/2015) [-]
All good man, thanks for the info
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#14 - solarisofcelestia ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Bad news for you.
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User avatar #172 to #14 - alpako ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
i remember this book
that guy cant be burned, some other guy cant get his head cut off, etc.
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User avatar #16 to #14 - strigt ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
By God, it's been forever since I read The Five Chinese Brothers.
Thanks for reminding me of its existence.
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#184 - DivineInfinity ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Comment Picture
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#32 - jkaizoku ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
RussiaFW
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User avatar #43 - Airmanator (11/25/2015) [-]
The Russian have a history of close encounters like this, it was only a matter of time before one of their birds paid for it. Syrian rebels nabbed a Ruskie helo that reied to rescue the pilots apparently.

On the other hand Turkey is buying ISIS oil and stabbing the Kurds in the back.

Let both sides burn.
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User avatar #78 to #43 - bobtombobbob (11/25/2015) [-]
Well there is a reason for that.
The Kurds engage in terrorism on the same scale as ISIS, the main difference is that there are not that many Kurds in the world.
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#183 to #78 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
You mean after they were mass massacred? Or are we just gonna forgot about the Genocides for a second?
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User avatar #87 to #78 - skumbaner (11/25/2015) [-]
do you have a source that the kurds commit terrorism?
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User avatar #110 to #87 - vladi ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Pkk Kurds do. Other than them, not much.
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User avatar #242 to #222 - skumbaner (11/25/2015) [-]
Alright, the first link on the google search you provided for me states that the kurds have commited acts against ISIS that would probably count as terrorism, I can buy that.

and nah I don't really watch the news, I don't have a television

Also, you don't need to get your panties in a bunch because someone asks for a source. hihi
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#372 to #222 - astafarianp (11/25/2015) [-]
pkk is only one of the Kurdish groups. Don't even try to say them and the Peshmerga are the same groups. The fact that you think the pkk speaks for all the Kurds is pretty funny
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#46 to #43 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
russians have invaded our airspace a countless of times, sometimes our sea space (the **** you call that even in english?). last time we shot a ****** torpedo at them that was meant to scare them. russias excuse? "we dindu nuffin"
I have no sympathy for russia. it really was a matter of time until someone shot them. stupid invading cunts.
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#225 to #46 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
It's territorial waters. I'm kind of torn on this whole issue. I agree with you that Russia's had this coming for a while, they're too aggressive and blunt. But Turkey overreacted and did a great job of turning public opinion against them, making them difficult to support as well.
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#373 to #46 - astafarianp (11/25/2015) [-]
Too be fair the Turks have no room to bitch about violating airspace seeing as how they do it on a daily basis to Greece.
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#59 to #46 - kanedam ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
where are you from?
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User avatar #52 to #46 - thefallenlord (11/25/2015) [-]
I think it's called "waters" but I'm not sure
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#335 - drewjitsu (11/25/2015) [-]
That implies that the jet wasn't in Turkish airspace. This is just an example of two assholes being assholes. Russia repeatedly violating airspace and Turkey being too quick on the trigger.
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#409 to #335 - bwiedieter (11/25/2015) [-]
Even if it was in Turkish airspace, it can´t have been in there longer than a few seconds. According to reports on the German Tagesschau, the Sukhoi was, if at all, flying over a small stretch of Turkish land 2.5 km wide that is surrounded by Syria on three sides, merely traversing it while on a vector from Syria to Syria.

At the speeds they have to have been going, those 2.5 km were only seconds.
Which makes the story according to the Turkish government, that the plane was warned multiple times over the course of 10 minutes, very much improbable.

The next thing is that it has to have been abundantly clear that this plane posed no threat to Turkey. Its mission, of which the Turkish Air Force had been informed beforehand, was in Syria. The Russkies weren´t doing much more than circling round. Pending, of course, official GPS data from the place and possible black box recordings.

Lastly, shooting down an airplane is very much the last resort. Had it posed a threat and hadn´t identified itself, the next course of action would´ve been to either escort it out of Turkish airspace or force it to land.

This was wilful Friendly Fire, make no mistake. And take this from someone who would´ve been glad to go to war against Russia over the Ukraine crisis. I dislike Russia, and yet this has been the only conclusion I could come to.
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#418 to #409 - drewjitsu (11/25/2015) [-]
They said that they had warned the jet as it approached to deviate course, not that they had asked it to leave the airspace. Russia was swinging its dick around is what that amounts to (if the Turkish are being honest here). Right now, all the info i've been able to get my hands on is "he said, she said" and it really just seems like two assholes being assholes.

As I understood it, the jet had been warned to deviate course and did not comply, thus entering Turkish airspace upon which it was brought down after being within the airspace for 17 seconds.
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#420 to #418 - bwiedieter (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah you´re correct, I wrote that wrongly. they started with their warning over Syrian territory. Sorry!
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#423 to #420 - drewjitsu (11/25/2015) [-]
no worries, its all a *********** of 'he said, she said' right now anyway.
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User avatar #415 to #409 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
Thing is, if that jet was actually going to harm Turkey, those few seconds would have been their only chance to take it out before it could get close enough to bomb a city. Airspace is a super serious deal, Turkey simply can't trust Russia enough to declare war before bombing them. If Russia wanted to fight Turkey, one legitimate course of action they might take is to send a single plane that might not mean any harm over Turkey and bomb them. I don't believe that Russian plane meant harm to Turkey but I wouldn't bet my family's lives on it if I lived there and was responsible for the people.
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#417 to #415 - bwiedieter (11/25/2015) [-]
The plane was headed from Syria to Syria. It wasn´t headed to any kind of settlement on Turkish soil. And seeing that they could hit the plane multiple km inside Syrian territory, one can presume they would still have been able to hit it had it actually headed inland.
Your argument sounds very artificial and constructed, if you know what I´m trying to say.
Finally, had they meant any harm, it would´ve been multiple bombers headed straight into Turkey, not a single plane circling round.
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User avatar #419 to #417 - toosexyforyou (11/25/2015) [-]
It's just ignorant to think that Turkey's defense should just "trust" that the Russian plane isn't there to harm them. They clearly warned them and the Russian plane didn't respond. It's easy to be a civilian and say that they should've just let the plane keep going to see what they would do, and to that I say that it's a good thing you're not the one responsible for protecting anyone.
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#424 to #419 - bwiedieter (11/25/2015) [-]
Again, it wasn´t going anywhere where it could do any harm on Turkish soil, and they still could´ve shot it down had it actually changed course to somewhere it could do harm.
Presuming it was on Turkish territory at all, Russia was either swinging its dick around or the pilot was a total tool, but shooting it down was rash and unnecessary.
As long as we don´t get any reliable GPS data on the plane, we cannot presume guilt.
You say we cannot presume there was NO threat, I say we cannot presume there was a threat, not only because we have no evidence for it, but also because our current information actually tells us otherwise.
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#70 - AcidFlux (11/25/2015) [-]
I think another Turkey is going to get slaughtered for Thanksgiving.
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#71 to #70 - AcidFlux (11/25/2015) [-]
And I just realized the same/similar joke is in the title...
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User avatar #15 - nywrestler (11/25/2015) [-]
So now Russia has had two planes go down in the past month. This one over Turkey and the bomb in the one from Egypt. Russia is about to go ******* ballistic.
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User avatar #45 to #15 - Airmanator (11/25/2015) [-]
They can try. Their only recourse is nuclear war because Russian forces cannot beat NATO conventionally.

Beyond that, if they violated sovereign territory and were responded to, they need to suck it up and accept they got caught. In the mean time they should release that Estonian border officer they kidnapped some months ago. they thre him in the gulag with trumped up charges.
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User avatar #56 to #45 - darkdesu (11/25/2015) [-]
Russian forces wut...You do realize that russian military tech rivals and on numerous occasions BEATS US military tech right? Do you think they are just driving t-34s around and getting drunk? Do some ******* research.
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User avatar #141 to #56 - Airmanator (11/25/2015) [-]
Source please.
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User avatar #185 to #141 - darkdesu (11/25/2015) [-]
Go do your own research and bring me results proving me wrong. the SU-35 whoops your ass all the way up to the ******* F-22 and the T-90 can go toe to toe with the M1 Abrams at a lower price tag. Not to mention since Russia doesn't have some whiny little ass clown president to hold it's military back.
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#214 to #185 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Someone is still living in the Cold War I see.

Russia has nukes, thats their power play. They suck at literally everything else.
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User avatar #321 to #185 - thumbfortrump ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
>First guy makes claim
>Second guy asks first guy to prove it
>First guy tells him to prove its NOT true

Do you realize how ******* stupid you sound.
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#239 to #185 - therealsupanova (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah all 40 of Russia's su-35's are gonna completely shut the USN and USAF out of the air. Good luck driving your T-90's anywhere since literally every country to the west and southwest of Russia absolutely detests them. What was that russian jet shot down by?

Oh yeah an american f16 with an american amraam, get ****** gg
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#215 to #185 - Airmanator (11/25/2015) [-]
There's not nearly as many SU-35s on the field, and with no stealth technology A2A and G2A fire could easily make short work of it. T-90 wise, it's low cost for a reason. It cannot take hits like an Abrams can, and does not have safety features to protect its operators. The Abrams requires more logistical support, however.

Arms wise, it's no contest. American has better training on a higher number of troops. Its navy is supremely powerful in comparison to Russian rustbuckets. IFVs and AFVs are outclasses by not only their American counterparts, but the bulk of NATO as well.

You've been reading too much Pravda. The only scenario where they stand a chance of winning is first strike -- otherwise those conscripts are being given early retirement via bodybags.
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#394 to #45 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Go play with your toys
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User avatar #48 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
People are overreacting way too much on this. Russia and Turkey are going to have a little diplomatic row, then both are going to let it go because prolonged conflict isn't in their interest. Russia want to get into the West's good graces, because their economy is near collapse, and Turkey gets 3 million Russian tourists each year and wants that to continue.

Also, Turkey was within their rights, the Russian jet entered Turkish airspace, albeit for a short time, 17 seconds. But a violation none the less. Had a Turkish aircraft gone over Russia, or Russian occupied Crimea for that matter you could bet it would be shot down.

Essentially, Russia has little to win by challenging Turkey in any major way, and Turkey don't really want a major conflict with Russia at this time.
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#160 to #48 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
I hope Russia stations Jets and antiaircraft launchers in Greece and start blowing Turkish Jets that infringe Greek airspace out the sky.
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#266 to #160 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Why would they do that? Greece is a NATO country, even they're not stupid enough to do anything to create that big of a ********* .
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User avatar #401 to #160 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Greece is a NATO ally, and although they flirt with Russia from time to time they stay in line.
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#378 to #160 - astafarianp (11/25/2015) [-]
Because Greece would just let the Russian military set up shop in their country lol
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#58 to #48 - kanedam ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
please source on the violation of airspace. so far i havent found anything tghat proves or disproves that... would like to have more info
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User avatar #62 to #58 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Perhaps I should say "claimed". Both Turkey and the US say the Russian jet entered Turkish airspace for 17 seconds. The Russians claim it did not. But since the Russians are compulsive liars these days I personally rather trust Western sources than Russian ones.

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581
www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/--Tyrkere-ma-ha-bestemt-seg-pa-forhand-for-a-skyte-8258325.html
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#64 to #62 - kanedam ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
all of the named parties are notorious liers...
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User avatar #67 to #64 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
To some extent. Russia is just more cartoonishly cliché about it though, and their media is state run, while Western media, while often reactionary and quick to take sides isn't, which is a massive plus to me. Also, it would hardly be the first time Russian jets have violated Turkish airspace, and every other NATO country says they stand by Turkey on this, so they seem to believe them.
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User avatar #68 to #67 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Excuse the use of commas, I can't end sentences apparently.
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#412 to #67 - kanedam ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
because western media is not financed by governmental sides, private lobby fractions that spread false information to aid special political views and arent already known to lie often and blatantly (just look at the history f the media)

also, nato is a western alliance system. of course the countries in it will side with their own side and not the 'enemy' one. doesnt have to do anything with the reliability of the information.

just saying... not really on russias side, just want to point out that both sides and all parties taking part are known to be liars.
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User avatar #435 to #412 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Generally the media in the west will take political sides and often be biased. But in these kinds of cases it can generally be relied upon to tell the facts of the matter, and give an accounting of both sides' claims. Take everything with a grain of salt, but have a bit of goodwill too, eh?
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#440 to #435 - kanedam ONLINE (11/26/2015) [-]
nope sorry.
considering how the western media behaved in the last few decades there is little more faith in them than saying that they are manipulating and lieing to the population.
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User avatar #442 to #440 - zevran ONLINE (11/26/2015) [-]
All of western media? I'm pretty sure it's a very diverse lot, probably a few thousand newspapers, tv channels, radio channels, and so forth. All with their own opinions and angles. Which is part of their strength. If some misinforms you can be certain some other media outlet will let you know about it.

Much better than Russia Today and their like. State controlled propaganda machines.
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#443 to #442 - kanedam ONLINE (11/26/2015) [-]
just read about how the cia has been using the media in the last decades in the usa.

in my country the media is "free" but still anyone that researches it even just a tiny bit knows the 4 biggest newspapers are owned by companies that each are allied and tied together with one political party, meaning its little more than a propaganda bulletin.
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User avatar #445 to #443 - zevran ONLINE (11/26/2015) [-]
Then go to other papers if you don't trust those four.
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#446 to #445 - kanedam ONLINE (11/26/2015) [-]
you missed the point of the variety you think is a proof of free media is an illusion.
also... which paper should one trust?

each has an agenda and is basically a propaganda paper. thats the core of media, delivering opinions, not facts.
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User avatar #447 to #446 - zevran ONLINE (11/26/2015) [-]
Why not both. Facts and opinions don't always exude each other. If a newspaper says 45 people were killed in a terrorist attack in Mumbai, then goes on to share their opinion on what should be done, and you don't agree, you've still got the basic facts of the episode.

Also, as mentioned, the facts that no one company/state/person controls the media means most of the facts will get out through one channel or the other due to the facts that most publications compete with each other. Just read more than one paper.

Also, the fact that some papers or media outlets are owned by the same company don't mean that they are under much editorial control from up high. Day to day management of individual branches of a media empire is more or less impossible, and journalists are often independent minded folk (sometimes not but you get my point). Schibsted for example owns most major papers in Norway and Sweden, but they are far more concerned with profit than with whatever the various papers write one day or the other.

Also, if you're so paranoid that multinational companies frighten you and makes you distrust everything their papers, tv channels and so on say, then go to the smaller independent publications.
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#448 to #447 - kanedam ONLINE (11/26/2015) [-]
well... seems we wont get to an understanding.

sorry that i wasted your time, it seems i'm not really getting my point through.
have a nice day
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#384 to #67 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Jew run media versus state media...
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User avatar #402 to #384 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Shut it anon.
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User avatar #65 to #58 - meganinja (11/25/2015) [-]
Pretty much every source I've found says 17 seconds.
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User avatar #19 - Blargosnarf (11/25/2015) [-]
When I was watching the news it said it was uncomfirmed if it was or wasn't truly in Turkey airspace, did the investigation update?
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User avatar #21 to #19 - malific (11/25/2015) [-]
It's something along the lines of... I think Turkey annexed it from Syria but Syria doesn't recognize it as owned by Turkey.

From what I understand... Turkey shot it down, then Syrians killed the pilot as he was parachuting, and one or the other shot down the chopper russia sent in to retrieve the pilot (not knowing he was already dead) pretty sure turkey did that too.

This is all I heard from the radio but was focusing on other things so not sure my info is 100% accurate.
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#50 to #19 - zevran ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Essentially the Russian plane flew over a small part of Turkish territory which sort of bends into Syria. They were over Turkish territory for something like 17 seconds, and were warned at least 20 times to change direction.
Russia has violated Turkish airspace many times before, and Turkey recently warned they would not hesitate to fire on Russian planes if it happened again.
Furthermore the Russians was bombing ethnic Turkish rebel groups operating in northern Syria called Turkmens, whom are supported by Turkey.
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User avatar #112 - gilliam (11/25/2015) [-]
Except the truth is the entire oppsite of this.
Nato has already backed the Turkish story, radar recordings confirm it was in turkish airspace for a bit, radio recordings confirm they did warn them and they ignored the warnings.
Although i do agree that it was a bit of an overreaction for such a small infraction.
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User avatar #116 to #112 - krobeles ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
"bit of an overreaction"? A Russian marine died because of it, man! I am 100% with Russia on this one. Turkey and Russian should've be allies by proxy, due to fighting a common enemy and they go and murder a Russian soldier because "hurr durr mah air space, Allah needs his air space".
Thats ******* disgusting, and equally as much a dick flaunting for Turkey as flying there in the first place was for Russia. Turkey needs to apologise profusedly for this, or I wont bat an eye if the Russians obliterates them.
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#131 to #116 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Three points.
1. Russia and Nato are only 'allied' against ISIS, they back entirely different groups for the Syrian rebellion.
2. Russia doesn't have the capability to take on NATO which is why they're so against countries they enjoy bullying from joining.
3. Airspace is unviolable under international law. What happened was an overreaction, not illegal. Considering Russias general 'don't give a ***** attitude to flying where they shouldnt it's not surprising something like this happened.
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#118 to #116 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]
Click to show spoiler
The pilot was warned to leave Turkish airspace or be fired upon, it did not leave, it was fired upon. Any country has the legal right to demand military craft (or any aircraft) leave their airspace, or be shot down. Turkey did nothing wrong.
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User avatar #121 to #118 - krobeles ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
According to the article, this had happened previously, where it was the case that the Russian pilot did not speak Turkish and didn't understand the warning. That pilot wasn't shot at, he left at his volition before that happened.
So effectively, all the Russian pilot heard was some rabid kabab screaming at him in kabab language. What the **** is he suposed to make of that, when the Turkish military are so lazy and inept that they dont even bother to get a person who speaks Russian to give the warning?
Turkey did abselutely everything wrong in this situation, even according to themselves and I'm not sure I believe the Turkish. According to the Russians, they ****** up even more than the Turkish will admit to.
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#124 to #121 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]
>not knowing NATO backs Turkey 10000% percent on this
>not knowing Nato has told Russia to **** off over this already
>top kek
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User avatar #126 to #124 - krobeles ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
I am very well aware of both of those things.
That changes nothing. How the **** do you think that changes anything, you mindless mong?

Also, this isn't 4chan. Stop useing those arrows, it makes you look like a retard.
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#129 to #126 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]
>not using meme arrows
>top kek
>not knowing that by international law, any nation does NOT have to give notice before shooting down/otherwise destroying a military vehicle or uniformed military personnel who are within the waters/airspace/on their land, and this is perfectly legal.

Quite literaly, as far as the UN is concerned, as far as Nato is concerned, Turkey did nothing wrong, and considering how much Russia has been sending their planes into other nation's airspace, it is about ******* time someone shot one down.
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User avatar #132 to #129 - krobeles ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
I dont care whats legal, I care about whats right!
I person has been unjustly killed by the Turkish military either because of their ineptitutde or because they wanted to show their muscle to the Russians.
If that isn't considered a crime by international law, it damn well should be and it damn well seems to be considered as such by the Russians.
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#137 to #132 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah its totally unjust for the pilot to have been killed by the rebels who's villages he was just bombing.
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#136 to #132 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]
Ok, settle the **** down ******** .

Russia has been trying to provoke nations for years, doing this **** .

There is this thing called Sovereignty. The same way the US gets to tell spics they can't come here, we get to tell other nations that if you deploy military forces in our nation, we will kill them, and other nations can do this as well. You are stating that sense a MILITARY UNIT, had penetrated this sovereign nation's airspace, the turks should have just let it keep going? No. Russia needs to learn that they can't do what the **** ever they want.

Obviously you are an idiot with no understanding of international politics.
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User avatar #143 to #136 - krobeles ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
The Russians are fighting a war in their backyard, for ***** you leprous retard! Do you think wars are like your RTS games, where one unit just walks to another and smacks it untill its lead in a strictly linear fashion? No! They cant nessesarily control with 100% certainty where everything ends up at all times. We dont know why that plane was in Turkish air space (nor indeed if thats even true) and you're jumping the propaganda version of "hurr durr evil Russians!". You've been drinking the cool aid...

"Obviously" you're an idiot with no conception of how wars function, no respect for Russian lives and so muddied in propaganda that you cant see past the tip of your own **** smeared nose.
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#146 to #143 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]
Wow, seriously butthurt faggot crying buttears because he was buttdestroyed.

Yes, someone died. Boo hoo, that sucks. This is why most nations make sure to stay 5-10 miles AWAY from THEIR side of the border, to keep from flying into another nation unless they have permission.

Russia is just trying to start **** cause they can, cause Putin is a ******* KGB piece of **** and doesn't know how to act ******* civilized. This is Russia trying to get smaller nations into a one on one war so they can take over, period, end of story.

Try knowing what the **** is going on before you post on the internet son. We have google, there is no ******* excuse for ignorance like yours.
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#147 to #146 - krobeles ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Nice tin foil hat. I would get a closer look, but your breath stinks so heavily of kool aid, that I'm afraid of getting that infectious brain-worm that seems to have eaten away your brain.

What a nice little drone you are, blindly hating the Russians so much. I'm sure Obama is proud of you, #36...
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#155 to #147 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
'RUSOPHOBE!!! YOU'RE ALL JUST SCARED BECAUSE RUSSIA IS SO GOOD AND OBAMA TELL YOU ITS BAD!

PUTIN TOLD ME WERE THE BEST THOUGH LET ME GO SUCK HIS COCK SOME MORE!!!'
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#153 to #147 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]
>hating russian government
>not hating the russians

Russia isn't going to start WW3 or something, but they are acting aggressively to try to expand to get more resources, because their economy sucks. Putin is a ******** and instead of being civil about it is trying to start local wars. Facts son, learn to research.
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#416 to #121 - bwiedieter (11/25/2015) [-]
The Turkish version of the story is full of giant plot holes. Like the fact that they say they were telling the pilot to leave their airspace over the course of 10 minutes, yet the plane was just traversing a 2.5 km wide tongue of Turkish land surrounded by Syria on three sides, entering and leaving Turkish airspace, if at all, in a matter of seconds.

Or the fact that the plane was fired upon after it had already left Turkish airspace (again, if it entered at all). The missile hit it in the back far over Syrian territory.

And presuming it did enter, the next course of action would´ve been to escort the plane out of Turkish airspace OR force it to land OR fire warning bursts with aircraft weapons. Not shoot to kill. That´s a last resort if everything else fails and malicious intent is probable.
More in >>#409
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User avatar #425 to #416 - krobeles ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Thats a good point too. Very good, in fact.
But of course these fools are too busy sucking Americas dick to bother useing their brains...
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User avatar #120 to #118 - heartlessrobot ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah but they're Turkey, they don't matter.
It's an act of war and, while I dislike Russia, I do want to see Turkey get flattened for this.
Like, radioactive crater where the country was, flattened.
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#122 to #120 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]
Its not an act of war because a military fighter violated Turkish airspace.

And that would end poorly for Russia. Nato has Turkey's back on this. Russia doesn't have Warsaw anymore though.
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User avatar #125 to #122 - heartlessrobot ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
For a few seconds. Not enough to justify shooting it down.
Imagine if a guy was walking along the sidewalk outside your property, cut a corner, briefly stepping on your lawn, so you mag-dumped him.
You'd be the asshole psycho there.
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#127 to #125 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]
International law states that any nation can shoot down a *military* vehicle if it entered their airspace/their land, without notice, immediately. Period, end of story; this was completely legal. Turkey literally did absolutely nothing wrong, as far as international law is concerned.

Does it suck that said guy died? Yes. But Russia has being doing this **** for too ******* long. Good for Turkey that they've told Russia to **** off, and good for Nato that they are backing Turkey.
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User avatar #128 to #127 - heartlessrobot ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
But if Russia did this, you'd be calling for bombing runs on Russia.
I might not like Russia, but I like Turkey even less.
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#130 to #128 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]
Nope. If a US plan was actually in Russian airspace, I would not rage, because I understand how international law works. Something you obviously don't.
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User avatar #95 - aabbccddeeffgghhii (11/25/2015) [-]
> Implying Russia wasn't actually in Turkeys Airspace

It totally was. Russia has been doing this **** for years. I'm glad they shot the plane down. Wish the pilot/pilotss weren't killed though, they didn't do anything wrong.
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#97 to #95 - corneliusfudge ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Apparently the pilots are actually OK and were at the hands of the rebels.
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User avatar #99 to #97 - aabbccddeeffgghhii (11/25/2015) [-]
I still think at least one of them died though right?
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#104 to #99 - corneliusfudge ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
Unfortunately that is a yes. I have just done a quick search.
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User avatar #105 to #104 - aabbccddeeffgghhii (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah, its sad that a man had to die just to prove a point, but Russia does need to know it can't just do what ever the **** it wants when ever the **** it wants.
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#353 to #105 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
You're a ******* **** for brain

They're fighting ISIS and preserving a nation

The US funds ISIS and is trying to wreck a country

seriously, **** YOU
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User avatar #368 to #353 - aabbccddeeffgghhii (11/25/2015) [-]
Log in and say that to me
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#453 to #368 - corneliusfudge ONLINE (11/30/2015) [-]
Here, have this.
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#350 - Argonite (11/25/2015) [-]
what USA looked like in my head while reading this
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User avatar #400 to #350 - unbelievable (11/25/2015) [-]
Same
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#26 - ashketchup (11/25/2015) [-]
**ashketchup used "*roll picture*"**
**ashketchup rolled image** looks like Russia is eating Turkey for thanksgiving
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User avatar #6 - failtolawl ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
There have been sorties flying around Turkey from Russia for quite some time now. If the Turks wanted to they could have shot down plenty of Russian planes that have probably gotten even closer to the border than what Russia claims this plane has gotten.

The Turks released actual data from the radar systems. So far, the Russians have only released a hand drawn picture.

I'm no fan of the Turkish government. But they are an actual democracy with relatively transparent actions. They are in NATO, after all. Russia is an authoritarian government that wants to victimize itself in every possible way, and they have done this by literally bullying every country that surrounds it and it's interests. Remember MH17?

But let's use common sense. Who knows the Turkish borders more, the Turkish military or some Russian volunteer pilots?

Oh, and lest we forget Turkey is an avid opponent of Gazprom and it's largest competitor.
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User avatar #8 to #6 - slavakazimir (11/25/2015) [-]
I had an English fail but no matter.
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#54 to #6 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
turkey has less "democracy" then russia and mh17 was shot down by pro ukrainian separatists with 2 old soviet missels.
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#385 to #54 - astafarianp (11/25/2015) [-]
Yeah Turkey is so undemocratic that must be why Erdogan's party doesn't control parliament anymore.
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User avatar #7 to #6 - slavakazimir (11/25/2015) [-]
You much not know much about the current Turkish government. Wikileaks also gives another point that counters this. Understand the event's leading up to this and the area the plane crashed in and then a picture paint's itself clearly. Turkey and Saudi Arabia are well known sponsors of militant groups.
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User avatar #12 to #6 - parashizo (11/25/2015) [-]
>turkey
>democracy
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#88 - vicecomx ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]
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#34 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
>must of

THAT'S NOT AMERICA IT'S AN IMPOSTOR!
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#83 to #34 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]
No, that was an accurate depiction of America.
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