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User avatar #4 - ssjkirby (03/28/2014) [-]
>Gay people
>heaven

pick one
#21 to #4 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
If heaven is really how it is defined in comment 5, then I choose gay people
#1 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
I realize this is a joke, but it's a really stupid one. Yes it's wonderful that every one can take such joy in the death of some old jerk, but at least get our facts strait, Even if God didn't dislike or hate gay people it is still considered sinful as stated in pretty much any bible you see (When something is called an abomination you can be sure it's sinful) So you now very well that if there is a heaven gay dudes aren't livin' together.
#2 to #1 - darthkrayt (03/28/2014) [-]
Aside from that, and the incoming 			*********		,   
pretty sure no one is married in heaven   
>GIF of what is about to happen
Aside from that, and the incoming ********* ,
pretty sure no one is married in heaven
>GIF of what is about to happen
User avatar #3 to #1 - icameisawilostit (03/28/2014) [-]
Materials:
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 18 deals with prohibited sexual activity and Leviticus 20 deals with how prohibited sexual relations are dealt with. Leviticus 18:22 approaches the line, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind," with the continuation, "as with womankind," signifying not that men cannot have sex with men, but that a man should never treat another man as a woman in bed. At the time, women were viewed as property, and the idea was that you should never treat another man (not a slave, but a man) as your own property.
There is no denying that sex between men was frowned upon by early Christianity. Early Christians were under the repression of the Romans, a religious group tolerant of orgies (where anyone could have any partner), where the wealthy could party-hardy all day and night. The first part of Leviticus 20:13, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination," can be interpreted the same way as the line above. The second part, "they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them," is easier to misinterpret. Early Christians hated their Roman for their religious oppression, and viewed their activities as evil (as any can easily do for one they hate), thus labeling something very prominent in Roman high culture as something that was wrong.

tl;dr 1st line about gays in the bible is a property law, 2nd line was likely written out of spite
#29 to #3 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (Romans 1:26–27 KJV)

Just saying. A lot of people don't know that Leviticus is not the only place in the Bible that talks about homosexuality. Regardless of your views, I think this passage is very clear.
User avatar #70 to #29 - icameisawilostit (03/28/2014) [-]
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
#52 to #3 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
Leveticus also banned eating shellfish, wearing mixed clothing, and said stoning people for sinning was a-okay! Leviticus is ******** , you can't pick and choose what applies and what doesnt. Homosexulity was never listed as a commndment or deadly sin by god (or moses, but apparently he got the commandments from god), but from a bunch of bitter, angry, judgemental fundementalists who didnt even understand the religion they were even foloowing.
User avatar #64 to #52 - snood (03/28/2014) [-]
here's where you're mistaken, God gave different laws to every group of people, starting with moses in the desert to the levites to the judges, etc. he sometimes needed more strictness because the society he was leading needed it, like obviously the laws about killing your kid for talking back to his parents don't apply now, but they did back then, same thing with the shellfish. the laws of the levites applied to the levites, now we have new laws to follow, but levites isn't the only place that homosexuality is mentioned as a sin.

regardless we shoud still love them and not judge or persecute them.
#53 to #52 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
and I'm agreeing with you here, I just wanted to add more to it.
User avatar #46 to #3 - cheeseboyofdoom ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
This seems really easy to spin one way or the other. Perhaps its the translation? Does the original Hebrew leave any room for interpretation ?
User avatar #11 - slayton (03/28/2014) [-]
The Bible says that all have sinned and no sinner can get into heaven. The only way is to accept and believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God, and because he was sinless, he died in place of the rest of humanity, so that they could go to heaven. The Bible never says that one gets into heaven by being a good person, Jesus specifically dispelled that notion many times throughout his teaching. The confusion stems from the fact that before the Crucifixion, people went to heaven by following the Law, laid out in Leviticus, as a symbol of faithfulness in anticipation of the coming Messiah. That's the problem with the world today, many people who so vehemently oppose Christianity have no idea what the teaching and beliefs of Christians actually are, they believe the "pop culture" version of Christianity that has become so prevalent among those uneducated in Christian beliefs. Homosexuality was defined as a sin in Leviticus, under the Law, but Paul later stated in the New Testament that all had the potential to experience homosexual feelings just as they experience the temptation to experience any other sin. The reason Christians preach against homosexuality is because Jesus instructed us to love and guide all to God and salvation, and allowing people to sin without warning them of the dangers and harm it causes would be the opposite of loving. We preach against homosexuality because we want all to come to Jesus and go to heaven, and by openly sinning and being proud of it, they demonstrate that they are not saved, not because we hate them.
tl;dr Homosexuality is no different from any other sin, and the idea that a person experiencing homosexual desires is automatically excluded from heaven has no founding in the teachings of Christ.
User avatar #30 to #11 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
did you know jehovahs witnesses are like regular christians but look more into what the bible says?
User avatar #33 to #30 - slayton (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm very familiar with Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm not going to argue the merits of different denominations, but I will say that I in no way consider their church or teachings to be in any way Christian.
User avatar #34 to #33 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
oh yeah? name one thing you think is wrong that they do or not do.
User avatar #35 to #34 - slayton (03/28/2014) [-]
Like I said, I'm not going to argue. I'm in no position spiritually for apologetics at this point, and even if I were this would not be the right venue to do so.
User avatar #36 to #35 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
well you said you wouldn't consider their teachings in any way christian. why?
i would just like to know what people think is bad
#48 to #36 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
1) reject the doctrine of the trinity

2) think only 144,000 people will be in heave (when new testament scriptures say that god wants all people to freely choose him

a couple others, those are just the ones off the top of my head. Those two views seem entirely contradictory with the scripture they claim to affirm.
User avatar #68 to #48 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
it will be a paradise
User avatar #67 to #48 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
the 144,000 one is true.
everyone else will be on earth arfter armoggenden
User avatar #31 to #30 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
ask any questionabout the religion and i can prove that its better
#49 to #11 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
Best post I've seen all year.
#54 to #11 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
By preaching against homosexuality you are judging them and by judging them you are sinning. Good luck getting into heaven then.
User avatar #65 to #54 - slayton (03/28/2014) [-]
You didn't even read my original post. Everyone sins constantly, you don't get into heaven by not sinning, the Bible teaches that you must accept that you could not stop sinning even if you wanted to, that Jesus was the Son of God, and that because he never sinned his death atoned for yours. Even if that weren't true, I assume you're referring to "judge not lest you be judged."? The word used in the original Greek that we translate to "judge" is "krino" which means "to pass a sentence," not "to criticize." Jesus was admonishing telling people that they are or are not going to hell, as you can't know if somebody else is saved or not just by their actions.
User avatar #16 to #11 - tkfourtwoone (03/28/2014) [-]
"We preach against homosexuality because we want all to come to Jesus and go to heaven"

Hence the song "Keep your Jesus off my penis".
User avatar #41 - samxdaxman (03/28/2014) [-]
Phelps looks like a ghoul from Fallout. Probably hates Adam and Steve for being smoothskins.
User avatar #5 - godtherapist (03/28/2014) [-]
I think someone needs to read their bible.

Heaven is nothing but singing to God. No one gets to do anything but sing to God. No one wants to do anything but sing to God.
User avatar #24 to #5 - KillinTime (03/28/2014) [-]
if singing to god is a torture worse than hell, does that mean heaven is worse than hell?
#26 to #24 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
I don't think anything is a torture worse than hell m8.
User avatar #63 to #5 - snood (03/28/2014) [-]
show me in the Bible where it says that.
i know it says, no ear has heard and no eye has seen what God has prepared for us.
and i know it's constantly referred to as paradise.
the only way heaven is talked about in the bible is in a symbolic way, probably.
#10 - legionisanon (03/28/2014) [-]
Gay people can go to heaven as easily as anyone else. It's another sin, and any amount or level of sin can be forgiven, even if it's repeated. So yes, Christian homosexuals is a possible thing.
#12 to #10 - narflarg (03/28/2014) [-]
isnt heaven free of sin and pain? If thats true going to heaven would turn all people straight right?
#56 to #12 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
I think heaven is supposed to remove all temptation and inner desire so you everyone might become asexual.
#14 to #12 - legionisanon (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm pretty sure, yeah, but in Heaven I don't think people would really be considering sexuality regardless.
User avatar #25 to #14 - tinglyturtletaint ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
Why? is there no ******* in heaven? Is heaven some place where are the rules of the bible still restrict you and "paradise" is just what god thinks you should think paradise is or is it your own personal bliss where you can do whatever you want and have everything you ever dream of. I'm not into christianity so I don't know what the bible says on the matter.
#71 to #25 - legionisanon (03/28/2014) [-]
As far as I know, we'll be happy regardless of what we're doing. Since Christianity is about love and God, we'll be worshipping God a lot but I don't think we'll be able to register feelings of boredom or unhappiness.
I'm not 100% sure on that, man.
User avatar #72 to #71 - tinglyturtletaint ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
That sounds horrible. That's essentially drugging/mind control. I'd kind of rather burn than that.
#73 to #72 - legionisanon (03/28/2014) [-]
Well, it wouldn't be horrible in Heaven because we wouldn't know it. I can see what you mean, of course, but to most Christians it sounds pretty ideal ahah. No one really knows for sure what Heaven's going to be like exactly, though.
#15 to #14 - narflarg (03/28/2014) [-]
also true... These types of loopholes are why im agnostic.
#17 to #15 - legionisanon (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm a Christian but I can totally understand what you mean. Guess that's why they call it faith and not fact.
User avatar #37 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
not to be a jerk but i think there is no god...
its not like anyone really hears him. no one has seen noah's ark. even in your dreams there are no responses from him. and lastly people are finding natural what was once a serious sin. and we belived it all from one book
#55 to #37 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
So you don't believe there is no Christian or islamic god? Because you only stated what applies to those religions. There are mnay version of god out there which do not follow written word and have a different interpretation of what a god is. Some believe 'god' is more of a force of nature not yet explianed in science pushing the universe to evolve.
User avatar #69 to #55 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
ok then christianism is fake and the bible is fake. other "gods" may be real
#38 to #37 - professorsquirrell (03/28/2014) [-]
I may not entirely believe in God, quite frankly I believe there might be a God who created dinosaurs, realised there was no real intelligence or purpose to them and destroyed them and rebuilt humans through evolution, come on it's not a impossibility that both are correct after all, or even if God had help from other gods.

But what does fascinate is Jesus, I do respect him because even if he is a liar or you don't believe him he was smart enough to change millions of peoples beliefs, and people's beliefs are the things they cling most to.

However, one day Christianity and the like will just be mythology, just like the Greek Gods and Roman Gods became.
User avatar #39 to #38 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
yes exactly. what if this world is a distant planet that god is trying to do stuff on from far away like god put it in the perfect place like throwing a basketball. then he saw the dinosaurs and threw a meteor from far away to exterminate them. then humans came along some how
#42 to #39 - professorsquirrell (03/28/2014) [-]
Yes like when He sent a meteor he intended to wipe out all life, but when God saw that the fish or whatever had survived and crawled out of the water He realised the potential and intelligence this one creature had, and over the course of millions of years helped to change the animal through a constant cycle of believing it had reached perfection before realising it still had potential to grow before eventually it evolved into modern day Homosapiens.
User avatar #43 to #42 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
i dont know about evolution but it is the only logical answer so yea
#44 to #43 - professorsquirrell (03/28/2014) [-]
It is not the only Logical answer (I think your speaking about evolution here), there is some logic behind religion, but Evolution is more tangible, therefore more believable.

I am rather envious of people with faith, I find it difficult to put so much faith into something that may not be real/true.
User avatar #45 to #44 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
i realised this through prayer because i said that god had to give me a certain dream and i would know for a fact myself that he was real. he didnt give me the dream. that proves he either isnt real or he is too lazy to send a dream just to prove his exsistance
#47 to #45 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
Uhm it has recently been discovered that the bible was just a rulebook to keep people from behaving differently from what the church wanted. So the church made up a "god" that'd punish them, and people back then didnt know any better and just belived them. But we live in the 21st century, and you people still actually belive some ******* fairy ******* tail from way back. GROW THE **** UP AND LOOK AROUND YOU, GOD IS JUST DOG BACKWARDS, THATS WHEN I REALSED, THERE IS NO GOD.
User avatar #40 to #38 - sociocat ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
what if aliens made us and put us on here?
we were made by somthing that was made by a god
#62 - babbe (03/28/2014) [-]
Honestly, if you wouldnt want to do anything but sing to god then it wouldnt be torture
User avatar #60 - slenderwolf (03/28/2014) [-]
Anyone got the one where he has a sign reading "Thank God For Dead Soldiers" with three men in fatigues guarding the pearly gates?
User avatar #57 - beezox (03/28/2014) [-]
i have a question, lets say heaven exist, when you die, would you come to heaven as old as when you died or would you get to choose the age you want to be in heaven or is it a set age, and if there is a set age, what happens to babies that die assuming set age is not from babie form
User avatar #61 to #57 - cloudstrifeownsall (03/28/2014) [-]
Maybe we won't have bodies.... maybe we would just have a sort of consciousness and the bodies are just for us to give a shape to something abstract... maybe we won't even be ourselves consciously...like.. maybe when we die we really die and there is no further realization of being alive but the soul that goes to heaven is something new. I feel like if we go to hell though it would be our own consciousness... but I guess it could work the same way
#51 - bulanu (03/28/2014) [-]
**bulanu rolled image**
#50 - carrickman (03/28/2014) [-]
The only thing I think we should respect is the man's son. His son was estranged from him and his son just wants respect. More for himself than for his father. His son didn't even belong the church. At least I don't believe he did. Didn't share the same views as he father or sister either.
User avatar #27 - Hawke (03/28/2014) [-]
>Making fun of Based-Phelps

Dude that guy was the master ******* troll, he created the world's most amazing amount of butthurt.

How dare you insult him.
User avatar #8 - WAKEFIELD (03/28/2014) [-]
Can someone explain please?
#19 to #8 - Rascal (03/28/2014) [-]
A common anti-gay protest is "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" And the old guy is the Westboro Baptist Church guy who died, so the joke is implying that he's rooming with a gay couple in heaven
User avatar #22 to #19 - WAKEFIELD (03/28/2014) [-]
gotcha, thanks
#6 - kindofhappy (03/28/2014) [-]
In my opinion, that man is far, FAR to full of hate to be able to go to heaven. But, it's not my place to judge who goes to heaven or not. I'm Christian, but I honestly don't think that homosexuality is a sin. People quote Leviticus, but there are so many rules in there that no one obeys. Besides, though the bible is God's word, it was written by men, and so is most likely influenced by the ideologies of that time. For all we know, God has no problem with homosexuals.

tl; dr, we don't know who gets into heaven and who doesn't, so it's best not to judge.
User avatar #7 to #6 - slayton (03/28/2014) [-]
The Bible explicitly states that all those who accept that they are sinners and cannot get into heaven through their own power, and who accept that Jesus Christ was the son of God and died sinless to atone for our sins, will get into heaven. Absolutely nothing to do with being a good person. You can call yourself a Christian all you want, but if you don't bother to know or even attempt to follow the Word of God, it's not going to mean much. The Bible says that there will be countless people who say to God when they die that they are Christians and have followed God their whole life, and he will tell them that he never knew them because they followed their own beliefs and were Christian in name only.
User avatar #13 to #7 - kindofhappy (03/28/2014) [-]
You make good points, but I know exactly what my relationship with God is. But I think we should concern ourselves with just that; help others to know Him while maintaining our own strong relationship with Him. That's our purpose as Christians; to guide others into knowing him. However, that still doesn't gives us reason to claim that we know the will of God.
User avatar #18 to #13 - slayton (03/28/2014) [-]
The Bible states that it is the literal word of God, and though written by men, was divinely inspired and is infallible in it's original language. If you believe that the Bible is true, and the Bible states that it is the will of God, then you know the will of God.
User avatar #20 to #18 - kindofhappy (03/28/2014) [-]
Are you saying that you obey all the rules in Leviticus? All I'm saying is we don't have a right to tell people whether they will or won't go to heaven; that's up to God.
User avatar #28 to #20 - slayton (03/28/2014) [-]
Ah, then there's been a misunderstanding somewhere along the way. I completely agree, one can never be sure of another's relationship with God. I apologize.
User avatar #9 to #6 - iloveburzum (03/28/2014) [-]
I reckon everyone is going to hell. Wearing mixed fabrics, borrowing money, eating seafood, thinking about ******* kids, holding their dicks when they pee.
Hell is jam packed with ordinary people, all being tortured to **** .
That or its all a fantasy novel, made up by crazy sheepherders.
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