I get what you're saying, and I can sympathize with - #157508771 added by schmitty at Not sure if nice or naive.

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I find it weird that the same people that are against abortion find it the most upsetting when a kid grows up without parents or with parents that don't want them.

#64 to #6 - thegamepixel

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(03/21/2017) [-]

It's sad, but at leas they're not dead.

#65 to #64 - toosexyforyou

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(03/21/2017) [-]

just gonna copy/paste this "So you do know that dumping babies in a dumpster, child abuse by parents and orphanages, women don't know who the father is so their life is honestly ruined if they kept the kid so they would have to either accept a poor life or giving the kid up for adoption/dumpster, and most importantly I would love to hear you justify making a woman give birth to the baby of a man that raped her."

#74 to #65 - thegamepixel

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Orphanages give you at least the chance to do something with your life, which is denied by abortion. Obviously dumping a baby in a dumpster is just as horrid.

As far as rape goes, its a little more complicated. There is always the morning after pill, first of all. If that doesn't work there is actually no justification for abortion. Having an abortion would "punish" (and that's not nearly a harsh enough word) the baby for the acts of the rapist. That baby is a human and has the same right to life as anyone else.

Consider this: a woman getting raped who is not allowed an abortion is forced to care for a baby she does not want, at least for the first 9 months. A father who is raped, forcibly held inside a woman, or has an "accident" is forced to financially take care of the baby for 18 years. Comparatively, I don't think the woman is that bad off.

#85 to #74 - toosexyforyou

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(03/21/2017) [-]

Wait you're for the morning after pill but against abortion? Also a father who is raped can prove his case in court.

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I mean, I don't know many people who aren't. Even many anti-abortion activists are okay with it. A baby isn't scientifically alive until it develops reproductive organs at week 7 and if you're worried about it feeling pain, brain waves are not detectable until week 5.

Not everywhere recognizes a woman raping a man as legitimate rape, and many times the woman can still get child support for it. The other examples still stand.

#56 to #6 - solinvictus

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I'm against abortion because I believe everyone should have a chance at having a life whether their parents want them or not. Having self-centered assholes for parents shouldn't be a death sentence.

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So you do know that dumping babies in a dumpster, child abuse by parents and orphanages, women don't know who the father is so their life is honestly ruined if they kept the kid so they would have to either accept a poor life or giving the kid up for adoption/dumpster, and most importantly I would love to hear you justify making a woman give birth to the baby of a man that raped her.

#66 to #60 - solinvictus

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Giving up for adoption would be a better option than abortion, at least that way the kid would have a chance at life, rather than just being snuffed out before being born. And I've known a guy that was the product of a rape. He had problems at home, but he was a pretty great guy despite and I'm glad I knew him. Would you tell him to his face that his life doesn't matter just because his father was a criminal piece of ****?

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(03/21/2017) [-]

I don't care about the child or your friend. I care about the mother that has to give birth to her rapist's kid. Did you ever meet her? What was she like?

#11 to #6 - schmitty

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(03/20/2017) [-]

Because to them having a child is one of the best things in life and they can't imagine a person who wouldn't want to experience that.

#71 to #11 - solinvictus

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(03/21/2017) [-]

meant to reply to the guy above, sorry!

#72 to #71 - schmitty

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No worries, I was confused as **** though when I saw the part about rape and had to go back to the content to double check. Abortion isn't murder or killing though.

#75 to #72 - solinvictus

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Lol, I figured, I'm just glad I caught it! We differ in opinion on that though, I believe it is. Although I don't necessarily think of the mother as the murderer, especially when she's scared and confused and so many people tell her abortion is her only choice. Giving up for adoption would achieve the same ends without killing the child.

#76 to #75 - schmitty

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But why should the mother have to go through 9 months of pregnancy if she doesn't want/have to? Besides, there are already tons of kids up for adoption right now. If people really wanted to adopt kids, or if it was actually a viable option we would see it happening more than it already is. I have 0 sympathy for mothers who complain having had kids at a young age or how their kids prevent them from doing certain things, there are several ways it could have been prevented, one of them is abortion.

#79 to #76 - solinvictus

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I have no easy answer for any of that. It's a **** situation all around and it isn't fair. Not everyone is destined to have the best start in life, bad things happen to good people, but that doesn't mean that they can't go on to have a happy life and make something of themselves, whether they were a woman who got raped or a child that was given up for adoption by a mother who was raped. You look at these situations and you want to spare someone from the pain of having a hard life. I get that. I just want people to have a chance to live and make something of themselves despite all the pain and hardship. Among these two choices, abortion is final, but adoption is full of possibilities, even if they get a bad start. I'm just trying to help you understand where I'm coming from so we can reach and understanding, maybe compromise, you know?

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I get what you're saying, and I can sympathize with the idea of wanting people to have a chance at life, but I definitely disagree with you. It's a nice idea, but like you said "bad things happen to good people", if being aborted is one of those things then so be it. That fetus doesn't have thoughts, it doesn't have the capability to have a single thought or action. For all intents and purposes it doesn't exist except simply as a cluster of cells, not unlike a tumor.

#70 to #11 - solinvictus

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Wow, don't cut yourself on all the edge there, buddy. And I care about both because I'm not a ****** person. She shouldn't have been raped and he shouldn't be killed for his father's crime. And what was she like? She beat him occasionally, from what I understand. Who's in the wrong? Her for beating him or him for existing? Neither, really. Maybe she was like that even before he was born, who knows. The man who raped her is the one who ****** up their lives, not the old friend who was born because of it.

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Its not that people don't want to experience it; its that it isn't always a good time to have kids. I would love to have a child but when i got pregnant I wasn't ready in any sense of the word. I wish people would have a kinder heart to people who make the toughest of choices.