Murder or Suicide | Explain WHY

#15 - badboyscout#62 on commentsRank#62

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(12/17/2016)[-]

Murder: the shell casing should be laying on the floor not on the desk

#31 to #15 - badboyscout#62 on commentsRank#62

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(12/17/2016)[-]

#119 to #31 - bbutlerasdf

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(12/18/2016)[-]

But if someone else shot them the case still would have been ejected onto the floor

#167 to #119 - badboyscout#62 on commentsRank#62

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

But it lies next to the glasses...

#133 to #31 - rickysan

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

Assuming the bullet went through her head

#17 to #15 - lvefastdieyoung [OP]

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(12/17/2016)[-]

goood catch, i actually never noticed that one

#20 to #17 - lethurg

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(12/17/2016)[-]

how about the fact that the gun is in the wrong hand....just a small detail

#32 to #20 - yodaiam

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(12/17/2016)[-]

Look at the drawing again

#35 to #32 - lethurg

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(12/17/2016)[-]

and who the hell sits with the back to a makeup mirror.

#225 to #35 - hankhateshippies

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(12/18/2016)[-]

That's a window.

#82 to #35 - thematthew

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(12/18/2016)[-]

who the hell does a 180 in a way to where it doesn't look like they did a 180 when they shot them self?

#157 to #35 - gowge

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

Who said they were sitting?

#39 to #35 - yodaiam

Reply0

(12/17/2016)[-]

thats a window and someone that is committing suicide

#114 to #39 - bbutlerasdf

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

But if they shot themself from that position the case would have ejected onto the floor not the desk

#116 to #114 - bbutlerasdf

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

Now I've confused myself. How could the case have landed on the desk if the bullet was fired toward the right wall.

#299 to #116 - yodaiam

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

The gun could eject the other way. Some are made to do that.

#292 to #32 - underhatten

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Check the pen. She is left handed.

#280 to #32 - dennymyman

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Cigarette is in her left hand, ashtray is on her left side if she's facing the window. She got pepsied by someone else.

#264 to #15 - anon id: c4133c19

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(12/18/2016)[-]

lmao your reasoning is based of probability not fact, for that reason its ****.
The guns in her right hand, blood splatter is on the right wall

Picture it, Shoots head with left hand bullet comes out the right side,
Right hand bullet and blood left

You were right on it being a murder but you had **** case in court

#267 to #264 - shironomia

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Except that that would require her head to have been near the wall in the moment of the shot
Look how she lies.
IF it was suicide, her feet would be somewhere near where she stood/sat when she pulled the trigger
Looking at that position, blood on the wall or the shell casing on the table would make no ******* sense.

Plus that chair. It being fallen down implies she sat on it when she "pulled the trigger".
That would mean when she shot, she would have been at the VERY LEFT of the picture.
Which would make no sense for the case to land there then. Neither for the blood to be so concentrated on one point of the wall.

Fact: She stood right in front of the wall, got shot there. Which explains blood splatter only on one point of the wall. And the pistol was somewhere where the case landed.
After that she was positioned like that.

#194 to #15 - stalkerexplain

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(12/18/2016)[-]

It's not like different guns have different ejection directions, and the gun itself could've been held sideways.

#152 to #15 - mrd

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Do you not just have a bunch of empty cases lying around?

#93 to #15 - vampireinarm

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(12/18/2016)[-]

oh...

i totally didnt immediately vote suicide thinking it meant what id wanna do

#132 to #93 - rickysan

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Are you ok?

#141 to #132 - vampireinarm

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Is it bad im not entirely sure myself

#166 to #141 - kinginthenorth

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

Sounds rough.
Gonna talk about it?

#171 to #166 - vampireinarm

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(12/18/2016)[-]

not really, I should check on how many layers of unironic suicidal humor im on though

#172 to #171 - kinginthenorth

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

Yeah, if you go too far, it starts getting to you.

#173 to #172 - vampireinarm

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(12/18/2016)[-]

yep, but the m e m e s do help unironically from time to time

#66 to #15 - blazefox

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(12/18/2016)[-]

I don't know, my cz throws casing behind me and very high.

#260 to #15 - anon id: 7ab03c37

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

she killed herself and then somebody put the shell case onto that shelf

#111 to #15 - amistrs

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(12/18/2016)[-]

could be the first cigarrete

#112 to #15 - anon id: ebcb6e17

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Plsa use this pic next time

#13 - badboyscout#62 on commentsRank#62

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(12/17/2016)[-]

#263 to #13 - echsa#153 on contentRank#153

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(12/18/2016)[-]

she is left handed too, the gun is in the wrong hand

#294 to #263 - anon id: c72f3954

Reply0

(12/18/2016)[-]

It doesn't matter which is the dominant hand. Most guns are designed for the right hand.

#300 to #294 - iamnuff

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(12/18/2016)[-]

If she had the gun in her right hand, wouldn't she have shot herself in the right side of the head? thus the blood-splatter would be on the left.

She was shot from the left, and the bullet hit the right-wall.

#295 to #294 - echsa#153 on contentRank#153

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(12/18/2016)[-]

what do you mean?
she wouldnt use her other hand for something emotional like this

#24 - wcpapier#15 on contentRank#15

Reply+44

(12/17/2016)[-]

it murder, those damn tabacco's claim yet another innocent life

#110 - CendosMansabe

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Murder...because someone had to take the picture

#226 to #110 - poshblobfish

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(12/18/2016)[-]

This got me good

#1 - secretzx#125 on contentRank#125

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(12/17/2016)[-]

Murder, didn't finish smoking cigarette.

#18 to #1 - itsgnar

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(12/17/2016)[-]

Is he supposed to tho?

#43 to #18 - mikethemerciless

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(12/17/2016)[-]

Not's not even finished

#134 to #1 - rickysan

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(12/18/2016)[-]

She finished several.

#159 - frostdrachen

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Even considering that the blood might fall a bit while it flies, it just doesn't add up. Murder.

#276 to #159 - muffintime

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(12/18/2016)[-]

You really put a lot of work into this.... Keener.

#301 to #159 - iamnuff

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Put a lot of work into working out the trajectery, but you didn't mention that really simple reason why it couldn't have been suicide.

She was shot in the wrong side of the head.
Gun is in her right hand, gunshot came from her left.

#303 to #301 - frostdrachen

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(12/18/2016)[-]

She could've been sitting away from the table, though a lot of things don't add up. Closed Windows, unlit cigarette, the stool is in a wierd position... etc. Murder.

#12 - swirlytwirl#356 on commentsRank#356

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(12/17/2016)[-]

Comment section right now

#278 - zomaru

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Suicide
She had information leading to the arrest of Hillary Clinon

#38 - lemonpizzapie

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(12/17/2016)[-]

She's left handed, but the gun is in her right hand. points to murder. But that wouldn't be enough proof.

#127 to #38 - usmcmattymers

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(12/18/2016)[-]

I smoke cigarettes and am right handed but I smoke them with my left because it keeps the smoke out of my face and allows me to keep my dominant hand free. I still agree with you it looks like a murder because no matter how you shoot yourself the casing never majes it onto the desk with the blood splatter where it is.

#137 to #127 - lemonpizzapie

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(12/18/2016)[-]

it's not the cigarettes, but the pen. when a right-handed person puts the pen down, it's on the right side of the paper, with the tip pointing left.

#183 to #137 - emiyashirou

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Are you sure about that? I'm right handed and it's immensely uncomfortable to put down my pen in a way that the tip is facing left. It's far more natural to flip the back end over and put it down with my index finger and thumb, with the point facing to the right.

#144 to #137 - usmcmattymers

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(12/18/2016)[-]

The more I look at the picture the more I think this person is right handed. Look at the glasses, they are on the right side of the paper; as if they were taken off with the right hand and set there, like a right handed person. Maybe the pistol is a left handed pistol?

#180 to #144 - emiyashirou

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(12/18/2016)[-]

I'm right handed and I always remove my glasses with my left hand, so you can't really assume that.

#302 to #38 - iamnuff

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(12/18/2016)[-]

Also, the gun is in her right hand, but the gunshot came from her left.

Unless she had her back to the window, but then she'd be facing away from both the ashtray and the note, AND she'd have to do a 180-flip before hitting the ground.

She was shot from the wrong side for it to be suicide.