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User avatar #2 - konradkurze
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(12/26/2013) [-]
of course jewish speilberg wanted to ********* germany for free
User avatar #28 to #2 - reginleif
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Germany was kinda ******* evil you know? ^^

All I'm trying to say is that if rl content was worse than the movie, then it isn't ***********.
User avatar #47 to #28 - konradkurze
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germany did some evil but not as bad as the allies claimed it to be
User avatar #54 to #47 - reginleif
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Turning people into soap, and using them as a starving labor force is still pretty bad. My point was that the List could not have portrayed the German horrors , therefore it isn't "**** talking".

Yes, the Allies were bad, yes the Soviets killed more of their own people, but it's very hard to exaggerate a holocaust.
User avatar #56 to #54 - konradkurze
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(12/27/2013) [-]
well its been proven by a jewish historian Raul Hilberg that there was no 6 million, at worst it was 2.8 million and even then that number is based upon mostly just persons listed as missing, and presumed dead

socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/jewish-estimate-sees-number-of-holocaust-dead-drop-to-2-8-million/

the only reason his work has been kept in the dark is because if it becomes public knowledge the holocaust wasnt as bad as the media claims, then the zionists have less power to hold the stolen land in palestine, and the allies will look bad for having lied
User avatar #85 to #56 - fuckyeahxd
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it's 6 milion people not 6 million jews.... you are right, "only" 3 milion jews died but please don't forget about the gay,ill and other's who also were killed in those camps.
User avatar #89 to #85 - konradkurze
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(12/27/2013) [-]
yeah the homosexuals didnt deserve that....and people of curable sicknesses didnt

the mentally ill did because theyre just a burden on the state
#67 to #56 - perdition
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Because you can always trust a Wordpress link.
User avatar #70 to #67 - konradkurze
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oh ive checked several other sites and they all say similar things, that it wasnt 6 million,....hell zionists were already speaking about 6 million dead back in 1942 even before the killings got started properly, they had the number all ready to throw out there and take advantage of the public's shock that genocide was happening that they'd accept any number of 'dead' given to them
User avatar #71 to #70 - perdition
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Just for the purpose of getting the Israeli land back?
User avatar #72 to #71 - konradkurze
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well it was never 'just israeli' land, it was always shared land, between jew and muslim, hence why both jews and arabs are under the term 'semite'

just the zionists arent real great at sharing so have everyone convinced only jews are semites and that the land belongs 'just to them'
User avatar #74 to #72 - perdition
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But why would they exaggerate it to such an extent, as you say, before the killing even happened? The slaughter was huge enough. There's no purpose to blowing the numbers out of proportion.
User avatar #76 to #74 - konradkurze
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well its been said because six is a sacred number to jews, so they just went with six million

some zionists wanted to pump it up as a variable of 6-11 million dead, but by and large they stayed at 6
User avatar #78 to #76 - perdition
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(12/27/2013) [-]
I skimmed the article, and it didn't seem to give much backup for these claims. Holocaust denials have been vast and widespread, so how is it known that the numbers were concocted?
User avatar #79 to #78 - konradkurze
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(12/27/2013) [-]
well Raul has studied the documents of the holocaust for 35 years, and the more information he found the lower his death count went

then again....alot of the 'dead' were based off simple missing persons records...so of that 2.8 million a modest part of that were not killed, just missing, which happened alot with names getting mixed up, people changing names or giving false ones, jews getting migrated out with false papers...or even something like over at ellis island, didnt americans forcefully change foreigners names to 'americanize' them
User avatar #80 to #79 - perdition
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It is impossible to ascertain how many people were slaughtered in the Holocaust. Keep in mind, the number of those killed was not exclusive to Jews; it also included . I'm not saying I agree with you, and frankly I think it's absurd to get nitpicky about how many human beings were killed. The denials of its existence and how many people were killed are widespread and regardless of truth, a lot of ******* people died. Demonizing the Jews or Zionists only perpetuates the hate, and according to the article, that is their fuel. So why provide it? It's self-defeating if you hate the Jews for using hate as their propellant.
User avatar #83 to #80 - konradkurze
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well thats just it, theres no real evidence to support who died and who just disappeared, so its pretty stupid people bleating 'six million jews died' when theres no conclusive proof

it wasnt just jews being killed, and given the way paperwork could easily be forged, the accuracy of the historical records is dubious

i dont hate jews, and zionists are just a religious/political group....kinda like how one could like white people but hate the WBC or KKK...
User avatar #86 to #83 - perdition
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It's also pretty stupid spitting out random numbers like 2.8 million when there is no conclusive proof either. 6 million people dead isn't so much a statistic, I don't think, because, we can agree, there's no way to count. It's closure. We're lost if mankind decides to destroy itself and there are no numbers at the end, because we can't grasp the depravity of that kind of genocide.

The forgery of documents? Really? The stability of original documents is the only source we have to go on, besides eyewitness accounts, in a historical setting. If we believe documents are forged, then we cannot trust any document, thus we cannot trust any account, and history becomes meaningless. It undermines the validity of the study itself. So the forgery of documents is really pushing it. Also, like I said, there's no purpose to it.

No, I'm not saying you hate Zionists or Jews, but you are villainizing them. I just don't see the purpose of saying that these people (historically hated) made up the whole Holocaust statistic. What purpose does it have?
User avatar #87 to #86 - konradkurze
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well to say 2.8 million has meant that in the 35 years of research he managed to sort out a number of the reported dead and cut it down quite a bit

the so-called eyewitness accounts can only report small numbers and they just accepted that other counts they know nothing about must be 'true' because they couldnt prove otherwise at the time....kinda like voting,..the average person has no idea who voted for whom in the next town so they just accept the figures the 'experts' tell them are true

the very root of the word history is 'His Story' as in the version of events the most dominant power says happened, there is that old saying "history is written by the victor'

i dont need to villainize zionists, theyre doing an a-grade job themselves with their own genocide of the palestinians
User avatar #93 to #87 - perdition
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Right, but it's not established. Raul Hilberg is not the end-all of the Holocaust.

Yeah, history is very subjective, I'm not arguing about that. But the Greek root of history is "inquiry" or "knowledge through investigation." So, to investigate to gain knowledge of the past, credible sources need to be established. Documents.

Man, your political opinion is blurring lines here. We can argue about Palestine vs. Israel all day long (both are blowing each other up in equal number), but to blame an entire people group for something that isn't even proven is hard to effectively put across. The bottom line is that we're all people, humans stuck on a rock trying to find meaning in the world, capable of amazing and awful things. Jews get slaughtered, Jews cause a genocide, Germans get slaughtered, Germans cause a genocide, Hutus get slaughtered, Hutus cause a genocide, etc.

I may disagree with you, konradkurze, but I appreciate your conversation. You're a gentleman, and I appreciate your friendly tone and interesting views. It's been good chatting with you. Just let me conclude with this: the Holocaust was a brutal and unforgiving time, for many different people groups and the individuals who are included. Regardless of statistics, it remains a mystery how one man was able to manipulate and orchestrate the demise of millions of people, and ultimately brings our own nature into introspection. Are we capable of destruction like that?

You stay classy, konradkurze.
User avatar #96 to #93 - konradkurze
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(12/27/2013) [-]
*facepalm*
im not blaming an entire people, zionists are not a race, theyre a minority group of rather right-wing ideals, similar in their ideals of nationalism and superiority of their people as the nazis were

whites, semites, arabs, hispanics, asians, native siberians/canadians/americans
we're all human so its ****** up most wars have been humans fighting humans
and the only ones benefiting from it are the rich who continue the old imperial ideals of bleeding the loser dry for wealth as a mark of their dominance over them


myself and a couple others pieced together a logical ideal of ww2, ill post that on your profile..\
been good chatting with an open minded person, would be good to chat more another time, im rather tired of the other fj'ers who think preaching 'historical facts' rather than listening to outside opinions
User avatar #16 to #2 - trivdiego
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I think the point was that he turned down money, despite the fact that he was Jewish
User avatar #26 to #16 - Lambda
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I dont think he actually turned it down. he just didn't use it for personal reasons. Didn't he use the funds to make a some other similar documentaries?
#12 - hideyoshi
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(12/27/2013) [-]
after watching Alien- "the lone survivor was Ripley, believe it or not!"
#65 to #12 - androiddxx
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#22 to #12 - evebishop
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Well played....
User avatar #13 to #12 - ripley
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Indeed i were.
#8 - pappathethird
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(12/26/2013) [-]
Actually the entire movie Jurassic Park was unscripted. They simply gathered some dinosaur DNA, revived several extinct species, threw them in a theme park along with some people for them to chase and let the camera roll
#10 to #8 - anon id: d8621ca7
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oh wow dint see this original comment coming from a mile away.
User avatar #39 to #10 - pappathethird
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(12/27/2013) [-]
I just wanted to be popular
#55 to #39 - hurzg
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(12/27/2013) [-]
But now you are a faggot.
User avatar #29 to #8 - mrepicllort
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Is it just me, or is this starting to get old?
User avatar #50 to #29 - symmiie
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(12/27/2013) [-]
It's been old for a long time.
#38 to #29 - frenchpride
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it got old the first time it was introduced, you faggots just don't when to quit
#23 - evebishop
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(12/27/2013) [-]
I love these kind of posts...
I love these kind of posts...
#31 to #23 - kaycie
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(12/27/2013) [-]
dat animation
dat animation
User avatar #4 - vpngtn
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(12/26/2013) [-]
One flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest is both sad and messed up. I recommend watching it.
User avatar #6 to #4 - trojanmannn
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(12/26/2013) [-]
favorite movie
User avatar #75 to #4 - damianblu
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I'm not saying it to be like "Oh the book is better and movies always suck" and ****, but the book is completely amazing. It really puts you there and it's one of my favorite books of all time.

If you liked the movie, you'll LOVE the book. Read it sometime friend.
User avatar #98 to #75 - vpngtn
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sure thing, ill read it when i find it.
#42 - cartoonbacon
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MFW trying to read this.
#92 to #42 - anon id: 4684113d
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(12/27/2013) [-]
fag
User avatar #109 to #42 - Hokum [OP]
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(12/29/2013) [-]
sorry about that :/
#48 - bigblamo
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(12/27/2013) [-]
or you know, Jarvis was the butlers name to begin with.
#52 to #48 - dontknowmeatall
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Just a rather very intelligent servant.
User avatar #66 to #52 - bigblamo
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he's not intelligent. he betrayed the avengers a few times. someone who does that doesn't sound intelligent to me.
User avatar #69 to #66 - cumfartz
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(12/27/2013) [-]
the avengers were crooks and they were corrupt as ****. You should know that since you're read the comics
User avatar #88 to #69 - bigblamo
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(12/27/2013) [-]
not all of them.
User avatar #99 to #88 - cumfartz
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(12/27/2013) [-]
pretty much everyone except Hulk and CA as far as I remember
User avatar #100 to #99 - bigblamo
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well when the civil war came around the avengers were basically no more.
User avatar #101 to #100 - cumfartz
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I like you
#102 to #101 - bigblamo
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(12/27/2013) [-]
I like you
I like you
User avatar #103 to #102 - cumfartz
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do you like deadpool?
User avatar #110 to #103 - bigblamo
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(12/29/2013) [-]
i use to but since the internet got ahold of him hes brcoming annoying
User avatar #111 to #110 - cumfartz
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(12/30/2013) [-]
I tend to ignore that and just read the comics. Deadpool X is very good
User avatar #32 - nuclearderp
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Apparently the scene in Django Unchained when Leo cuts his hand (he slams his hand on the table, smashing a glass) was a real cut. He then played in character, even wiping his blood on broomhilda's face, so it was probably real shock on her face.
User avatar #36 to #32 - vatra
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Yup, he needed quite a few stitches.
#24 - godtherapist
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(12/27/2013) [-]
Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg