Letter to Congress. This sums it up pretty nicely. If you're of voting age, please vote for basically anyone who isn't already in Congress.. Dear Members of Con congress Government shutdown Letter
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User avatar #3 - Jabberwocky (10/16/2013) [-]
As much as I want Congress to be throw into the Sun, nothing is going to change in 2014 because people will vote along party lines and blame the other party for everything.
#5 to #3 - flyslasher (10/16/2013) [-]
Voting along party lines stopped quite a while ago.
User avatar #6 to #5 - Jabberwocky (10/16/2013) [-]
How so?
#7 to #6 - flyslasher (10/16/2013) [-]
Parties have lost a good bit power as compared to the old days. There's a few reasons, but one of the big reasons is the modernization of communication.

People used to have to rely on their parties to get political information, but now many people are able to do their own research on the internet and make their own informed decisions.

You might argue the fact that the presidential election is ALMOST always between Republicans and Democrats and almost never a third party, but that's just how the system was created; to limit radical changes in ideas( from the populace ) to be directly translated to politics and legislation.
User avatar #75 to #7 - ompalomper (10/16/2013) [-]
a few things

political information is STILL subjective no matter where you got it from. all matter of official media is more in favour of one party over the other. it is in the us, it is where i live: sweden. the political information you get is always aimed to make one party look bad and denying this is a bit naive. plus, people are simply to dumb to fgure out the info for themselves. yes, an individual might get a good view of the whole picture but the people won't.

politics (to the extreme in the us but also here in sweden) are nowadays either a or b. most people couldn't answer the question about what differ the two parties on the less popular political topics. the people are feed the latest scandals, figure that since a is the elected party at the time it must be their fault and stare dumbly as the two representatives either explain how the problem will get fixed it throw as much dirt on the other as possible.

there was one time that the us actually had a third party that mattered. the green party under Ralph Nader. he tried, by god, he stood against a 5 feet thick brick wall and he tried to bring it down for the good of amreica. and what ******* happened? after it was made clear that the man would get an actual piece of the votes the democrate asked/demanded that he would quit and ask his voters to vote for the democrats. and when he refused the ridiculous request and the republicans won they started a thing called "thank you Nader for G.W bush".

my conclution? the entire system suffers from the planets worst case of "fat cat" syndrome and what is truly ******* needed is someone standing up to them and wining or the people taking the power and showing their displeasure by refusing to vote on election day.

this however is impossible and you know what? i have come to terms with that. the people are mindless sheep, the politics are no longer about the better future but about your party winning the next election.

there is truly no ******* point anymore.
User avatar #225 to #75 - vigilum ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
It's better to actively vote for no-one than just not voting, because it won't get stamped as laziness.
User avatar #77 to #75 - ompalomper (10/16/2013) [-]
this however. this is something i would stand behind if i was american. THIS is what is needed
User avatar #190 to #7 - wimwam (10/16/2013) [-]
That doesn't make sense. An independent almost won for presidency in 1912. Now, it isn't even considered possible. If the two party system would dissolve, a lot more would get done.
User avatar #8 to #7 - minorian ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
Blue pilled.
User avatar #246 to #3 - threeeighteen (10/16/2013) [-]
Two party systems are like a endemic plague.
User avatar #256 to #3 - yuukoku (10/16/2013) [-]
While there's fault on both sides, neither of them will be taking responsibility for those faults.
User avatar #40 to #3 - hawaiianhappysauce (10/16/2013) [-]
The incumbents usually win the elections (90% rate) because of gerrymandering. The districts are designed so that it's easy for most of the representatives to get reelected due to party affiliation. And flyslasher is wrong. Having easier accessible information isn't going to force the low information voters to READ. Also, usually the media is associated with a political party, therefore most articles are megaphone for a particular party. Also, a lot of people make their own decisions based on very few facts. For example, the religious nuts voting republican because democrats are pro choice, or young stupid kids voting democrat because they think corporations are evil. I doubt more than 20% of the american population actually watch the primary / general debates.
User avatar #31 - infinitereaper (10/16/2013) [-]
Try and run a movement with this instead of posting it on the internet and we might actually get somewhere.
#33 to #31 - stratotastic (10/16/2013) [-]
Posting it on the internet can't hurt.
User avatar #49 to #33 - infinitereaper (10/16/2013) [-]
true enough
User avatar #281 to #49 - sweatymannipple (10/16/2013) [-]
The internet is the most powerful source of collaboration that can reach across millions of peoples, who can then collaborate with one another. Posting it on funnyjunk, however, won't accomplish anything haha
User avatar #320 to #281 - kaosxrocker (10/17/2013) [-]
I'll be honest, this was the only place I thought of to get a large amount of exposure lol. 43,000 people saw it, which isn't a huge percentage of the population, but I was kinda using it as a hub for people to share it.
User avatar #341 to #320 - sweatymannipple (10/17/2013) [-]
Yeah, but half of those probably can't vote; due to non-american residency, or young age. Number of people that the letter targets that read this is probably around 10,000 which I guess is still a pretty good amount, but maybe not enough
#44 - solitaryweasel (10/16/2013) [-]
Should have voted better.
Should have voted better.
#299 to #44 - fiskars ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
Voting doesn't even matter. Obama wasn't elected, he was appointed.
#32 - xsist (10/16/2013) [-]
Yeah, a new election is Totally gonna solve the problem.
#59 to #32 - kanedam (10/16/2013) [-]
people just dont understand the basic problem behind the situation...
new elections, sure... thats gonna get the problem fixed.
#51 - mrbobert (10/16/2013) [-]

Let's not forget that there's plenty of blame to go around. There's someone else who won't negotiate. Not saying either side isn't wrong, because Congress_ did_ make sure they were immune to it.

But so did he.

My dad's an FAA employee, and he gets no paycheck but has no leave. House payment is due today, and we haven't any money, so I can imagine how this is effecting, say, mailmen.

Bring on the red thumbs.
#57 to #51 - turbanmasher (10/16/2013) [-]
The us post office isnt affected cause they make they're own money, from what i heard
#61 to #57 - kanedam (10/16/2013) [-]
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#70 to #68 - kanedam (10/16/2013) [-]
oh you...
#72 to #70 - mrbobert (10/16/2013) [-]
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User avatar #78 to #57 - berbear (10/16/2013) [-]
My mom is a postal carrier, I can confirm that they are not affected.
User avatar #69 to #51 - EpicWin (10/16/2013) [-]
Except Congress makes the laws and makes the budget. The president does truly have a part in this except for a sort of spokes person for the democrats.
#71 to #69 - mrbobert (10/16/2013) [-]
But it is his bill that he (and therefore, his party) refuses to negotiate over.
User avatar #130 to #71 - chuckstein (10/16/2013) [-]
It's his bill that was passed fairly 3 years ago.
User avatar #89 to #71 - voltkills ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
yes but dont forget its a bill that has already legally passed that the republicans are trying to change. obama should not have to negotiate since its already passed.
User avatar #259 to #89 - zendir (10/16/2013) [-]
Well that bill is totally useless it puts us under the government, they work for us not the other way around. It is in no way a good bill, the costs for families is higher than what you can get from your employer. The whole thing is meant to fail so that we have to move it to single payer, hello dictatorship good by "free" America
User avatar #352 to #259 - voltkills ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
i think you dropped your foil hat.
User avatar #36 - badgerclan (10/16/2013) [-]
That's a nice letter. I'm sure it makes whoever wrote it feel like they're the head of some massive movement that will actually have some result other than momentarily riling up some of the people who see it on the internet.
#114 - csinator (10/16/2013) [-]
We the People
We the People
#240 - certifiedidiot (10/16/2013) [-]
Too bad they get donations from big companies, making them their employers as well.
User avatar #253 to #240 - trollmobile (10/16/2013) [-]
yes... "donations"
User avatar #63 - malific (10/16/2013) [-]
This would work.. Except so many people will simply vote for the same person they always vote for.
User avatar #84 to #63 - sketchE ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
or no one will vote. most elections for congress alone only have a 30% turn out
User avatar #88 to #84 - malific (10/16/2013) [-]
same over all result though
User avatar #90 to #88 - sketchE ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
wed never know. most of the elections are close as it is and are constantly going back and fourth imagine a few million more votes on the table?the election this year was close and 100,000,000 people didnt vote. a third of the country didnt give their say on who was president. just imagine if we could bump election turnout to 75% then wed really see the will of the people.
User avatar #92 to #90 - malific (10/16/2013) [-]
#296 - makemeasmich (10/17/2013) [-]
i propose someone gives congress half an hour to make a plan and follow through with it, and if nothing happens then everyone gets a giant black dildo shoved up their ass
#74 - recentstoner (10/16/2013) [-]
2nd American Revolution
User avatar #23 - nigalthornberry (10/16/2013) [-]
People seem to think its one side or the other on whose fault this is
to be honest its both sides completely neither side would compromise out of fear of showing that they're losing power or because they're stubborn asses
#164 to #15 - ohemgeezus (10/16/2013) [-]
holy **** that video is the reason our government is so ****** .
User avatar #262 to #164 - davidispissed (10/16/2013) [-]
i know right?
#10 - unmort (10/16/2013) [-]

Maybe you should read this.....
#43 to #10 - jedimindtrcks (10/16/2013) [-]
Welcome to Obama's world!
User avatar #163 to #10 - retardedboss (10/16/2013) [-]
Were the democrats being stubborn? Yeah, but that doesn't mean the Republicans were any more in the right.

The law passed. Cutting funding from just that law is childish. Instead of just saying "Your law is stupid you can't have money for it" they could have negotiated. But that just can't happen.

Our system is ****** . And I don't mean that in an 8th grader I'm so edgy kind of way. The way voting districts are manipulated so you have one demographic you have to worry about means that congressmen can get re-elected without having to compromise on their own personal beliefs. We end up with a congress full of people far left and far right, and there is no middle ground. The people in congress (much to the contrary of popular belief) are not idiots. They know what they are doing. Some may legitimately want to help, but most seem only after a position of power.

I don't see the problem getting fixed any time soon, either. The only people who can stop the districting issues are the people that directly benefit from it, so it's never gonna happen.
#349 to #10 - unmort (10/17/2013) [-]
I mean I was drunk when I posted this... But yeah.. What that guy said.
User avatar #13 to #10 - edwardyeap (10/16/2013) [-]

I thought it automatically goes in between the square brackets and you can type immediately?
User avatar #175 to #10 - frycook (10/16/2013) [-]
Maybe you should understand that the main reason the government essentially is put on "pause" is that many Republicans don't like Obamacare. Simple as that. Now, Obamacare is flawed, in a few ways, but down the road, it will be good for the American people. Parties clashed the exact same way when Medicare and Social Security were introduced. Now, at the time, certain people were saying how Medicare and Social Security were going to cause the American government to fall apart, well, basically go bankrupt, but down the road, a.k.a. present day, they are revered as very smart and refined systems. Again, Obamacare does need to be fixed a bit, but what the Republican party has essentially done is taken the Government hostage. Many Republicans in the the house are against "big" government in general. This means, the government that they are taking hostage, our government, they truly don't care about as much as other citizens. This is a problem. The reason that the Republicans have tried to reinstate government funding, except for Obamacare, is so that they look good. Well, if you look back in time, the party that introduced Social Security and Medicare were the Democrats. A lot of politics is how you are viewed by the people voting for you and the people paying you. Some of the Republicans are too afraid to go against party lines to support Obamacare because they know they will be crucified for it.

TLDR; republicans are tired of being whipped around and don't like obamacare cause its good/democrats came up with it
User avatar #362 to #175 - commontroll (10/18/2013) [-]
Well, to be fair, they are making the government go bankrupt. But it's handled by the states, that's why California is going tits up, while Texas not so much.
User avatar #45 to #10 - MuahahaOfLore (10/16/2013) [-]
can anyone rebutt this point?
User avatar #67 to #45 - meganinja (10/16/2013) [-]
I can try. One of Obama's main policies before entering office was getting Obamacare passed. Everybody knew that. He wasn't trying to hide it. People voted for him based off of his policies, and guess what, he won the election. The people want what he promised. The Republicans stubbornly refusing funding of Obamacare after it's already even been passed into law is completely ignoring the will of the people. Also, as it was Obama's main policy to get Obama care going, of course he's not going to abandon it. It was a contributor to him winning the election, it's what the people wanted. If he let it drop he would be ignoring the wishes of the people of the United States of America.

Not that I agree with Obamacare, but I feel that in this case the Republicans are acting like sore losers.
User avatar #101 to #67 - commontroll (10/16/2013) [-]
I know I disagree with it, because it's not a good system. It's not what everybody thinks it is. Not to mention, the sheer size of the budget. There's definitely other things that can be cut back, but socialized healthcare (that's not actually coming out of the government's pocket for the most part) should not make up 1/6 of the budget.
User avatar #127 to #101 - daisuke (10/16/2013) [-]
you americans are so used to ur system and so egoistic. what you dont realise is that for a country to be successful you need a more even distribution of money and education. call me a communist im just a swedish citizen.
User avatar #135 to #127 - commontroll (10/16/2013) [-]
Since when was I being egotistic? It's not social health care like in other nations. It's simply making employers pay for employees' health insurance (not just major corporations either.) and making it so if you don't choose to get health insurance you have to pay extra taxes.

Now why should that take up one sixth of the budget? That's not even getting at the root of the problem, which is that insurance companies and hospitals are in an arms race due to insurance companies haggling down the prices to 30% the listed cost. That's why being administered a dosage of two regular Advil capsules will cost 120 bucks. It's a ****** bill, that's why I don't support it. If it was just taking more taxes from everybody, and using that to pay for everybody's healthcare, I'd be okay with that.
User avatar #131 to #127 - skidz (10/16/2013) [-]
that's right your a Swedish citizen, and not an American. I don't tell you how your country should work don't tell me how mine should.
User avatar #133 to #131 - daisuke (10/16/2013) [-]
well just compare our countries, but i guess u dont know **** about sweden.
User avatar #147 to #133 - skidz (10/16/2013) [-]
You are correct as of now Sweden is doing well financially, but let's take a look at population sizes between the two countries.
Sweden 9.517 million (2012)
United States of America 313.9 million (2012)

I happen to like Sweden its where my heritage is from, their system just doesn't work for the US
#263 - XboxJunky (10/16/2013) [-]
All the way from the east to the west we got this high society looking down on their very foundation, constantly reminding us that our actions are the cause of all their problems. Pointing their fingers in every direction, blaming their own nation for who wins elections. They never contributed a ******* thing to the country they love to criticize.
#273 to #263 - foreversevenfold (10/16/2013) [-]
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
#129 - batwill **User deleted account** (10/16/2013) [-]
The problem is that, while Congress as a whole has an approval rating in the single digits, people love their individual representatives and keep voting for them. This happens in every district, so no big changes ever happen. The TL;DR of this discussion, is "your representative is probably part of the problem; go educate yourself and vote!"   
Pizza gif because pizza is good.
The problem is that, while Congress as a whole has an approval rating in the single digits, people love their individual representatives and keep voting for them. This happens in every district, so no big changes ever happen. The TL;DR of this discussion, is "your representative is probably part of the problem; go educate yourself and vote!"

Pizza gif because pizza is good.
#144 to #129 - underthetable (10/16/2013) [-]
Oh man pizza sounds so good right now, and i just got paid today. son of a...I want pizza now.
#148 to #144 - batwill **User deleted account** (10/16/2013) [-]
Well welcome to my world, because I always want pizza.
#154 to #148 - underthetable (10/16/2013) [-]
Yeah and i'm single again so I can eat WHATEVER I WANT!
Yeah and i'm single again so I can eat WHATEVER I WANT!
User avatar #157 to #129 - herecomesjohnny (10/16/2013) [-]
**** you i'm hungry now and wanna order pizza at midnight
User avatar #85 - sketchE ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
why wait? everyone frome every state get a petition for a special election going and have their asses out now
#166 to #85 - noschool ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
>implying an election would solve anything
User avatar #203 to #166 - sketchE ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
if its done properly and all the people who signed the petition go out and vote then something has to happen. if nothing the congressman will fear for their jobs
#271 to #203 - noschool ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
that is true, if a large number did sign a petition something may happen, but the key word is "if", because we can barely get 50% of the country to go and vote for the presidential election, and the congressional turnout is even less( i think it's like 40% but i could be wrong). That shows you just how motivated people are for political change, every two years people have the chance to vote for a representative and 1/3 have the chance to vote for a senator and many don't. This political apathy is a big obstacle we have, so sure a petition is an interesting idea but i would bet money that it will never be anything more than an idea; and i'm not a betting man.
User avatar #354 to #271 - sketchE ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
and thats exactly right. the problem with the country isnt the system. its the people who are supposed to be in control of the system us. so many people will go to the poles and make a joke out of it and even more wont even vote. thats why we have a bunch of senators that want to cater to old people because old people are the only ones voting say its an easy meal ticket for them
#359 to #354 - noschool ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
if you agree that their is a problem with the voters, i don't see how you could think any petition for any vote would solve anything because the same people who voted in the current congress last year would be the same people voting for similar types of candidates that they voted for last year. Unfortunately a lot of the population is apathetic and those who aren't are pretty unshakable in their political beliefs so i doubt many would change in one year. it would take something on the scale of the great depression for a large amount of the population to vote and to vote differently.
User avatar #360 to #359 - sketchE ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
the point of the petition is to find people who disagree with the people in office and then ensure they vote. no ones going to force a special election if they like the people in office and the petition is pointless if the people who signed it arent willing to go vote
#361 to #360 - noschool ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
but it's not like people who dislike the government can't vote, there just isn't that many. if their were a large number who disliked congress they would have voted last year and changed something. People who don't like the government generally vote, petition, and spread the word for others to vote because they want political change and obviously a large number of people in the country are either content with the current government or the government hasn't done anything to directly hinder their life so they don't care. you can't look at a country that has an abysmal voter turnout and say that country has a large population that wants political change and is willing to something about it (like a petition), that makes no sense. I mean the bare minimum people have to do if they dislike the current leaders is go out and vote for a different guy once every two years and many choose to not even do that, so I doubt you'd get the support for another election if most don't even vote in the general election.
User avatar #367 to #361 - sketchE ONLINE (10/18/2013) [-]
the problem is people are uneducated. during the last election the term "lesser of two evils"was thrown around like it was a solid fact that there were only two candidates for president. many people will say my vote doesnt matter because im only one person. my friedn cared so little about the actual results that he wrote his girlfriend in as president. you are correct on the apathy part but there are so many people in this country that will complain about whats going on then when its time to change it they make excuses not in reality we live in a great nation at least to the point no one feels the need to change it. in college i was introduced to the term those under the boot never get out. basicly those who are truly oppressed never try to change and just accept whats going happening as something they cant change. in the US its the opposite we haveso much freedom we complain about it. one of my coworkers really pissed me off today when he said he hated the gop for starting a government shutdown. little did he know that if the shutdown hadnt occured we would have defaulted on our loans and the global economy would have been thrown into turmoil. its stuff like that that shows that while apathy is a problam ignorance is causing a bigger one
#50 - rollilho (10/16/2013) [-]
why is this on this website and not being shown to someone whos actually in congress?
#161 to #50 - noschool ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
because normally when you have a problem with someone, like your boss, you talk to someone further up the chain of command about the problem if talking to your boss didn't solve anything, and since the u.s citizens choose the congressmen we are technically their "superiors"
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User avatar #100 - jewsburninindaoven (10/16/2013) [-]
It's the Republicans in Congress's fault. Democrats (and many Republicans except for Ted Cruz) in Senate did what they should have which was not responding to what was essentially terrorism. The Republicans flat out said that if the Senate would not defund Obamacare that they would shut down the government. Don't blame all republicans, just the ones in the House that backed Boehner. Oh, and Ted Cruz. Whatever your opinion is on Obamacare, it was passed by our government through the democratic process and you cannot take the government hostage because you disagree with it. They have no respect for our government and honestly believe a default is worse than Obamacare.
User avatar #122 to #100 - themastermorris (10/16/2013) [-]
While it was the republicans who initiated the shutdown, I still don't think the democrats would be any better if they let the country default, which is going to happen tomorrow
User avatar #138 to #122 - yusay ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
It's over, actually.
User avatar #140 to #138 - themastermorris (10/16/2013) [-]
Really? Did they agree upon something?
User avatar #158 to #140 - yusay ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
Republicans backed down and only got the ability to strictly monitor the income of those seeking taxpayer subsidies under Obamacare, and the treasury department can continue to borrow money until mid-February.
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User avatar #191 to #100 - validlikesalad (10/16/2013) [-]
You neglect to see the fact that regardless of who exactly started it, both sides are/were arguing and being stubborn as hell. Neither agreed with anything the other said literally because they were from the other party. That's how it's been and how it will be forever, it was just flat out extreme now. Long story short, both sides were refusing to agree, so both are at fault for holding the United States so close to the proverbial fire that is our nation's debt. As I read what was said by yusay, it's over now, and the Republicans were the ones to back down and sacrifice their wishes for the good of the nation. I'm not happy that they started it, but they earned a bit back from me for ending it.

The lesson to be learned here is that engaging in the argument is just as bad as, if not worse than, starting it.
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