Let me send thsi to the government. . When Students cheat on exams it' s because our School System values grades more than Students value learning. M MIT atr II


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#8 - Jameshaich (10/15/2013) [-]
I cheated in 2 of my exams because they placed me in the wrong class and refused to allow me to change it.
#17 - mattdoggy (10/15/2013) [-]
I had to cheat my way through a Spanish class once.
I got through two years of Spanish and couldn't even ask for a glass of water if my life depended on it.
I accidentally added it onto a resume and had to be the bilingual translator for our company for a half year
#30 to #17 - swordwoman (10/15/2013) [-]
I cheated on all my Spanish exams ... And well, cheated on every exam and test.. Got my degree now.

By cheating.
User avatar #117 to #17 - sonnyboii (10/15/2013) [-]
Im on my last year of highschool, and i have grade 2 french and i have no idea what the **** im doing.
#228 to #17 - willypmedina ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
Disculpe, me podrías regalar un vaso de agua y penetrarme el ano con un consolador de dragon
User avatar #270 to #17 - chezburgadominator (10/16/2013) [-]
This is my situation in Spanish 5 this year, my teacher has no control over class. Any suggestions?
#285 to #17 - anon (10/16/2013) [-]
This reminds me of the fml post where a guy was talking about how he applied for a job and said he was fluent in spanish, but the company gave the job to the bosses son who also said he was fluent in spanish. Turns out the son couldn't speak one word worth of spanish, and used google translate for everything.......

Just thinking about that I wanted to say.... You are a clever little **** . Clever. But still little **** . Shame on your trickery. Its amazing you didn't get caught, but still.... your a little **** .
User avatar #26 to #17 - thebannedzombie (10/15/2013) [-]
Agua porfavor. Mui rapido. Es mui importante.
User avatar #38 to #26 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
#75 to #38 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
How could I resist Replying here because I can't reply below anymore.
#76 to #75 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
Oh. OOOH. Gonna tell my gf. She's being dumped tonight. Love me.
#79 to #76 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
Loving you
Loving you
User avatar #80 to #79 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
Good night. Gotta go.
#81 to #80 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
See you around.
User avatar #46 to #38 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
Don't forget it's "por favor"
User avatar #47 to #46 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
Oh **** . Didn't see it.
Also, when I say that out loud it doesn't really sound correct in my head. Dunno why.
User avatar #49 to #47 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
That happens to me too. It still sounds wrong to me the word "indefensión", no matter how many times do I hear/read it.
User avatar #50 to #49 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
I also have 3 natal languages... Spanish, Catalan and English from my father.
User avatar #54 to #50 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
That's a very valuable thing. My only mother language is Spanish and, although I can write English pretty decent, I suck at talking/listening. I wish I could talk a second language as I do with Spanish.
User avatar #55 to #54 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
The problem is that I mix up everything. Once instead of "I" I wrote "y".
User avatar #56 to #55 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
It still happens to me when I write Spanish and English at the same time too. You won't get rid of it.
User avatar #57 to #56 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
I also learned a bit of French in school man. I **** it all up.
User avatar #58 to #57 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
Same here. There was a time in my formation when my level of French (which was much higher than now) and my level of English (which was much lower than now) were similar and I tended to mix up all kind of words.
User avatar #59 to #58 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
Viva la nátion de mesclar everything junto!
User avatar #60 to #59 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
Indeed mi ami.
User avatar #61 to #60 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
Miami playa? Jokes on you, there is actually Miami playa at 20 min from where I live. The Spanish version. The "cutre" one.
User avatar #64 to #61 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
Nothing to be ashamed of. Next to where I live, there's a place called "belle vue" (like "beautiful view") and here, people call it "belví"
User avatar #65 to #64 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
Yeah. Spain.
User avatar #67 to #65 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
Yeah. ¡Viva la incultura!
User avatar #69 to #67 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
¡Y la corrupción! ¡Y la estupidez! ¡Y la cutrez! ¡Y de todo lo malo!
User avatar #71 to #69 - arandomanon (10/15/2013) [-]
Y el orgullo de tener todo. Because Spain is the only country in the world where being more intelligent than the average is a reason to be ashamed of. I feel like I live in a country-sized Springfield.
User avatar #72 to #71 - spainisbad (10/15/2013) [-]
You couldn't have described it more perfectly. Can I marry you?
User avatar #33 to #17 - zzforrest (10/15/2013) [-]
How was it being a translator where you couldn't translate?
User avatar #132 to #33 - mattdoggy (10/15/2013) [-]
I memorized a few key words and used a translator app that i said was a recorder for insurance reasons
Mostly everyone had the same questions and i could just repeat the same answers, but a few people knew i didn't know a lick of spanish
User avatar #74 to #33 - monkeysniper (10/15/2013) [-]
Completely unrelated but, where did you find that gif for your picture?
User avatar #106 to #74 - darkjustifier (10/15/2013) [-]
google "derpy gif mlp"
#53 to #17 - Bobtheblob (10/15/2013) [-]
Are you Peggy Hill?
User avatar #23 to #17 - adu (10/15/2013) [-]
You kept a job you had no qualifications for for 6 months?
User avatar #27 to #23 - dermustang (10/15/2013) [-]
You'd be shocked (or impressed) by how common this type of thing is. I'm not complaining, it means there's still hope for me yet.
User avatar #134 to #23 - mattdoggy (10/15/2013) [-]
Everyone asked the same questions almost and i just learned to say one or two sentences like
"how are we doing today"
"lets get down to it, tell me what your issue is"
"yes sir/ma'am we'll look into that"
"thank you and have a good day"

I actually had a cheat sheet, and used a translator app that did most of the real work for me
#152 to #134 - anon (10/15/2013) [-]
I... I sometimes wish I didn't know things like this.
I'm taking a german course, and I love it. Someday, a kid like you will have a job that he doesn't know how to perform, and I will probably be unemployed.
I'm really scared of ending up unemployed.
User avatar #216 to #152 - toosexyforyou (10/16/2013) [-]
If you major in a language and your job as a translator lasts for 6 months then you've done something wrong.
#29 - jonnythan (10/15/2013) [-]
you know how ******** school is?
I have a heart condition so i can't participate in gym righT?
they excused me from it and gave me a credit.
But i was still supposed to attend, so basically i'd show up to gym fully dressed (not in gym clothes) and sit there like a **** head.
bad, right?

Now get this
next year, i'm taking drivers ED. two weeks into it, they pull me out of it.
why? because i didn't complete GYM.
Even after i explained the situation they wouldn't let me take it.

High school is the biggest waste of time. Run by idiots, for idiots.
User avatar #173 to #29 - bookyle (10/16/2013) [-]
You gotta get into university to learn any real stuff
User avatar #214 to #29 - djequalizee (10/16/2013) [-]
I had heart surgery and had to miss the last 2 months of school and my english teacher stilled failed me because i didn't make up enough work
#215 to #214 - jonnythan (10/16/2013) [-]
i had the same exact situation
except, i made up literally all of the work. (for health)
im not even ************ you, all of it.
turned it in, and she failed me anyway.
Talked to counselour and principle and they did **** all.
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#278 to #29 - andypanda (10/16/2013) [-]
i was doing good last year, high grades and stuff but one morning i forgot to put away my earphones before walking into school
security tried taking it away i said no so they suspend me for a week. come back all grades are F's and i spent the rest of the year getting my grades up and finished with mostly D's when i had A's and B's before the suspension
#1 - jonball ONLINE (10/15/2013) [-]
Well no **** . Cheating is nearly better and more rewarding than actually doing your homework/studying. Unless you got a sense of guilt for cheating (which i don't got).

Studying a subject you got no interest off is off no use, i think most of us can relate.
User avatar #9 to #1 - niggernazi (10/15/2013) [-]
i do never feel guilty at cheating at tests, i am more afraid of the teacher will notice when im cheating
User avatar #25 to #1 - rainbowtacos (10/15/2013) [-]
I've always felt that if I wanted a good grade, I would have to get it myself. Why would I trust some other kid over myself to get the right answer? Or if I'm reading from a book, why can't I just learn it before hand? Plus the negatives of getting caught are much worse than the positives of successfully cheating. Then again, I always liked math and science, and it's hard to cheat in an english class.
User avatar #43 to #1 - alltimetens (10/15/2013) [-]
Disagree completely. What is the point of even going to school if you're not going there to test your knowledge? Me... I prefer actually studying my ass off on weekends and acing exams rather than cheating my way through like a rat. There's no use. I'm not doing it for the grades; I'm doing it for knowledge's sake. That is what really counts.
User avatar #52 to #1 - peanutmonkey (10/15/2013) [-]
Cheating is not more rewarding. It feels a hell of a lot better to earn an A, have knowledge to show for it, and not have to worry about being caught.
#101 to #1 - anon (10/15/2013) [-]
Looks like you need school.
User avatar #105 to #101 - darkjustifier (10/15/2013) [-]
that's the joke he was making
User avatar #131 to #1 - fightforfate (10/15/2013) [-]
i feel gulty about lots of things.
one time i told my teacher i was away from school because i threw up but i actually didn't sleep and i burst into tears in the middle of class.( i was 7)
User avatar #174 to #1 - bookyle (10/16/2013) [-]
What if you didn't like calc? Calc is not of no use, it's used everywhere
#179 to #1 - ncsutroll (10/16/2013) [-]
im with you until the end. I dont give a dead mooses last **** if you aren't interested in math history or science god dammit you need to know the basics
#236 to #1 - airblaze (10/16/2013) [-]
Studying a subject you have no interest is SO useful. For example, a good portion of the American population doesn't care about politics, and yet they're all voting. These people complain about how "the system is broke" and yet they fail to educate themselves on politics before voting, and end up electing politicians that screw the people over.   
tl;dr You never know when knowledge is going to help you unless you learn it.
Studying a subject you have no interest is SO useful. For example, a good portion of the American population doesn't care about politics, and yet they're all voting. These people complain about how "the system is broke" and yet they fail to educate themselves on politics before voting, and end up electing politicians that screw the people over.

tl;dr You never know when knowledge is going to help you unless you learn it.
#296 to #1 - thesinful (10/16/2013) [-]
Guilt? What the **** would I do with that?
User avatar #92 to #1 - colonelblammo (10/15/2013) [-]
Grammar time! Well no **** . Cheating is nearly better and more rewarding than actually doing your homework/studying. Unless you got a sense of guilt for cheating (which I* don't* ).

Studying a subject you have* no interest in* is of* no use, I* think most of us can relate.

Maybe you should study English and your other core classes rather than cheating all the time...
User avatar #218 to #1 - strikingeight (10/16/2013) [-]
Studying is more helpful than cheating in the long run.
#230 to #1 - anon (10/16/2013) [-]
im currently in grade 10 and i want to be an engineer, i mean i love math and i understand it, but my english teacher is a cunt and i hate reading and i just dont have the passion for it. that's why i hate our school system, i wish we could just choose what we want so we can master it and apply it to our future jobs, like why the hell would i need to know how to annotate a short story if i just want to build spaceships to mars
User avatar #2 to #1 - captnnorway (10/15/2013) [-]
>implying you feel any joy from getting a good grade when you cheat. It's just meh, however if you ace a test through hard work it feels awesome.
#108 to #2 - animepost (10/15/2013) [-]
My parents forced me into Med School & I have a 4.0 gpa.   
One day my prof literally told me to stop trying to hard because he could tell I was miserable and that it was okay to be less than perfect.   
I need relief from stress and expectations, I could care less about "feeling awesome".
My parents forced me into Med School & I have a 4.0 gpa.
One day my prof literally told me to stop trying to hard because he could tell I was miserable and that it was okay to be less than perfect.
I need relief from stress and expectations, I could care less about "feeling awesome".
User avatar #284 to #108 - crazyhindu (10/16/2013) [-]
Forced you? couldn't you just idk leave? its not like they say there dragging you to class everyday unless they did for which i'm sorry.
User avatar #3 to #2 - sinery (10/15/2013) [-]
How old are you?
User avatar #4 to #3 - captnnorway (10/15/2013) [-]
User avatar #5 to #4 - sinery (10/15/2013) [-]
Yep, you are not even allowed on this site.
#34 to #5 - anon (10/15/2013) [-]
you 			*******		 faggot.
you ******* faggot.
User avatar #125 to #5 - rokkarokkaali (10/15/2013) [-]
Do you hear that? It's the internet police. They say they don't give a **** .
User avatar #15 to #5 - captnnorway (10/15/2013) [-]
You don't really take any pride in aceing a test when you cheat, do you?
User avatar #24 to #15 - organiclead ONLINE (10/15/2013) [-]
Not pride, but I got plenty of relief from it in high school.
User avatar #16 to #15 - sinery (10/15/2013) [-]
If I could have cheated, I would.
Cheating on a math/physics test was close to damn impossible.
User avatar #18 to #16 - captnnorway (10/15/2013) [-]
I prefer not cheating though. What's the point of achieving something if you didn't do it fair.
User avatar #20 to #18 - sinery (10/15/2013) [-]
Having better grades is always an advantage.
User avatar #21 to #20 - captnnorway (10/15/2013) [-]
I can settle with a grade worse, if it's what I deserve.
User avatar #22 to #21 - sinery (10/15/2013) [-]
See content.
#48 to #16 - anon (10/15/2013) [-]
The **** you talking about, those where the easy ones, however in language and sociology, you might obtain the questions, but you would stille have to answer them yourself.
#201 to #1 - psychosamm (10/16/2013) [-]
I see English is one of the classes you cheated in.
I see English is one of the classes you cheated in.
#299 to #201 - jonball ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
touché, most of my english comes from old school Runescape...
User avatar #44 to #1 - damianblu (10/15/2013) [-]
I've always felt awesome when I cheat on a test and get an A.

It's like.

Aw hell yeah man I'm so good at this stealth **** look at me peeking at everyone around me's papers I'm the ******* champ hell I used 5 different people and got a higher score than all of them.
#130 - helenwheels (10/15/2013) [-]
Whats his point?
User avatar #133 to #130 - bluemoonz ONLINE (10/15/2013) [-]
Kids spend more time trying to memorize **** in a small interval of time worrying about upcoming grades, rather than being interested into the material they're learning.
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#88 - cyborgjunky (10/15/2013) [-]
Oh cool, black space man is coming to my college this November. I hope he talks about space and stars and planet and such.
Oh cool, black space man is coming to my college this November. I hope he talks about space and stars and planet and such.
#136 to #88 - hitro (10/15/2013) [-]
what college are you going to and can i sneak in?
User avatar #137 to #136 - cyborgjunky (10/15/2013) [-]
if you live in florida then **** yeah, ninja-like
User avatar #177 to #137 - averagewhitekid (10/16/2013) [-]
What college?
#138 to #137 - hitro (10/15/2013) [-]
live in maryland but I dont even care, I will walk there.

User avatar #139 to #138 - cyborgjunky (10/15/2013) [-]
aight bro, pm me when you get here.
#217 to #88 - ninootendoo (10/16/2013) [-]
Thought that was a vibrating dildo at first
User avatar #180 to #88 - jackenov **User deleted account** (10/16/2013) [-]
That's odd, he's also coming to my college in Florida this November. November 5th...
User avatar #184 to #180 - cyborgjunky (10/16/2013) [-]
NO WAY DUDE! Go 'Noles.
User avatar #119 to #88 - thegrimgenius (10/15/2013) [-]
You lucky ************ .
User avatar #36 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
Our school system is not broken.

What is broken is society. Morality and a sense of right and wrong.

In high school, I could never understand it. Kids said all the time " I dun gif a fuc." When I finally understood the pidgin english, I realized they didn't care.

I am not spectacular, I worked hard in school, I got good grades. I knew it would pay off in the future, I felt a sense of accomplishment when I got an 'A' on a class, or made the honor roll.

The only ******* difference from me and these ******** kids, is I had a parent who tried.
Who raised me as a friend, but not to a point where I was out of control. There was a mutual respect. And in that, I was taught the right morals and values, and to respect others.

This is not the case for most of my peers. Parents don't think it's their responsibility to teach their kids. Some parents shout and curse and fight around their kids. One could only look at a recent .gif that made it to the front page of a young mother literally throwing her baby so she could go ' **** some bitch up.' Society is degrading. Morality is dead.

Don't blame the ******* system that janteel and shaniqua don'twant to learn algebra. I went through the system, I turned out fine. Everyone could do what I did, try as hard as I tried, if these kids were actually taught the value of hard work and respect by their parents. Instead, they're taught the value of some dank kush, nikes and "cred."

Sex is sensationalized, young mothers are made, and it gets worse. You think kids are bad now? Just ******* wait. 10 years from now you'll want to slit your ******* wrists over how disrespectful and goddamned stupid these little ******* are.

You've probably seen the swaglets by now. Well, that's just the ******* beginning. People who actually give a **** are dying, the government is subsidizing stupidity and laziness. Throwing more money at the problem won't work, either, unless you decide to give a pinch of weed for every A.
#155 to #36 - anon (10/15/2013) [-]
The school system is broken because its grading system assumes that success depends entirely on a person's intelligence and effort. The simple truth is that, no matter what you end up doing, you're never going to use the majority of things you learn in school. A lot of people don't want to be a writer, so they're not going to care about learning how to write beyond what they need to get by in they're future jobs as artists or engineers. Unless they're strongly against cheating, they'll just keep using spark notes and filling they're essays with random BS rather than actually trying to improve themselves. The problem is that grades are worth something outside of school. If they were nothing more than a way for you to assess your abilities, then only people who want to learn would get good grades, because no one else would care.
User avatar #164 to #155 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
Writing is a basic part of life.
Whether it's applying for a loan, applying for ******* anything, or writing a report to your boss, you have to write.
I knew a guy who worked for the police force, he told me that they wished more police officers knew how to write; they'd get reports in with basic grammar mistakes and overall bad writing.

If you're going to be a cashier at mcdonalds you don't need to write, I know. However, if you aspire to be a cashier at McDonalds, you're part of the problem.
User avatar #156 to #36 - staticstork ONLINE (10/15/2013) [-]
I cheat because it's an option. My teachers get their exams from the internet and if they are too lazy to create their own exams then I'm too lazy to study for them. I'll just look up the answers. There isn't a loss of morality, it's the outdated system of education we keep using.

SOLUTION: Reform the entire educational system.
User avatar #159 to #156 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
I'm not suggesting cheating is a result of a lack of morality, I'm suggesting that the education system isn't broken - The grading system is not broken, there is just a lack of good parenting.

If I tell you what I think the real reason it is that you cheat, I'll be considered hostile and thumbed down, so I'll abstain.

Solution: Yes, reform the education system, but don't throw more money at it and don't take pressure off kids or parents. Get better teachers too; many are **** . It's not the "teaching to a test" **** that's the problem.
#167 to #36 - anon (10/16/2013) [-]
And you know, people like you are the reason that this funny picture I wanted to enjoy exists. I smoke weed, that doesn't make me a "swaglet". I did good in high school, and yet I understood why some people didn't enjoy the way school is today. The school system needs to change, it has run its course. Its old. It'll just have to accommodate, make things more interesting. It has to hook people in, make them want to learn it. It can't do that anymore. Don't blame the ******* parents, there's always going to be "good" parents and "bad" parents no matter what, when people starting pointing out a few bad ones it makes it seem a lot worst then it actually is.
User avatar #185 to #36 - zerith (10/16/2013) [-]
And thank god I'm not one of those idiots who doesn't care. I admit that when I come home from school, I wait to do my homework until it's kinda late, but I still find time to finish my homework, since I have time to in school because of my study halls. I still get A's and B's in my classes, (I got all A's and B's last year) and I hope to get the same, if not even better than last year. You're right, it does feel nice to work hard and get A's and B's. (I'm in 10th grade now) and things are going good, much better than middle school cause I didn't really care during then, but I do now, which is good. I don't like hearing from maybe my friends, or some other classmates that they "don't care". They should because it's gonna pay off in the future and they have something to look at and be kinda proud of.
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User avatar #220 to #36 - bomberbib (10/16/2013) [-]
Thanks for taking the time and effort to post that. Could't have put it better myself.
#158 to #36 - speritblood (10/15/2013) [-]
My school uses special needs kids as free janitors
User avatar #161 to #158 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
That's on the administration and that shouldn't be happening.

I'm not saying there aren't things wrong with the education system, I'm just saying that it isn't the fault of the system that Sha Quay Quay don't want to learn no english.
#162 to #161 - speritblood (10/15/2013) [-]
true that

But i also think that teachers should not have tenure because they can get lazy
User avatar #176 to #161 - animalsgreenberet (10/16/2013) [-]
but it does.
User avatar #229 to #158 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
Yep. I see it around my school all the time, pisses me the **** off.
#231 to #229 - speritblood (10/16/2013) [-]
Im starting a protest after wrestling season
User avatar #232 to #231 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
I find that both funny and touching at the same time.
#234 to #232 - speritblood (10/16/2013) [-]
I know
And we can riot and steal
User avatar #78 to #36 - turtletroll (10/15/2013) [-]
I think the point is that teachers are really teaching the kids something they can really use unless it`s what they are going to go on and do. They`re just teaching the grades
User avatar #82 to #78 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
Then we have bad ******* teachers, then.

If you want to send your kid to public school, don't expect the school to shape out a curriculum specifically to your child.

Besides, what kid knows exactly what they want to do in life when they're 10? Hell, what kid knows what they want to do when they're 16?
User avatar #135 to #82 - turtletroll (10/15/2013) [-]
Again its the system that pushes the teachers into just teaching the grades. Their job does depend on it
User avatar #141 to #135 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
How do you suggest a students progress is measured?
User avatar #142 to #141 - turtletroll (10/15/2013) [-]
What i`m trying to say is that they aren`t learning anything but how to pass grades. If the main thing you`re learning is how to do well in a test then what are you really learning
User avatar #143 to #142 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
And kids aren't learning how to do well on a test?

Have you taken an AP course? Teachers teach directly to a test - and the students learn.
User avatar #298 to #36 - DJstar (10/16/2013) [-]
it'snot always the parent to blame moron. sometimes black science man is right!

My girlfriend had the top then grades in the school, and respects and obeys her parents. her sister however is like what the **** . low grades, low test scores, getting secret peircings and getting high. sometimes you can't blame the parents.
#95 to #36 - phantomonkey (10/15/2013) [-]
I need to give you more thumbs!!!
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User avatar #169 to #36 - animalsgreenberet (10/16/2013) [-]
i love you
User avatar #171 to #169 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
User avatar #175 to #171 - animalsgreenberet (10/16/2013) [-]
yes. because you've hit the nail on the head. this is my high school:

everything in that is true for most kids, but not myself and a few others. i worked my ass off, and now i'm an engineering student at marquette. but there were kids that didn't, who failed out of classes as freshman, and who never graduated. hell, three kids died my junior year from drug overdoses, one from ******* heroin. and two kids got arrested for selling heroin. i'm so of the ******* parents who allow it to happen. because all the money those kids spent on drugs came from their parents. and when they died, there were ******* memorials for them. "oh we all miss them, they were great kids". no they weren't they ******* killed themselves on accident.
User avatar #178 to #175 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
That definition must be ironic or something, and I can't ******* tell because I"m tired as **** .

If what you said in your post was true, it's worse than my school - but in only confirms my opinion.

My school kids used to literally torment teachers - it's common for a few of the lowerclassmen teachers to get comments about their wife or sexuality. And it's a charter school.
User avatar #182 to #178 - animalsgreenberet (10/16/2013) [-]
i assure you that definition is accurate.
User avatar #183 to #182 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
Kid's are doing heroin and get cars on their 16th birthday, and it's one of the premiere schools in the nation? The **** ?
User avatar #187 to #183 - animalsgreenberet (10/16/2013) [-]
we had 11 kids get perfect scores on the ACT. we have money to burn, and the teachers give A's to the kids who do sports (everyone) so they can play, regardless of their academic abilities. it's kind of hard to explain, but it exists.
User avatar #249 to #36 - thesoulless (10/16/2013) [-]
>school system
>not broken

I beg to differ.
User avatar #253 to #249 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
Please, go ahead and tell me that I'm wrong and neglect to explain why.
User avatar #282 to #253 - Metallicock (10/16/2013) [-]
Because it doesn't teach the right things
User avatar #258 to #253 - thesoulless (10/16/2013) [-]
I shouldn't need to explain why. It's not exactly a secret that the American school system is broken beyond saving.
User avatar #263 to #258 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
Then what was hte point of commenting? I have had numerous meaningful conversations with people in this particular comment thread discussing otherwise.

You tell me I'm wrong, as if you expect me to go " **** , he's right, I am wrong!" after I have spent a lot of time debating with people more intelligent than you otherwise. Honestly, what did you really expect from my responses?
If you can't support what you're saying with a logical argument, don't bother commenting at all - it's just a waste of time.
User avatar #265 to #263 - thesoulless (10/16/2013) [-]
>more intelligent than you

Big talk coming from someone arguing about politics on FJ
User avatar #266 to #265 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
This isn't politics, this is education and clearly a different issue.

I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore. Clearly you have nothing substantial or interesting to say.
User avatar #283 to #266 - thesoulless (10/16/2013) [-]
>Implying that any discussion pertaining to the methods by which anything is run or organized isn't political.

I think you should reassess yourself before commenting on the intelligence of others.

P.S. I've always wanted to know, what's it like to be euphoric, basking in the glow of your enlightenment and such?
User avatar #306 to #283 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
You've contributed nothing meaningful or interesting. I may be wrong, but at the very least other people have heard me out and I've enjoyed a nice discussion with them.

It's incredibly easy to post an opinion and then not back it up. It's simple, takes no time.

Your posts have been 2 to 3 lines long.

Your unwillingness to have an actual subject on a topic you clearly have an opinion on means that you either can't back anything up or you just want to try to frustrate me.

You're not worth my time, or anyone else's for that matter.
User avatar #307 to #306 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
actual discussion*
User avatar #233 to #36 - teoberry (10/16/2013) [-]
***** jealous of our swag tho. stay mad hater
#208 to #62 - creepyunclebob (10/16/2013) [-]
It's funny because it could either be refusing to read the comment or a genuine addition to it.
#121 to #36 - anon (10/15/2013) [-]
You're main mistake is that you think you're right. Don't get me wrong. I agree that society sucks and that there's a ton of lazy and disrespectful people everywhere. However, that's nothing new. Humans have been that way since the beginning of civilization. We're not getting worse. We're just becoming a different type of terrible. Back to my original statement. You're not right. I'm not just talking about your comment. I'm talking about your personality. You obviously realize that you're not perfect, but what you fail to realize is that your idea of right and wrong is no more valid than anyone else's. You understand that people have their own opinions, but you'll never be able to accept those opinions as equally valid. It's not your fault. We're not able to fully accept the idea of subjectivity. Those lazy, disrespectful people have different values than you. From their perspective, you're putting a ton of effort into something that doesn't matter when you could take the easy way out.
User avatar #124 to #121 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
There is a set of basic, moral laws that pretty much everyone understands and chooses whether or not to follow.
I like to call it "don't be a ******* asshole"

Please, take your psychology ******** somewhere else.
User avatar #239 to #124 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
Kathryn Schulz: On being wrong
This video alone has changed my thinking in a lot of ways, you should watch it, it's about 20 minutes. Don't be a ******* asshole is indeed a good moral code, but a lot of topics don't fit into the category of being an asshole.
User avatar #150 to #36 - sagedivinity (10/15/2013) [-]
Sure it's not the school systems fault that students cheat but cheating isn't something new, neither is lack of morality or boredom with subject matter. I don't understand how you could make statements like that.

I see from the comments below you don't take too kindly to criticism, so i'll stop their.
User avatar #153 to #150 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
I'm just getting a little frustrated, that's all. I should probably **** off FJ and not pay attention, but it kinda sucks to have people tell you to calm down and take offense over an opinion that really isn't attacking anyone.

User avatar #154 to #153 - sagedivinity (10/15/2013) [-]
I know the feeling.

I'm sorry for my comment at the end, have nice day.
#85 to #36 - amuzen (10/15/2013) [-]
You are the 99% and you don't even realize it.
User avatar #87 to #85 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
You're gonna have to elaborate, it's been a long day.

If you're referring to the hippies that camp out in time square, **** no.

If you're trying to imply that a lot of other students are like me, you're wrong. I'd say about 20% try, and 5% want to try to better themselves.
#90 to #87 - amuzen (10/15/2013) [-]
I am saying a lot of other students are like you. 90% of the kids I know act like they're the only ones that try, it's not really all that uncommon after 8th grade in most places I've lived, the only ones I know that really don't try either come from really ****** backgrounds, are to busy with sports, or are working towards a trade
The only school I've gone to that had a majority with the mentality you described only had 12 students total, 4 of which already had a life lined up as fishermen/loggers and another 5 of which were under the age of 14.
User avatar #91 to #90 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
You must have gone to a pretty nice school.

Maybe it's different where I am charter school, even there but people just did not care.
#98 to #91 - amuzen (10/15/2013) [-]
I've gone to a lot of schools and I wouldn't say most of them were nice it's just that towards the end of school people tend to straighten up a bit. A lot of people don't make a big deal about it because you sound pretentious when you talk about how you got an A on your homework and even more will say things like 'Oh well I got a C on that assignment but that's fine because I wasn't even trying' and in the end most of them come out with a B average thinking everyone else just didn't try and got D's and C's when in actuality most of them got B's and A's as well and about 5-10% of the class actually just straight up failed.

It's been my experience that once you get to know someone, a lot of the **** you thought was wrong with them is either well justified or simply isn't true and I have gotten to know A LOT of people...

User avatar #102 to #98 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
You are an optimist and a people person.

I am a pessimist and misanthropic.

Neither of us is right, or will get the other to agree with them.
#268 to #36 - welcometoatl (10/16/2013) [-]
Beautiful. Like a goddamn influential speech. You could get Germany to revolt against the world with words like those.
User avatar #51 to #36 - bronybox (10/15/2013) [-]
You want to know the difference between you and the salutatorian/valedictorian's of your school? They probably cheated on plenty of things so they could get that A's, they probably *********** teachers and assignments to get those A's, and it doesn't mean that they're not smart, it means that at that moment they were unprepared, and were never given a chance to truly be so.

You're whole argument is based on the fact that those " ********* " even want A's.

People that "dun giv a fuc" don't cheat, smart people cheat, people that want to accomplish something cheat. Others just DON'T GIVE A **** .

(I would know, I'm co-valedictorian at my school. People don't understand the hard work and effort it takes to be at the top, but they also don't understand that sometimes it's not enough with all the other things you're expected to do such as sports, community service, arts, extracurricular activities, etc. So sometimes we skip out on the learning, and get that A, so we can meet the expectations, that's how our school system is built up.)

You want to know something too? Sophomore year in high-school, I ditched school 20 times, being the priveleged valedictorian that I am, I wasn't suspended, you know what else happened? Every single one of my classes was in the range of 96%-99%, ALL OF THEM. You know what I took from that? School is a detriment to my education, if you're too blind to see that school HOLDS PEOPLE BACK JUST AS MUCH AS IT TEACHES, I'm sorry.
User avatar #66 to #51 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
The people with the top 5 GPA's in my school didn't cheat (I was/am one of them, don't assume I'm some ******** because I have a sense of morality); at least not regularly. I'm not talking about glancing at math notes during a quiz, I'm talking however you people cheat on finals. Writing notes are your arm, bringing a cheat - sheet. That **** .

I hate to be the ******* grammar nazi, but if you're valedictorian at your school, you should know the different between you're and your. Looks like cheating didn't help you out any, did it asshole?

YOu know what school taught me? How to write. How to learn. How to take instruction from someone else. Valuable life skills. Hell, school teaches me how to talk to people and deal with ********* .

And you must have never taken any AP classes, did you you?
If you had, cheating would not have helped. It doesn't help, people have tried and failed.
AP classes are designed by the "system" that's holding people back, and they're hard as **** . If you missed twenty ******* days during your sophomore year, you must've been taking geometry or some **** , because if you were in calculus, that **** wouldn't fly. Good job skating through high school, enjoy whatever **** school you go

It's so ******* convenient for people to blame school instead of themselves. Take some goddamn personal responsibility, just because your school doesn't offer native american poetry/basket weaving doesn't mean it's a "cookie cutter system." There are skills that everyone needs to learn in order to function in society. Stop bitching that you have to learn it.

Friend of mine is just like you. Cheats on everything. Everyone hates him. Teachers can't stand him. And when it comes time for recommendations, guess who's empty-handed? That's ******* right asshole, the cheater.

And people that "dun give a fuc" cheat, I've seen it more than I've seen cheating among the students with the highest GPA. Why? Because they want to do well, but don't know how.(cont)
User avatar #118 to #66 - bronybox (10/15/2013) [-]
"How to take instruction from someone else. Valuable life skills. Hell, school teaches me how to talk to people and deal with ********* ."
-Interesting... I've never put "valuable life skills" into that list.

I never assumed you were a ******** , but from my experiences, people that think cheating is wrong tend to not be at the top. If you're just talking about things like finals, then no, I don't cheat on finals, but the amount of homework that AP classes puts out is too tasking, and sometimes, they're just busywork that I feel accomplishes nothing (for me personally), so I copy someone or find the answers online, and then go teach myself the topic without the busywork.

Last year, as a sophomore, I had AP Biology (5), AP World History (4), and AP Lang (5)
Every single one of my classes this year are AP.

People that don't give a **** obviously give a **** then according to you if they cheat, what you said is contradictory...
User avatar #122 to #118 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
Wouldn't communication and how to deal wit h ********* be a valuable life skill?

You are the person in my class that I hate. "Hey, chimp do you have the answers for number 5?" "Sure, asshole, I put in effort and you're a lazy **** , take em."
You'll find in college that that is not the way you can operate. Good luck slacking off and copying somoene's term paper.

So, you have all these AP classes. ****************** . That means you're in a damn fine school with damn fine teachers - who are the real heroes (and villains) of our education system - something you take advantage of by being a little **** and cheating. You are clearly intelligent, for which I commend you, but you've abused the system to make it work for you, and leech off others and their work, and then come home to funnyjunk to bitch over system you've helped create.

You have to consider that often these ********* have a change of heart every once in a while - "2days gone b da day I do gud" is the idea, and they face occasional pressure from their parents and the school administration who'd rather spend time worrying about the football team than academics. They make an attempt at good grades for a day, and then quit so they can go get high.
User avatar #191 to #122 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
I think you misunderstand me, I don't "leech off others"

1. I have never once said "hey chimp, what are the answers for number 5". I have never once simply asked a person to give me straight answers unless it's something last minute and not particularly important, and the only people I ask in those cases are my close friends. I'm usually the person who people come to when they need help with something in school. Note: Just because I copied something doesn't mean I didn't know how to do it, it means I didn't want to spend my time on the busywork of it.

2. Copying and cheating on something important, such as a term paper, research project, etc. is absolutely worthless, useless, and does nothing for my education. Note, I said that I copy or cheat on BUSYWORK.

3. Sometimes on tests because I want an A, that doesn't mean I never learn the information. It means that I now have an A, and I will spend then next few days or so making sure that I learn what I didn't know on the test, stress-free. This here is (on of) my problem(s) with school. A test simply tests how much you know, and usually does not actually give you the chance to then learn what you didn't know. I especially hate the fact that Final and Semester exams are never given back to the student.

4. Granted, maybe some of those people do have a change of heart and make an attempt, but if they simply shift back into their previous lives, once again, they don't care. It's just a small moment that will never become anything unless they want it

5. I can most definitely be a lazy **** sometimes.
User avatar #195 to #191 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
1. I find it incredibly surprising that you are given busywork in an AP class - in my class, we don't have time for that - as a result, grades are lower. Maybe part of the reason your grades were so good is because of that busywork.

2. If your teachers are assigning things simply to keep you busy, it's a problem.

3. Your desire for an A is commendable, though morally ****** .
What about the kid who didn't cheat, but studied his ass off, and got a B, or a C? Now he looks like the ****** and you the guy who works hard. Even beyond that, suppose this keeps happening - you outrank the kid in class, his confidence is shattered, yours skyrockets because of all those A's you've been getting!
You cheat, you get valedictorian - ask yourself - would you have gotten that without cheating?

4. I agree - but the point is I've seen them cheat.

5. Ditto, but it's no excuse for cheating.
User avatar #209 to #195 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
Would I have gotten valedictorian without cheating?

If I gave up some of my extracurricular activities, yea, sure. But if I don't have to sacrifice something, I'd prefer not
User avatar #207 to #195 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
1,2. I found it incredibly surprising too. The other day, in AP Calc, we were given a worksheet with at least 12 problems that were completely identical except in the numbers that they used. APUSH has us writing practically full-on essays to answer Review Questions, which he then checks for content. Which would be fine, except that one time, I turned something in hand-written, 2 pages worth, and got an 80% on it. I then asked if he could go over the question again sometime: instead of rewriting it, I simply typed it all up, double spaced it, and turned it in, he told me,"now THAT is an A paper." Hmm...

3. You're right, now ask yourself this, is a system that allows this truly acceptable? The person that worked hard to complete all the work and studied his ass off passed with a C or a B, and I was able to copy large amount of work or ******** it to the maximum degree, still get an A (because I cheated), and yet, still have all the knowledge. Now also note, more often than not, I don't even need to cheat on the test. More often than not, cheating freed up time for me to actually learn the information that I needed. I would argue that because the other person worked so hard to complete those assignments, he was not able to properly learn.

Now, you must note, I live in Nevada, currently Number 49 in the US for education. So I mean, I wouldn't doubt that my school experience is completely different from mine, and perhaps I would agree with you if I attended the same system as you did.

5. It's not an excuse, it's a statement of acceptance of a character flaw.

6. I'm trying to fix the problem of being over-confident, I've been slacking off a bit more than I used to last year, and no longer actually doing work when I skip school, which was the reason I did so well in classes before. If the school system was structured in such a way that I never needed to purposefully skip school, I would never have had this bad habit, but then again, that's a bit audacious.
User avatar #210 to #207 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
1. The reason they have given you so much busywork is to prepare you for the actual AP test. Understand that there are most likely students who have not taken an AP test before and don't know what to expect on a test.

3. How very hypocritical for you to take advantage of something and than criticize it. If a new system were put in place and you found it necessary to cheat, would you do so?

6. Maybe the reason why you were so successful in your AP classes is that you took that time off in order to do the work - that's another way you manipulate the system.

In response to your most recent comment, i must ask a question. Do you have any sense of justice or morality, or is everything justified to you, as long as it gets you what you want? The ends justify the means?
User avatar #224 to #210 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
1. This may be so, never really thought about it, with me, it ends up being that because I have so many AP courses, the amount of busy work simply creates difficulty.

3. That is very hypocritical, you're right, in a sense. I am criticizing it because I don't want to have to take advantage of it. But sometimes I do so that I don't need to sacrifice things such as happiness, sports, hobbies, etc.

6. That's what I just said, isn't it? Maybe I phrased it wrong...

Morality is interesting an interesting topic.
Yes, I do have a sense of justice, and morality, but the things you consider just or moral do not fit into mine (at least in the case of scholastics, apparently). You also have to realize that just because I consider something immoral doesn't mean I won't ever do it. Cheating in school doesn't really fall too high on my moral compass.
User avatar #225 to #224 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
That is, unless cheating becomes a direct detriment or risk to someone else.
User avatar #73 to #66 - xxiixx (10/15/2013) [-]
I'm not disagreeing with your argument as a whole, but I missed almost 30 days of school my senior year while taking 4 AP classes(including AP Calc AB and BC) and got at least a B in all of them. 5'd Calc and CS exams too.
User avatar #77 to #73 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
Jesus, AB and BC were folded into one class? What the **** ?

Senior year, you have more slack, man. Senior teachers know that seniors slack off their last year, and your grades take that into an account. As a junior, do you think you could've done the same thing?
As a senior, you're an adult, you know how to manage your time better and you can drive.

Can you honestly say that your AP classes were not difficult, especially 4 at once? Did you spend some of hte time you got taking off school studying for those classes?

I'm a junior in HS now, (I hate saying this **** on the internet, makes me feel like people won't take me seriously) and I'm taking AB now, as well as AP Euro and Bio. I can't seem to get above a B in any one of them and it's pissing me the **** off.
User avatar #86 to #77 - xxiixx (10/15/2013) [-]
AB was first semester, BC second. And honestly, AP classes were easier for me. I am no model student, and my biggest downfall in high school was that I didn't do homework, like ever. I found that AP classes had less busy work and were more just focused on tests and quizzes, which I loved. My homework grade in AP Calc was a 20% though which is why I got a B instead of an A.
As far as studying goes, I might cram the period before a test just to be sure I know it all, but I never studied at home once. The only school-related **** I'd ever do at home was lab reports and projects.
And my attendance was ****** every year in high school. Junior year my parents had to meet with the social worker to prove they actually took care of me or w/e, and I had detentions for absences regularly.
I never took more than 2 AP classes in one semester though, which I guess helped somewhat, but I took honors classes too.
User avatar #89 to #86 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
My schools system is all ****** up. Same classes all year. I'm taking all honors and AP this year (cept for the language class, and gym and **** ) and it's hard as **** to manage 3 APs, a **** ton of honors and other **** . My AP calc class is crammed into a tiny room to was meant to be a lunchroom for teachers, and it's actually during lunch. I think it boils down to teachers though. I've got one ******* awesome AP Euro teacher, and that's my best class.

You're a genius. Pure and simple.
User avatar #94 to #89 - xxiixx (10/15/2013) [-]
I prefer the 2 semester system. Makes the days feel shorter as you only have 4 classes.
I don't know about genius, I just seem to learn things very easily and retain them. But for calc AB I had some really old teacher who only used an over-head and retired halfway through the semester and I didn't learn anything in that class past what a derivative was because I'd just fall asleep everyday. Then for BC I got this teacher who was really engaging and used a smartboard and stuff and I basically learned all of AB and BC in that class.
Funny enough I didn't get into my college of choice (Georgia Tech) because my GPA was low. I got B's in easy classes because I didn't do homework so my final GPA was a 3.7, and Tech's average is 4.0, my SAT scores were above their average though. If I was black or female I would have gotten in but oh well, I got conditional acceptance for next year as long as I maintain a 3.3 at this easy school I'm at now.
User avatar #97 to #94 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
I think I would prefer that, too.

Yeah, it's a load of ******** nowadays, how to get into college.

My calc teacher is ******* awful - she was also my pre-calc teacher, and I kept a tally of how many basic math or algebra mistakes she made in a class when I had her before. It eventually got to a point where I calculated that she made 2 mistakes per class that could potentially hinder the learning of a concept per class, nearly 70 a marking period.
User avatar #227 to #97 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
This is why I love the internet.

I'm taking AP Physics C Electricity and Magnetism right now
I've never taken a physics class, and it isn't helping that the teacher has a very thick accent and mostly teaches JUST what's in the book, without creating her on lessons or methods to teach us. I found this site, flippinphysics and some youtube channels, and I'm starting to actually understand what she's talking about.

You need Calc help?
- Khan Academy website
- IntegralCalc channel on youtube
- slader.com has almost every single textbook in existence on it, and if the one you're using isn't TOO recent, it's likely that many of the questions will have solutions posted on this website, including even-number problems.
User avatar #243 to #227 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
Oh, I understand the concept - she just ******* sucks.
User avatar #248 to #243 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
"Yeah, it's a load of ******** nowadays, how to get into college."

I just re-read what you wrote.
Would this not mean that there is a problem with the educational system?
User avatar #244 to #243 - bronybox (10/16/2013) [-]
Oh, fun.
User avatar #68 to #66 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
and their parents never taught them. They've grown up in a ****** environment with ****** parents and are ****** people because of it.

You hold hte parents responsible, you make the parents pay for their kids bad grades, you better ******* believe that test scores would improve.
User avatar #70 to #68 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
Also note that FJ won't let me type the word "to", or t o for some reason.
User avatar #226 to #36 - airblaze (10/16/2013) [-]
As a teacher myself, I can tell you that hardly any teachers give a damn about any of what you're saying. I may be a little biased in saying this, but throwing money at the problem would fix it. These fools need some motivation, because if a teacher is good enough, it wouldn't matter how the kids are raised; anyone can succeed.
User avatar #240 to #226 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
So you'd magically become a better teacher if you were paid more money?
#245 to #240 - anon (10/16/2013) [-]
I would be a lot more inclined to put more effort into my job if I was paid more.
User avatar #255 to #245 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
... This response is so very frustrating, you have no idea.
User avatar #256 to #240 - airblaze (10/16/2013) [-]
Not magic. Motivation. That's what the other teachers need, at least. I like to think of myself as pretty motivated. You can't expect someone to really put their heart into teaching when they could just go get a simple job at McDonald's for the same pay. Half the guys I work with just treat the job like a babysitting job where you can preach and make kids listen.
User avatar #261 to #256 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
And you think that they would take it more seriously if they were given more money to do the same babysitting job, and not say "Damn, they pay me this much and I can get away with doing so little?!" Are you nuts?

Sure, pay teachers more, but pay administrators less and **** tenure. And with that pay would come more pressure - would you mind teaching to a test and staying later if you were paid more? How about giving up your weekends for tutoring?

The one teacher in my school who didn't give a **** was hired as the athletic director and only taught because he had It's not because he wasn't paid enough, it's because he only cared about sports - another problem with society today, but I digress.
User avatar #269 to #261 - airblaze (10/16/2013) [-]
I can't deny that you're right. I just wish there was some way that we could get all teachers to act like the good ones. Man, if only they just had the sense of right and wrong as you mentioned. Thanks for your input.
User avatar #120 to #36 - rhiaanor (10/15/2013) [-]
You act like young mothers havent been a thing before... or rebellious, privledged, and assholish teenagers. Its the same painting, just different colors. Nothing has changed. Calm down.
#123 to #120 - achimp (10/15/2013) [-]
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#166 to #123 - mrunobvious (10/16/2013) [-]
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." You see that was quoted about 2500 years ago. It was from Socrates. rhiaanor was right, and I understand your frustration. But the immaturity of children as well as the young foolish mothers has been going on for literally hundreds and hundreds of years. By responding bitterly and immaturely you are no better than the "swaglets" that you rant about.
User avatar #289 to #166 - iceeyboi (10/16/2013) [-]
you got that from the "still relevant" content right? well here is MY comment on that content:

it was not written by Socrates but by Aristophanes (circa 400 years BCE)

**a few more quotes on the topic* *
"We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents.
They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control."

-Ancient Egyptian tomb

'There was a time,' Nikolai Artemyevitch resumed, 'when daughters did not allow themselves to
look down on their parents—when the parental authority forced the disobedient to tremble. That
time has passed, unhappily: so at least many persons imagine; but let me tell you, there are
still laws which do not permit—do not permit—in fact there are still laws. I beg you to mark
that: there are still laws——'

-On the Eve (1860)

"We think our fathers fools, so wise we grow;
Our wiser sons, no doubt, will think us so."

- Alexander Pope
User avatar #170 to #166 - achimp (10/16/2013) [-]
I don't agree.
It seems very evident to me that morality has degraded to a point where it is the root of many problems.

I understand that this is an opinion that has been a common one for many years, and will continue to be one for years to come.
However, I believe we are marching steadily toward a society like that in the movie Idiocracy. This is only my opinion, and although my original post was a little heated, there was no need to tell me to "calm down." In my opinion, saying "calm down" on the internet is the height of dickery.

I believe the poster above me to be condescending (rhiaanor) and a bit of an asshole, as evidenced by his last little comment, and I responded in kind with a .gif that I liked.

No matter what I say here, though, I will be thumbed down, which is why I hesitated to post this.
User avatar #63 - kennyh (10/15/2013) [-]
Or the students value grades more than the students value learning.
far be it from me to disagree with him though
#192 to #63 - morkotlap (10/16/2013) [-]
And why do students value grades? Students wouldn't give a **** about some fancy letters in a report card if they would mean nothing to the school system. Everyone would just pick the B or the D for obvious reasons.
User avatar #163 - iridium (10/15/2013) [-]
It seems to me like more people are concerned with who is to blame than how to fix a problem.
#206 to #163 - morkotlap (10/16/2013) [-]
Well, if you blame certain part of the system, you kinda point at the way to fix it.

This post hints that cheating and grade-driven testing might cause ineffectivness of educational process. For a "fix" you have to try to imagine system without such devices.

For instance, I think it's pretty good idea to allow notes to the test. The classes that did so, taught me far more than that which did not. The days when you could memorize summary knowledge of the mankind are gone. Yet the educational system in most of the schools insist on memorizing that exact obsolete miniscule part of the knowledge, claiming anything more would be "too hard to memorize" for people so young. They miss the ******* point. Once upon a time, this knowledge could give you a significant edge against the less-educated. Now it just takes a 7-years old with an iPhone and mathematica+wikipedia to instantly access the same benefits you slaved for for 10 years.

Grades alone won't give purpse to flawed education.
#145 - theseustheminotaur (10/15/2013) [-]
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This is how I remember my exams
User avatar #157 to #145 - AnomynousUser (10/15/2013) [-]
Menma! Stop cheating and keep your eyes to your own paper!
#172 to #157 - iveseensomethings (10/16/2013) [-]
They called me a cheater....once.
#6 - ehzio (10/15/2013) [-]
only thing I got..
User avatar #84 - levelninetynine (10/15/2013) [-]
When I went to school it was impossible to cheat. Most tests were open book to encourage you to find the information also we had to take notes during lectures and received a grade for those. At the end of the semester we were individually tested one on one with the teacher with a verbal test, your basic paper test, and also you had to solve one very complicated question that was about 10% of your grade. The only down side is that you could get out of truancy by getting your GED. I had to do this and passed within two weeks at the age of 17. We had a law pass about six years ago that you could not drop out unless you are an adult (18). I never found an issue with the school system being flawed not even after No Child Left Behind. We had a choice in high school to take things that you would enjoy and pay attention to like more specific biology/ science, math, English, second language, physical education, arts, history, and even military related classes.

TL;DR school is good don't drop out.
#140 to #84 - anon (10/15/2013) [-]
BREAKING NEWS: School is easy for middle class white people.
More on this at 11.
User avatar #186 to #140 - ivoryhammer (10/16/2013) [-]
I'm upper middle class white, and ******* awful in school.
User avatar #96 to #84 - thegirlyoudespise (10/15/2013) [-]
where i live you can drop out at 16 or in some cases, you just being a sophomore

Teachers dont care if you take notes, just as long as they put out the information
we're all tested at the same time, same test, no one on one connection

interesting to see how places differ when it comes to education
User avatar #103 to #96 - levelninetynine (10/15/2013) [-]
It's very interesting indeed. In my area most of the schools gather once a month to go over what area's students have the most problems with and how to help them. They try to go with more individual aid instead of trying to fix the issues as a general whole. It's not just a localized school board either. We have about three cities and around seven towns in a 35 mile radius. They meet at the our biggest cities community center (the biggest city in my state has a population about 64,000 and smallest about 200) and discuss multiple topics for nine hours. After that they have another meeting at their individual school and discuss more localized issues. I don't know all of it but they're doing a pretty good job with all of the difficult rebellious kids and have a pretty high turn around rate.
User avatar #104 to #103 - thegirlyoudespise (10/15/2013) [-]
As far as i know my school does something similar
but they DO look at the general
"oh, 55% of our students need help in geometry? then we'll reteach the whole unit to everyone"
Totally disregarding the other percentage that need help in other areas
I understand that the student to teacher ratio is 35:1, but still

try and work in SOME one on one time with AT LEAST the students that take an interest in their education, you know?
and then they wonder why most kids skip, or dont pay attention, or don't care.
Teenagers follow by example, if the teacher shows no interest then neither will the students

All of this coming from a student who is sick of the school system the way it is
User avatar #110 to #104 - levelninetynine (10/15/2013) [-]
That's why most of the schools in my area introduced class aids and even student teachers a while back. I know it's kind of far fetched and I also don't know if you and your fellow class mates have already tried to do something about it but try to get a few people to attend a school board meeting and share what your experiences is like and give some ideas on how to help. I know it sounds a little ridiculous to go out of your way but it could really help and may even start helping your part of society out. I hope I'm not sounding crazy.
User avatar #112 to #110 - thegirlyoudespise (10/15/2013) [-]
No you're totally not
It's just around here actually giving a **** about your education is "lame" and "stupid"
People only care about getting the bare minimum to graduate, partying and skipping to get high.

So needless to say you can only imagine what my school is like
User avatar #114 to #112 - levelninetynine (10/15/2013) [-]
I know what you mean. I had to decide if being in the coolest social crowd was more important than having good grades so school didn't have to drag on more than it needed but I couldn't stand all the ignorance and arrogance that surrounded those groups. In the end I helped a lot of kids realize that they're decisions aren't going to get them any farther than a jail cell. I was one of those responsible teenagers that smoked pot in secrecy and tried to show people you could do that with out having a stigma attached. I don't like people boasting about how much weed they can smoke or how much they can drink. I'm a bit of a recluse now because of that.
User avatar #116 to #114 - thegirlyoudespise (10/15/2013) [-]
So am i,
i really hate when people are like "hurr durr its MY RIGHT TO DO THIS STUFF"
it's my right to be around people who dont do that stuff just as much as it is your right to do those things, so
shut. the. **** . UP.
User avatar #115 to #114 - levelninetynine (10/15/2013) [-]
Their decisions*
User avatar #109 to #103 - vortexrain (10/15/2013) [-]
Where do you live?
User avatar #111 to #109 - levelninetynine (10/15/2013) [-]
Rapid City South Dakota.
User avatar #113 to #111 - vortexrain (10/15/2013) [-]
Would you recommend moving there?
#19 - gayboard (10/15/2013) [-]
I'm preeeeeetty sure just about every country's students cheat on tests.

Does this mean that all of the country's education systems are broken?

Because I think it's just kids being kids.

Also in a manner of speaking, adults kinda "Cheat" at their job as well, like slacking off and stuff
#146 to #19 - anon (10/15/2013) [-]
Britfag here.
In my experience it's pretty much impossible to cheat on an exam here, students sit in a large hall, far enough apart that you can't see anyone else exam paper without physically leaning over. There are invigilators who walk around the hall to make sure nobody is cheating. students wear a school uniform, and any items of clothing that are not uniform can't be brought into the exam hall, so it's pretty much impossible to bring any answers in with you. Even if you find a way to bring answers in, you have no way of nothing what the questions are as the papers aren't released by the exam boards until the day of the exam.
User avatar #165 to #146 - gayboard (10/16/2013) [-]
Yeah, it's basically the same way for the big tests in the US
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User avatar #222 to #198 - MysticTomatoe (10/16/2013) [-]
Welcome to the road of hating everyone around you. Fear not, my friend, for when everyone seems confused you will be there to not help them and be proud of your knowledge
User avatar #212 to #198 - fgtometer (10/16/2013) [-]
You're probably going to be one of the only people in university who knows what's going on, and wonder why so many around you are still clueless. Good luck, it's a journey
#281 to #275 - sorakirin (10/16/2013) [-]
I am making this my new Science response
#250 - djhuehue (10/16/2013) [-]
Cheating taught me how to creatively exploit the weak points of a system in order to receive optimal results.
and this is how I live guilt-free *************
User avatar #274 to #250 - Sethorein ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
cheating taught you how to cheat instead of understand. As you move further in life I like to imagine that you'll feel a bit hollow knowing your success came not from hard work but ill means...
#300 to #274 - djhuehue (10/16/2013) [-]
Sorry Professor Serious won't happen again, I promise. Seriously though, cheating teaches you how to apply imagination to a difficult situation. Maybe it wasn't the right thing to do but I wasn't very ambitious in high school. Now that I'm in college I take my studies much more seriously but I did learn from cheating.
User avatar #301 to #300 - Sethorein ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
studies on cheating find a positive correlation between creativity and cheating behaviour...
#302 to #301 - djhuehue (10/16/2013) [-]
Oh come on don't be so negative...
User avatar #303 to #302 - Sethorein ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
well they do... I made a research proposal on the relationship between responsibility and likelihood to cheat...
#304 to #303 - djhuehue (10/16/2013) [-]
Oh I thought you were being sarcastic. Link? I haven't cheated on any school assignment in years, I work full-time and take 6 classes per semester, I'm on the dean's list in both majors. I think that I'm a very responsible person and cheated all through middle school/high school. What would your research question be exactly?
User avatar #305 to #304 - Sethorein ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
it was pretty basic. We were just looking at the effect of increased responsibility and potential for compassion on cheating behaviour. We made a prediction that it would increase as responsibility increases. Basic stuff, but you need to start somewhere.

it's a word document and powerpoint... can't really link it.
User avatar #219 - djequalizee (10/16/2013) [-]
rant below
American high schools are set up in a kind of way that caters to people who aren't as smart, and doesn't let people specialize in what they are good at. You need a certain amount of credits for every class. Now, hear me out here, but i think the kid should get more a choice on what he wants to do. If he's in 11th grade and doesn't think he's going to be a biologist he should be able to take an extra class dealing what he is good with instead of taking a class that he is terrible at and will never use. Kids (at least ones that show that they are responsible enough) should get more freedom with school and be allowed more flexible schedules. I have been on both ends of grades. I went my freshman year getting absolute **** grades because of some personal stuff i was going through, then the next year i got all A's and B's. But I honestly didn't feel like i accomplished anything. Grades are a really terrible way to judge how intelligent a student does, the only thing grades really measure is how well a kid can do a task that the teacher has set out for them. Yes, that also means that the kid is motivated and all that **** . But a kid could grow up getting good grades and still have no idea what he is doing with his life after highschool.

TL;DR School is hellagay and needs to be switched up a bit
User avatar #235 to #219 - sketchE (10/16/2013) [-]
the only problem i have with that is that people dont know what they want to do when they get out of highschool. i mean most people think they do then they spend a year learning about or training in that field and learn thats not what they really want to do.

me for example. i took two years in criminal jusice because i thought id like to do that. it took one police ride along to make me realize i dont think id enjoy it that much. i thought id like to e an army officer. after the first FTX i realized i dont want to be combat arms so i switched to something else. get my commission and realize its not for me.

what i think most people should do after highschool is take a year or so to figure out what they want to do. go to college undeclared maybe and try a bunch of different things. no one wants to spend 4 or more years and thousands of dollars to get a job then realize they dont like it and now theyre kind of stuck
User avatar #237 to #235 - djequalizee (10/16/2013) [-]
Yeah, i do realize that this would be a problem. But if you don't know what you want to do you could still go with the suggested curriculum. I guess a good example would be why would you get a fine arts credit if you hate art? Idonno i personally wish i could take a physics class instead of a biology class. They should have at least have an option for something like that

User avatar #241 to #237 - sketchE (10/16/2013) [-]
in my school we only had to take a certain number of science credits not specific ones. college was a bit different requireing specific ones though. i do agree with the fine arts portion though. i believe the purpose is to create a more well rounded person but i dont see it doing that much
User avatar #246 to #241 - djequalizee (10/16/2013) [-]
Yeah. I understand that schools want us to be more well rounded so we can do more things when we're older. But i think that if you excel at something your classes should revolve around it. Chances are that if you excel at it you will like it as well. Lel i'm starting to sound like i want some sort of utopia or some ****
User avatar #252 to #246 - sketchE (10/16/2013) [-]
i dunno. i excel at biology but i have no intention of ever being a biologist. im good with history but i wouldnt want to be a history teacher. im good at math but i dont want anything to do with it because its so boring
User avatar #257 to #252 - djequalizee (10/16/2013) [-]
WELL THEN YOU'RE ALREADY WELL ROUNDED AND CAN DO ANYTHING. Nah but seriously, i can see your side of this as well. I just think curriculum should focus more on individual students instead of students as a whole.
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#272 to #219 - heroicvenom (10/16/2013) [-]
its like you are watching me
User avatar #12 - childofnephilim (10/15/2013) [-]
"creative, non-traditional, lateral, mold-breaking answer acquisition." Cliche, perhaps, but if I saw a student show me a NEW way to cheat, I might let it fly.
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