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In the 21st Century, a stupid is born!

A guy in my psychology class said he, thought
orientation could possibly he s chocco;
Ho: Okay so If orientation is a choice. choose: to on gay, right now.
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User avatar #49 - gammajk (10/10/2013) [+] (18 replies)
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People need to understand the difference between "choosing to act on homosexual impulses" and "having homosexual impulses in the first place". You can choose not to suck dick, that doesn't mean you aren't still attracted to dicks.
User avatar #1 - justforthethumbs (10/09/2013) [-]
That looks so cool, you tilted the picture and everything
#2 to #1 - anon (10/09/2013) [-]
wat
User avatar #3 to #2 - justforthethumbs (10/09/2013) [-]
the picture of the text...is tilted inside the picture...
sorry, i'm no good at words
#5 to #3 - useralreadyexisted (10/09/2013) [-]
It's not straight!
#6 to #3 - anon (10/09/2013) [-]
Oh, ok then
User avatar #7 - heartlessrobot ONLINE (10/09/2013) [-]
You know, it's possible that at least one person out there decided to be homosexual. That doesn't make it a choice for everyone though, but when it comes to humans, there's always the outliers.
User avatar #91 to #7 - swagasauruss (10/10/2013) [-]
My brother chose to be gay, telling everyone we knew he was. He never did anything remotely sexual with a guy so everyone gave him **** over it yet he still would say "oh yea Im gay I really like guys" He stopped when a guy who was tired of hearing it dropped his pants and told him to suck his dick or he wasnt gay. My brother never pretended to like men again.
#8 to #7 - willisteal (10/09/2013) [-]
I don't see how that's even possible, that's like deciding your skin color, but I guess there's Michael Jackson...
I don't see how that's even possible, that's like deciding your skin color, but I guess there's Michael Jackson...
User avatar #22 to #8 - realreality (10/10/2013) [-]
Well to be honest there are people out there who would "choose" to be gay just because of some societal/stereotypical advantages(You know things like gay men are always clean and do well in show business) or simply to get attention. Since, homosexuality is epigentic we could test people if they are truly gay but other than that there are no physical attributes that can be used to distinguish between a gay or a straight person. Therefore you couldn't distinguish between a real homosexual and someone just faking it unlike skin color which is something easily noticeable.
User avatar #67 to #22 - willisteal (10/10/2013) [-]
Right, so those people are just lying
User avatar #85 to #67 - yunoavailable (10/10/2013) [-]
he is just defining gay as pursuing sex with the same gender, not necessarily being attracted to it I think
User avatar #90 to #85 - willisteal (10/10/2013) [-]
That's an incorrect definition then
User avatar #139 to #90 - yunoavailable (10/10/2013) [-]
agreed
User avatar #59 to #7 - lostandgoneforever (10/10/2013) [-]
Do you mean someone would choose to be attracted to the same sex, or choose to be with the same sex regardless how they really felt?
User avatar #27 - dangler (10/10/2013) [-]
I definitely thought that meant like...student orientation.. "No, ************ , you gotta learn about your classes n **** "
User avatar #33 to #27 - winsauceiswin (10/10/2013) [-]
as did i
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#35 - fyaq Comment deleted by willisteal [-]
#69 to #35 - willisteal (10/10/2013) [-]
I've NEVER been attracted to women. My first experience of attraction towards anyone sexually was towards a male teacher when I was young.
Studies have shown that gay male brains are similar to female brains, and gay female brains are similar to male brains.
There is NO scientific basis for what you are saying.
Considering I didn't have sexual attraction before I was 13, I would know if I had learned something new at that age.
User avatar #37 to #35 - SlowpokeForever (10/10/2013) [-]
To me that reason is incredibly petty. I mean, I get it, guys can be jerks, but "switching" your sexual orientation as a psychological wall out of fear of getting hurt is just sad. Just my opinion, but yeah.
User avatar #43 to #37 - fyaq (10/10/2013) [-]
the point was it happens, not justifying it. just saying it exists.
User avatar #63 - achimp (10/10/2013) [-]
What was most likely going on is that the gentleman in the class was trying to explain an argument, based on facts and studies, that maybe, possibly, being homosexual might be a choice.

Your opinions on the matter notwithstanding, I pictured this scene in my minds eye and laughed. There the poor guy stood, trying to explain a reasonable though unpopular argument to a group of hostile classmates, and this bitch gets in his face, with no argument whatsoever other than "WELL BE GAY RITE NOW LOL."

with the Tumblr poster's moron logic, the guys argument is destroyed, simply because you can't argue with someone who won't debate with studies and facts - and instead decides to base her entire argument on the decision of one person.
Victory for homosexuality against bigotry? Probably not. Victory for morons against thoughtful discussion of psychological issues? Probably.
User avatar #64 to #63 - demandsgayversion (10/10/2013) [-]
If every single homosexual, me included, can say with 100% certainty that homosexuality is not a choice, then it's not a legitimate argument. I mean seriously, why is there a question about something we already know? I mean, there's probly bisexual people who choose not to be bisexual, but they didn't choose to be bi, they just made a strong preference.
User avatar #65 to #64 - achimp (10/10/2013) [-]
I'm really not going to try to argue whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not with you.

I'm only going to say that it is impossible to get every single homosexual in the world to say with 100 percent certainty that for them, homosexuality was not a choice, and thus the guy in the post might have a point - because we don't know what that is, it's kind of unfair to pass judgement. Hell, we can't say with 100 percent certainty much of anything anymore.

For a society that wants to move forward and accept things that were previously abhorred (like homosexuality), shouldn't we also accept opinions and points of view that we might not necessarily agree with?
User avatar #66 to #65 - demandsgayversion (10/10/2013) [-]
How is that an opinion? You can't have an opinion that homosexuality is a choice when it's not a choice. That's not my opinion, that's just how it is. Common sense and any amount of survey would show that nobody chooses to be gay. It's almost a fact, just until someone gets around to asking every (open) gay person. I mean, as a gay person, I can say with 100% certainty that since I was born I liked boys. I had an extremely normal childhood with no trauma whatsoever. I may not have acknowledged it until high school, but I was always gay. It's not something you choose. That's not an opinion, because anything other than this would be incorrect.
User avatar #68 to #66 - achimp (10/10/2013) [-]
Now you're just being unreasonable my friend. I will try to explain this one more time.

Because it is impossible to contact every single gay person in the known universe, the view that homosexuality possibly could be a choice is valid.

You can come back and tell me I'm wrong after you contact every single homosexual ever, and tell me what they say.

Just because you might be gay, doesn't mean you speak for every gay person. There are nearly 7 billion people in this world - and you're trying to tell me, that is is completely impossible for them to have made a choice to be gay, whether conscious or unconscious?
User avatar #70 to #68 - demandsgayversion (10/10/2013) [-]
Have you contacted every black person and asked if they made a choice to be black? It's the same argument. Just because you can't see that someone's gay doesn't make it any less real. I want you to ask every straight person you know if they could choose to be gay. I guarantee that nobody will say yes. I don't think you could.

And the reason I'm not being 'reasonable' is that the idea of someone choosing to be gay is offensive. Not only is it just incorrect, but the way you have to deal with so much ******** from society, why would anyone choose that? And again, how do you choose a sexuality? Gay children know they like the same gender before they know that there's such a thing as gay.

I'm not unreasonable in argument, but the idea that someone can choose their sexuality is inherently retarded, invalid, illogical, and ignorant.
#72 to #70 - anon (10/10/2013) [-]
yo, i am straight but i could choose to be gay, it wouldn't be that hard...its a human condition of basically convincing myself that sum1 is attractive. straight guys do it to ugly girls who have a awesome personality even if they find them unattractive at the time it will change. Now I personally feel that it isn't a choice to be gay or straight because i feel like everyone would naturally be Bi but society shaped people towards straight so we fight our nature subconsciously...that said, your argument is piss poor, when debating stuff like this you need to leave your emotions and personal life checked at the door so that you can make a rational and logical statement
User avatar #136 to #72 - demandsgayversion (10/10/2013) [-]
You don't know what you're talking about.
#73 to #70 - anoynmuos (10/10/2013) [-]
As a formally Bi-sexual guy who after a pretty bad experience with a guy now finds the idea of being intimate with a guy extremely icky, and now has chosen to only pursue relations with woman, I find your logic flawed
User avatar #135 to #73 - demandsgayversion (10/10/2013) [-]
Of course a bisexual person can make a preference, that's the nature of being bisexual
User avatar #138 to #70 - achimp (10/10/2013) [-]
There have been times in my life when I have doubted my sexuality.

However, at those times, when I asked myself the question, am I gay or straight, the answer was straight.

However, since there was a question in mind, I technically "chose" to be straight. If one can choose to be straight, one can choose to be gay.
User avatar #141 to #138 - demandsgayversion (10/11/2013) [-]
You don't represent the majority, you're likely some level of bi-curious or bisexual. Now, granted, I don't know what that means. I don't know what biologically makes someone gay, and even more that makes them bisexual, but couldn't it stand to reason that a minority of "straight" people who are able to choose their sexuality would be bisexual? And I do acknowledge that there are some people sitting on that fence, but if you ask any fully homosexual person (completely attracted to their same gender, not at all to the other), they will say it's not a choice. I haven't personally asked every single homosexual person, but trust me that when I started wondering about myself I did do research on stuff. I wanted to know why I felt the way I did. It MAY be possible through conditioning to make a straight person associate same-sex relations with arousal, but that would take deliberate brainwashing from early childhood. In a society (every society) where masculinity is revered and homosexuality is taboo to sometimes deadly extent, I don't think anyone could be accidentally conditioned into homosexual tendencies, especially so many people.
User avatar #142 to #141 - achimp (10/11/2013) [-]
Just wanna make something clear - there were times - doesn't mean now, or later. It's happened to me before, that's all.

See, here we are having a reasoned argument - something that we were almost unable to do, because of that gut reaction of "you're wrong" we as humans so often face. It's what happened in the tumblr post, it's what happened here.

Regardless of whether or not you choose to bbe gay, there must have been some point in your life that you realized you were gay.

Now, you had a choice in that moment in time.
Do you accept that you're gay, and the potential adversity (and a few benefits) that comes with it, or reject that realization, and conform to a society you see as being intolerant?
You probably chose the former.
Now, that isn't necessarily what the post talks about, and isn't necessarily what you're arguing against/
My only point is that the guy in the post could be making a point similar to mine - that the "choice" to be gay comes with the realization but we'll never know, as morontumblrblogger leaves it out of hte post.

Don't be so quick to pass judgement, or reject opinions. Plenty of people on this post in particular have said (in some manner of speaking) that yes, being gay is a choice. Of course, I have simplified their argument down to a few words, but that is the gist of it.
User avatar #143 to #142 - demandsgayversion (10/11/2013) [-]
Well yes, you can choose to reject the fact that you're gay; look at all those Christian "reform" programs that try to recondition your sexual urges. But that doesn't necessarily mean you're choosing to be gay or not to be gay, you're choosing to admit to yourself and others that you're gay.

(to go off on a small tangent, that's why I'm proud of my homosexuality - not that it's a better sexuality, but that I was able to openly admit it to myself and other people, which took all of my courage.)

And as I said, I don't know what makes people gay, but I'm certain that it's biological. It has to be, as would be bisexuality. Now if I can go my whole life thinking I'm straight until I realize it's all bull, couldn't a bisexual person go through the same process? But they would also have the feelings towards the opposite sex, so if they never entertained the thought of bisexuality, couldn't they think that they're choosing their sexuality?

And I do know people who are bi-curious from the gay side and just prefer their own gender more and call themselves gay.

There's more to it than a choice. There is a choice of acceptance, but it's not a decision of orientation. It's not like homosexuality seems appealing to someone and they just switch their sexuality like a lever, that's the idea I'm shunning so hard, as I find that offensive. It's demeaning.
User avatar #13 - commanderbunbun (10/10/2013) [-]
if sexual orientation was a choice, i'd be gay just to work at victoria's secret, then halfway through my first day, become straight again for some fun.

then i'd become jewish, black, a woman, and a manager of a movie theater
#81 - zobzob (10/10/2013) [-]
The example is a bit retarded. The brain is a complex biochemical system, you cannot expect to change it in a second. However, why would it not be possible to change orientation over a longer period of time? We can change our brains in many different ways, so changing orientation shouldn't be an impossible task.

Of course one would have to genuinely want to do this, and it is not just as simple as "well I'm gay and everyone mocks me so I want to be straight", because you would most likely - in the environment you live in - still be getting signals encouraging your current orientation, which would probably override any counter measures.

It could be for example, that in our sensitive childhood our orientation is created, and as we grow older we tend to embrace it both consciously and unconsciously, resulting effectively in an equilibrium.

Therefore I think it could be fair to suggest that orientation can be changed, only not in a natural environment. It would require strict conditions (e.g. lack of stimulus encouraging old behavior, strong encouraging stimulus for wanted behavior) for a long period of time, and strong genuine willingness from the subject.

#38 - jeanmariegrangon (10/10/2013) [-]
The argument of the OP in the post is a fallacy. It's like if someone said that murdering someone is not a choice because you would not do it when asked. I don't want in any way to compare murder to being gay. It's just that the fact, that you may not able to understand the influences that make you attracted by men or women (wether those influences are social or more psychologically rooted), doesn't mean at all that you have no choice on the matter of accepting those influences. I could decide that I'm attracted by men, but to do so I would have to sacrifice some parts of my personnality. The sexual orientation is a choice even if you have predisposition that makes one option more natural and easy. In conclusion, there is absolutly nothing bad about being gay, but it's a choice. Some people may argue that it's not a choice because you're only adding difficulty to your life when you choose that option; so why would anyone choose to be gay? I think that people decides to be gay because the difficulties that come with such a choice are not as bad as the difficulties that come with choosing to modify their personnality so they would be attracted by the opposite sex. I think that believing in free will is something that you need to extand to every aspect of life, including sexual orientation. For me, there is only two options: you have always the choice (except for defying natural law, like gravity, etc) or you have never the choice and life is the result of some determinism. STOP! GET ON THE FLOOR! EVERYBODY WALK THE DINOSAUR!
User avatar #48 to #38 - gammajk (10/10/2013) [-]
>all opinions, no facts
All of what you said is completely contradicted by reality.
>I could decide that I'm attracted by men, but to do so I would have to sacrifice some parts of my personnality.
The "personality" that... you were born with, perhaps?
>The sexual orientation is a choice even if you have predisposition that makes one option more natural and easy.
If you have a predisposition then it's not a ******* choice
User avatar #60 to #48 - lyestcer (10/10/2013) [-]
You aren't born with a set personality, it is developed over a lifetime by your experiences. And predisposition just means that you are more likely to go a certain way, there is still the possibility of the predisposition not being realised. In regards to sexual orientation, I'd say that it is a culmination of various genetic and environmental factors, it obviously isn't something that you can just change on a whim - but you can still perform homosexual acts if you wish
User avatar #41 to #38 - latinotornado (10/10/2013) [-]
Wow...that was actually a fairly well presented argument. But It doesn't fully convince me, I still believe it's how you're born..but I shall ponder what you have said, stranger. Thanks for the new POV
#44 to #38 - anon (10/10/2013) [-]
do people choose to be depressed or have anxiety? no its mental...which gets in the way of your argument. sexuality is in your brain and you cannot change it, which is why it is not a choice. (no homo)
#78 - Kairyuka ONLINE (10/10/2013) [-]
Even if it was a choice, I still don't see a problem.
User avatar #10 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (10/10/2013) [-]
Sorry but i fail to belive bi sexuals are born bisexual, they made a choice to swing in both directions.
User avatar #132 to #10 - zorororonoa (10/10/2013) [-]
Nah, being bi is just like being strait or gay. You found out one day that you found both guys and girls attractive.
#12 to #10 - nickita (10/10/2013) [-]
Speaking as a bisexual, if i made a "choice" it was not concious or of my own free will. My father is homophobic, he would kill me if he knew, and it shames me to no end when he makes a gay joke because i have to grit my teeth and take it. Daddy cant know that addys little girl is an abomination. Now, if it were a choice, dont you think id choose to be straight?
User avatar #14 to #12 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (10/10/2013) [-]
You are either gay or you are straight, being both is a choice. im sorry but your daddy issues do not make this any less true.
#15 to #14 - nickita (10/10/2013) [-]
No, actually, im bisexual. I cant choose not to like vaginas and i cant choose not to like cocks. So...
User avatar #20 to #15 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (10/10/2013) [-]
Why are people with emotions such imbeciles when it comes to these topics?
#21 to #20 - nickita (10/10/2013) [-]
Impling?
User avatar #17 to #15 - thebannedzombie (10/10/2013) [-]
So, how is high-school going for you?
User avatar #31 to #17 - craaabs (10/10/2013) [-]
Please reproduce. Best reply I've read all day.
#19 to #17 - nickita (10/10/2013) [-]
IF bisexuality is a choice, prove it to me. CHOOSE TO BE BISEXUAL.
User avatar #25 to #19 - thebannedzombie (10/10/2013) [-]
I don't give a **** if you eat carpet or suck dick, both, or neither. But given your reaction to my comment especially your initial " **** you" comment I would say that I was right on with my assessment of you just being an attention seeking highschool girl. Buckle up, it's going to be a long four years.
#26 to #25 - nickita (10/10/2013) [-]
Considering thats what started this argument, im calling ******* . And frankly that initial **** you reaction was because you assumed im something im not. And again, to be blunt, if i wanted attention, id get it from, oh, say, NOT OFF THE ******* INTERNET FROM A PREJUDICED IGNORANT ASSHAT
User avatar #28 to #26 - thebannedzombie (10/10/2013) [-]
I suppose I am prejudiced. I dislike children.
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#34 to #10 - Elemental (10/10/2013) [-]
Sexual orientation isn't black and white, straight or gay. For **** sakes the theory of evolution supports the fact that no, orientation isn't a choice and yes there are more than two options.
User avatar #39 to #34 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (10/10/2013) [-]
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
#45 to #39 - Bobtheblob (10/10/2013) [-]
Can't argue with this logic.
#112 - chadzelda (10/10/2013) [-]
I'm so sick of people arguing over this topic. If you want to be gay alright. Long as you don't go into McDonald dressed in a full slave outfit with a leash on, i see any problem.
#108 - bummerdrummer (10/10/2013) [-]
"If people are choosing to be gay, then conversely people must choose to be straight.

if you're a guy who feels like they are choosing to be straight, guess what?

you're gay."

-Todd Glass
#107 - anon (10/10/2013) [-]
Well, if it isnt just an orgy of cock sucking goatsemen down in the comments here. You all take faggotry to a whole new level of gay.
User avatar #101 - furriesown (10/10/2013) [-]
Where i live it's not a big deal to be gay, no one makes fun of them they are just normal people that like dicks and pussy for women.i have a friend and he just got a boyfriend but it's none of my business what they do, just let them do what they want.
#86 - beerwench (10/10/2013) [-]
Why can't people stop with this **** ? Seriously? What others do and who they love does not affect you.
User avatar #114 to #86 - yahooki (10/10/2013) [-]
Cause people thumb this kinda stuff up, and then there's a ********* in the comments
#115 to #114 - beerwench (10/10/2013) [-]
Well, sure I get that on here but the posting itself is just one more example of intolerant ignorance. I'm so fed up with people judging others for loving someone.
User avatar #61 - sodapops (10/10/2013) [-]
Hells, if I could choose to be bi, I would. Too bad men are disgusting.
User avatar #29 - jellybob (10/10/2013) [-]
It's a mix of both. No single definite answer.
User avatar #30 to #29 - jellybob (10/10/2013) [-]
In hindsight that was a rather Ironic way to phrase that...
#74 - iheartjackiechan (10/10/2013) [-]
I'm straight, but I would totally take Bradley Cooper's dick up my ass
#62 - erotic **User deleted account** (10/10/2013) [-]
I believe in gay rights/marriage but I don't give enough 			*****		 to consider whether it's a choice or not
I believe in gay rights/marriage but I don't give enough ***** to consider whether it's a choice or not
#89 to #62 - anon (10/10/2013) [-]
I know this is off topic, but your gif is so amazing!
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