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IMO woman need to get over themselves..

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#3 - requiemofsins (04/10/2014) [-]
It's rare to find people on the internet who will actually post an opinion with logic behind it.
Solid post, itbumblebri.
#28 to #3 - anon (04/11/2014) [-]
What's the logic here? I don't see it.
#29 to #3 - anon (04/11/2014) [-]
Men had no problem violating women’s bodies while they had on corsets, petticoats and farthingales, so what the **** makes you think a short skirt has anything to do with it?
#30 to #3 - anon (04/11/2014) [-]
Men also have no problem violating women’s bodies while they wear a niqab, hijab and burqa, some of the most covered form of clothing. So basically, what the **** makes you think clothes have anything to do with it?
#33 to #30 - anon (04/11/2014) [-]
yes and people still get robbed when they aren't throwing cash around, the point is it happens a lot more often when you do. The point of the whole post isn't that it only happens to those people but that it puts you in a worse position.
#67 to #33 - anon (04/12/2014) [-]
That's defending the rapist.
#6 - anon (04/10/2014) [-]
Just a couple of weeks ago a friend and I were walking home from getting food, laughing and talking.
It's about a 10 minute walk.
We were both wearing jeans, t-shirts, hoodies, boots, beanies and scarves.
Pretty freakin' covered.
We had three cars pull over and ask if we needed a ride.
One guy drove next to us for a good 300 yards after we had declined his offer hoping we'd change our mind.
But you know what, we were asking for a ride, apparently.
User avatar #8 to #6 - ljxjlos (04/10/2014) [-]
I ******* hate ride-culture nowadays. I hate how all men think woman are asking for a ride just by walking.
#23 - sierramistfourteen (04/11/2014) [-]
finally!  thank you for explaining this
finally! thank you for explaining this
#13 - jilliebean (04/11/2014) [-]
I definitely agree that people can take precautions, but at the same time, I feel like it's a slippery slope.
I feel like if we concede that clothing has some role in rape, then it makes it easier to revert to the "she was asking for it" argument, or to say that some women deserve fair treatment more than others (for example, to say that a scantily-clad women deserves justice less than a more modestly dressed one). Even in your content, you debase such women by calling them "hoes."
Therefore, I think it's better to be more conservative for issues like these. Thoughts?
User avatar #16 to #13 - choobe (04/11/2014) [-]
The law and courts shouldn't be involved. It is simply a case of realizing that world isn't as it should be.

I should be able to walk in a dark alley with a bunch of money in my hand without getting robbed, girls should be able to go around in her underwear without getting raped.

We should always try to make the world a better place, but to operate on the the logic that because it should be like that, it is like that is idiotic (but it's NOT HER FAULT if she get's raped, it's the rapists, rape is not acceptable).
User avatar #64 to #16 - jilliebean (04/11/2014) [-]
I understand that, but that also wasn't the focus of my argument.

I know women should be able to do as they please and not get raped (and that realistically, this isn't the case), but to say that they should be taking precautions seems to imply that women who don't take these precautions deserve justice less. Therefore, for the sake of the law/court, I don't think clothing choice should even be mentioned to prevent biases or assumptions about the victim. However, I do agree that women should be prepared for the worst.

But at the same time, I think the "precautions" argument assumes that to dress modestly automatically means you won't get raped, which obviously does not reflect the reality. I don't think a rapist would choose their victim based on clothing alone.
User avatar #65 to #64 - choobe (04/11/2014) [-]
Oh, then we agree, I don't think clothing wore when it happened should have anything to say in court (or in the justice system at all). People (rapists or would-be-rapists) should restrain themselves.
User avatar #66 to #65 - jilliebean (04/11/2014) [-]
Haha, I'm glad we agree!

But really, it seems like every issue surrounding rape is so difficult! Like here, where you can tell a woman to take precautions, but it might be misinterpreted by the justice system. Or the "slippery slope" thing, where people start to assume that only "sluts" get raped.
User avatar #4 - itsbumblebri (04/10/2014) [-]
I've just seen so many woman put out such a bad portrayal for the rest of us, and our thoughts on this. Just sharing my opinion on the situation, and honestly this is how alot of other woman I know feel about it.

Maybe it's just a Canadian thing lol
User avatar #47 to #4 - timmywankenobi ONLINE (04/11/2014) [-]
Ya in never understood that Feminist's constantly declare in the news etc. They speak for all women but only 17.1% of women agree with feminist policy and ideology . How can you speak for all women when only 17% agree with you ?
#20 to #4 - anon (04/11/2014) [-]
*rolls eyes* You don't have to be from Canada to think like a normal person.
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#35 - kingofhazard (04/11/2014) [-]
Well 			*******		 said!
Well ******* said!
#1 - buccaneer (04/10/2014) [-]
I find this offensive
User avatar #42 - itsbumblebri (04/11/2014) [-]
I just want to thank everyone for their opinions and supporting mine. I've been on FJ since I was a kid with my older sister. This is my first post and it's nice to see the FJ cmmunity first hand.
User avatar #2 - fistfireace (04/10/2014) [-]
I agree that women should wear appropriate clothing in public and have self respect; however, just because I think that, or anyone else for that matter, will not make them actually wear actual clothes.

But, hey, they can do whatever and if they get raped because of how slutty they dress and stuff, I'm not going to feel sorry for them and whatnot. I think it's still partially their fault if they get raped, but that's just my opinion.
#34 - sirbrentcoe (04/11/2014) [-]
i like how they try to make it a political debate, too, where liberals say piss your pants and puke to avoid rape. and republicans say shoot them. how about learn to defend yourself, without having to sacrifice your dignity, or commit murder to avoid a violent crime? like you said, respect yourself, and learn defense.
User avatar #37 to #34 - imagnetsux ONLINE (04/11/2014) [-]
all well and good, but im sure even Jackie Chan would feel safer with a gun if he had to face a rapist
User avatar #38 to #37 - sirbrentcoe (04/11/2014) [-]
true, which is why I carry everywhere I go. I'm a 6'4" 320lb man though.
User avatar #22 - forbesydemon (04/11/2014) [-]
The way i always look at it is:
You get taught not to steal, and how to prevent being stolen from.
You get taught not to attack others, and how to defend yourself from attack/avoid confrontation.
So why not teach not to rape, and teach how to prevent it.

There will ALWAYS be criminals who will do illegal things and going around with stupid signs saying "OMG MEN SHOULDN'T RAPE" or "SHE WASN'T ASKING FOR IT" ain't gonna solve **** . It ain't most men who rape, so don't be ******* stupid an learn how to avoid being targeted by criminals.
User avatar #7 - phawsy (04/10/2014) [-]
#1 thing to do if a persons gonna try to rape you? yell fire it will get attention much quicker than screaming.
#25 to #7 - jaked (04/11/2014) [-]
What? No it won't. Fewer people will give a **** about a fire in the distance than a rape in the distance.
User avatar #5 - harbydeath ONLINE (04/10/2014) [-]
Lets devide it to groups, woman sensiblis is not asking for it.
Woman Slutis is just a cumdumpster.

The same as a the difference between a black peson and a ****** .
or an american and a homosapien.
#69 - anon (10/30/2014) [-]
Women should not have to be cautious of what they wear in fear of being raped.
#58 - anon (04/11/2014) [-]
I see girls bragging about men making comments aimed at them on the street but when men do it to me I find it disgusting, it seems like some men think that women are there just as eye candy, which is why they can take it to the extremes.
#55 - anon (04/11/2014) [-]
I think it's pretty stupid when people compare rapist with thieves. Sure it's wrong to rob someone, but there could be an absolute need behind it. Maybe they're trying to feed themselves/family or they need to do it for whatever reason. Rapist don't have to have sex, sure they may get really horny but they won't die without getting any tail. Jerk yourself off or buy a fleshlight, you don't HAVE to have sex. People have to have money though.
It's like when people use the cross-walk allegory. We teach kids to look both ways before crossing the street, so rape victims could be at fault for not doing 'similar'. You can't rape someone by accident (usually,difficulty communicating is a different matter), but it is easy for someone not to see a person crossing the street or to be distracted while driving. I don't believe rape victims should be blamed for being raped. Sure they could be a bitch or whatever before the incident occurred, but that doesn't mean anyone deserves rape.
User avatar #57 to #55 - timmywankenobi ONLINE (04/11/2014) [-]
Rapist are driven by a need to hunt. A need to control a victim to feel power to feed their ****** up psychological problems.
#59 to #57 - anon (04/11/2014) [-]
Alright lets try a different approach.
Are victims of school shootings at fault? They should of taken proper measures before hand so they wouldn't get shot. The perpetrators are driven by a need to take out anger or revenge or whatever, and schools are a common place for that to happen. All the people who go to a school should take proper measurements to wear full body protection or its their fault they got killed.
User avatar #60 to #59 - timmywankenobi ONLINE (04/11/2014) [-]
the school is responsible to make sure the school is safe so put in a metal detector and make sure all the kids can get counseling so they don't become suicidal maniacs etc . the school and the victims aren't to blame for the shooting but they are to blame for not taking as much care as they should have.
#62 to #60 - anon (04/11/2014) [-]
Those measure have only been added in recently, and even then it's not in every school. Mine certainly did not have any of that. Law enforcers are suppose to help people, maybe we should have one on every single corner to make sure the waitress who works the late shift is able to make it home without being assaulted.
Rapist shouldn't be given any sort of leeway just because someone was 'asking' for it. I could go shoot someone on the street and say they were asking for it cause they were walking there. What makes my need any different then that of a rapist? They shouldn't have been at that very spot at that very moment. Or maybe it's a person who walks by every day, walking their dog. Maybe I hate people who own dogs that much and shoot the person because of it. They should have taken bigger measurements to protect themselves against me because they were totally asking for it.
User avatar #63 to #62 - timmywankenobi ONLINE (04/11/2014) [-]
again no one is asking or or deserves to be the victim of crime period full ******* stop

But, to deny their are simple precautions that lower the rates of these crimes happening is simply retarded.

Again personal responsibility and Criminal Fault are not the same ******* thing !
#49 - alstorp (04/11/2014) [-]
Still not asking to get beat up.
User avatar #43 - timmywankenobi ONLINE (04/11/2014) [-]
I agree , I think the best way to reduce rape is to tell people how to properly take precautions to reduce risk , carrying pepper spray and not going to bad poorly lit parts of town or dive bars alone late at night and never excepting open drinks from strangers or leaving your drink in the open can reduce you risk by well over 250% that is substantial. Now will the rapist still rape that night ? probably, but will the victim be you if you take precautions ? very unlikely but not impossible.
User avatar #40 - residentevilfan (04/11/2014) [-]
When it comes down to it rape is just forced love
#68 to #40 - anon (10/30/2014) [-]
No, rape is an act of power and control.
User avatar #41 to #40 - residentevilfan (04/11/2014) [-]
Also nice speech
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