I really want a series about these two
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somedudewhatever (12/23/2015) [-]
I said that to my dad like 5 seconds in to first meeting him.
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wisdomtooth ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Dont read that **** if you dont want spoilers people. Just a warning to those stupid enough to continue reading after the first couple words
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xgolgothax (12/23/2015) [-]
Even though it took up very little screen time, i did immensely enjoy the Finn/Po dialogue..Finn is just a great character and Boyega portrays him well.
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tealcanaan (12/23/2015) [-] ****** , ripoff movie, with bland, easily forgettable dialogue. Plus, Boyega is ugly as sin.
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tealcanaan (12/23/2015) [-] >constant veneer of sweat
>grossly pronounced under bight
>continuous gaped mouth expression
Okay bucko.
>grossly pronounced under bight
>continuous gaped mouth expression
Okay bucko.
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starlordoriginal (12/23/2015) [-]
*bite
If you're going to be racist, at least try to look intelligent rather than parroting what your parents likely told you growing up.
If you're going to be racist, at least try to look intelligent rather than parroting what your parents likely told you growing up.
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tealcanaan (12/23/2015) [-] There was nothing racist about that, he's just ugly, even for a black guy.
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slobiscuit (12/23/2015) [-] **slobiscuit used "*roll picture*"**
**slobiscuit rolled image**Being one of the people who has seen all previous star wars movies I have to agree that this movie compared to the previous movies, sucked dick. I was one of the first people to see the movie on dec the 17th. I don' even remember what they were saying. Hell I don't even remember their names.
Now if I pretend i didn't see the previous movies and score it even lower.
"DIVERSITEE". It was focken forced and you know it.
And the main girl, she just started to pick up things, oh look suddenly I can fly the Millenium Falcon, with no experience, and oh look I can fight with light sabers, with no experience what so ever, and oh look I can suddenly use THE force and better than the one who spent his time learning...
yeah it was sooo good /s
and now we'll see even more ****** star wars movies each year. I think I'd would just be better to finish there...
**slobiscuit rolled image**Being one of the people who has seen all previous star wars movies I have to agree that this movie compared to the previous movies, sucked dick. I was one of the first people to see the movie on dec the 17th. I don' even remember what they were saying. Hell I don't even remember their names.
Now if I pretend i didn't see the previous movies and score it even lower.
"DIVERSITEE". It was focken forced and you know it.
And the main girl, she just started to pick up things, oh look suddenly I can fly the Millenium Falcon, with no experience, and oh look I can fight with light sabers, with no experience what so ever, and oh look I can suddenly use THE force and better than the one who spent his time learning...
yeah it was sooo good /s
and now we'll see even more ****** star wars movies each year. I think I'd would just be better to finish there...
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lulusaurus (12/23/2015) [-] She has no experience with the falcon but she stated to being a great pilot and considering she knew a lot about it it's safe to say she knows what she's doing.
Implying Luke didn't just pick up a light saber too and trained for like two weeks.
They never showed that she was a better force user than Ben. The only reason she won was because Ben was injured, was using the force to hold his wound, and for the most part was going easy on her. Plus he's a punk ass bitch
Glad to know you think this movie sucked more than Episode 1, that pretty much discredit you
Implying Luke didn't just pick up a light saber too and trained for like two weeks.
They never showed that she was a better force user than Ben. The only reason she won was because Ben was injured, was using the force to hold his wound, and for the most part was going easy on her. Plus he's a punk ass bitch
Glad to know you think this movie sucked more than Episode 1, that pretty much discredit you
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slobiscuit (12/23/2015) [-] **slobiscuit used "*roll picture*"**
**slobiscuit rolled image**she never flew anything. sure she knows who stuff works, ya know fixing and stuff. but flying? bitch just started doing this sick ass moves all of a sudden and before that she barely managed to fly.
at least Luke trained. the bitch just started doing stuff. (was Ben also injured during the interrogation? I think not!)
Pls
**slobiscuit rolled image**she never flew anything. sure she knows who stuff works, ya know fixing and stuff. but flying? bitch just started doing this sick ass moves all of a sudden and before that she barely managed to fly.
at least Luke trained. the bitch just started doing stuff. (was Ben also injured during the interrogation? I think not!)
Pls
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lulusaurus (12/23/2015) [-] Rey knows how to fly, she states she's a pilot. The same way farm boy Luke is a pilot. Believe it or not, that's your problem.
I'll give you credit, the fail mind reading slip my mind. Simple answer, she has higher midi-chlorians than Ben.
I'll give you credit, the fail mind reading slip my mind. Simple answer, she has higher midi-chlorians than Ben.
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tealcanaan (12/23/2015) [-] Don't worry about the thumbs, the fanboys still suffer from nostalgia blindness. JJ Abrahms did the same thing he did with star treck, he scrapped down the old story to the bare-bones, added new forgettable faces and basic bitch dialogue and a bunch of action. I mean, this movie isn't even cohesive, transitions are jarring to the maximum effect. Also the setting don't even feel like a space opera, all confined, tight, no feeling of grandiose space.
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lulusaurus (12/23/2015) [-] >"Don't worry about the thumbs, the fanboys still suffer from nostalgia blindness."
>It's the fanboys bitch and saying the new movie is terrible.
k
>It's the fanboys bitch and saying the new movie is terrible.
k
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
He was kidnapped from his home and forced to become a Stormtrooper. He even says that Jakoo or whatever that planet was from the beginning of the movie was his FIRST ******* mission and he refused to kill anybody. I don't even think he fired his gun. Then upon seeing the slaughter of innocent people he betrayed the First Order; that same order that kidnapped him, forced him into a life he didn't want, refused to give him a name thus taking away any humanity he may. He had every right to betray those cocksucker, vader wannabe nerf herders
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anticitezenone ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I want episode 8 to just be "Finn and Po, Galactic Journey" Where it's just them 2 going from like the resistance base all the way to the other side of the galaxy to give something to someone and it's just them getting into shenanigans
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IamPinhead (12/23/2015) [-]
Finn is a much more likeable protagonist than anyone from the original trilogy, save Han Solo or Chewie
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Mr Unsmiley (12/23/2015) [-] Agreed. I didn't really end up liking Luke until he became a badass in RoTJ. Han was still the best part of the film though, probably because he and Finn had such great chemistry with everyone.
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doctorcamden (12/23/2015) [-] Prequel Obi-wan is my man. Straight up slaughters the chosen one. Loyal to the Jedi code to the end. No sway, no fear.
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norkasthethird (12/23/2015) [-] the movie would have been so much better if it was finn and poe instead of ray
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mazzy ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I hate her because she's for some reason automatically good with the force. She failed to mind trick a stormtrooper a couple times but the ****** part comes from the success.
And how the **** did she manage to force pull a lightsaber from going to Kylo? She's had literally no training. It's just a cop-out "I'm naturally good" **** .
And how the **** did she manage to force pull a lightsaber from going to Kylo? She's had literally no training. It's just a cop-out "I'm naturally good" **** .
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iamnuff (12/23/2015) [-] I think she is naturally good, but Kylo is also naturally **** .
Maybe he failed a couple of times when luke was training him, everyone expected better from the war-hero's son and the pressure got to him. Part of the reason why he cracked.
Kylo Ren wants so bad to be Darth Vader, but he's more like a ****** version of Anakin without his main redeaming feature (natural skill and talent). Whiny kid with authority issues who wants to be badass.
Of-course, now he's had his **** wrecked by not-even-a-padawan-Ray, he's probably going to knuckle down and do some serious training.
I think that's a pretty good explanation for all the saber-fighting to be fairly ****** in 7
The only person there who had any real training was Kylo, who was desperately trying to be Darth Vader, except he's not a seven foot tall cyborg and he's weak in the force.
Of-course, that only fits if we see Luke get his game on and he wrecks **** like nobody ever wrecked **** before in 8.
I want to see a bunch of sith or whatever all attack with flips and spins and choreography on par with 1/2/3 and luke to just stroll through them, parrying dodging and one-shotting each person with no effort.
Either that, or he fights someone almost as good as himself in a bigass fight-scene with Duel of the Fates playing.
Maybe he failed a couple of times when luke was training him, everyone expected better from the war-hero's son and the pressure got to him. Part of the reason why he cracked.
Kylo Ren wants so bad to be Darth Vader, but he's more like a ****** version of Anakin without his main redeaming feature (natural skill and talent). Whiny kid with authority issues who wants to be badass.
Of-course, now he's had his **** wrecked by not-even-a-padawan-Ray, he's probably going to knuckle down and do some serious training.
I think that's a pretty good explanation for all the saber-fighting to be fairly ****** in 7
The only person there who had any real training was Kylo, who was desperately trying to be Darth Vader, except he's not a seven foot tall cyborg and he's weak in the force.
Of-course, that only fits if we see Luke get his game on and he wrecks **** like nobody ever wrecked **** before in 8.
I want to see a bunch of sith or whatever all attack with flips and spins and choreography on par with 1/2/3 and luke to just stroll through them, parrying dodging and one-shotting each person with no effort.
Either that, or he fights someone almost as good as himself in a bigass fight-scene with Duel of the Fates playing.
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auesis (12/23/2015) [-] Kylo is damn strong. He can hold people completely in place, which seems like it would be harder than choking, and freeze lasers mid-air with little effort. There's also the whole "probe someone's mind" thing, but I'm not sure how tough that is.
The problem in the saber fights was that he had been shot in the gut by Chewie's boltcaster a few minutes prior, which is established multiple times in the film to be capable of sending regular chumps flying 10 feet. He tanked it pretty good and even slams the wound like an ape during the fight, whether it's to pump himself up or mask the pain or something.
The problem in the saber fights was that he had been shot in the gut by Chewie's boltcaster a few minutes prior, which is established multiple times in the film to be capable of sending regular chumps flying 10 feet. He tanked it pretty good and even slams the wound like an ape during the fight, whether it's to pump himself up or mask the pain or something.
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iamnuff (12/23/2015) [-] I think his chestbeating was him using the physical pain to try to drown out the pain of him just having killed his dad, semi-by-accident.
you'll notice that he knocks Ray down and gets a perfect shot at her on the ground, but instead of taking it, he backs off to punch his wound some more, because he's still having doubts.
Pretty sure if the sun getting eaten didn't happen at exactly the wrong time, he'd have just given up without a fight, but he took the sun fading as the "sign" he'd been asking for and reaffirmed his conviction to be a dickhead.
you'll notice that he knocks Ray down and gets a perfect shot at her on the ground, but instead of taking it, he backs off to punch his wound some more, because he's still having doubts.
Pretty sure if the sun getting eaten didn't happen at exactly the wrong time, he'd have just given up without a fight, but he took the sun fading as the "sign" he'd been asking for and reaffirmed his conviction to be a dickhead.
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iamnuff (12/23/2015) [-] Pretty sure his freezing thing was just a force paralysis thing. An uncommon apilcation of the force, but not exactly high-tier.
it's not like he was crushing people into juice, or shooting lightning everywhere. He might be able to stop things moving, but he rarely attacked with the force.
When put up against anyone who isn't totally defensless against the force used as a weapon he got punked.
Ray countered his mind-probe with her own, and she force-pulled the saber so hard it shot right past him even though he was also trying to pull it to him.
it's not like he was crushing people into juice, or shooting lightning everywhere. He might be able to stop things moving, but he rarely attacked with the force.
When put up against anyone who isn't totally defensless against the force used as a weapon he got punked.
Ray countered his mind-probe with her own, and she force-pulled the saber so hard it shot right past him even though he was also trying to pull it to him.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
His level of force paralysis is considered pretty damn high-tiered, especially with the EU no longer being canon.
He's not weak in the force. Rey is just a Mary Sue who is terribly written to be amazing at everything. Unless it turns out that she's a mind wiped padawan of Luke's, then there's zero reason she should be this strong. It's WAY more powerful than both of the Skywalkers combined when they first started using the force. Right now it comes across as a cheap cop out and a "muh strong woman" message
He's not weak in the force. Rey is just a Mary Sue who is terribly written to be amazing at everything. Unless it turns out that she's a mind wiped padawan of Luke's, then there's zero reason she should be this strong. It's WAY more powerful than both of the Skywalkers combined when they first started using the force. Right now it comes across as a cheap cop out and a "muh strong woman" message
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iamnuff (12/23/2015) [-] Force paralysis might be hard I guess, but he never does anything with it.
he stops a blaster shot, but blasters are rarely a threat to jedi or sith. he also stops someone who (at that point) had no defence against it.
He's weak, his swordsmanship is sloppy and he's undisciplined.
He's a punk-ass bitch. A nobody.
Ray might be about as strong as a half-trained Padawan, (yes, impressive for someone with no training) but it's not like she flipped on God-Mode to deal with him. He just failed.
He's not the darth-vader he wishes he was.
he stops a blaster shot, but blasters are rarely a threat to jedi or sith. he also stops someone who (at that point) had no defence against it.
He's weak, his swordsmanship is sloppy and he's undisciplined.
He's a punk-ass bitch. A nobody.
Ray might be about as strong as a half-trained Padawan, (yes, impressive for someone with no training) but it's not like she flipped on God-Mode to deal with him. He just failed.
He's not the darth-vader he wishes he was.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
You're missing the point. The mere ability to stop a blaster shot with the force is a feat that's incredibly rare. It takes a powerful force user to be able to stop one. Yes, they aren't a threat because he could easily just deflect them, but that doesn't mean that what he did wasn't incredibly powerful.
His lightsaber abilities are pathetic, but that's not the point of what I'm arguing anyways. It makes sense that he'd lose the duel seeing as he was just shot by Chewie and Finn also managed to wound him a bit.
What is terrible is that Rey can overpower him with no effort on her part. Whether you like him or not, Kylo is a strong force wielder. The blood of Skywalker still flows through him. Rey is most likely like Luke's daughter, but that doesn't account for her incredible power. If she wasn't previously being trained, she is a terribly written character. Within the context of just this movie, she is a terribly written character.
It does NOT matter that Kylo Ren isn't a fully trained sith. He should still be able to defeat someone who has had absolutely no guidance in the ways of the force, due to the mere fact that she shouldn't know how to use it. She didn't even know the force was real until a just a little earlier.
His lightsaber abilities are pathetic, but that's not the point of what I'm arguing anyways. It makes sense that he'd lose the duel seeing as he was just shot by Chewie and Finn also managed to wound him a bit.
What is terrible is that Rey can overpower him with no effort on her part. Whether you like him or not, Kylo is a strong force wielder. The blood of Skywalker still flows through him. Rey is most likely like Luke's daughter, but that doesn't account for her incredible power. If she wasn't previously being trained, she is a terribly written character. Within the context of just this movie, she is a terribly written character.
It does NOT matter that Kylo Ren isn't a fully trained sith. He should still be able to defeat someone who has had absolutely no guidance in the ways of the force, due to the mere fact that she shouldn't know how to use it. She didn't even know the force was real until a just a little earlier.
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iamnuff (12/25/2015) [-] Says who?
Seriously, EU is non-canon. It might be a unique trait that only he can do, it might be something incredibly difficult to learn or it might be something that anyone could do if only they knew the trick to it.
There's absolutely no indication that it takes a significant amount of power or strength to pull off, since the only person we see using it is Kylo Ren, and he's honestly a little sub-standard in all respects.
Seriously, EU is non-canon. It might be a unique trait that only he can do, it might be something incredibly difficult to learn or it might be something that anyone could do if only they knew the trick to it.
There's absolutely no indication that it takes a significant amount of power or strength to pull off, since the only person we see using it is Kylo Ren, and he's honestly a little sub-standard in all respects.
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padme (12/23/2015) [-]
There is a hint that she could have been a trainee of Skywalker's when Anakin's saber calls out to her and she touches it. There's a shot of a young Rey being taken away from something (potentially dangerous like Kylo slaughtering a Jedi Temple). Being placed into that Jedi training program was voluntary on the parents' part, as was explained by Leia and Han's discussion about Ben about half way through the movie. Knowing that, we can rule out that she was forcefully (no pun intended) put into Luke's program.
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malusdark (12/23/2015) [-]
Gonna say I have a problem with the weak in the force bit, hate the guy myself but that whiny ************ can freeze people and stop Blaster shots in mid flight well still keeping the monument going well talking to person who fired said shot. only four family lines could stop shots or lightsabers and one of those got reconted.
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pariahlol (12/23/2015) [-]
I wasn't even involved in the argument with you?
I wasn't here to discuss what was said, because I don't necessarily disagree with you. I was just reading the arguments on this comment and when I read your one I commented on it because if english was your first language I was going to be very disappointed. since it isn't, I don't care.
I wasn't here to discuss what was said, because I don't necessarily disagree with you. I was just reading the arguments on this comment and when I read your one I commented on it because if english was your first language I was going to be very disappointed. since it isn't, I don't care.
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stringfingerable ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I've been hearing a theory that she's Luke's daughter and that her being Force sensitive is somehow a bloodline trait that's been passed down to her. Now she has a high enough midichlorian count to use the Force and suddenly pull "I'm a natural" thing. Again that's their theory.
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skumbaner ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I was thinking that since it felt a bit implied that Luke was Rays father (at least I felt it was) during the vision after Ray touched Lukes saber, it and Ray would have some sort of connection which would mean that the saber "preferred" Rey over Kylo Ren. This would explain why Ray was able to overpower Kylo Rens force even though she had no prior training. This connection between Ray and the saber would also explain why it was calling out to her.
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travishein (12/23/2015) [-] It didn't, but there are several times in "A New Hope" where Luke did amazingly similar feats with a bare amount of nudging from Obi Wan. When Luke "cleared his mind" he was able to defend several blaster shots from the training remote...completely blind. Then, after receiving no further training (other than Obi-wan's voice in his mind) he fires a shot on the death star and force locates the shot into the exhaust port, without a targeting aid. Considering Luke had one of the strongest force connections out of the Jedi, if Ray is his daughter, it might mean that Ray's mother was also of the Jedi order. If Padme (who wasn't able to use the force) and Annakin sired 2 children who were able to feel/use the force (and in Luke's case be extremely powerful in the force), what would a union between Luke and a similar Jedi result in? Just a theory, but I think the minor feats she accomplished are in line with a stronger Jedi, but not necessarily the "strongest". Can't wait to see where they go with it.
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angelusprimus (12/23/2015) [-] You mean how Luke with all of five minutes of training was able to deflect light bolts from a drone while blindfolded?
Or how without any training he was able to shoot womp rats with his speeder in a feat of piloting that should be impossible?
Or how without any training Anakin could fly and win a deadly pro race at age 10. In a racer he built himself?
Or how he without any training what so ever was able to know what Jedi Masters were looking at during his testing?
Without even knowing they have force force sensitives can do amazing things. If they know they are, concentrate and believe they can do it, that's all it takes to do some basic things.
Now to do really amazing things, that takes training.
Or how without any training he was able to shoot womp rats with his speeder in a feat of piloting that should be impossible?
Or how without any training Anakin could fly and win a deadly pro race at age 10. In a racer he built himself?
Or how he without any training what so ever was able to know what Jedi Masters were looking at during his testing?
Without even knowing they have force force sensitives can do amazing things. If they know they are, concentrate and believe they can do it, that's all it takes to do some basic things.
Now to do really amazing things, that takes training.
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] "Going against remotes is one thing, kid. Going against the living - That's something else"
I'm sorry, but the fact remains that a person who has never even touched a lightsaber in their entire lifetime up until that moment has managed to both
1) overpower a trained Force user's Force Pull on said lightsaber (at that moment, I was honestly expecting the lightsaber to jump into Luke's mechanical arm, it would have been a much better moment to introduce him in the movie)
2) actually out-duel a trained Force user that was arguably proficient (at the very least) in handling a lightsaber
No, sorry, that's just stupid, no matter how you put it. Not to mention that Finn, a non-Force sensitive, manages to face off against Kylo Ren more than 2 seconds.
It's like giving an average person from the street a sword and have them duel a HEMA practitioner - I guarantee you that after just one move, your average person would be disarmed.
I'm sorry, but the fact remains that a person who has never even touched a lightsaber in their entire lifetime up until that moment has managed to both
1) overpower a trained Force user's Force Pull on said lightsaber (at that moment, I was honestly expecting the lightsaber to jump into Luke's mechanical arm, it would have been a much better moment to introduce him in the movie)
2) actually out-duel a trained Force user that was arguably proficient (at the very least) in handling a lightsaber
No, sorry, that's just stupid, no matter how you put it. Not to mention that Finn, a non-Force sensitive, manages to face off against Kylo Ren more than 2 seconds.
It's like giving an average person from the street a sword and have them duel a HEMA practitioner - I guarantee you that after just one move, your average person would be disarmed.
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angelusprimus (12/23/2015) [-] 1: Force power is based on force of will and either control of emotions, or focusing on them. Kylo just killed his father, I think we can safely say he was neither calm nor focused.
2: She outdueled an opponent who was distracted by the fact he just killed his father, was shot and bleeding for over four minutes by then and had his primary sword arm cut by previous opponent.
And while she hasn't used a lightsaber before, she was a proficient hand to hand combatant.
As we have seen with Finn fighting a Stormtrooper with a forceaxe, Stormtroopers are trained in hand to hand weapons.
Its not like taking an average person from the street and have them fight HEMA practicioner, its like taking a US marine who was trained to fight with tomahawks, and give him a sword, and then have him fight someone like John Clements. He still wouldn't stand a chance, but would be able to give quite a fight.
2: She outdueled an opponent who was distracted by the fact he just killed his father, was shot and bleeding for over four minutes by then and had his primary sword arm cut by previous opponent.
And while she hasn't used a lightsaber before, she was a proficient hand to hand combatant.
As we have seen with Finn fighting a Stormtrooper with a forceaxe, Stormtroopers are trained in hand to hand weapons.
Its not like taking an average person from the street and have them fight HEMA practicioner, its like taking a US marine who was trained to fight with tomahawks, and give him a sword, and then have him fight someone like John Clements. He still wouldn't stand a chance, but would be able to give quite a fight.
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] "Its not like taking an average person from the street and have them fight HEMA practicioner, its like taking a US marine who was trained to fight with tomahawks, and give him a sword, and then have him fight someone like John Clements. He still wouldn't stand a chance, but would be able to give quite a fight. "
...no, they wouldn't. Especially not against a ******* HEMA practitioner that is the modern-day equivalent to being a ******* Shaolin Monk, tuned in with the Force and whatnot.
P.S.: Kylo Ren being shot in the abdomen was (for ******* ******** reasons) just a minor inconvenience to him. He kept punching that wound to draw out pain and channel in the dark side, therefore it did not hinder him at all.
P.P.S.: Vader had also just killed his former mentor, are you implying that Luke & Han should have been able to take him down in Ep. IV? Yeah, just like I said - serious ******* ******** .
...no, they wouldn't. Especially not against a ******* HEMA practitioner that is the modern-day equivalent to being a ******* Shaolin Monk, tuned in with the Force and whatnot.
P.S.: Kylo Ren being shot in the abdomen was (for ******* ******** reasons) just a minor inconvenience to him. He kept punching that wound to draw out pain and channel in the dark side, therefore it did not hinder him at all.
P.P.S.: Vader had also just killed his former mentor, are you implying that Luke & Han should have been able to take him down in Ep. IV? Yeah, just like I said - serious ******* ******** .
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angelusprimus (12/24/2015) [-] "...no, they wouldn't. Especially not against a ******* HEMA practitioner that is the modern-day equivalent to being a ******* Shaolin Monk, tuned in with the Force and whatnot. "
Yeah, I've been member of ARMA for seven years now, and I can tell you that's ******** . There is a cross skill involved and well trained fighter can hold his own with a trained swordsman. For a little while. Which is exactly what happened. Finn didn't stand a chance, but also didn't go down easy.
And that's ******** . He was BLEEDING, do you have any idea, ANY idea how much that much of a blood loss weakens a man. He wasn't punching himself to channel dark side, he was doing something that's recommended in survival situations, causing himself pain to get an adrenaline rush to stop himself from passing out.
He was literally on verge of passing out all the time, and you think he wasn't hindered at all? Cmmon...
Vader has killed someone who cut off his limbs and left him to slowly burn to death on a scalding sand next to lava. Someone who he spend next twenty years hating with all his being.
Kylo killed a father he still loved, while struggling between the light side and the dark side, and his father's last words were that he'd do anything for him, and lest gesture as he died was to caress his face.
Hardly a same ******* thing.
Yeah, I've been member of ARMA for seven years now, and I can tell you that's ******** . There is a cross skill involved and well trained fighter can hold his own with a trained swordsman. For a little while. Which is exactly what happened. Finn didn't stand a chance, but also didn't go down easy.
And that's ******** . He was BLEEDING, do you have any idea, ANY idea how much that much of a blood loss weakens a man. He wasn't punching himself to channel dark side, he was doing something that's recommended in survival situations, causing himself pain to get an adrenaline rush to stop himself from passing out.
He was literally on verge of passing out all the time, and you think he wasn't hindered at all? Cmmon...
Vader has killed someone who cut off his limbs and left him to slowly burn to death on a scalding sand next to lava. Someone who he spend next twenty years hating with all his being.
Kylo killed a father he still loved, while struggling between the light side and the dark side, and his father's last words were that he'd do anything for him, and lest gesture as he died was to caress his face.
Hardly a same ******* thing.
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pariahlol (12/23/2015) [-]
I'd argue that Kylo Ren isn't as proficient as he seems. You get the strong impression that he hardly knows what he's doing, he often just let's his anger do the work. Then you have to take into account that when it comes to just pure combat, no force, both Rey and Finn aren't completely useless. Finn grew up a storm trooper and it would be stupid as **** to assume they never taught him anything about melee weapon combat, especially as we see in this movie that storm troopers do use that sort of thing. It wasn't enough for him to win obviously, but enough for him to last more than a couple seconds. And rey had that staff thing, and it seems to me she probably spent plenty of time defending herself on Jakku, so she knew the basics at least of what she was doing. That coupled with her strong use of the force that she was learning to use, and had been experimenting with leading up to this encounter, it's fairly believable. I just don't think Kylo is that good. He may aspire to Darth Vader's image, but he's less trained, less disciplined, and his mental battle between the dark and light side of the force weakens him. Without fully giving into the dark side he can't be as strong.
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Mate, she managed to not only resist, but REVERT that Force-mind probing-doohicky whatever thing Kylo Ren whas doing.
Repeat - not only resist (something which Poe did as well), but managed to GET INSIDE KYLO REN'S MIND!
Afterwards she manages do Jedi Mind Trick a stormtrooper, after 2 comically (of course...) failed attempts.
No, sorry, it just doesn't make any sense according to the rules of the lore already established.
As for becoming "attuned" to the Force and letting the Force guide your actions - remember just how hard it was for Luke to free his mind and start becoming attuned, in a semi-meditating state?
Yeah, you tell me someone who barely ever heard of the Force a few hours before (or have its existence acknowledged) can, in the heat of a life-or-death battle, able to do what Luke wasn't able to do under Yoda's guidance, under a very controlled environment.
Repeat - not only resist (something which Poe did as well), but managed to GET INSIDE KYLO REN'S MIND!
Afterwards she manages do Jedi Mind Trick a stormtrooper, after 2 comically (of course...) failed attempts.
No, sorry, it just doesn't make any sense according to the rules of the lore already established.
As for becoming "attuned" to the Force and letting the Force guide your actions - remember just how hard it was for Luke to free his mind and start becoming attuned, in a semi-meditating state?
Yeah, you tell me someone who barely ever heard of the Force a few hours before (or have its existence acknowledged) can, in the heat of a life-or-death battle, able to do what Luke wasn't able to do under Yoda's guidance, under a very controlled environment.
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pariahlol (12/23/2015) [-]
Look at my reply #90 to see my argument for why the established lore of the force allows for this. People for some reason, which I blame on the prequels, that it requires immense amounts of training do anything whatsoever with the force, but it's been established that you need little more than belief/faith, willpower and intent. Luke was much more resistant to the force initially, and he was much more conflicted. Luke couldn't free his mind because he had a lot more going on, we've already seen how Rey is much more relaxed and calm than Luke. Look at how she spends her time on Jakku, oftentimes alone, and just the scene where she relaxes by the ship has a meditative atmosphere to it. She doesn't get overly angry at the guy for shorting her rations, and she even refuses 60 rations just to save a little droid from being scrapped. She's much more calm and fitting the Jedi mindset at her base state than Luke was.
Also, it implies that she knows a good deal of the stories surrounding the force, when she reacts to meeting Han. She knew about the force for awhile, and had plenty of time (more than a day at least) to come to believe those stories.
Finally, as for the force-probe thing, just seeing how that is done I got the impression is a much more raw ability than others. He's just brutally forcing himself into people's mind. And if a normal person can resist for at least a bit, it's more than likely that she'll resist. Her reverting it wasn't the same though. I don't think she probed his mind in the same way. He was attempting to establish a connection, he's trying to force his way into her mind, and I imagine he's not necessarily defending himself, if anything he's practically leaving himself open, and the information she learns comes across as more of a feeling than raw info. That's my take on that situation. I don't think it was as impressive a feat as it seemed.
Also, it implies that she knows a good deal of the stories surrounding the force, when she reacts to meeting Han. She knew about the force for awhile, and had plenty of time (more than a day at least) to come to believe those stories.
Finally, as for the force-probe thing, just seeing how that is done I got the impression is a much more raw ability than others. He's just brutally forcing himself into people's mind. And if a normal person can resist for at least a bit, it's more than likely that she'll resist. Her reverting it wasn't the same though. I don't think she probed his mind in the same way. He was attempting to establish a connection, he's trying to force his way into her mind, and I imagine he's not necessarily defending himself, if anything he's practically leaving himself open, and the information she learns comes across as more of a feeling than raw info. That's my take on that situation. I don't think it was as impressive a feat as it seemed.
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kjftiger (12/23/2015) [-] I know I am jumping in the middle here but I was thinking about these same arguments and the only thing that I could think of was that Finn was possibly trained with something similar to the weapon the storm trooper had earlier in the film and that Kylo was loosing his cool and control, therefore being beat by beginners.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
Luke was going against a drone that was pretty set on easy. We don't know how long he was working on it, it just cut to the scene where he get's it right for the first time, but that didn't mean he mastered it instantly, nor do they even imply that. Kenobi and Yoda constantly tell Luke he isn't ready to face Vader, and what happens when he does? He gets his **** stomped and hand cut off.
Luke even stated in the movie that he and his friends shot womp rats for fun, so no it's not like he didn't have any practice.
Are you implying that was Anakin's first race?! Anakin's own mother said how much she hated him doing it because of how many times he's almost died. Also, every other racer was non-force sensitive. So Anakin and Luke BOTH had training prior to doing what they did in the movies.
That test Anakin took was a basic one that they did for ALL padawans. It wasn't anything special
But as everyone else keeps pointing out, Rey had no formal force training; at least not to the degree of Kylo, who was trained by Luke for years before turning to the darkside. Rey's situation is the same as every bull **** protagonist from animes. She has literally no force training but was able to do everything that other Jedi need to be trained to do.
Luke even stated in the movie that he and his friends shot womp rats for fun, so no it's not like he didn't have any practice.
Are you implying that was Anakin's first race?! Anakin's own mother said how much she hated him doing it because of how many times he's almost died. Also, every other racer was non-force sensitive. So Anakin and Luke BOTH had training prior to doing what they did in the movies.
That test Anakin took was a basic one that they did for ALL padawans. It wasn't anything special
But as everyone else keeps pointing out, Rey had no formal force training; at least not to the degree of Kylo, who was trained by Luke for years before turning to the darkside. Rey's situation is the same as every bull **** protagonist from animes. She has literally no force training but was able to do everything that other Jedi need to be trained to do.
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angelusprimus (12/24/2015) [-] 1: He has just started doing it, its ******* there in the movie. And please, where does it say its on easy. Also, let us blind fold you and throw three hard balls at you randomly in space of two seconds, and tell me how easy it is to beat them off with a stick.
2: He fought Vader, fully trained Dark Lord of the Sith, on Vader's terms, in a trap Vader laid up for him. She fought an opponent who had to keep punching his wounds to stop himself from passing out from blood loss. In a situation he never anticipated, while he was seriously messed up. Not to mention that Snoke says Kylo's training isn't complete. Hardly a same ******* thing.
3: They also say about Anakin that NO OTHER HUMAN was EVER able to compete in the races. And yet he wins with a speeder he, a ten year old, cobbled together in his back yard from junk parts. Yeah, nothing unusal there at all.
And Luke said HE used to shoot womp rats for fun, not he and his friends. And at speeds and sizes it should have been impossible for him to hit them. Except he used the force.
4: No Anakin and Luke had no FORCE training at all. They were self taught pilots who were doing things human shouldn't be able to do at all.
5: Actually they say his scores were exceptional, and while its not special to force sensitives, its impossible for normal people. That's the point. Force sensitives can do things normal people can't. Even without training.
6: Rey had no formal training, but knew roughly what Force can do. Once she was opened to the Force, she could try to do things. Kylo would have, and had, wiped the floor with her when he was at his best. BUT he was about to pass out from blood loss he had to keep himself in an adrenaline rush to prevent that, his arm was cut and he was in internal turmoil which weakens one's connection to the force.
Oh, and Luke managed to call a lightsaber to him with the Force without any training in it either.
2: He fought Vader, fully trained Dark Lord of the Sith, on Vader's terms, in a trap Vader laid up for him. She fought an opponent who had to keep punching his wounds to stop himself from passing out from blood loss. In a situation he never anticipated, while he was seriously messed up. Not to mention that Snoke says Kylo's training isn't complete. Hardly a same ******* thing.
3: They also say about Anakin that NO OTHER HUMAN was EVER able to compete in the races. And yet he wins with a speeder he, a ten year old, cobbled together in his back yard from junk parts. Yeah, nothing unusal there at all.
And Luke said HE used to shoot womp rats for fun, not he and his friends. And at speeds and sizes it should have been impossible for him to hit them. Except he used the force.
4: No Anakin and Luke had no FORCE training at all. They were self taught pilots who were doing things human shouldn't be able to do at all.
5: Actually they say his scores were exceptional, and while its not special to force sensitives, its impossible for normal people. That's the point. Force sensitives can do things normal people can't. Even without training.
6: Rey had no formal training, but knew roughly what Force can do. Once she was opened to the Force, she could try to do things. Kylo would have, and had, wiped the floor with her when he was at his best. BUT he was about to pass out from blood loss he had to keep himself in an adrenaline rush to prevent that, his arm was cut and he was in internal turmoil which weakens one's connection to the force.
Oh, and Luke managed to call a lightsaber to him with the Force without any training in it either.
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stringfingerable ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] True. What I think is that she has great potentialobviously. With that, maybe she just managed to scratch the surface in using the Force when she did. It's like it only happened because she desperately needed it, and now when the time comes for training, she'll have great trouble during then.
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deronemanwonder (12/23/2015) [-]
I agree that without training, she shouldn't be able to do anything with the force. It took Luke a long time training with Yoda, an extremely powerful, to just make a rock move. The theory I've heard is that Ray may have trained under Luke when she was little before she was left on that desert planet, but she had her memory erased, and that's why she doesn't remember anything before being left on that planet. She could have been sent away from the main group of Jedi apprentices before Ben (Kylo Ren) killed them all, so she has the training of a jedi apprentice, but it was just locked away in erased memories. Along the course of the movie, with all the talk of Luke Skywalker and the Jedi, her jedi powers started coming back and that's why she was able to use the force without seeming like she had training.
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runelh ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I'm sorry, but I can't accept that she is the "most badass Jedi we've ever seen." What a load of hyperbole. 90% of that light-saber battle with 'Darth Han Solo's son', she was fighting defensively and on the backfoot. 90% of that light-saber battle with 'Darth Han Solo's son', she was fighting defensively and on the backfoot.
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runelh ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Against a dull-witted stormtrooper and resisted a mind probe... It doesn't make her the next Kenobi or Skywalker. Everyone treats it like she mastered the force. No, she let go and listened to the force and the force helped her. She still far, far from mastering it.
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pariahlol (12/23/2015) [-]
Watch a New Hope again.
When Luke first uses the Force, he's extremely skeptical, he doesn't buy into all this hokey religion nonsense. Then, he's training with his saber and Obi Wan merely suggests that he close his eyes and use the force. As soon as he just attempts this and focuses on the force, he instantly is able to block the laser shots without seeing. That was hardly training, he just really had to believe. Obviously he still wasn't good yet, but he could still do things.
Now, let's think about Rey. Rey, has already bought into the force. She's obviously heard stories before and romanticizes it, based on how she reacts to Han. Then, Han tells her its true, tells her the force is real so she has even more reason to believe. Even more, she then has the vision, which makes it certain to her, and she knows she can use the force. So, when she's in captivity and is able to resist Kylo, she's starting to get a grasp on her abilities and she almost certainly believes. When push comes to shove, she almost certainly believes at this point and just has to do the same thing as Luke and try. Now, even then, possibly because the difficulty of the ability she tried to use, Rey still struggles at first and has to calm herself and truly focus/believe for it to work.
All in all, I find it pretty believable. Most people have this nonsensical notion that you have to be super trained to use the force, and I blame that mostly on the prequels.
When Luke first uses the Force, he's extremely skeptical, he doesn't buy into all this hokey religion nonsense. Then, he's training with his saber and Obi Wan merely suggests that he close his eyes and use the force. As soon as he just attempts this and focuses on the force, he instantly is able to block the laser shots without seeing. That was hardly training, he just really had to believe. Obviously he still wasn't good yet, but he could still do things.
Now, let's think about Rey. Rey, has already bought into the force. She's obviously heard stories before and romanticizes it, based on how she reacts to Han. Then, Han tells her its true, tells her the force is real so she has even more reason to believe. Even more, she then has the vision, which makes it certain to her, and she knows she can use the force. So, when she's in captivity and is able to resist Kylo, she's starting to get a grasp on her abilities and she almost certainly believes. When push comes to shove, she almost certainly believes at this point and just has to do the same thing as Luke and try. Now, even then, possibly because the difficulty of the ability she tried to use, Rey still struggles at first and has to calm herself and truly focus/believe for it to work.
All in all, I find it pretty believable. Most people have this nonsensical notion that you have to be super trained to use the force, and I blame that mostly on the prequels.
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crowsnest (12/23/2015) [-]
I've heard a pretty solid theory that she has been trained before, but underwent some sort of mind wipe perhaps? Maybe she was a force sensitive child training with Luke but got away before the Kylo fallout stuff happened. She is simply remembering how to use her powers. Idk but its weird to hate the main character for doing main character kind of **** man. Also Luke was pretty badass with the force after only like one week of training with yoda, and he didn't even really believe in it like Rey does. **** the prequel, train your whole life **** . It feels more like the OG trilogy to be a natural badass
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linkofcourage (12/23/2015) [-] I'm pretty sure rei is supposed to be one of the kids Luke was training, like Kylo.
Still doesn't explain how she's stronger than Kylo, but it explains her using the force
Still doesn't explain how she's stronger than Kylo, but it explains her using the force
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linkofcourage (12/23/2015) [-] She still had to be stronger in the force to pull the lightsabre when he was trying too
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
There's a theory in which luke trained her with the force as a child, but she's forgotten because she was too young, or they jedi mind wiped her or something...
I was seriously annoyed by her BS "I'm doing what it took luke years to learn, and is an established top-tier-jedi only trick", but this theory saves some face
I was seriously annoyed by her BS "I'm doing what it took luke years to learn, and is an established top-tier-jedi only trick", but this theory saves some face
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Plot-twist: due to Episode VIII being released post-2015 and due to SJW pressure, the big reveal is that Poe & Finn are gay. For no other reason than to be a PC movie.
Remember, you heard it here first.
Remember, you heard it here first.
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sgtmajjohnson (12/23/2015) [-] Did you see the movie? They were painfully telegraphing a relationship between Rey and Finn.
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holycrapimacupcake (12/23/2015) [-] Still better than what Anakin and Padme had going.
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sgtmajjohnson (12/23/2015) [-] Anything is. I love the movie, btw, I'm not hating on it. The relationship between Finn and Rey was just so obvious.
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sgtmajjohnson (12/23/2015) [-] I hope we see him **** up a bunch of the Knights of Ren with very little effort. I feel like that would be a good way to establish his badassery.
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holycrapimacupcake (12/24/2015) [-] I mean he's had years to hone his Force powers, I don't think he'd even need to move a muscle to crush them.
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sgtmajjohnson (12/24/2015) [-] That would also be cool as **** , though. Twenty of them whip out their lightsabers, then implode before they can move.
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sgtmajjohnson (12/24/2015) [-] That seems like it wouldn't be much of a confrontation.
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holycrapimacupcake (12/24/2015) [-] Dark Siders feed off their fear and anger, if Kylo has temper tantrums like that when he's mad, imagine how irrational and dangerous he'll be when he life is in danger.
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geneticrepo (12/23/2015) [-]
***** stole my coat.....
Oh, sorry, thought you were dead let me give it ba-
Nah man, just keep it.
Wut.
Oh, sorry, thought you were dead let me give it ba-
Nah man, just keep it.
Wut.
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sgtmajjohnson (12/23/2015) [-] I would absolutely watch a series that was only about these two; hell, I'd watch a series that was just about Poe. It wouldn't top my excitement for the Han Solo prequel movie, though. Han's easily my favorite character from the franchise.
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subaqueousreach (12/23/2015) [-] Apparently the guy from Kickass auditioned to play young Han Solo.
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sgtmajjohnson (12/23/2015) [-] I kinda hope he doesn't play Han. I don't care much for that actor, and he definitely doesn't have Han's charisma.
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Shadow Guardian (12/23/2015) [-] I disagree. I like Aaron Taylor-Johnson. I think he was best as Quicksilver though.
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sgtmajjohnson (12/23/2015) [-] I don't dislike him, I think he's fine in everything I've seen him in, but that's all he is IMO. He's just OK, he doesn't ruin the character with a terrible performance, but he's also never really impressed me. They need someone truly impressive in order to live up to Harrison Ford's Han.
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Antiquisition (12/23/2015) [-] I have just one thing to say to the people who say it's dumb that Rey could "out-force" Kylo Ren without any proper training:
Starkiller (Galen Marek) as a Kid.
Think about it, he was just a kid and without any training at all his connection with the force was so powerful, that he could force pull a lightsaber and fool Vader into thinking it was his fathers master whom he felt when entering the house.
He was not even a Skywalker (which Rey might be, according to fan theories) and he could do all of that without training. That gives me the impression that your strength with the force is way more important than your training when it comes to stuff like that, hell, Anakin built C-3PO and a Podracer and won the race when he was a kid, all through connection with the force, no training involved.
Starkiller (Galen Marek) as a Kid.
Think about it, he was just a kid and without any training at all his connection with the force was so powerful, that he could force pull a lightsaber and fool Vader into thinking it was his fathers master whom he felt when entering the house.
He was not even a Skywalker (which Rey might be, according to fan theories) and he could do all of that without training. That gives me the impression that your strength with the force is way more important than your training when it comes to stuff like that, hell, Anakin built C-3PO and a Podracer and won the race when he was a kid, all through connection with the force, no training involved.
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vicecomx ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Imagine if he woke up and Rey would run up and kiss him, and he would be like "I'm gay"
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niggledafiggle (12/23/2015) [-] I enjoyed watching both of them on screen. But I was taken aback when they said "Bro."
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Still not sure whether I like/dislike that Poe is basically a replacement Wedge Antilles ("Leia's best pilot"? C'mon, there was only one non-Force sensitive fighter pilot ace in the entire Rebellion) with some Han Solo quirks in him...
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Read the X-Wing series by Stackpole and Wraith Squadron - and yeah, you can liken Poe more to Wes Janson, but out of the movie cast/characters, he strikes me most of a blend between Wedge & Han.
Not to mention that Dennis Lawson was approached to play Wedge in the new movies, but declined, so I guess that's why they invented Poe Dameron to begin with
P.S.: Not to mention that Poe seems to be the leader-type of character, whereas Wes didn't really fit that bill
Not to mention that Dennis Lawson was approached to play Wedge in the new movies, but declined, so I guess that's why they invented Poe Dameron to begin with
P.S.: Not to mention that Poe seems to be the leader-type of character, whereas Wes didn't really fit that bill
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greyblade (12/23/2015) [-]
I guess, though much of wedge comes from the books - films don't give him a whole lotta screen time.
I dunno, I could see wes pulling off the leader job eventually - though Poe certainly does it better. as I said, he's like wes, but not quite. I'm looking forward to seeing more.
(also, I doubt they'd have wedge still flying missions in the new films. he'd probably be on leia's command staff or something)
I dunno, I could see wes pulling off the leader job eventually - though Poe certainly does it better. as I said, he's like wes, but not quite. I'm looking forward to seeing more.
(also, I doubt they'd have wedge still flying missions in the new films. he'd probably be on leia's command staff or something)
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piratedangel (12/23/2015) [-] Good thing I didn't watch the trailer , otherwise, I would've thought he was dead .
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DirefulDwarf (12/23/2015) [-] Did not enjoy this movie at all. Saw it last night and left feeling cheated. Plot was predictable and borderline stupid and i couldn't give you a single quote due to the forgetable dialogue.
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tealcanaan (12/23/2015) [-] JJ Abrahms did the same thing he did with star treck, he scrapped down the old story to the bare-bones, added new forgettable faces and basic bitch dialogue and a bunch of action. I mean, this movie isn't even cohesive, transitions are jarring to the maximum effect. Also the setting don't even feel like a space opera, all confined, tight, no feeling of grandiose space.
