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#3 - theguywhoaskswhy#391 on commentsRank#391

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(12/06/2017)[-]

>A foreign invader enters a country and starts telling people which gods they can and cannot worship
> You take their side
You disgust me.

#245 to #3 - nege

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Yes, the Empire is the real enemy here, N'wah!

#218 to #3 - captainkilljoy

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>implying Skyrim divided from the Empire has any chance of survival
>implying the Empire divided from Skyrim has any chance of survival
>implying worshiping Talos ******* matters in the least when the goal of the Thalmor is to erase all evidence of Akatosh, including his creations (ie genocide of all non-mer) to restore non-linear time and that stormcloaks aren't just whiny ignorant manchildren of absolutely everything around them

#320 to #218 - anon id: ad8fe8aa

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(04/02/2018)[-]

>believing imperial lies

#213 to #3 - theguywhoaskswhy#391 on commentsRank#391

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Man this comment thread just exploded.

#214 to #213 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

This argument is basicly is the elder scrolls equivalent of Cats VS Dogs.

#202 to #3 - tazze#488 on commentsRank#488

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>Tiber Septim aka Talos created the empire
>foreign invader (if you mean the empire)

>the whole empire, including the province of Skyrim couldn't stop the Aldmeri Dominion, which imposed the ban on talos in exchange for not being assimilated
>surely if we secede from the empire we can keep worshipping Talos without the Dominion curb stomping us immediately after the conflict, also we treat elves like **** so that gives them a great casus belli anyway

I mean I know nords have more strength than smarts but still

#174 to #3 - anon id: d36ef16c

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(12/07/2017)[-]

And YOU chose to betray balgruuf. Who's the disgusting one again?

#294 to #174 - hellboundstrength

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(12/07/2017)[-]

he made the choice himself there is no bretrayal you handed him an axe from ulfric giving him the choice of joining or being attacked and balgruuf chose imperial and like a coward ordered for legionaires to defend instead of their men "why not let a few legionaires die instead of our own" balgruuf was cool and kind but he betrayed the very statue outside his own ******* house.

#162 to #3 - obamaismywaifu#164 on contentRank#164

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(12/07/2017)[-]

i always just went with the greybreads so there could be peace and people could be happy, or at least not killing each other... as much

#219 to #162 - captainkilljoy

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Won't work. Goal of the Thalmor is to erase all of mankind and evidence of Akatosh to restore non-linear time. It's either the Thalmor or everyone else.

#161 to #3 - catburglarpenis#9 on commentsRank#9

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(12/07/2017)[-]

> siding with the **********

#203 to #161 - hellboundstrength

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Stormcloaks are far better than joining the irredeemable hollow shell of an Empire with a execution fetish. The thalmor need to pay. The Empire will never achieve that not with the thalmor constantly forcing them around. You want the jarls to still be a thing? Go stormcloak, cause tulius wants the jarl's, the holds gone. Talos gone. Skyrim is the place where man first landed from atmora don't eradicate that culture

#228 to #203 - masterspectre

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>Thiniking that a bunch of country hick Nords from a single province can defeat an enemy that nearly crushed an entire Empire
>Thinking Tulius legitimately wants the Jarls and Holds gone instead of him just thinking they are weird

#230 to #228 - anon id: 13d5e80e

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Oh ****, I made that lol

Made an updated one too recently lmao

#140 to #3 - lewdsalt#89 on commentsRank#89

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(12/07/2017)[-]

In roleplay my character was just extremely petty. They had him killed even though he didn't do anything. He went out of his way to dethrone the entire establishment just because of It. He didn't care whose side he was taking as long as he killed the *******.

#100 to #3 - minneman

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(12/07/2017)[-]

What MAN would ever chose the legion dogs?
No man at all

#176 to #100 - anon id: 13d5e80e

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(12/07/2017)[-]

: ^)

Ok friendo

#93 to #3 - vegeta

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(12/07/2017)[-]

You got caught crossing the boarder in an area of conflict, and they forgive you of all transgressions. while the HOME TURF sends a ******* army at the first City that gives you refuge. **** THE STORMCLOAKS.
AND THE THALMOR HAVE NOTHING THE **** TO DO WITH THE EMPIRE, THESE ARE TERMS OF AN ARMISTICE NOT A DAMN PEACE TREATY. Ulfric is an ASSET to the Thalmor.
and I'm almost certain that Ulfr the blind would be a better jarl of windhelm, ******* fight me. you Criminal scum.

#205 to #93 - hellboundstrength

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(12/07/2017)[-]

"forgive you of all transgressions" .. forget the list he/she goes to the block bitch. if that dragon didn't show up you would of lost your head by the "forgiving" empire

#308 to #205 - vegeta

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(12/08/2017)[-]

Ulfric sends his axe to whiterun. It means use it with me or I use it on you.
And yet jarl balgruuf lives regardless of the side you choose.
I want a group that follows through. If you survive a dragon attack you may as well have survived execution.
Not to mention the idea that the events of Skyrim take place all in the split second before your head gets lopped off for real... Tch dragon born. More like thalmor Manchurian candidate.

#102 to #93 - demicus

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Just gotta say, your avatar fits that all caps rant perfectly.

#91 to #3 - caesarslegion

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(12/07/2017)[-]

**** you, Emperor Titus Mede was faced with an impossible decision, when he refused the Aldmeri Dominion steam rolled the Empire and SACKED THE IMPERIAL CITY.

That had nothing to do with "the Empire being weak" when the Emperor finally defeated ONE ARMY of the Aldmeri Dominion at the cost of almost the Entire Imperial Legion he said;
"****, either I sign this, or they kill us all and enforce it anyways."

The whole reason the Aldmeri Dominion are in Skyrim is because the Empire was lax in their "enforcement" of the Talos ban.

Unified Tamerial is the only way the Aldmeri Dominion loses. You have to realize that the AD's power doesn't come from its "warriors" but the massive amount of Mages it has in its Armies.

Think about that while you consider that most Nords are ACTUALLY AFRAID OF MAGIC. And while one Nord may be able to suck it up and attack a mage, a massive army of Nords all feeding into eachother's fear would likely route after half their army is destroyed by a wave of fire casted by Aldmeri mages.

#70 to #3 - mynameisgeorge

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>A foreign invader

If you mean the sovereign empire that the country pledged fealty to, then yeah.

#68 to #3 - jaaabrocon

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(12/07/2017)[-]

That picture isn't an implication that the empire is better, it's an implication that the stormcloaks suck. You mean to tell me you're a fan of Ulfric "Racewar" Stormcloak? Maybe the only thing the picture is saying is that it's a stupid idea to want to join up with Winter Hitler.

#73 to #68 - thejinxer

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(12/07/2017)[-]

to me, both sides are retarded, one is racist and the other is cultralist

the difference (for me) lies in that the imperials are just the thalmor's bitch

I mostly play khajit and i still support the racists

#75 to #73 - jaaabrocon

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Personally, i dont join either faction when i play because i enjoy killing the **** out of both sides whenever i find them (usually played with the civil war mod so you'd see skirmishes all over skyrim). I agree, both are retarded. It really sucks that you have to choose one side in order to beat the main story line, I wish you could just complete it on your own. That's actually one of the big reasons i've only beaten skyrim once, I don't think either faction is worth my time and I don't like joining them.

#166 to #75 - anon id: 237c7373

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(12/07/2017)[-]

You don't need to join any side for the main story.
If you don't join either side, a meeting will be held between Greybeards, empire and stormcloaks to negotiate temporary truce to defeat the dragon problem.

#167 to #166 - daniboyi

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Why the **** did I post as anon?

#256 to #167 - jaaabrocon

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Really? I always thought that meeting forced you to pick a side and stick with it. That's cool then, I just assumed I'd have to pick by that mission that never progressed that far in the main story line again.

#267 to #256 - daniboyi

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Not pick a side. You just negotiate a few deals between the two factions over who gets what town.
You can be biased as ****, but that doesn't force you on either side.

#74 to #73 - thejinxer

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(12/07/2017)[-]

oh and >>#49 speaks truth

#55 to #3 - BrownBearninetysix

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>Causing chaos in your own country so the Thalmor have an excuse to roam around abducting people from their homes on suspicion of Talos Worship.

#37 to #3 - hejhag

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Friendly reminder that Ulfric Stormcloak was being manipulated by the Thalmor and his rebellion was entirely a part of their plan so they'd have a reason to attack again. Stormcloaks all just got tricked.

#49 to #37 - hellboundstrength

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Friendly reminder that the dossier says that EITHER side winning is bad for them, they want to stretch this conflict as much as possible. I've done all the sides and the stormcloaks really is the best option strategically a fully Nordic Skyrim can easily defend themselves against the thalmor, you only way for the thalmor to even invade them directly is to sail there, you know through the sea of ghosts. And besides even if the empire has Skyrim their still barely a shadow of their former self. No blades, no true emporer they execute anyone they see (your not even on the list you're nobody and their like "off with his/her head" then the first time you walk in solitude they're executing a guy for opening a gate for ulfric. ) At least the storm cloaks are trying to keep their culture alive the empire gave up everything they had to be thalmor cucks

#223 to #49 - captainkilljoy

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Only two independent provinces have any hope of keeping the Thalmor at bay. Firstly Hammerfell because that's what they've always done and their warriors when properly trained are the greatest swordsmen in Tamriel and secondly Black Marsh because the Argonian race can be mustered into Black Marsh as soldiers at any time at the will of the Hist.

#210 to #49 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

The entire reason that they think "either side winning" would be bad for them is because they want the civil war to drain as many of the Empire's resources as possible, to prevent the empire from properly recovering from the last war.

#211 to #210 - hellboundstrength

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(12/07/2017)[-]

No they want as much men slain as possible so they can't have an army to defend with as well as much resources from both sides skyrims and the empires

#212 to #211 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

I want to refer you to >>#191 on the matter as to why an independent Skyrim, regardless of how quick the war ends, will not be a very strong competitor for the Aldmeri Dominion.

#215 to #212 - hellboundstrength

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(12/07/2017)[-]

So stormcloaks win becomes a independent nation which geographically is almost perfect for defense from the thalmor, and the empire still will have "at least" 17 legions

#221 to #215 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Yes, then the Aldmeri Dominion crushes a militarily weakened and resource-deprived empire, because an empire without access to the mines of skyrim will be hard pressed to replace their weapons and armours.
After that, the Dominion just has to block trade routes, since Skyrim according to lore cannot support enough farmland to feed it's own population and therefore relies on trade (or before the empire, frequent raiding) for food. Keep this up until the armies of skyrim are hungry and weakened, while securing an alliance with the Dunmer in exchange for aiding them in rebuilding infrastructure and protecting them against argonian raids into southern morrowind. (Either that, or they just straight up invade the **** out of the already incredibly weak morrowind. Either works.)

After this, you simply just attack the province from multiple sides. The much smaller numbers of the nords won't be able to protect both the sea-route (I mean come on, using Morrowind as a staging point for their fleets kinda heavily reduces the protective qualities of the sea of ghosts when it comes to a sea-based invasion, since the trip is much shorter and you therefore don't need to expend quite as much magical energy at keeping the weather clear,) the three cyrodillic routes, and the two routes from morrowind all at once. And even if they managed to hold a few of these routes, their fewer numbers, lower troop quality (Most elven professional soldiers have had at least a few decades in combat training, while older soldiers may have hundreds or over a thousand years of experience with a sword) and lower equipment quality (I mean, elven equipment compared to iron, steel and furs? It's not really a contest even,) combined with the widespread cultural fear and distrust of magic, I honestly believe that most actual battles would be short-lived as the nords quickly get overpowered and rout.

#216 to #215 - hellboundstrength

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(12/07/2017)[-]

On top of that if the thalmor wanted to invade Skyrim by land they'd have to go through all the other nations along the way basically including hammerfel and cyrodill either that or by ships through the sea of ghosts and good ******* luck with that

#227 to #216 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>>#221

#198 to #49 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>>#191
>>179

#82 to #49 - spyderslicer

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Except. It's not.

If the Stormcloaks win and the Empire is evicted? A huge force of troops is ejected from the region leaving Skyrim with a far smaller fighting force.

You've also got the problem with how little credit you're giving the Thalmor. If they can wipe out Skyrim, they will eventually be able to wipe out the world.

This idea that a united Skyrim free of the Empire could hold its own is wrong. Skyrim simply doesn't have the resources on its own to survive. It relies almost entirely on trade and the Empire is keeping those routes open. If the Empire fails and the Aldermi Dominions gobbles them up, Skyrim gets cut off from trade as they will seize the routes and starve the province out. Without the Empire protecting High Rock it will fall, Hammerfell might intervene to help the Bretons, but possibly not. Hammerfell can probably hold itself off from the Elves.

Skyrim can't. Look at its fighting force. They are mostly country bumpkins, farmers and the like. Alone they will lose quickly. The Aldermi Dominion could destroy them easily.

Now you ask, why don't they? Because of how the Empire had an ace up their sleeve and ****** them hard at Hammerfell. The Aldmeri Dominion wasn't expecting the huge influx of new manpower to suddenly appear on the flank and reinforce the province. That along with stone wizards, sword singers and ******* cannons won them the day.

So the Aldermi Dominion learned from that. So they are playing the long game, they are hoping for this war between the Empire and Skyrim to last years. For these two factions to bleed each other dry so they can swoop in and destroy them both.

Skyrim doesn't have an ace like Hammerfell did up their sleeve.

So no, if Skyrim batters back the Empire they will be weakened.

Now I know that it would be nice to think that the Aldermi Dominion couldn't just sail in from the north (sorry to inform you that Skyrim can't hold the entire coast). It would be nice to think that the Aldermi Dominion wouldn't just finish off the Empire, take Cyrodil and then invade from the south through Bruma. They would, and they don't need an all out war, they just need to hold the roads and choke the cities out.

They will just camp the waterways leading to Solitude and Winterhold and toast any ships bringing in supplies. And when those ships sink? No food for you Nords, sorry.

And again, the Aldermi Dominions end goal is world conquest. When they enter after the war is finished, it isn't going to be an occupation, it will be straight up extermination.

One of the best things you could hope is to try and get the two factions to work it out and join together. Because short of that, I don't even know how Bethesda is planning on doing for the next title that doesn't involve the world being ******. The Dragon Born has already been written out, so. . .

#173 to #82 - kalaark

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(12/07/2017)[-]

The dragonborn has been written out?

#199 to #173 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

The dragonborn is entirely irrelevant to the argument, even if he doesn't follow the route described by >>#196 because anything he could do to aid the Stormcloaks could also be used to aid the Empire if he choses to join them instead.

The only real difference between going Stormcloak or Imperial is an argument of Preservation of culture and lives in the long run VS The current need for religious freedom.

Join the Stormcloaks, and a large portion of human civilization will be wiped out along with their culture (because an empire without access to the mines of skyrim will be hard pressed to replace their weapons and armours)

Join the Empire and there will be a few more years of religious oppression while the Empire prepares for the upcoming second war. Overall, more lives, technology and civilization will be preserved.

#200 to #199 - spyderslicer

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Uh no. The Stormcloaks win the world literally ends.

The Empire wins and hopefully they can keep the Aldermi Dominion at bay and scrape together a way to batter them back.

#224 to #200 - captainkilljoy

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(12/07/2017)[-]

The world doesn't end lmao the next kalpa just begins, eventually, even if it takes trillions of pseudo-years. It's kind of inevitable that since it happened once it'll happen again. Though since the inhabitants of the current kalpa have demonstrated an ability to achieve CHIM this one matters quite a lot and would best be maintained.

#201 to #200 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

I'm talking about the best possible outcomes for the scenarios.

#196 to #173 - spyderslicer

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(12/07/2017)[-]

The end of the Dragonborn DLC forces the player to serve Hermaeus Mora. It was clearly done that way to force the Dragonborn down one route. To tie everything up. So there are a bunch of possible normal endings for Skyrim. But with Dragonborn it boils it all down to one 'true' ending.

The civil war will be however Bethesda wants it to go. Whatever happens with the various guilds is up to them. The Dragonborn is going to be a footnote on page 4 on a book for the 'dragon crisis' listed as 'become Hermaeus Mora's bitch'.

#292 to #196 - kalaark

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(12/07/2017)[-]

The more I learn of Skyrim, the less it feels like an Elder Scrolls game.

#32 to #3 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Hey mate wondering if we can a civil discussion about why you are on the Nords side.

#63 to #32 - psychoblue

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Was originally 100% in for the Imperials before I got into the deep lore of how the thalmor are genocidal lunatics. As the dragonborn I gotta stop the world from getting Nuked into non-existence. If that means Siding with Ulfric to Keep the Elves away from one of the Last functioning Towers on Nirn, then I gotta do what I gotta do. Even if Ulfric is a bit of a racist cunt (I play Dark Elves and Orcs. Ulfric wasn't a fan).

#65 to #63 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

You have to remember if Skyrim becomes a independent kingdom they are no longer protected by the white-gold concordat. which means the Thalmor can invade them and more than likely run them into the ground.

If the Empire with the help of Nords could barley fight against them, why do you think they can defeat them by themselves?

#69 to #65 - psychoblue

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(12/07/2017)[-]

I had two ways of thinking about this. the realistic way is that skyrim gaining independence would potentially cause other imperial provinces like High rock and Hammerfell to declare independence as well (remember the Alik'r Royal families hated the Thalmor with a passion). Because Skyrim comprises so much of the Empires resource production (trees, silver, Iron, Ebony, etc) there's no way the Empire would be able to sustain multiple rebellions and would have to let them leave. This would likely cause the new independent factions to form an alliance Elder scrolls Online style out of sheer self preservation (Daggerfall Covenent for life bitches). Combine this with the fact that there's lore Showing likely rebellions in Elsewyr and Valenwood and I think we'd have a good chance at pushing back against the Aldmeri dominion. The video game way of looking at this is I'm the Mutha ****** Dragonborn and I can Shout these prissy Elf bois off cliffs.

#72 to #69 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Well Hammerfell is already independent and so is Argonia (Blackmarsh) so they could come help fight. I'm not so sure about Skyrim being a large resource producer for the Empire though, I will have to look into that.

I wouldn't be surprised by there being rebellions in Elsewyr and Valenwood. a good portion of those populace more than likely hate the Thamlor as much as the stromcloacks.

#26 to #3 - sirmaximillian

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Yeah buddy when you're about to go into war you should seperate and try to stand alone against a much more powerful enemy instead of working together. For ***** sake the both the thalmor and the empire gave no **** about talos worshiping until the Ulfric's autism squad started screaming about talos. Also invading force? You mean like how the nords took a large amount of land from the elves?

#209 to #26 - hellboundstrength

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(12/07/2017)[-]

You mean how the atmorans and snow elves were bros for a while but then the snow elves saw the atmorans were growing too quickly and attempted a complete genocide in the night of years which was the beginning point for all nords hatred of mer.

#25 to #3 - iwasfrozentoday

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>Being so stupid that you buy into the simple rhetoric of "EBIL OUTSIDERS" without seeing the bigger picture

If the Stormcloaks wouldn't have started a war like some retarded apes the Imperials would have stood a chance against the Thalmor in the long run
The Thalmor get dripping wet over the thought of 2 of their enemies slaughtering each other

Stormcloak mouthbreeders destroyed any chance of the empire rising again

#27 to #25 - theguywhoaskswhy#391 on commentsRank#391

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(12/07/2017)[-]

And at what point did the empire say "Shh guys, its totes cool, we're just luring them into a false sense of security til we marshall our forces, then we can **********. You can worship whoever you like after that. Hey, maybe you'd like to help?"

#6 to #3 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/06/2017)[-]

The Empire never had anything against talos or the nords. the only reason the ban of talos is there because they didn't want to get butt ****** by the Thamlor.

You have to remember if the Empire didn't accept the white-gold concordant then the Aldmeri dominion would more than likely have won the great war and talos worship would still be banned.

#295 to #6 - billymayss

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(12/07/2017)[-]

My ancestors are smiling at me, imperial. Can you say the same?

#181 to #6 - rassamdul

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(12/07/2017)[-]

The imperials try to kill you, just because they didnt knew who you were. I have played through it 4 times, and not once have i supported the imperial scum

#185 to #181 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

This comment almost always comes up and sounds dumb each time.

#175 to #6 - fjkabob

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>pussy ass imperials never though they could beat the thalmor so they fought to the death everybody who tried
if those faggots banded together with the stormcloaks those effeminate elves would've been eaten for breakfast.

#110 to #6 - cutiepyro

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(12/07/2017)[-]

colleges should have classes specifically made to understand elder scrolls lore

#41 to #6 - hazardpay

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(12/07/2017)[-]

If the empire cant make a decision without involving their fear, then they arent fit to make decisions and talos will continue on.

#45 to #41 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

The Empire didn't make the decision out of fear but out of strategy. why risk the chance of losing completely when you can make a deal and bid your time.

I rather have a few years of ****** leaving then be completely destroyed and have my cultured wiped from history.

#293 to #45 - asugar#300 on commentsRank#300

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Taking away talos would unmake reality, but sure, appease the nazi elves.

#298 to #293 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Taking away talos would not unmake reality. he is not the only divine, there are 8 more divines that can keep that from happening.

#300 to #298 - asugar#300 on commentsRank#300

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(12/07/2017)[-]

www.imperial-library.info/content/for...

#232 to #45 - martialnorris

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(12/07/2017)[-]

I like these discussions, but as I played the most with a mage who OP'd in destruction, so nothing could touch me. I guess it goes to several builds as well. What I'm saying is whichever side you chose has YOU in the equation. And since battles are like 20 vs 20, the Dragonborn can basically conquer the whole Tamriel by himself. No wrong choice there, and the Stormcloaks have the moral high ground of never selling out their beliefs. And also the low ground of being a ******* racists. It's a dillema

#125 to #45 - anon id: c4c096d0

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(12/07/2017)[-]

That's also a few years for the Thalmor to get stronger, too, why choose the side that's already under the boot and doing the bidding of the real threat?

#179 to #125 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Because, humans breed much faster than elves.

All those lives lost in the great war? Humans replenish those numbers muuuuch faster.
Currently the empire and the dominion are both in a state of cold war, but you need to remember that the nords don't have a right to call the Imperials cowards. The war didn't take place on skyrim's soil. Their civilians and infrastructure were prospering during the war, due to, for example, metal exports.

The imperials had to watch their friends and families be slaughtered in the streets with every city claimed by the dominion. But they manage to swallow that stupid pride, re-capture the imperial city and the white gold tower, and then they agreed to a peace treaty. The more time that passes, the higher chance for an imperial victory during the next war, unless skyrim breaks free and screws any chances that humanity might have ever had for survival.

#126 to #125 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Cause together as a whole the Empire and Nords have a better chance then separate.

#106 to #45 - deathblossomfour

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>I rather have a few years of ****** leaving then be completely destroyed and have my cultured wiped from history.
But the Empire banned the observation of a big portion of the Nords' culture at the mere request of the Thalmor. If that isn't an attempt to have your culture wiped from history, I don't know what is.

#114 to #106 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

They didn't ban it at a mere request, they banned it cause it was a part of the deal.

#234 to #114 - deathblossomfour

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Unimportant distinction. The result is the same. The nords' choices are either do nothing and lose their culture or rebel and maybe get to keep it.

#283 to #234 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

The Nords still have their culture under the ban, they just can't do it openly. if they rebel and win the civil war they are just going to get butt ****** and lose their culture.

#98 to #45 - rougarou

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(12/07/2017)[-]

It’s been 30 years traitor, time to fight or admit you’re wrong.

#222 to #98 - masdercheef

Reply+21

(12/07/2017)[-]

Pretty sure that's, like, half the reason ****** going down in Skyrim. The Thalmor know the Empire's about to nut up and take the fight back to em, so they started the Stormcloaks getting uppity to keep the Empire distracted.

#271 to #222 - rougarou

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Right, so instead of playing into their plans, why not unite against the thalmor? How long is long enough to lick your wounds? Why would the empire prefer to slaughter its own people than fight the true enemy? All this does is set you back another 30 years, weaken you for invasion, or prove that you have no intention of combatting the thalmor ever again.

#297 to #271 - casterxd

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Because the Thalmor don’t give a **** about mankind. If the Empire were ever to gather it’s strength again they would turn on the Thalmor, so you keep them weakened by internal strife. The Empire wants to keep what little land it can, but the Nords are already fed up with their lax attitude and reject their complacency to being the filthy elves bitches.

#301 to #297 - rougarou

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(12/07/2017)[-]

I agree, which is why I feel the empire is wrong for playing into the thalmor strategy. You’re strong enough to fight your own people, you’re strong enough to fight the real enemy.

#279 to #271 - efeye

Reply0

(12/07/2017)[-]

Ever heard the tearm "unification war"?

#280 to #279 - rougarou

Reply0

(12/07/2017)[-]

Sure but I don’t see how that applies. If you can afford a war against your own people, can you not afford a war against the enemy?

#81 to #45 - themanwithavoice

Reply+6

(12/07/2017)[-]

Guys, guys. Can we all just agree on one thing? **** the Mer.

#83 to #81 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

Reply+30

(12/07/2017)[-]

**** the High Elves.

The Bosmer and Dunmer are alright in my book.

#236 to #83 - welcomemat#254 on commentsRank#254

Reply0

(12/07/2017)[-]

All elves are suitable for ******* though

#101 to #83 - expertbog

Reply+25

(12/07/2017)[-]

> Dunmer
> D A R K E L V E S
> Deadra worshipping, genocidal, holier-than-thou slavers

Yeah they're ok i guess

#111 to #101 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

Reply+5

(12/07/2017)[-]

I'm fine with all the **** cause it happened in the past and they don't sit around whining about the past.

#115 to #111 - expertbog

Reply+12

(12/07/2017)[-]

Yeah, and it's not like karma didn't catch up with them, what with them being spit roasted by eruption of red mountain and the Argonians invading and conquering what was left of Morrowind

#116 to #115 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

Reply+5

(12/07/2017)[-]

Oh yeah they got ****** by the red mountain and those lizard lords.

#43 to #41 - wallbuilder#325 on commentsRank#325

Reply+28

(12/07/2017)[-]

"C'mon bro, which would you rather not happen? Your people genocided or be a pussy?"

#44 to #43 - hazardpay

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(12/07/2017)[-]

*Chooses pussy* Now make them choose to be a pussy.
*Chooses genocide* Put up a fight, you're an army arent you?

#47 to #44 - wallbuilder#325 on commentsRank#325

Reply+29

(12/07/2017)[-]

Yeah it's really cool to put up a fight, to fight to the last man but when your friends, family and people are genocided and enslaved as a result of you starting a war you cannot possibly win but which could've been avoided you're a ******* fool.

#257 to #47 - sumdud

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(12/07/2017)[-]

But you forgot one simple fact, SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!!!!

#96 to #47 - kandazz

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Thalmor are the muslims of Tamriel.

#28 to #6 - theguywhoaskswhy#391 on commentsRank#391

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(12/07/2017)[-]

You'd oppress an entire people just to save your own skin?
Grow a spine, Imperial scum.

#38 to #28 - wimwam

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(12/07/2017)[-]

People openly worshipped talos all the time though. Nobody enforced the "ban"

#46 to #38 - psychoblue

Reply+19

(12/07/2017)[-]

Dude, in the game you can literally find Talmor wandering around looking for Talos worshipers so they can kill them. If you let them talk you you and your a Nord they will accuse you of Talos worship and try to kill you. Near Falkreath there is an Altar to Talos surrounded by dead worshipers with a letter from the Talmor on the altar that says Talos worship is punishable by death. In Markarth there's a side quest where a Talmor agent recruits you to find proof of a guy worshiping Talos so he can have him executed. The Talos Worship ban is MILITANTLY enforced.

#48 to #46 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

Reply+12

(12/07/2017)[-]

It is true that the ban is enforced militantly but not by the Empire. the Thalmor are the true villains in the situation.

The Empire has nothing against the Nords praising talos, if they did they would have banned it ages ago.

#54 to #48 - hellboundstrength

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(12/07/2017)[-]

So what did you do in the empire quest where your ordered by the empire to blackmail a steward for being a Talos worshipper?

#195 to #54 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

>>#54

I do, however, remember in the Stormcloak questline that you do blackmail the Steward of Markarth for being a Talos worshipper. If that isn't ******* dirty, I don't know what is.

#57 to #54 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

Reply+3

(12/07/2017)[-]

You don't blackmail a steward for being a talos worshipper, you blackmail her for being a crooked government official.

#51 to #48 - psychoblue

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Thats fair, but the problem is why Talos worship is banned that I have to oppose it regardless. the Thalmor believe that they are descended from the aedra(the Gods), which they technically are. The only way, in their minds, that they can reclaim their birthright is by deconstructing existence itself so they can "ascend" to the higher realms. The gods in Elder Scrolls gain much of their power and influence from worship, so banning the worship of certain Gods can weaken them and reduce the influence they have on Nirn(the planet). Talos (or Tiber Septim as he was known when he was mortal) Is the only God That began life as a Man. He is Functionally the God of Humanity Itself. He grants Boons and power to Humans in much the same way that Malacath empowers the Orcs (Orcs worship Malacath). By weakening Talos, we lose one of the few Divine Beings who we have fighting for us to not be Un-existed by a wierd elven ritual that involves literally halting a giant clockwork heart in the middle of the planet (ES lore is deep as **** yo).

#193 to #51 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

"He is Functionally the God of Humanity Itself. He grants Boons and power to Humans"

" By weakening Talos, we lose one of the few Divine Beings who we have fighting for us to not be Un-existed by a wierd elven ritual"

This role is also held by another god, who goes by several names. Shor, Shezarr.... But his most commonly held name, and the one that will make Elves spit and hiss more than the name Talos ever did... Lorkhan.

Lorkhan, created by Sithis, created by Pardomay.
Lorkhan, the great deciever, who tricked the other gods to join together and create the mortal plane Mundus.
Lorkhan, the god who created the first humans.

Lorkhan's got one single goal, ever since his creation. Lorkhan wants to kill all of the gods decended from Anu. This includes all Aedra, and some Daedra. It was for this reason that Mundus was created, as most of the gods are now tied to the mortal relm.

There's actualy a cool theroy that Talos is just Lorkhan's second coming, and that Lorkhan now owns two seats in both the nordic (Shor/Talos) and Imperial (Shezarr/Talos) pantheons.

#220 to #193 - captainkilljoy

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(12/07/2017)[-]

Lorkhan is more interested in CHIM than anything else. He only tricked the other Aedra into creating the mortal plane for this specific purpose because Aedra are incapable of achieving CHIM. Indeed he deliberately sabotaged his own attempt at CHIM for mortals to learn from his mistake and reach it themselves. Getting as close to the Godhead as possible is all that matters.

#53 to #51 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

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(12/07/2017)[-]

I whole heartily agree with on hating the ******* Thalmor. I would gladly love to watch those ******* get destroyed in a flaming death.

#58 to #53 - psychoblue

Reply+1

(12/07/2017)[-]

Dont know how into modding you are, but you Should Definitely check out the Wheels of Lull if you haven't already. Its a fully voiced quest mod that is DLC level quality. fully voiced and everything. It uses all canon sources for its lore is well. It does a great Job of showing why the Thalmor are so dangerous to existence itself and is also just a realy great mod in general that deserves all the publicity it can get.

www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/58672 Link

#16 to #6 - jfbyers

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(12/06/2017)[-]

***** if you think that Ulfric and I couldn't eat the thalmor for breakfast then you got some serious thinking to do.

#17 to #16 - kingofdung#192 on contentRank#192 [OP]

Reply+48

(12/06/2017)[-]

I want you to remember Ulfric got captured and tortured by the Thamlor during the great war.

#19 to #17 - demigodofmadness#449 on commentsRank#449

Reply+13

(12/06/2017)[-]

Did the empire do anything wrong? No. But when you spawn in as an unkillable god, you destroy all the oppressors, and anybody blocking freedom of religion, especially when it's that badass dragon god.

#197 to #19 - eiaisqzbsesb

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(12/07/2017)[-]

**** that. You make the choice that will preserve more lives, and more of the culture of tamriel in the end.

>>#191

#5 to #3 - slapmyhand

Reply+47

(12/06/2017)[-]

**slapmyhand roll picture searched wew lad**
>Unironically being a retarded ape because a guy that cheated in a honor duel didn't like a law that was not being enforced and unintentionally helped the very same oppressors he claimed he was fighting against because what is military tactics?

#11 to #5 - ygdosst

Reply+48

(12/06/2017)[-]

Gee, it was almost like he was a plant by the Thalmor in order to initate a Civil War that would weaken and cripple Tamriel's military resources, in order for the Thalmor to buy time for their Mundus rupturing ritual

#272 to #11 - madethistoreply#223 on commentsRank#223

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(12/07/2017)[-]

**madethistoreply used "*roll picture*"**
**madethistoreply rolled image**He's not a Thalmor plant. That'd mean he's working for them. He's considered an asset, meaning he's usable. They're simply taking advantage of his stupidity.

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