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#35 to #25 - alekksandar (06/28/2014) [-]
How can anyone say that he was a bad man?
User avatar #36 to #35 - dankilitious (06/28/2014) [-]
I'm curious...you really don't think his ideals were of an evil nature?
#37 to #36 - alekksandar (06/28/2014) [-]
He was a bit excessive. At least he could've stopped my country from becoming a communist ******** .

But that's all in the past. If I like him, why would anyone care?
User avatar #59 to #37 - radiserne (06/28/2014) [-]
"A bit". Burn in hell, nazi
User avatar #53 to #37 - holybronybatman (06/28/2014) [-]
Millions of innocent people died, and he downright caused the fall of Germany and during the fall, he made German Soldiers die during the bombardment of Berlin.
User avatar #38 to #37 - dankilitious (06/28/2014) [-]
He created concentration camps. Innocent people were murdered by the thousands each day. One might disagree with your opinion that he did nothing wrong because they would want to make sure such an event never repeats itself. It's empathy.
User avatar #95 to #38 - thegrimgenius ONLINE (06/28/2014) [-]
While millions died in concentration camps, what makes you think they were murdered? Hell, even the Red cross couldn't find any evidence of homicidal chambers. Most of the deaths were of starvation and typhus, all from Allied bombardments on supply lines, which was necessary for the war. All the confessions conflict each other at Nuremberg. Hitler did bad things, but he is to be admired for all his accomplishments.
User avatar #109 to #95 - dankilitious (06/28/2014) [-]
Before you make a bold claim like that, be sure to cite a proper source. The gas chambers, which you could visit if you'd like, had scratch marks on its concrete walls made by the poor innocents who were told they would finally be allowed to shower. There are pictures, tons of them, of which I have seen, of the victims being piled into grave yards, put on their knees and shot to death etc. It is one thing to admire Hitler's accomplishments, for being able to unite an entire country, and I understand that. It is another thing to justify his actions/say he did nothing wrong. Remove your head from your ass and think for a second if you would had agreed if you were the victim in the situation.
#110 to #109 - thegrimgenius ONLINE (06/28/2014) [-]
So typhus victims means gas chambers?
User avatar #111 to #110 - dankilitious (06/28/2014) [-]
That's a picture you have online. I know people, personally, who lived through the concentration camps. It is you who does not want to accept the truth, maybe because you want to be edgy/unique or whatnot. But people died by the millions, and there is insurmountable evidence to prove so. Typhus would have been but a minor factor, and could not have killed so many people in so little time. Either way, this is how history works, you can conjure up whatever random data points and make an argument. But what is your point in this conversation? What do you aim to show me?
#112 to #111 - thegrimgenius ONLINE (06/28/2014) [-]
Wait, I give you official records, one you can look up and see are real, yet you deny them? No **** people died by the millions, where did I ever deny that? They died by typhus, starvation, and other factors, but not gas chambers. There's numerous amounts of evidence against them. Why aren't the walls stained? Why didn't 2-4k people rebel against 2 guards and a dog? Why was the supposed gas chamber door not even air tight?
>Typhus death estimated to be at least 40-50%
>Starvation deaths near that
>Typhus would have been a minor factor
Learn about typhus before you argue. Also, WW2 was 6 years, typhus takes way less to kill.
User avatar #113 to #112 - dankilitious (06/28/2014) [-]
What point are you trying to make? That the Nazi's swept Germany looking for Jews so that they could be put into peaceful play-date camps? Wake the **** up. Of course you can conjure a couple dozen sources stating corroborating your opinion, but for every source you present, I could present 100 saying the opposite, an arguement I would not find myself wasting time in. 7 people sleeping in a bed? No food, water or family? No bathroom, sanitation or health care of any sort? Even if there were no gas chambers (which I disagree with) is dying from typhus infection/starvation any more humane? Have you seen picture of holocaust survivors? They looked worse than the starving children of Darfour. Again, what are you trying to say?
#114 to #113 - thegrimgenius ONLINE (06/28/2014) [-]
State your sources, something that ultimately proves the usage of gas chambers. My point was my original statement. Hitler did bad by sweeping and plucking Jews out of Germany, even with all the **** Germany and Jews and been through in the past. But the final solution wan't to kill Jews, they all died form starvation and typhus, indirectly (and a few times directly) caused by the Allied Forces. "is dying from typhus infection/starvation any more humane?" If you rounded up a bunch of dogs, and you were suddenly trapped in your home with them, low on food, is it inhumane to feed yourself and not them? Why is it inhumane for Germany to take priority of its citizens (who weren't even fed that well) over the people who they were planning on deporting?
User avatar #115 to #114 - dankilitious (06/29/2014) [-]
You cite "documents" which a child could make using Microsoft Word. I give you pictures.
User avatar #120 to #115 - thegrimgenius ONLINE (06/29/2014) [-]
So, typhus victims?
User avatar #121 to #120 - dankilitious (06/29/2014) [-]
Again, make whatever argument you want, your thirst to reject the status quo will eventually lead you to findings that a 12 year old could conjure. There are yet living victims of the holocaust, and they will tell you what you obviously do not want to hear. So believe what you want. Feel special for being one of the few so ignorant. Keep telling yourself that you are illuminating the truth. But at least tell me why its so important for you to prove that Hitler wasn't such a bad dude. I need to hear this
User avatar #123 to #121 - thegrimgenius ONLINE (06/29/2014) [-]
>Those ad hominems
You're "evidence" is simply; "Look at these dead guys! They must have been gassed! Even if they died from typhus and are recognized as typhus victims!" (Bergen-Belsen) Also, did those "victims" watch their people get gassed? Oh wait, no they didn't. In addition, what death camps did America even liberate? Zip. Those Soviets would never ever lie about the things in those camps, right? Oh wait, there's proof they did. Get me some evidence proving the Holocaust had gas chambers, then I'll take you seriously. Oh, and try not to say Racist, Idiot, or any other insult, use facts.
User avatar #124 to #123 - dankilitious (06/29/2014) [-]
Alright thegrimgenius, you clearly know what you are talking about. In fact, the neonazi's of today are quite pleasant and harmless as well! It's all propaganda, made by the government and those darn Jews for pity. Clearly, you have been enlightened.
"Three key perpetrators gave evidence directly related to the Holocaust: Hermann Göring, the highest official of the Nazi state tried at Nuremberg, testified openly and frankly about the persecution of German Jews from the rise of the Nazi party to power in 1933 until the outbreak of war in 1939; Otto Ohlendorf testified directly about his unit, Einsatzgruppe D, killing 90,000 Jews in the southern Ukraine in 1941; and the commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hoess, testified frankly about the gassing of more than a million Jews at the Auschwitz-Birkenau killing center during the war. All three claimed that they carried out the legitimate orders of the state."



This took me like 2 minutes to amass. I can tell what kind of person you are. You saw a side of an argument, and for whatever reason, you decided you wanted to be different. And so you search and search, and you find a little amount of "fact" and then claim to know the concealed truth. Sounds like a true conspiracy theorist to me. I'm curious, what is your status in life right now? I would love to know what sort of individual harbors such a mentality?
Ps, I don't think you are a bad person, just misled. You claim you don't dislike hitler, because he didn't do anything wrong, and if you were correct, that would be fine. But you are not correct, and there is insurmountable evidence suggesting so.
User avatar #126 to #125 - dankilitious (06/29/2014) [-]
lol. You do realize that making the arguement that prisinors of war were happy is absolutely absurd. Especially when they were not even prisoners of war...they were victims of prejudice. Again, I believe, with no doubt, that whatever piece of evidence I bring forth, you will conjure something else that says the opposite. What do you say about the eye witnesses though? I know people, in flesh and blood, that can tell you what the inside of these camps look like.
User avatar #127 to #126 - alekksandar (06/29/2014) [-]
Again, I believe, with no doubt, that whatever piece of evidence I bring forth, you will conjure something else that says the opposite.

Have you thought that, perhaps, I see this argument the same way?

And I never said that the POW's were happy. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
User avatar #130 to #127 - dankilitious (06/29/2014) [-]
O boy. Listen, the whole idea behind conspiracies are that if you can't prove em wrong, they must be right. Either way, your thoughts are your thoughts. Still curious, why do they matter? Who are your people and how are they relevant?
User avatar #131 to #130 - alekksandar (06/29/2014) [-]
They're still theories, and that means there's a small chance of them being right.

My people, Serbs.

Long story short, Communists and Monarchists would have skirmishes with Germans, and Germans would kill a hundred civilians for every one of their soldier. So the Germans put one of our Generals to power so he could combat the Monarchists and the Commies. He secretly helped the Monarchists, but they both battled the commies.





My grand grandfather fought against albanian SS divisions and communists. Because the USSR won, he couldn't find a job and was proclaimed an enemy of the state.

So, as I've said before, I don't like german "nazis", but soviet communists, at least from my moral perspective, since I don't know if you're a commie, were on par with them, if not more evil.

I didn't want to write a ******* novel here, but I seem to love to type. Anyway, my mother told me "Nobody is going to ask the winner if he wrote the truth."

I have no more intent to argue. Bye.
User avatar #128 to #127 - dankilitious (06/29/2014) [-]
I could make the counter argument that is was advocates of your position who made photo manipulations to shed doubt on reality. Again, living eye-witnesses, multiple trials where Nazi officers did not claim innocence, rather they said they were just following orders. You have a very clear desire to ignore the reality of the situation. I still don't get why?
Also, side note, do you believe in other governmental conspiracies, like the illuminaty and 9/11 being an inside job?
#129 to #128 - alekksandar (06/29/2014) [-]
I never said "nazis" are innocent. I claimed otherwise, too. I support my own people and I don't give a rat's ass about germany/america/britain.

I don't believe in illuminati, but I'm almost certain that 9/11 was an inside job.

Illuminati is supposed to be a SECRET society. It doesn't seem like that to me.
#90 to #38 - Orc (06/28/2014) [-]
**Orc rolled image** Holy **** , all these people thumbing you guys down are sick ******* .
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