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or residential areas and are not legally binding. If
a police officer writes you an ticket for disobeying
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These signs are installed by state or local governments
and are legally binding.
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#13 - deviantangel (12/23/2013) [-]
This post is maliciously false. I know of no jurisdiction in which this could be used as a viable defense.

In law, there are defenses deployed by counsel for various traffic violations. This information is a drastic misinterpretation of the "mistake of fact" defense. An in-depth explanation of this defense can be found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistake_(criminal_law)

Almost every municipality does not establish and erect each and every traffic sign. Traffic signs on private lots, streets, and alleyways are owned by their respective private property owners, and most cities will only enforce traffic signs after a certain amount of time has passed to give notice to local residents of the change in the flow of traffic. An exception is "safety" laws such as speed limits. Stop signs are not one of these exceptions as they only direct the flow of traffic; obeying the flow of traffic signs (which are enforceable by law, an officer may always ticket ANY violation of a posted sign regardless of legitimate or not as "reckless driving", "negligent driving", or can just inconvenience) relates to but is not determinative of road safety, and may be enforced by private property land owners.

The primary example of this relates to private parking lots. Often stop signs are not placed at all, but solid white lines about a foot thick are painted onto 'intersections' at private lots and often marked with the elongated "stop" paint near the painted line. These are enforceable (and, thus, punishable by any law enforcement agency) rules of conduct for the right to use the property.

In CA law, law-makers reworded the infraction to include ANY posted signs, whether painted or erected. Be cautious when dealing with "legally binding", often there is no direct line to legal obligation and judges make that determination, not attorneys or law students.

Reckless Driving CA Vehicle Code 23103
Negligent Operator CA Vehicle Code 12810
Failure to stop CA Vehicle Code 22450
#2 - shineydragonite (12/23/2013) [-]
Interesting, but I'm not about to check every stop sign to see if it has a sticker on it so I can go through it and perhaps challenge a cop.
Interesting, but I'm not about to check every stop sign to see if it has a sticker on it so I can go through it and perhaps challenge a cop.
User avatar #4 to #2 - leevoquer (12/23/2013) [-]
I don't think the point is to challenge them on purpose, just if you happen to end up with a ticket. I got one accidentally because I somehow with my ADD ridiculousness missed the speed limit sign. FIrst ticket ever.
#15 to #4 - lolollo (12/23/2013) [-]
"ADD ridiculousness"

So, the thing that makes you hyperaware of things made it where you didn't look at the speed limit sign?
User avatar #61 to #15 - leevoquer (12/24/2013) [-]
No, I was distracted by something else and didn't see it. I'm just saying, these things happen. I don't think this is meant to say "HEY EVERYBODY, LET'S BE ASSHOLES AND DISOBEY ROAD SIGNS!" I interpreted it as if you are really in a bind, this is a technicality that could help you out.
#33 to #15 - ganondork (12/23/2013) [-]
>Attention Deficit Disorder

***** what are you talking about
User avatar #35 to #33 - lolollo (12/23/2013) [-]
Have you seen someone with ADD? They look at, and pay attention to everything even if it's just for the 5 seconds their attention span allows for.
#45 to #35 - anon (12/24/2013) [-]
You misunderstand. Imagine looking at everything for 2 seconds in a room. It doesn't mean you'll have super l337 perception; it means you get distracted at everything and **** your pants.
#16 - lolollo (12/23/2013) [-]
Guys, what if all went ahead and stopped trying to look for all of the holes in society, and stopped trying to poke new ones in places they aren't already present, and realized that some policies are designed to make everything better off?

"You don't have to stop at a stop sign without a sticker."
"You can deny consent to a cop checking your bag at a concert."
"You can plea the fifth if a cop asks you where you're going in a traffic stop."
"If a cop stops you and asks for your ID, you can just shout 'AM I BEING DETAINED?!' before walking off."
"If you do the Konami cheat code, you become instantly sober enough to drive and your car becomes invisible to traffic cops."

Or you can just stop at a stop sign.
And allow the cop to make sure you're not smuggling crack into a rock concert.
And let the guy peak at your license for 5 seconds so he can know who you are, and maybe make small talk so he can get information that might stop a crime.

Seriously, everyone's so worked up over how ****** up they're going to get by the police that I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of the stories I hear nowadays are due to self fulfilling prophesy.

"Man, I didn't stop at a stop sign I totally don't have to stop at and the cop gave me a ticket anyway, **** THE SYSTEM COPS JUST WANNA **** WITH YOU!"
User avatar #54 to #16 - randomwanker (12/24/2013) [-]
I agree with several of your points... I think that if there is a STOP sign you should just stop, but due to the way humans are you cannot give the police to much power and obey them without questioning their motives. It is easy for people in power to forget that their job is to protect and serve.
User avatar #20 to #16 - godtherapist (12/23/2013) [-]
Yes, let's all live in a totalitarian regime where we have no rights.

User avatar #21 to #20 - Norway (12/23/2013) [-]
Oh god shut the **** up you uneducated piece of ****
User avatar #25 to #16 - blewws (12/23/2013) [-]
I totally agree with the stop sign thing. That's just dumb. But I'm not gonna let a cop look through my bag if I don't have to and I'm not gonna show him my ID if I don't have to. That's inconvenient for me and I have the right not to. I mean, I'm sure their are places where I have to do those things and I won't bitch about it then, but if I don't have to then I'm not going to. I don't know why I wouldn't tell a cop where I was going but maybe someone has a reason.
#34 - theonionyrogue (12/23/2013) [-]
I'm so sick of these posts on every site telling people how to be dicks to policemen. Policemen ******* protect your life, and everyone in my age group ******* hates them because
User avatar #46 to #34 - loomiss ONLINE (12/24/2013) [-]
Well I wouldn't use this to be a dick to a cop, but if I accidentally ran a stop sign like this one and a cop tried busting me for it then I would over turn it, I wouldn't purposefully cruise through the stop sign though.
User avatar #41 - howunexpected (12/23/2013) [-]
The stop sign is there for a reason.
I'd rather obey it, and not get into a ******* huge wreck, than disobey it just for the lulz of ruining some cops finances because he thought it was binding
User avatar #48 to #41 - youhei (12/24/2013) [-]
there is an intersection in my town that has gone without stop signs for 30 years without a single accident, and just last year stop signs were put up, it's right in front of a police station, all teh cops have to do is sit in the lot and wait for some ******** to run through the signs
User avatar #49 to #48 - howunexpected (12/24/2013) [-]
The state is not out to get you
The police do not live to get you tickets/fines/jailed
If there is a stop sign there, it is because they needed it. I would guess that your country has stop sign regulations
The police need to reinforce the law, and if that means ticketing people who run a stop sign, they must do so
User avatar #56 to #49 - yunoavailable (12/24/2013) [-]
sometimes I think that the state/county is out to get us for the ticket money. A new road was just installed and despite the fact that no one lives on it, it has no stop signs or lights for most of it, and it is perfectly straight. the speed limit was set at 40 MPH. it's ******* stupid
User avatar #58 to #56 - howunexpected (12/24/2013) [-]
The state is not out to get you.
Why on earth would you need a speed limit over 40
Speed limits are to prevent an accident, mostly to keep you the driver, safe
Thats why even barren highways in the desert have speed limits, because if there was something in the way there, you would be less likely to have a sucessful stop if you were going over whatever the speed limit is.
Speed limit is decided by how often the road is used, lowest visibility, highest visibility, and pedestrian concentration
Children, elderly, and disabled nearby have effect on the speed limit
User avatar #59 to #58 - yunoavailable (12/24/2013) [-]
because the road is plenty safe enough for a speed limit of at least fifty. note that I am talking about MPH not KPH
yes I know speed limits are to keep people safe but the road would still be safe at that speed and there are many other roads in the area that are less safe and have higher limits.
there are essentially no pedestrians on the road, it is perfectly straight with no hills to speak of either.
there are only at most a dozen houses anywhere near this road in a 15-20 mile stretch
User avatar #63 to #59 - howunexpected (12/24/2013) [-]
I know what measurement you used, besides the fact that k/h is slower than m/h
The speed limit is set at 40 because a person, who spent years in college, which I understand is quite expensive in America, worked out that 30 is too slow and 50 is to fast
The government does not give a **** about your tickets, because they make minimal money from tickets, and the money goes to the city, not the state, and the state deals with the speeds and signeage, not the city.
User avatar #60 to #59 - yunoavailable (12/24/2013) [-]
also I know that there have been many cases when this sort of thing happens
User avatar #50 to #49 - youhei (12/24/2013) [-]
i'm not saying that the signs were put there for ***** and giggles or to get people to blow through them, just that the location went an extremely long time without them and never had a problem.
User avatar #51 to #50 - howunexpected (12/24/2013) [-]
The regulations of many countries state that a stop sign must be placed on at least 3 of the 4 streets at a 4 way intersection
The history of accidents at the location hold no consequence over the regulations effect on the location.
User avatar #52 to #51 - youhei (12/24/2013) [-]
it wasn't even a 3 or 4 way intersection, you have an option of turning down one street or going straight.
User avatar #53 to #52 - howunexpected (12/24/2013) [-]
Perhaps your principality has regulations stating that there must be a stop sign at intersections of that design.
#44 - ulquiorratheespada (12/23/2013) [-]
"Oh don't worry about stopping, there's not sticker on this sign"
And then they got into a ******* crash and died.
#57 - slothmaster (12/24/2013) [-]
How the **** am I supposed to see the back of a ******* stop sign to know if I should stop?
User avatar #29 - KayRed (12/23/2013) [-]
Or you could stop at a ******* stop sign because it's safe.
User avatar #17 - Crusader (12/23/2013) [-]
This is not true.

Even if it was, you're still human scum if you go through stop signs.
User avatar #23 to #17 - playapplepie (12/23/2013) [-]
In Florida it is indeed true.
User avatar #26 to #23 - Crusader (12/23/2013) [-]

No it's not.
As long as it was placed there legally, you can still be ticketed, sticker or not
User avatar #37 to #26 - playapplepie (12/23/2013) [-]
I want to disagree, until also agree. I've had several sheriffs and a state trooper tell me they did not believe a sign without a sticker is valid. But whatever. I don't run stop signs, even in ridiculously ******* rural areas.
User avatar #12 - jellybob (12/23/2013) [-]
or you could ******* stop at stop signs and NOT be a tool
User avatar #43 - noimnot (12/23/2013) [-]
Let me just peel the sticker off and take a picture for court then.
#40 - aulubear (12/23/2013) [-]

So I dislike the police as much as the next person,

But what the **** good does it do to antagonize em?
User avatar #39 - mrwightproductions (12/23/2013) [-]
recently a new stop sign popped up in my neighborhood that hadnt beent here before... cop sat out ticketing people who didnt notice. Gona ******* check this thing now
User avatar #28 - teoferrazzi (12/23/2013) [-]
great, how can I check when I'm coming from the opposite direction?
User avatar #27 - subtard (12/23/2013) [-]

Some private places like parking lots can request the police to take notice of stop sign violators. Most don't though, so you could legally roll through most parking lot stop signs. But if you get into an accident because of it, it'd be 100% your fault.
But if you drive in a blatantly unsafe way in a parking lot you can still be arrested; depending on how bad it is.
#10 - kanedam ONLINE (12/23/2013) [-]
isnt it illegal to simply put traffic signs somewhere...?
User avatar #18 to #10 - Crusader (12/23/2013) [-]
Nope, if you post a sign, it causes an accident, and then they find out, you can be charged.

But you can't be charged just for posting a sign.
#19 to #18 - kanedam ONLINE (12/23/2013) [-]
User avatar #3 - dabronydude (12/23/2013) [-]
what if the sticker falls off from years of wear, rain etc?
User avatar #5 to #3 - leevoquer (12/23/2013) [-]
Maybe they have to replace them periodically? Good question.
User avatar #6 to #5 - dabronydude (12/23/2013) [-]
can you imagine if there is this one guy that has to go around replacing stickers on things?
User avatar #9 to #6 - knifeyoass (12/23/2013) [-]
probably the same guy who does the city inspections.
User avatar #7 to #6 - leevoquer (12/23/2013) [-]
I think that might be the best/easiest job ever. I'd apply.
User avatar #8 to #7 - dabronydude (12/23/2013) [-]
bit boring but ye,
twice a week you have to walk around town checking and replacing these stickers, easy.
#62 - leevoquer (12/24/2013) [-]
It's funny that everyone automatically assumes that people would see this and be all like, "YAAAAAAY! I'm going to go out and recklessly disobey traffic signs!" I interpreted it as a technicality that could help you in a bind. Of course no one should blatantly disregard stop signs, that would be idiotic.
#55 - jimfoot (12/24/2013) [-]
You are not obligated to stop at stop signs in parking lots either as it's not a public road. Just saying
#47 - adu ONLINE (12/24/2013) [-]
I don't speed through stop signs, but I don't tend to stop at them unless there's heavy traffic.
Typically, I'll slow my car to walking speed long enough to see whether or not there are any cars coming, then I just accelerate through. It's easier on my ********** car's engine and brakes that way. It's guaranteed, though, that if my mother is in the car with me, I'll get chided for not "stopping" at the stop sign.

Also, this post is ******** . Sticker or no, a stop sign is typically there for a reason, and while you may not have to completely "stop" at every single one, there's no real excuse for driving recklessly and acting like a dick.
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