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User avatar #6 - fornowjr (11/18/2015) [-]
Thank you for posting this. I look forward to watching this documentary.
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User avatar #315 to #6 - klina (11/19/2015) [-]
name?
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User avatar #335 to #315 - gohex ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
c'mon man it's in the description i ain't copy pasting it for you
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User avatar #129 to #6 - fornowjr (11/18/2015) [-]
Finished the first part a couple of hours ago. It's unique and I like how they take people from around the world. If you look closely, you'll see they film them where they currently reside. From rich to the poor. From those who made it, to those who lost everything and have to start over.

Could do without the weird people gaze every now and then (one of them really creeped me out), but overall I recommend it. It has 3 parts and they are all on youtube.
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User avatar #313 to #129 - FeeFieFoe (11/19/2015) [-]
Your picture is from Vice City right? I liked that game, I was kind of hoping gta 5 would be 3 different kinds of games, Micheal would be more vice city/sobpranos like, Trevors would be straight up trailer trash ****** up hilarious ******** , and Franklin would be more San Andreas. That would have been cool.
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User avatar #324 to #313 - fornowjr (11/19/2015) [-]
Yup, from Vice City. I believe the picture is Tommy Verciti. As for GTA 5, I wouldn't know. Still haven't gotten the time to play the game yet.
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User avatar #325 to #324 - FeeFieFoe (11/19/2015) [-]
Its pretty awesome you should play it, on another note, I recently got an xbox one, and I bought my sister a ps4, and not until then have I realized how ****** the xbox one is, because on the ps4, the controller flashes red and blue lights when the cops are after you, and when people call you on your cell phone, you hear it through the controller. The xbox one is good at playing netflix.... I guess..
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#15 - tsnkami (11/18/2015) [-]
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#148 to #15 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
dont post anime pics please. thanks.
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User avatar #167 to #148 - tsnkami (11/19/2015) [-]
Log in and say it like a man.
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User avatar #213 to #167 - skenyandjoshisafag (11/19/2015) [-]
Easy to say thay behind a keyboard you weeaboo faggot
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User avatar #220 to #213 - tsnkami (11/19/2015) [-]
Now was that so hard to log in and say it, now what do you want?
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User avatar #222 to #220 - skenyandjoshisafag (11/19/2015) [-]
That was not me but i agree with him you cock sucking faggot
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User avatar #223 to #222 - tsnkami (11/19/2015) [-]
k
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User avatar #225 to #223 - skenyandjoshisafag (11/19/2015) [-]
I hope an asian rapes all you weeaboo faggots
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User avatar #227 to #225 - tsnkami (11/19/2015) [-]
Keep em going.
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#271 to #227 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
yeah it was him alright.
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#272 to #271 - tsc (11/19/2015) [-]
heh. just realised i wasn't logged in. maybe its the drugs but i find that funny.
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#273 to #272 - tsc (11/19/2015) [-]
check skeny's account he lost every thumb hes earned in that.
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User avatar #263 to #255 - skenyandjoshisafag (11/19/2015) [-]
Carefull, youre gunna get sucked into the weeaboo pit of hatetred and dissapointment from their familey
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User avatar #277 to #267 - itskennyandjosh ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
I hate that guy
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User avatar #280 to #279 - itskennyandjosh ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
I'm talking about the guy who made the ****** version of my account
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User avatar #323 to #225 - calseeyum (11/19/2015) [-]
nice chibi foxy pic you *********** furry ***********
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User avatar #261 to #225 - skenyandjoshisafag (11/19/2015) [-]
Damn, thats alot of weeaboos
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User avatar #13 - fjaggot (11/18/2015) [-]
When he started talking about going to jail I thought there was going to be some sort of rough love rape joke
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#254 to #13 - bakagaijin (11/19/2015) [-]
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**bakagaijin rolled image**I didn't see past the fact that he was a black guy in jail.....
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#231 to #13 - ubemad (11/19/2015) [-]
2schlong dudnt red kek
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#174 to #13 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
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ffs, i wish OP would just post a webm.
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#44 to #13 - sturmbeard ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
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It would feel a bit forced, wouldn't it?
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User avatar #251 to #244 - tigronn (11/19/2015) [-]
gif sauce?
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#265 to #251 - salsisto (11/19/2015) [-]
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, iirc
The Pirates! Band of Misfits
The Pirates! In an Adventure with Scientists! depending where you live. Good movie, if you have the time. It's got Darwin in it.
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User avatar #252 to #251 - lokischosen (11/19/2015) [-]
Boku no pico **** if I know
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#3 - mobilebull (11/18/2015) [-]
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**mobilebull rolled image** this is why his dad hit him or rape?
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User avatar #4 to #3 - victorydanceofc (11/18/2015) [-]
Homophobic dad, huh? Yikes.
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#7 to #3 - kaiserdjg (11/18/2015) [-]
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#8 to #7 - nogglo (11/18/2015) [-]
My condolences for that unfortunate roll you just got.
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#9 to #8 - kaiserdjg (11/18/2015) [-]
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**kaiserdjg rolled image**i know right
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#295 to #9 - hpcghia (11/19/2015) [-]
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User avatar #126 - thunderpony (11/18/2015) [-]
What is love?
baby don't hurt me
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#296 to #126 - goticblake ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
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Underrated
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#80 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
Meanwhile...

"Pff, screw off of this behavioral psychology, beating your kids is perfectly fine! My parents hit me and I'm perfectly healthy! The idea that physical punishment can produce any sort of negativity is just psychological mumbo jumbo!"

-a good number of funnyjunkers
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#82 to #80 - anon (11/18/2015) [-]
Kid are so impressionable. It's weird that it's legal to hit them. If it should be legal to hit anyone, it should be your wife. At least she understands/can leave/etc. It seems backward. I mean, if we are going to legalize some forms of violence, why is it against the most vulnerable?
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User avatar #103 to #82 - syntheticdoll (11/18/2015) [-]
Yes, legalize domestic violence. Seriously, WHY would you hit your wife? Tell me one example when it's justified.
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User avatar #199 to #103 - thatoneiranianguy ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Umm...this is pretty easy.

When you're defending yourself?
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#136 to #103 - anon (11/18/2015) [-]
PS When she's hitting you.
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#351 to #103 - mcderpalds (11/19/2015) [-]
It's just so stupid isn't it? beating your wife... I mean it's your wife, it's like keying your own car.

Jimmy Carr on wife-beating - QI Couldn't help but think of that clip given that comment, sorry
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#131 to #103 - anon (11/18/2015) [-]
Unclutch your pearls. Get up off the fainting couch, Mabel. No one is advocating that, but your kindergarten, zero-tolerance policy is the reason women act like this:

Females Can Never Provoke Their Own Beating

They think they can do whatever they want without consequences because they live behind a magic vagina shield. There are plenty of reasons to hit women.
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#128 to #82 - akirafudo (11/18/2015) [-]
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**akirafudo rolled image**is precisely why yo do it on children because they don't understand with words, you should no hit adults because you can leave them instead,
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#135 to #128 - anon (11/18/2015) [-]
Not if you're married. If you leave when you're married she gets half your **** , your kids, child support, and alimony! The kindergarten, zero-tolerance policy is the reason women act like this:

Females Can Never Provoke Their Own Beating

They think they can do whatever they want without consequences because they live behind a magic vagina shield. There are plenty of reasons to hit women.
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#201 to #135 - akirafudo (11/19/2015) [-]
once you hit them is a hell on earth no respect, no trust, no relationship, nothing to fight about, sell everything expend the money etc, don't let her take anything
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#385 to #128 - blackmageewizardt ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
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"Kid are so impressionable. It's weird that it's legal to hit them. If it should be legal to hit anyone, it should be your wife."

You: "is precisely why yo do it on children because they don't understand with words, you should no hit adults because you can leave them instead,"

You are an ******* moron if you are unable to word sentences in such context when you answer to someone, that make anyone think you hit children with an ******* frying pan. Because hitting is something else then spanking or slaping their wrists.

Theirfore you are still an failure of nature.
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#386 to #385 - akirafudo (11/19/2015) [-]
a child you slap mildy an adult get hit, ******* moron
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User avatar #389 to #386 - blackmageewizardt ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
"you should no hit adults because you can leave them instead, "

Not what you said you Piece of **** .
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#390 to #389 - akirafudo (11/19/2015) [-]
you are a dense ************ , do you know context? oh that's right you don't otherwise you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself, eat ****
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#391 to #390 - blackmageewizardt ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]

I put your comment all the time to the context to what you said. But hey i am an nice guy, so i give you even the devination of "context" :

"[normal]1.The surroundings, circumstances, environment, background or settings that determine, specify, or clarify the meaning of an event or other occurrence.  [quotations ▼] In what context did your attack on him happen? - We had a pretty tense relationship at the time, and when he insulted me I snapped."
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#392 to #391 - akirafudo (11/19/2015) [-]
now you divert the subject, ok i´ll put in a way that even a retard like you can understand:

You when correcting a children you don't hit them, also is not to be used as a first reaction or solution, is a resort to use when words have no use anymore, to teach respect, obedience and that every act have a consequence, this must be used with care, because too much make more harm them good because of resistance development.

You should never hit your adult partner because there is no coming back from it, the relationship shatters, there is no respect, no trust, no relationship, thus never do something worthy of being hit as well, if you are NOT A RETARD your partner should be a good caring and understanding person, so every problem can be solved using words.

this being said, the act, of physically correcting a child is determined by my standards thus giving context, is "slap" and the discussion reaction between 2 strangers when any argument goes beyond words is "hit" and a succession of hits as in a session is a beating.

this is good for you or you are even beyond this point of retardation because if so, there is no help for you, go elsewhere to fap, cry and kill yourself afterwards, there is no place for you in this world.
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#396 to #392 - blackmageewizardt ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
okay 1. Sire angrypants, People regardless of Age will be unlikely to listen to your arguments, if your 1. sentence implys that they are brain damaged. Why you would even argue with an Person you honestly think is brain damaged is also beyond me then.

2. How the **** did we jump to that now? When did i imply you hit also your wife you sack of Snobs? What makes you think i am interested in the Partner that created this misscariage of yours and her DNA? You totally jumped suddenly their the Topic we were discussing about, it was about children, not about adults.

3. You imply then suddenly that it is absolutly "adult" when 2 strangers get into arguments and instead of just stoping to Argument start to beat each other up... 1 Points there: How is that even reasonble? I know honestly no adult Person me included that ever hit anyone because of arguments? Do i have to theorise that this is for you normal? How low must be your Patience if you think it´s okay that People beat each other up because of arguments?

Then the other Point is most likely you must really wish to be able to hit me right now, as all your arguments seem not be able to get an grip here... Which makes you angry, which made you use this bizzar and completly out of context Situation you discribed.

4. "this is good for you or you are even beyond this point of retardation because if so, there is no help for you, go elsewhere to fap, cry and kill yourself afterwards, there is no place for you in this world." I guess my 2. theory just got proven, also i may conclude now that you have Major Anger isues, as you go totaly nuts because of Internet comments. Theirfore we could argue now that your Points can´t be trusted, as you have anyway an lower threshold of Patience.
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#397 to #396 - akirafudo (11/19/2015) [-]
you are a lost cause, i do it for the other readers, also you have reading issues or are just to lazy to follow a complete thread, that as well makes sense since you are retarded beyond help, not arguing with you, but trying to explain myself better for anyone who is not retarded.

not angry, but tired, also i always say retards to fap, cry and kill themselves since the world is better without them.

this is my last reply to you aor anyone that has not mental issues.

don't forget to kill yourself
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#398 to #397 - blackmageewizardt ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Omg! It´s almost like... i ignored half what you wrote and... wait for it... just posted silly comments to Twist you´re arguments, builded strawman, getting you off Topic and even put "smug faces" to get you angry and tired...

At most the last Thing is cute: "Don´t Forget to kill yourself" oh my how matured, and that has children, congrats world.

You were fun to **** around with.
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User avatar #343 to #128 - blackmageewizardt ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
"is precisely why yo do it on children because they don't understand with words, you should no hit adults because you can leave them instead, " <-- only reason needed to forbid akirafudo to ever have children. Beating your child up, without it understanding why that **** was wrong, just makes you Train them like an bunch of Dogs, who know rules and commands they have to fallow, but have no ******* reason why they should do so. Great way to create future **** heads.
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#360 to #343 - akirafudo (11/19/2015) [-]
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NO you moron, im not talking about ******* them up, not even making any area pink, i'm talking about the mere act to slap the palm of a hand or as worst a spank or two, not even a session, when a repeated NO and even giving reason to why should that not be doing is working.

also too late i have a child already and is the light of my heart, i want the best for him but not leaving any trauma.
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User avatar #257 to #80 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/19/2015) [-]
"Maybe if I make it into binary, it will force people to agree with the view that is seemingly less moral in the short term! They only have two choices! I can't be wrong!"

- You

Although nobody gets physically hurt, I think it is more pervasive and damaging to society to have kids that disrespect their parents and teachers grow up into selfie-taking narcissistic social media addicted asshats who cannot accept their own failure.

I'm not entirely sure that beating your kids is a defining factor as to whether or not somebody grows up to be a respectful, moral person, but to say that it isn't is also to say that they will grow up the same, irrespective of whether they were beaten or not.

I was beaten as a kid. I'm pretty sure that immediate punishment is the only form of consequence that a child can understand.
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User avatar #373 to #257 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
You don't know what modes lead to making a respectable adult...but you're more than willing to air with confidence that physically harming your kids won't negatively impact them...there's something off with that.
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User avatar #116 to #80 - itskennyandjosh ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
And if my kid acts like a little **** , disrespects me, doesn't listen to me, i'd go so far as to spank them
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#118 to #80 - anon (11/18/2015) [-]
Say you have a kid and live near an unguarded construction site.
Say you found out your kid went to play in the highly dangerous area.
You give him a stern scalding and explain IN DETAIL why playing there is a horrible idea.
The kid unfortunately doesn't get the message, and goes there again.
You try explaining AGAIN to no avail as the child goes there a third time.
Third time it comes back you take a branch of a tree and color his ass crimson.
Next time he thinks about going back to play in a dangerous area, despite not being able to fully realize the risks he takes when entering said area, he will remember the punishment and steer clear of the place.

Some children you can't reason with. Belt discipline shouldn't be the only means of teaching a child what's wrong or right, but you should never completely remove it from your arsenal.
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User avatar #123 to #118 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
Or you find out when the next time he's on that site and contact the cops, who then scare the **** out of him for you, most likely confirming what you will have told him about why you don't do stupid **** like that.
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#247 to #123 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
This... is the stupidest advice ever. Call the cops to scare the **** out of him. Then next time he needs help or is in trouble, and he sees a police officer, instead of running to the police for help, he might remember that time the cops "scared him straight" and avoid them like the plague.

Congrats, your kid is now afraid of the police. He'll grow up to **** post about police brutality and comment on "Real life Police" videos on Youtube.
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User avatar #364 to #247 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Is that really how you assume kids are gonna react to cops? Oh, but hitting them isn't gonna scar them at all. Are your kids mentally disabled where physical abuse is just "meh, I learned my lesson!" but being dropped off at your house by the cops is "too scarring for their fragile mind?"

Or is it just you?
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#318 to #80 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
no idiot, spanking your kids is fine. Beating is not. A beating is not a spanking. A spanking is a punishment that when used correctly can teach kids how to behave alot better since they understand pain is bad. Just because you have a case where one didn't turn out so grand. doesn't mean it is a bad method of teaching. Like anything, it can be abused and that is when we have problems.
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User avatar #375 to #318 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Whatever justifies it for you to be able to hit your kids, guy. It's not my kids you're ******* up.
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User avatar #264 to #80 - sphincterface (11/19/2015) [-]
My father beat me, and I can honestly say I am a well behaved person.....because I developed a fear of punishment. It's completely different.

Also, I am not mentally healthy, I am completely aware of that.
I have major anxiety and depression issues. I get afraid of having any kind of physical contact with anyone. And whenever something goes on, I mentally beat myself up for it.

I am not okay...
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User avatar #374 to #264 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
This may be my assumption, but how does that disagree with me?
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User avatar #387 to #374 - sphincterface (11/19/2015) [-]
Nah man, I wasn't disagreeing.

What I was trying to do was show why beating your kids is wrong. I agree completely with you, you should be gentle and loving but firm with your kids. Hitting them is just ****** up.
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User avatar #388 to #387 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
All it takes is for you to ask yourself what you'd prefer from a punishment, for you to just get punched on the face, or for it to be explained why you were wrong about something.

Though that's moot on this site, as ******* everyone just assumes they're right all the time, and there's something wrong with you for not seeing it that way.

"But what do you mean by 'why you were wrong about something'. You said it reference to me, so I'm confused..."
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User avatar #161 to #80 - fourfangedferret ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
>comparing getting whipped with extension cords to a disciplinary slap

bruh. There is a ******* massive difference between thrashing your kids, and using a slap to teach them that actions can have consequences. Sure, some kids dont need it. One of my nephews is, quite frankly, a bloody angel, even though his father could use a good thrashing that i would love to deliver but my other nephew from my other sister is a cheeky little **** that refuses to be respectful or listen. Not all the time, but more often than he should by far. You reckon sitting and explaining why what they are doing is wrong? How about when during you explanation he just jams his fingers in his ears and refuses to listen? Id never hit the kid, its not my place, but sometimes, and it should be as infrequent as possible it is necesary to teach them that actions can have physical consequences, and those consequences can hurt a little. Otherwise you get little ***** that think they are invincible. Ive seen kids flip their parents off in the middle of a stern talking to and walk away. Couldnt have been more than ten. and of course, one should only use a slap as a last resort. It should never form the base of your discipline structure. call it anecdotal evidence, i dont care, but dont act like some shrink with a book knows how every child acts.
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User avatar #176 to #161 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Except what sort of lesson are you really teaching your kid kid with a disciplinary slap? The simple fact that consequences are a thing is easy as balls to see. Specific consequences are the important lesson. You either instil that physical violence is the only consequence that matters, or that no other consequences should be respected. You end up with awkward scenarios like "I forgot to return your call, are you gonna slap me now?" My girlfriend is facing this same issue with emotional abuse, where she still can't bring herself to share **** with me under the guise I'll emotionally abuse her, as that was the consequence she's attuned to.

The most effective lessons on consequences are ones where the consequence fots what they'll actually see.
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User avatar #211 to #176 - fourfangedferret ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
>only consequence

did you actually read what i wrote? When you have actually read it, then come back to me.
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User avatar #368 to #211 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
If you can't argue against what I've written, just say so, and walk away. Don't do this lazy ass **** where "you must notve have read my comment!" **** . I know you're just gonna pull this garbage that regardless of what I say you're going to respond with "still didn't read my comment, lol!"

Or, I'll tell you what. YOU tell me what argument you're expecting, or is that too much work?
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User avatar #376 to #368 - fourfangedferret ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
No, actually, i wouldnt keep using the "you didnt read my comment" thing at all. The only reason i used it, is because you acted like i was advocating only physical punishment, when in fact, i said that was the very last resort. Case in point your comment about instilling the belief that physical violence is the only consequence that matters, or that no other consequence matters. Which i in no way, shape, or form have advocated at any stage during this disagreement. The only way that would happen is if it was a reguar and ongoing treatment, and as i said in a previous comment,,physical violence should not form the basis of any punishment, it should only be used when you have exhausted all other methods at your disposal. To elaborate further, you should never slap your kid when you are angry, you should never use any other object other than an open hand, and you should never go overboard. Now, if you wish to continue this, adress the points i have actually made, instead of exagerating and selectively ignoring it.
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User avatar #377 to #376 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Then the real issue is you're not really arguing a point I went against in my original comment. My original comment simply condemned this glorification of using pain compliance while ignoring the observed negative effects of using said method of punishment.

I don't disagree with pain compliance as a method of punishment, but you need to look at all of the instances where its used in the real world. Taxing is the easiest example I can think of. We don't use tazing as a way to mold a person's behaviors, we use it to get someone to stop behaving all together. The situation with parenting is significantly different. You're molding behavior. You're not just guiding them on not what not to do, but what to do. You hit your kid when they do some misc thing. Great, they know not to do X thing, and their ass hurts...but they're still at their own assumption of what they can continue doing with their time. Thats why reinforcement is infinitely better for modelling behavior into how to act like a decent person.
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User avatar #258 to #211 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/19/2015) [-]
You're correct. And not just because I agree with you, but because you are right.
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#332 to #161 - skebaba (11/19/2015) [-]
Respect is earned, not given. And he doesn't have to listen to you, since you may not be 100% about the things you are saying.
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User avatar #355 to #332 - fourfangedferret ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
I am most certainly 100% about what i was telling him. And respect should be automatic from a child to an adult, unless the adult is a complete stranger.
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#358 to #355 - skebaba (11/19/2015) [-]
Not really. Respect is earned, not given. Common courtesy is default, but not respect.
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User avatar #359 to #358 - fourfangedferret ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
So youre saying that a 5 year old is supposed to be able to make intelligent decisions about respect to his/her elders? Thats not quite how it works my friend.
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#362 to #359 - skebaba (11/19/2015) [-]
Respect isn't something you get without earning it. Otherwise respect loses meaning, if any scrublord can get it so easily. Saving someone's life earns respect, for example.
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User avatar #367 to #362 - fourfangedferret ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Oh, so i have to save my 5 year oldnnephews life for him to respect me? **** me. When i was a kid, my parents bloody well told me who to give respect to, because they knewnthat i was too young to figure it out myself. It basically boils down to respecting your family, and respecting the elderly.
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User avatar #378 to #367 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
And you're still that far down the rabbit hole into believing your parents to be absolutely infallible in everything?

Or maybe it's more responsible to say something along the lines of you most likely knowing more about any given scenario than he will?

If your kid comes home from school swearing this unlikely thing happened, and you punish him for lying to you, you're not building respect, you're teaching him that even when he's honest with you, you'll still act like an asshole. That'll sure harbor trust for the future.

"Tell me the truth!"
"How the **** do I know you'll believe it?!"
And then you hit him for disrespecting you.
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User avatar #380 to #378 - fourfangedferret ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Did i say that my parents were infallible? No. Dont put words in my mouth. Im really ******* sick of arguing with people that quite simply refuse to take what i say at face value without extrapolating additional meanings that had no place in what i actually said.
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User avatar #381 to #380 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
What you said was "I am most certainly 100% about what I'm telling him" which is arrogant as all holy **** balls and completely false. So even if you're going to deny that your parents rosed you into believing they were infallible, you're not giving a lot of confidence that you won't be that way.
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User avatar #382 to #381 - fourfangedferret ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
No its not ******* wrong, what i was telling him was common courtesy in how he should be talking to his grandparents, and the fact that yelling at them is rude as all **** . I am 100% certain that what i said to him was correct given the situation.
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User avatar #383 to #382 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
And all of that is supposed to somehow logic into not being arrogant as ll holy ********* ?

Inlisen tomy parents, and even solicit advice on what I don't know, but to preme they'd gonna have al f the answers with 100% certainty is ainne **** . These are people where "go door to door" is still valid advice for getting a job, where it "an excuse" when I telll them "100/100 place said 'go online".
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User avatar #393 to #383 - fourfangedferret ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Yet again, youve taken what i said and changed it to suit you. Ive already said that i dont think my parents are infallible, and we arent talking about advice on job hunting. Im talking about teaching my nephew who is five, as i mentioned before, but you are acting as though he has the same reasoning abilities as an adult about courtesy and respect towards his grandparents, which i think is a fairly universal concept. Well. It should be, if it isnt. Now im done with talking to you, you simply refuse to adress anything i actually say, instead prefering to twist it to something you have an argument against. Have a nice day.
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User avatar #402 to #393 - lolollo ONLINE (11/20/2015) [-]
You're gonna give me **** for putting words in your mouth, and then take an example I proposed seriously, as though that were my argument?

At this point, im wondering whether you even know how much of a narcissistic hypocritical you even are. But whatever floats your boat, guy...
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User avatar #99 to #80 - syntheticdoll (11/18/2015) [-]
Beating your kid with extension cords regulary is abuse. Slapping your kid like once a month when he/she says into your face that for example you're a whore is teaching them a hard lesson. (ofc never start with physical means but some kids will only learn things from that, learned that from my cousins) Learn the difference.
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User avatar #104 to #99 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
And in the meantime, you teach your kid that if anyone says anything even mildly disrespectful, you physically abuse them to punish them.

That sure will be a hard lesson after they turn 18.
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User avatar #107 to #104 - syntheticdoll (11/18/2015) [-]
Miracolously i never met a kid who learned that from a few slaps. They just learn that being an ass has circumstances so they try to not be an ass. The mind of a small child is simple, if an action causes a bad reaction then it's best to avoid that action because it's bad.
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User avatar #112 to #107 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
I'm so glad your anecdotal evidence has yielded such positive outcomes for you.
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User avatar #115 to #112 - syntheticdoll (11/18/2015) [-]
I'm just saying that a few slaps and ass whoopings won't turn a kid into some maniac serial killer unless he/she already has mental problems or the punishment they received went way further than a few slaps and whoopings, like in this case.
You will throw that no physical punishment wiev into a bin when your kid will be screaming for 3 hours straight then when you tell them to quit they shout into your face "no you stupid bitch, **** off"... every... single... day...
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User avatar #120 to #115 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
Or so you hope, because then you can feel better about you not being able to discipline your kids without resorting to what makes you feel better.
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#180 to #120 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
glad to not see you in the gene pool
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User avatar #183 to #180 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
I'm not even sure if asking "wat?" would adequately portray how confusing your comment is right now.
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#189 to #183 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
i mean that you woudnt be a good father
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#363 to #189 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
So says the guy who would have me believe that abusing his children is valid parenting.

Real convincing.
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#188 to #183 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
me chekki brekkin anon
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#85 to #80 - akirafudo (11/18/2015) [-]
**akirafudo used "*roll picture*"**
**akirafudo rolled image**every medicine is a poison if you dont watch the amount,

too much of anything is bad for you.

therefore your premise is as wrong as the anti vaxers
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#88 to #85 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
Except that physical violence isn't a medicine you loon. If I shoot you in the head...but only a little...does that help you at all? Is the answer no? If not, go try it for yourself and get bakc to me.
Except that physical violence isn't a medicine you loon.

If I shoot you in the head...but only a little...does that help you at all?

Is the answer no? If not, go try it for yourself and get bakc to me.
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User avatar #111 to #88 - ipwnallnubz (11/18/2015) [-]
Except intelligent people don't "beat" their kids to discipline them. They spank them, and that's definitely not lethal. When you're training a dog, do you:
a) tell it it did a bad thing
b) shoot it a little
c) hit it with a newspaper/magazine or spray it with water

Please stop. I've heard some decent arguments against corporal punishment, but you're just retarded.
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User avatar #117 to #111 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
I'm so glad people and dogs are the same in your eyes.

Really shows where your mindset is at.
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#124 to #117 - ipwnallnubz (11/18/2015) [-]
You're teaching either one that both that whatever they just did is worthy of punishment.

And it's better than your analogy of spanking ~ shooting.
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User avatar #127 to #124 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
No, they're both stupid as hell, but then again, I made my own analogy to note how balls stupid the initial analogy given to me, was. Humanity has the capacity to understand a stern talking to. Dogs don't. It's ******* simple.
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User avatar #138 to #127 - ipwnallnubz (11/18/2015) [-]
And when the human doesn't want to listen to what it's being told, it has to be punished. A spank or two is much easier for everyone than grounding for x number of hours, and if there is no punishment at all, the intelligent human will simply not care that it's receiving a stern talking to.

My analogy is still not as bad as yours. Dogs can understand us after they've been given a demonstration of what we mean. When one of our dogs misbehaves, my mom just has to ask if she needs to get the hose, and they stop.

The point the other guy was trying to get across with the medicine was just "everything in moderation." If you're going to spank a kid, you don't do a set number every time. Worse offenses receive worse punishments. Spanking also gives you a very real threat that you can use anywhere in one of your stern talks.
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User avatar #184 to #138 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Tell you what guy, when a dog invents technology and philosophy to be able to debate the finer parts of how different they are from us, I'll listen to the idea that they're psychologically similar to us. Until then, you're living in a land where all of your examples fit a very specific, very rare scenario. What if the kids a psychopath? What if he grows up to be a bigger psychological paragon than you?
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User avatar #214 to #184 - ipwnallnubz (11/19/2015) [-]
I'm noticing you also seem to be under the impression that people who use corporal punishment only use corporal punishment, and I know that that's not true. I don't doubt that some children who are only punished through corporal punishment end up becoming abusive themselves, and I believe that a stern talking-to can work, but only if there's some serious weight behind your words. The kid has to know that not listening will end with a punishment.
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User avatar #209 to #184 - ipwnallnubz (11/19/2015) [-]
This isn't advanced stuff. If any creature does something and immediately afterwards they feel pain, and this happens a few times, they realize that there's probably a connection there and that they shouldn't do it. It could probably be considered an instinct.

What do you mean, "What if the kid's a psychopath?"
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User avatar #369 to #209 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Except it's not that simple with humans. Humans are able to analyze their situations to look for motive, intention, morality, and potentially even manipulate their environment. You're sitting there saying "the only difference is that humanity can reason" as though it's the difference between having one or two arms. It's a pretty ******* huge significance, guy.
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User avatar #401 to #369 - ipwnallnubz (11/20/2015) [-]
That's why you tell the child why they're being punished. There's your motive and intent, and if the parent really feels like it, he/she can explain further why the punishment is necessary for developing the child as a human. There's your morality; it's to make the child develop as a member of society, and that's true of any punishment, really.

Continuing with your bad analogies, having one or two arms is also pretty significant.
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User avatar #406 to #401 - lolollo ONLINE (11/20/2015) [-]
It I compared to the difference between having Cognitive function or not. I garuntee if you had to choose between a lobotomy and amputating an arm, you're not gonna go making yourself less intelligent just to prove some asshole wrong on the internet.

And yes, explaining to your kid why your hitting is at least better than just hitting them, but that doesn't solve the issue you create where you teach your kid that you punish people by hitting them. Are you gonna tell the kid that "you're not just supposed to hit people for punishment"? And then keep hitting him when he questions why it is you're hitting him for a punishment, then?
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User avatar #414 to #406 - ipwnallnubz (11/20/2015) [-]
Spanking the kid is when you say something along the lines of, "You don't like it do you? Then don't do it to others. They don't like it either." Maybe combine it with, "It hurts me to do this more than it hurts you. I don't like causing you pain, but I need to teach you." They'll understand that. There's where the cognitive reasoning and morality of the child come in.
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User avatar #416 to #414 - lolollo ONLINE (11/20/2015) [-]
No they won't, they'll question why it is you're punishing them with it if the lesson is supposed to be "don't do this." Its like if your dad smokes, how convincing is it really to hear him tell you not to smoke?
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User avatar #419 to #416 - ipwnallnubz (11/21/2015) [-]
Very. My mom smokes, and I never will. I can't stand the smell, and I know what it does to you. If you know how serious the ramifications for something are, you won't do them.
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User avatar #420 to #419 - lolollo ONLINE (11/21/2015) [-]
And did your mother have to hit you in order to convince you to never smoke?
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User avatar #421 to #420 - ipwnallnubz (11/21/2015) [-]
No. She didn't even tell me not to smoke until after I decided that myself.
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User avatar #422 to #421 - lolollo ONLINE (11/21/2015) [-]
Oh man...almost...almost as though you were able to understand such a lesson without needing to be beat for it.
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#361 to #209 - akirafudo (11/19/2015) [-]
he means he is retarded to express himself and im talking about lolollo
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User avatar #145 to #127 - yunoavailable (11/18/2015) [-]
Adult humans certainly do, small children often do not. Small children and animals are very similar in that they often don't truly comprehend the consequences of their actions especially if they haven't experienced those consequences before. Because of this it is often necessary to make the consequences more immediate and understandable. I certainly don't think that spanking your child should be a regular occurrence but if other methods such as talking to them about it or punishment by taking away privileges don't work then physical punishment is an option. you can claim that it will hurt them forever psychologically if you want but even if it does it's still better than not properly disciplining your child and having it walk out in front of a car and die. To make this issue an all or nothing argument is not only a fallacy it deprives everyone involved from a honest discussion.
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User avatar #178 to #145 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
That was never my argument, either. One instance of spankong won't scar your child. It's just that justifying regular physical consequences by comparing your kid to a dog is stupid as **** . Theres gotta be that one point where you start trusting your kid to start understanding complex thoughts and actions.
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User avatar #192 to #178 - yunoavailable (11/19/2015) [-]
I'll agree to that, the older the kid gets the less you should need to resort to spanking. I am absolutely against "because I said so" parenting and as soon as the child can start to understand the REASON something is not allowed, explaining the reason to them should always be the first step and spanking the very last. From my experience as a kid though I have to say that there are some threats I did not take nearly seriously enough, simply because I didn't have the experience to understand why those things matter. I don't think spanking should be a first step in those situations I just don't think it should be ruled out completely.
Honestly just this one comment by you clears up a lot of things though. In most of this thread you come off as a bit of an absolutist jackass whereas in this comment I can see that while you probably lean farther towards no corporal punishment than I do you have a fairly good basis behind it and aren't ******* crazy lol.
Internet arguments suck because they tend to make everyone seem like assholes so I guess thanks for overcoming the system somewhat
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User avatar #366 to #192 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
It sounds like we agree on a lot of this issue. Unfortunately, I'm guessing the majority of this site are the sort where their kids will never actually get to that level of reasoning in their eyes, so you get everyone circlejerking over the idea that actually reasoning with your kids is bad parenting. It's fine, though, my dad was like that for a long ass time, and just now realized that I have the capacity to analyze and reason for myself. They'll just end up in a situation where their kid hates their guts and they'll be too far gone in their arrogance of "but I did everything right, its his problem!" to realize how much they've fu ked their kids.
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User avatar #168 to #127 - djmaryhikineet (11/19/2015) [-]
humans and animals share the same traits in this example both share "what doesn't kill makes you stronger" as both will try to stay away from it or adapt to it and if they don't they can get killed, if you get a sun burn then you will try to remember sun screen as the pain is the consequences of forgetting it. both socially and physically humans and animals will try not to mess up again or it could get them killed of course this is case to case but still.
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User avatar #179 to #168 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Except a sunburn is a quantifiable, neutral occurance, and is significantly different from a caregiver hitting you for a variety of infractions, some you might not even agree with.
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User avatar #187 to #179 - djmaryhikineet (11/19/2015) [-]
Your not wrong its just an example of how we either die to something or adapt to it. i don't mind your argument about the fact physical punishment can cause physiological problems, i mean its your opinion and your not necessarily wrong, what i was talking about is that humans are very much like dogs or other animals the only thing we have over them is communication that is deeper then body language of course a lot of other stuff but the source of all that is how we learned to communicate . both us and them learn from pain better then other means of communication as none of us want to be in pain.
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User avatar #365 to #187 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Except...you're forgetting that SINCE we have that higher Cognitive skill, we DONT need to resort to that pain complience. Plus, dogs are pack animals. They require an alpha to survive. We don't. A dog, even with the capacity to, can't afford to fight back with pain compliance. Then again, its our capacity to reason which made it where "blindly listening to a leader" would actually be hilariously maladaptive. You analogy us weak, for a variety of reasons.
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User avatar #400 to #365 - djmaryhikineet (11/20/2015) [-]
well yes we have higher cognitive abilitys still a child doesn't b/c they haven't developed. dogs are very close to humans b/c we trained them too be.
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User avatar #405 to #400 - lolollo ONLINE (11/20/2015) [-]
A child develops from conception on, guy. Kids don't just stay cognitively stagnant until theyre 5, when they suddenly become intelligent. Kids, at the age of 3 and 4, are already capable of more than a dog would be capable of, basic speech, and it increases from there.

Or, what, are you hitting your hit pre-the age of 5? I'm not being sarcastic that's the only leeway that argument allows. Because after that, humans begin to comprehend the complicated arguments people assuming they're the only ones capable of.
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User avatar #423 to #405 - djmaryhikineet (11/22/2015) [-]
i could make the joke of "oh your argument is invalidated by yourself existing" but thats not fair, you've been a fair sport so i should be even if im annoyed. what I've been trying to say is humans tend to be civil until their lives depend on surviving over being civil. and even then b/c of how were cognitively above other life forms we are by far the worst species to exist as all other species do whats needed to live but we've gone to the point we just do stuff cause we can but this is the curse of humanity. but other animals in our position would do the same as that would be the only way they'd achieve our level of evolution. your right we aren't like animals were above them but a curse to them and us.
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User avatar #424 to #423 - lolollo ONLINE (11/22/2015) [-]
That's its own philosophical can of worms, though I agree. The human condition is all about transcending survival needs and requirements, which is why when it comes to things like capital punishment or hitting your kids for punishment, its not always "required" for the same effect. But then we use pain as an amusing aside because we can... all of these 13 mile obstacle courses, fun runs, etc.
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User avatar #259 to #117 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/19/2015) [-]
Appeal to emotion.

Don't be a faggot.
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User avatar #372 to #259 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]

How is me pointing out that dogs and humans are inherently different an appeal to emotion? Do you even know what appeal to emotion is?
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User avatar #395 to #372 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/19/2015) [-]
You provided no argument as to why training a dog and training a child are completely different things. You just put on your most appalled face and tried to discredit the argument solely on how negative it sounded. "I'm so glad people and dogs are the same in your eyes". The kind of argument where you have make with a ****** tone for it to actually invoke any response at all.

While semi-poetic, your argument has no grounding in reality.
We're both animals. Positive feedback, negative feedback, association... just a few techniques I can think of off the top of my head that work both with kids and dogs. We're more alike than we are 'inherently different'.

Did I really have to explain this to you? Your own argument? You could have just refined your argument but you decided to not only lose, but to guarantee you were a pleb too.
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User avatar #403 to #395 - lolollo ONLINE (11/20/2015) [-]
If you really need me to explain, with sources, the fundamental differences between humanity and a dog, over the internet, a man-made invention, which dogs don't even have the capacity to comprehend, then you really are digging way too hard into that barrel to justify your asinine views on reality.

Children have a capacity for understanding at the age of two that dogs won't have in their entire lifetime. If you're expecting sources for that, no. Look them up yourself. You're not looking for me to justify my claims sonyou can change your mind, you're hoping I don't have them at all, to where even if I gave you the plethora of studies on child paychology, you're not gonna buy it.

Call me lazy, claim you've won the argument if you want it was gonna end in you going all "you're too retarded to understand this" an then block me as though it means you've won anyway , I'm not trying to break open some controversy. **** your kids up if you want, I'm not saying all of this for your benefit. I'm saying it because it's what I've been taught, I've seen the surveys, I've learned about the psychological traits.

It seems you haven't, which you then think is my problem.
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User avatar #407 to #403 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/20/2015) [-]
You are so paranoid of losing this argument you've predicted it just so that you can claim that you did. Congrats, you've had an argument on the internet before. Its the same as when women say "go on, prove me wrong again!". You're weak.

Also, this is the first time actually trying to explain your argument. Well done.

"I'm saying it because it's what I've been taught, I've seen the surveys, I've learned about the psychological traits."

For somebody that has a "plethora" of evidence, seen the surveys and learned about the psychological traits, you were, and still are surprisingly reluctant to give this information up. Still you just talked about it the same way that obnoxious kid talks about his uncle that is a skydiving secret agent that works at nickelodeon.

I think you were hoping that if you were confident and pretentious enough, I'd just trust that nobody could be that much of a cunt without having done their research. You even forced the word asinine in there and nobody was impressed.

You've made claims pertaining the fundamental and inherent differences between infants and dogs. In the context of training, you've made the claim that you cannot train a child the way that you train a dog. You're wrong. Positive feedback and negative feedback are absolutely proven to work with both.

I've never seen somebody use the word 'sources' so liberally while actually providing none. The content of your comment is genuinely 95% drivel. The remaining 5% was that one claim you made about children's capacity for understanding. Please follow that up. Stop making **** claims. Of course you end with the classic "I know something that you don't"... great.
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User avatar #408 to #407 - lolollo ONLINE (11/20/2015) [-]
Whateverhelps you justify it guy. If you want to give in to the same sort of behavior you seem to think I'm playing I to just to try and trump my nonexistent attempt to "win the argument isn't" you go ahead.

All I know is I'm confident enough in my point to where convincing you of how wrong you are would do nothing for me, so I don't care anymore.

I've been in enough of these sort of argument on this site that I'm done trying to act like a voice of reason for a community which only cares about hearing their opinion thrown back at them as valid proof that they're right in the world. 90% of the people white blocking me are doing so simply because I disagreed with them on something and how dare I not change from their baratement on how retarded I am.

What's worse is I know from formal teaching what it is. We're becoming like tumblr, but with conservative ideals, to include the hugbox effect.
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User avatar #409 to #408 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/20/2015) [-]
Omg you are such a voice of reason. ur basically a visionary ur so enlightened. how do you have this power to see something from 3rd person?

You've tried to sweep this argument aside by telling me its all part of some larger prophecy that you have predicted. I feel so silly just being a pawn in your grand scheme. "I know from formal teaching".
Again with the claims to have information exclusive to you. Why do you feel the need to appeal to these intangible sources like they lend you any credibility whatsoever.

protip: If everyone is calling you a retard, you are probably the retard. There's no greater conspiracy you dumb cunt this is just you panicking like a weak little primate.
Its you that's misunderstood this entire argument and it would be laughably hypocritical of you if you didn't self-reflect just once in your life to realise that you are the exact same as everyone else on funnyjunk. Dogs and kids can be trained effectively in many of the same ways, fact. You don't have to cry.
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#410 to #409 - lolollo ONLINE (11/20/2015) [-]
Actually, m just trying to end the argument because I already know you don't actually give a **** about anyone's opinion but your own.

And go ahead and go to tumblr and test your protip for yourself. Hey man...the majority is telling you you that you're a cishet asshole...must be true...totally not giving in to bandwagon fallacy...

You don't get to ignore the fallacy just because it now benefits you you idiot.
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User avatar #411 to #410 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/20/2015) [-]
"you don't give a **** about anybodies opinion but your own!!!"

you are crying so so much. have you ever had a ******* argument before? do you know the format of a debate!? The idea that is that one person stands for their own opinion and the other person stand for theirs. You are so upset that you haven't won that you are declaring that I am simply not interested in truth. This is an extraordinarily self congratulatory way to think. YOU HAVEN'T PRESENTED ANYTHING. I had to caps lock there. Italics weren't enough to explain your critical failure.

If you learn to read real quick, you'll notice that I said "probably". I did this on purpose to account for the scenario that you might be in crazy town surrounded by people with a shared ideology. oh yeah!!! Just like tumblr!!! And that's exactly what i said!! too bad you interpreted "probably" as "must be true"... jesus christ you literally can't stop failing.

I'll end the argument for you, if you like. When it comes to training and conditioning, humans and dogs are sufficiently similar to use many of the same techniques effectively. Our brains react the same ways to negative and positive reinforcement. Rewards enforce desirable behavior, punishments are associated with undesirable behavior. You would dispute this?
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#412 to #411 - lolollo ONLINE (11/20/2015) [-]
1). Take a nonchalant comment made by the opposition
2). Repeat it making it sound more drastic
3). Claim the opposition is "overly emotional" from point 2
4). Claim victory from being the more calm and rational one from point 3

Keep ******** on the chessboard and strutting around like you won, bro. It's totally convincing.
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User avatar #413 to #412 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/20/2015) [-]
just present ONE argument i beg you.

your refusal to do so has be absolutely ******* laughable. I do win. And not just because I want to, but because you have ducked, dodged and equivocated so much that this argument is over. If your analogy is the chessboard, you haven't even set up your ******* pieces.
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User avatar #415 to #413 - lolollo ONLINE (11/20/2015) [-]
Actually, I've been putting the peices away as you've frantically scrambled to set them up just so you can keep ******** on them.
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User avatar #417 to #415 - JonathanNowFuckYou (11/20/2015) [-]
jesus christ you tried so hard for the triple analogy. you missed the mark and now its horribly stretched and laboured. you can't stand a good rebuttal can you? you'd happily watch this analogy go on forever if it meant you didn't have to directly face your incompetence and failure.

I won this argument a very long time ago. Would you like the last word?
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User avatar #418 to #417 - lolollo ONLINE (11/21/2015) [-]
I can stand a good rebuttle, you just need to provide one.
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#235 to #117 - migueldecervantes (11/19/2015) [-]
You're being a strawman-ing idiot right now, lolollo. I'm very disappointed with you.
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#98 to #88 - akirafudo (11/18/2015) [-]
**akirafudo used "*roll picture*"****akirafudo rolled image**your analogies are retarded you can dose a hit, using it as a token of correction &quot;you did bad beyond the word uses, so i need to slap your hand&quot; using real force, making it traumatic makes the kid to develop resistance provoking the opposite effect, &quot;what you gonna do, hit me? you have sent me to ER before how is that a restraint for my behavior?&quot; like when someone use too much antibiotics. also, there is something known as rubber bullets moron, also people shoot eachother for fun in paintball, do i have to explain those analogies too? eat ****
**akirafudo used "*roll picture*"**
**akirafudo rolled image**your analogies are retarded

you can dose a hit, using it as a token of correction "you did bad beyond the word uses, so i need to slap your hand" using real force, making it traumatic makes the kid to develop resistance provoking the opposite effect, "what you gonna do, hit me? you have sent me to ER before how is that a restraint for my behavior?" like when someone use too much antibiotics.

also, there is something known as rubber bullets moron, also people shoot eachother for fun in paintball, do i have to explain those analogies too?

eat ****
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#100 to #98 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
I have retarded analogies while you're sitting here trying to pass off the idea that violence is a medicine?

**** off guy.

You're either hilariously ignorant, or trying your damndeat to justify your own violent tendencies.
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User avatar #133 to #100 - sledmondson (11/18/2015) [-]
Do yo have children?
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User avatar #143 to #133 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
I love this rhetoric. If I say no, you blow a gasket because you're only ever allowed to know how child psychology works if you have children. If I say yes, you berate me for being a bad parent, or lying.

yes, I have a kid.
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User avatar #154 to #143 - sledmondson (11/19/2015) [-]
It was a genuine question, no rhetoric, just trying to get some background and see what drives your view point. I also have a child, she's 18 months and obviously far too to ever even consider using physical punishment. However I had the **** beat out of me by a dad who had horrendous anger issues who beat my mum who in turn emotionally abused me because of her manic depression and constant threats of suicide. Now I'd never, ever beat my kids or abuse them emotionally purely due to what I've been through, but then like some other people in this debate I don't agree that a slap on the wrist or spanking a child is in the same league as beating them. In my own view i agree that kids have the ability to understand right and wrong but the problem is they also have the intelligence to choose. So if you've tried everything and the kids not listening to reason then is it okay to slap there wrist or bend them over your knee? I dont know, and it's an issue that i've been wrestling with as i know some day my kid will be naughty enough to warrant a physical punishment in some peoples eyes and I'll have to make that choice. It seems to me that it depends on the family and the equilibrium they have, sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt, but is it okay to ban it, or in the same token is it okay to fully condone it? Like i said i don't know, it's just one of those things that parents have to come to terms with and decide for thereselves. I think ultimately it wouldn't be a problem if it's not done in anger. If people lose their **** and smack a kid that seems to portray to the kid that you solve problems with loud words and fists, however when people are calm and collected and the physical punishment is in moderation and detached from emotion the kids seem to see it as what it is. But there's exceptions to everything, i'm just rambling now.
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User avatar #172 to #154 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Nor am I making the argument that a slap on the wrist is the same as full on abuse. It's just stupid as hell to use the logic that because your parents hit you when you were a kid, that "this is the only thing that'll work! C'mere Johnny!"
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User avatar #182 to #172 - sledmondson (11/19/2015) [-]
No i get that. It just seems yo were very anti-physical punishment, so just wanted to see where the view point stems from. I as you can see am firmly on the fence with it because I just don't know.
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User avatar #185 to #182 - lolollo ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
It all needa to stem with why you're hitting your kid at all. If its because they've backtalked, you're doing it wrong. Most of the people o deal with sound like their kid, hypothetical or not, is too stupid to understand reason to the point of ridiculousness.
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#101 to #100 - akirafudo (11/18/2015) [-]
**akirafudo used "*roll picture*"**
**akirafudo rolled image**you are, and you are what is wrong with this world, ho masturbate, then cry, then kill yourself
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User avatar #106 to #101 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
"You're wrong, go away"

Good counter. You sure convinced me of your argument.
seriously, though. How often does that really work?
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#109 to #106 - akirafudo (11/18/2015) [-]
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**akirafudo rolled image**you just proven your brain capabilities, so why argue with someone that handicapped? also i dont really want you to change opinion and you are close minded so whats the use?
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User avatar #114 to #109 - lolollo ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
You know what? I've never actually been on the other side of the "I've blocked you, so I win!" phenomenon. I wonder how it is.
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User avatar #105 - payseht ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
normally I'd feel like this could be put into one video or gif instead of broken up into images but... way to use the medium... sad to see how many people miss the point
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#163 to #105 - nowthatsedgy (11/19/2015) [-]
here friend
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#320 to #163 - ugoboom ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
******* 10 out of 10
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User avatar #198 to #163 - pseudonyms (11/19/2015) [-]
This video is beautiful, it truly helped me understand the message he was trying to send, it brought a tear to my eye. ****** dank.
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User avatar #216 - kegget (11/19/2015) [-]
I was abused as a kid. My mum would drag me around by the hair and beat seven shades of **** out of me. Then the next day she'd be telling all her friends about how much she loves me, then go back to beating me again.

That didn't mean I had no clue love is. I wasn't completely ignorant to the world.

Sorry, but a bad upbringing is no excuse for chimping out on a mother and child.
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User avatar #229 to #216 - manholefreddy (11/19/2015) [-]
True. Although he later knew it was wrong murder is still murder.

At least he knows it's no excuse.
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User avatar #345 to #216 - blackmageewizardt ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
OMG It´s almost like, different People react to different Stimulation! OMG either all People are like you, and just Born **** heads do something absoluty attrocious, or you are just to ******* stupid to understand that different People perceife expierence differently and will react differently towards this in their future life...

not sure though which one could be right, but i am sure it.s nr. 2
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#243 to #216 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
Not exactly true. It a type of brain wash. Now here is a long ass story about that.

My parents did the same, I was abused to the point where I landed in hospital several times. Doctors, nurses paramedics you name it, not 1 of them mentioned my injuries. So I just thought my life was normal, no one pointed out it wasn't. My dad was also extremely sexist, no not tumblr sexist, I mean real sexist. He taught me my place was in the home. My brother got to do load of fun things growing up, I just got to hear about them. My mom never seemed to be bothered by what was going on either, so I just assumed this is how everyone families were. Because I thought it's how everyone's families were, I never bothered to question it.

I extremely briefly abused small animals. When they bit me, I would just hurt them more. Nothing went through my mind as I was doing it, it was just blank. The craziest part is after I would hurt them I would hug them and say sorry then continue. But at the time I didn't fully understand that I was hurting them. I was so numb to emotional and physical pain, I forgot it exists. I would constantly hurt other kids at school but no one ever told on me so I was never in trouble, this just added fuel to the flame. Because no one was telling me "that's not normal", I always thought, I am normal. I never really felt bad for hurting people, just animals. That was the only time I felt guilty so I quickly stopped. I'm not sure why, but something just told me not to harm animals. My family "lightly" abused the dog and I guess not being the one to get hurt, or cause the harm made me realize the little fluff ball felt pain and he never fought back. So I'd try to protect him and take the beatings on his behalf.

Few years later, moved out of my town into my city, dad left, loads of other **** happened, oh well not relevant enough. Had my first crush. So I beat the boy up. Did it without second thought. I didn't feel bad, didn't feel joy, didn't feel anything. I just thought it was how life was and this was how people treated one another. That was the first time in my life people told me I wasn't normal.

Quickly what I did spread in the school and kids avoided me, I was put in detention but luckily my parents weren't called because they school didn't want to attract negative attention to themselves. The kid I beat up happened to be well liked, so what I did to him, other students did to me almost weakly. Something in my mind finally clicked. After being told how insane I was, how no one wanted to see me and how I was called crazy, among other things. I realized, this is not normal. Some how having someone other then my family beat me made it all click in.

I stopped hurting others, but they continued hurting me. I convinced myself I deserved it, and I did. If they didn't beat me up or point out hurting others isn't normally. I could of easily of killed someone. Simply because I thought I was normal.
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#333 to #243 - skebaba (11/19/2015) [-]
In what kind of retardistan do you live in where nobody in a hospital tells the child services about your obvious abuse injuries?
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#149 to #147 - galadvin (11/19/2015) [-]
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#146 - nowthatsedgy (11/18/2015) [-]
that is deep
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#164 to #146 - KEpToK (11/19/2015) [-]
so was your mom last night.
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User avatar #165 to #164 - nowthatsedgy (11/19/2015) [-]
you'll never replace edgymemelord
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#63 - privilege ONLINE (11/18/2015) [-]
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#287 - invshika (11/19/2015) [-]
That's all well and good, but he still murdered two people.
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User avatar #307 to #287 - iridium (11/19/2015) [-]
He wasn't asking for anything though.

He was just telling his story to a crew that filmed him.
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#312 to #307 - vytros ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Pretty much, I like how people are missing the point by miles.
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User avatar #249 - dantemp (11/19/2015) [-]
And when I said that "kids these day act like cunts because they need a good spanking" is total ******** , I get thumbed down.
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User avatar #221 - catburglarpenis (11/19/2015) [-]
Man, I converted to Buddhism a while back and I've followed a lot of Eastern philosophy since I was stationed in Asia for so long. Honestly, there has to be a Yin and Yang, a darkness to contextualize the light- but it's a damn shame things like this still occur. If nothing bad like this ever happened we would have nothing to contextualize our experience and we would be miserable over nothing- that was the story of Siddhartha (creator of Buddhism): that he was a rich prince and miserable, a devout ascetic and miserable, then finally created a middle way. Even so, I struggle to find the good in the bad sometimes. This man's stepfather created the monster, he became the monster, then he killed- as monsters are wont to do. After all this I still struggle to see the light amongst the dark, but one thought will always comfort me:

"Well, at least the guy's not levvy."
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#217 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
He MURDERED them and we're supposed to appreciate the miraculous epiphany he had in jail that murdering children is wrong?? **** outta here
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User avatar #65 - icecoldkilla (11/18/2015) [-]
You can physically discipline your kids, but you have a responsibility of explaining the difference between disciplining your child and beating your spouse.
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#337 to #65 - skebaba (11/19/2015) [-]
Depends. If a kid disagrees with you, it's not a reason to beat the kid. Same with talking back. You are supposed to ignore them. Ignoring is even more effective than beating a kid. Especially on kids under kindergarten age.
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#78 - anon (11/18/2015) [-]
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#95 to #78 - kibbleking (11/18/2015) [-]
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#200 - TheJailerPedo (11/19/2015) [-]
"i kiled people because my dad was mean to me"

yeah go **** yourself, everyone has the choice to kill or not to kill
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#311 to #200 - vytros ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Yeah believe the man called The Jailer Pedo

The man wasn't asking for forgiveness, he was just talking about his life, and that he understood what love was. He regretted everything, but he isn't asking for forgiveness from society.
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#379 to #311 - TheJailerPedo (11/19/2015) [-]
i was young and stupid i cant change it :[ yeah nah what i said came off really harsh, im glad hes trying to atone for it and is sorry i just didnt really like how it sounded as if he had less responsibility than someone else you kno? but yeah ur right
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User avatar #206 to #200 - Sterski (11/19/2015) [-]
He has reasons, and he clearly knows he was in the wrong, and is now atoning for it. So y'know, **** off.
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#224 to #206 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
>murdering is fine, he hard a hard life
I did too, maybe you should kill yourself, I think that'd be fine.
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User avatar #212 to #206 - vincatvangogh (11/19/2015) [-]
That's nice and all if it was assault or theft. He killed two people. You cant just say sorry and move on. That's not how that works
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User avatar #215 to #212 - Endofzeeworld (11/19/2015) [-]
Yeah he's not moving on. He's got a life sentence. The point is he feels deep and complete regret about what he did. The story isn't an excuse, it's an explanation and an acceptance of guilt.
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