Homeless guy spits some truth
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charak (11/14/2015) [-] The people who just sit back and watch society always know the truth that those involved with it are too blind too see.
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theturtlehermit (11/14/2015) [-] hmm.... i stand corrected. Thanks for keeping me honest Lech
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dominomnom (11/14/2015) [-] Man FJ is really laying on the positive feels today. **** I needed it
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anon (11/14/2015) [-]
All these people saying "What a cool guy" "He's right, society is cruel" and so on. But if some homeless guy would talk to you, you wouldn't be any different from all these people he complains about. You all would probably just walk off not even trying to talk to him.
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codeboy (11/14/2015) [-] **codeboy used "*roll picture*"**
**codeboy rolled image** Look guys, hate me if you want, but these are the facts so hear me out. This man had to have an amount of drugs on him that was so large that it could be considered distribution in order to get a sentence like that. The law is clear on a sentence for that kind of thing. That means he had to know what he was risking and what kind of consequences there were. I am not saying that it is right, but he took the risk and it's his fault that he is in the mess. He said that he had employees, would he hire a felon? Society is rejecting him because he decided not to follow society's rules. Again, I am not saying that the rules are right (I do not want to start a politics debate), but what I am saying is that he brought this on himself. If he doesn't want to follow the rules of our society, then he should live in a different one. He probably hurt his family and friends quite a bit by what he did and that is his own fault, we shouldn't be victimizing this man. This really is the age of the victim.
Also, for all of you who are going to respond with "There are plenty of silly laws that are broken all the time", again, HE took the risk, HE got caught, and HE brought it on himself. Yeah his situation sucks, but that is what happens.
**codeboy rolled image** Look guys, hate me if you want, but these are the facts so hear me out. This man had to have an amount of drugs on him that was so large that it could be considered distribution in order to get a sentence like that. The law is clear on a sentence for that kind of thing. That means he had to know what he was risking and what kind of consequences there were. I am not saying that it is right, but he took the risk and it's his fault that he is in the mess. He said that he had employees, would he hire a felon? Society is rejecting him because he decided not to follow society's rules. Again, I am not saying that the rules are right (I do not want to start a politics debate), but what I am saying is that he brought this on himself. If he doesn't want to follow the rules of our society, then he should live in a different one. He probably hurt his family and friends quite a bit by what he did and that is his own fault, we shouldn't be victimizing this man. This really is the age of the victim.
Also, for all of you who are going to respond with "There are plenty of silly laws that are broken all the time", again, HE took the risk, HE got caught, and HE brought it on himself. Yeah his situation sucks, but that is what happens.
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uhhyeahfmebaby ONLINE (11/14/2015) [-]
I'd rather be a brick wall than a spineless f****** monkey in a cage.
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schneidend ONLINE (11/14/2015) [-] He served his time. His punishment should be over, yet it continues.
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codeboy (11/15/2015) [-] Again, he knew the risk and he took it. That's all I am saying, all of you people keep on bringing up whether it is right or wrong when that is not the an argument I have been taking part of. I am simply stating facts and the fact is that it is his fault. I'm done arguing.
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syndromes (11/14/2015) [-] That's a lot of assumptions you're making there. It doesn't really matter if he 'broke society's rules' once, literally over a decade ago nonetheless. The real issue here is that our society has grown so cold that it can't even give a person a second chance because of something that happened in the past.
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scarygingerkid (11/14/2015) [-]
do you realize how easy it is to get busted with intent to distribute? if i have baggies and weed in the same vicinity of each other they can take me in for intent to distribute. i know guys who have been taken in for that exact reason. there is no such thing as society its just what the other guy wants you to do with your time. the only reason you will get any hate from anyone for this post is because you are BLATANTLY ignoring many factors that can attribute to someones specific case. for all we know this guy got taken in by the asshole cop of the town for having an 8ball of coke and some sandwich bags he picked up from the store on his way home cuz he remembered "oh wait i need lunch for tomorrow and i dont have any sandwich bags at home" and what if he smartened up in jail and tried to rejoin society? he has that charge on his record. the justice system is as fair as it gets...which is still very little, but still society can be worse sometimes. not all the time, but still this is one case.
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scarygingerkid (11/14/2015) [-]
"trumped up charge." i could be taken in for j walking and when im like "dude the **** ? all i did was cross the street" they could call that resisting arrest and take me down with any of the assortment of deadly weapons they carry on their persons. the cop who took him in could have just been looking for a bust that day and as soon as he caught a scent he pounced.
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draaaaiven (11/14/2015) [-]
Why even have sentences then? Why not just kill anyone who breaches the law? Why not deport them all?
If you're not going to give someone a second chance don't act like the 12 years of prison is the punishment.
If you're not going to give someone a second chance don't act like the 12 years of prison is the punishment.
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draaaaiven (11/14/2015) [-]
"He won't be ostracized if people don't get to know that he's a felon." Thank you captain obvious but that isn't really not ostracizing.
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codeboy (11/14/2015) [-] I made two separate statements, "he is not being completely ostracized". I also said "he can restart his own contracting business and make lots of money where nobody would know that he is a felon". That second statement was simply there to show that he said himself that he could get decent work.
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draaaaiven (11/14/2015) [-]
Sorry but that's basicly what you've said. I know that it isn't a quote but you might aswell had said that.
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uhhyeahfmebaby ONLINE (11/14/2015) [-]
You're the kind of person that enables ****** up **** like this to happen. You dont give a **** enough to change it, and your attitude is "he deserved what he got". It dont take much to get stupid charges like that bro, he was a productive member of society and did drugs. He was a contractor, he was so good at what he did he was able to employ other people to be a benefit to society, but because he did something that bigoted people dont like, regardless if it was ******* affecting them or not, he got imprisoned, and turned into a piece of **** by society's standards because someone decided to stick their nose up his ass in the name of "justice". You're a piece of **** in my opinion, but id rather argue with you than damn you.
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codeboy (11/14/2015) [-] I am sorry, I didn't realize that I am enabling " ****** up **** " when I think that there should be consequences for rules that are broken. Look man, society is founded upon a set of rules that must be followed to keep order. There are always those who break them and have to deal with the consequences. YES the rules can be changed, but until then, all you have to do is follow them. His life wouldn't have ended up like this if he just literally had NOT had illegal substances (Which he admitted to) then he wouldn't be in his current situation. It's that simple, not my fault. I guess you are right though, I don't empathize too much with this man. It was his decision and that is irrefutable. I apologize that that makes you angry, but that is the way it is. If he wants to live in a society like this without consequences like such, all he had to do was follow the rules.
If he wanted to use those drugs or possess them (Possibly sell) then he should have decided to live in a society that allowed that (Or tried to make change and wait until change was made). If he did not want to follow our society's rules (which are in place for a reason) then he should not have been a part of it. Just understand that I am stating facts, please. I refer you to my earlier statements "I'm not saying it's right" "This really is the age of the victim".
Sorry, but if you don't like it, either fight hard to change it, or leave. I'm sure that you are doing quite a bit to help change " ****** up **** like this"?
If he wanted to use those drugs or possess them (Possibly sell) then he should have decided to live in a society that allowed that (Or tried to make change and wait until change was made). If he did not want to follow our society's rules (which are in place for a reason) then he should not have been a part of it. Just understand that I am stating facts, please. I refer you to my earlier statements "I'm not saying it's right" "This really is the age of the victim".
Sorry, but if you don't like it, either fight hard to change it, or leave. I'm sure that you are doing quite a bit to help change " ****** up **** like this"?
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uhhyeahfmebaby ONLINE (11/14/2015) [-] You've gotta change the minds of people in order to change the laws, it has to be taken one person at a time, its all I have the power to do, im not rich, I cant host a tv AD or a ******* program to talk to people, this is my medium, this is a place to fight ideas, as much as the real world, theres only so much i can do for now, but I am trying.
Mexican immigrants referred to this plant as “marihuana”. While Americans were very familiar with “cannabis” because it was present in almost all tinctures and medicines available at the time, the word “marihuana” was a foreign term. So, when the media began to play on the fears that the public had about these new citizens by falsely spreading claims about the “disruptive Mexicans” with their dangerous native behaviors including marihuana use, the rest of the nation did not know that this “marihuana” was a plant they already had in their medicine cabinets.
The demonization of the cannabis plant was an extension of the demonization of the Mexican immigrants. In an effort to control and keep tabs on these new citizens, El Paso, TX borrowed a play from San Francisco’s playbook, which had outlawed opium decades earlier in an effort to control Chinese immigrants. The idea was to have an excuse to search, detain and deport Mexican immigrants.
That excuse became marijuana.
This method of controlling people by controlling their customs was quite successful, so much so that it became a national strategy for keeping certain populations under the watch and control of the government.
people are played as sheep man, it aint right, then ignorant people like you are like "its the law man he brought this on himself"
Mexican immigrants referred to this plant as “marihuana”. While Americans were very familiar with “cannabis” because it was present in almost all tinctures and medicines available at the time, the word “marihuana” was a foreign term. So, when the media began to play on the fears that the public had about these new citizens by falsely spreading claims about the “disruptive Mexicans” with their dangerous native behaviors including marihuana use, the rest of the nation did not know that this “marihuana” was a plant they already had in their medicine cabinets.
The demonization of the cannabis plant was an extension of the demonization of the Mexican immigrants. In an effort to control and keep tabs on these new citizens, El Paso, TX borrowed a play from San Francisco’s playbook, which had outlawed opium decades earlier in an effort to control Chinese immigrants. The idea was to have an excuse to search, detain and deport Mexican immigrants.
That excuse became marijuana.
This method of controlling people by controlling their customs was quite successful, so much so that it became a national strategy for keeping certain populations under the watch and control of the government.
people are played as sheep man, it aint right, then ignorant people like you are like "its the law man he brought this on himself"
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uhhyeahfmebaby ONLINE (11/14/2015) [-]
Im going to bed for now, its 11pm and im tired, i have productive **** i need to do for society tomorrow, then im going to go smoke a bowl, if you feel like you want to call the cops on me ill go ahead and give you my address and you can be a good little boy and call me into crime stoppers, hell, i'll even pm you a picture of my ID card so you know im not giving you some ******** address.
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codeboy (11/14/2015) [-] Look man, you are still missing the entire point. You seem very naive and this seems to be flying above your head. The FACT is that he broke the law and the FACT is that he got the consequences. THAT is why I have no empathy for him, it was still entirely his choice. REGARDLESS of whether or not the laws are right. These facts are a product of our society and if you do not want to deal with them, then don't victimize yourself with the "I don't have the power to change anything speech". Just leave or be an active and law abiding member of the society until you can help make the changes that you would like for yourself and for future generations.
I have stated over and over, that stating this FACT, does NOT mean that I believe the laws are correct.
I won't be responding unless you have something worth while to read, sorry. I don't really feel like arguing with a brick wall tonight. Nothing personal.
I have stated over and over, that stating this FACT, does NOT mean that I believe the laws are correct.
I won't be responding unless you have something worth while to read, sorry. I don't really feel like arguing with a brick wall tonight. Nothing personal.
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uhhyeahfmebaby ONLINE (11/14/2015) [-]
If you believe the law is wrong but yet this dude should still be condemned for breaking the law you are the dumbest most ignorant f****** piece of spineless, hypocritical, lazy s*** I have ever met my life.
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codeboy (11/14/2015) [-] I feel like I must respond to this. I believe that some laws in effect could be revised, corrected, or even changed for the better. I live in this society and abide by the laws because this society is a good one. The United States of America is ******* great. It's better than living in China, India, or let alone any god damn third world countries for that matter.
It's really starting to sound to me like you are into anti Americanism which is pretty ****** up man. You have the freedom and security to speak your mind, to live a subtle life and work doing something you love, to be something great. Yet here are people like you who say "Oh America is full of " ****** up **** " because we have laws that are needed to keep order" and "The people are "played as sheep and it ain't right!"". You have the ******* freedom AND security to say **** like that, yet you still act that way. Be at least a little grateful for something in your damn life. Be ******* grateful that you can work for more than 1$ a day and have the ability to work for a real living. I have tried to be understanding until now, but when someone like you with all of your freedom and all of your security that is provided to you by your society starts to say stupid **** like that, I cannot stand it.
TL;DR: THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE LAND OF THE FREE, ASSHOLE! WE HAVE RULES HERE AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN YOU ARE FREE TO GET THE **** OUT!
Okay, NOW I am done. Call me all the names you want.
It's really starting to sound to me like you are into anti Americanism which is pretty ****** up man. You have the freedom and security to speak your mind, to live a subtle life and work doing something you love, to be something great. Yet here are people like you who say "Oh America is full of " ****** up **** " because we have laws that are needed to keep order" and "The people are "played as sheep and it ain't right!"". You have the ******* freedom AND security to say **** like that, yet you still act that way. Be at least a little grateful for something in your damn life. Be ******* grateful that you can work for more than 1$ a day and have the ability to work for a real living. I have tried to be understanding until now, but when someone like you with all of your freedom and all of your security that is provided to you by your society starts to say stupid **** like that, I cannot stand it.
TL;DR: THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE LAND OF THE FREE, ASSHOLE! WE HAVE RULES HERE AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN YOU ARE FREE TO GET THE **** OUT!
Okay, NOW I am done. Call me all the names you want.
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uhhyeahfmebaby ONLINE (11/14/2015) [-]
Im not saying laws are ****** up **** . Laws are laws, and MOST are there for a reason, made by people smarter than me, with the intention of a good society, i just wish that was always the case. Im definitely not Anti-American, im looking to join the Marine Corps soon, but more because I love the people of this country than the country itself. I want them to be happy and be free to live the lives they choose to live. (As long as they are not harming others in the process) I am grateful, I do appreciate the opportunities I have, so much so i feel a true anger when i see people like this guy have opportunities taken away from him, when he really did no damage to anyone but himself. It makes me angry when people like pedophiles, are still granted more opportunity than this guy, after causing direct and disgusting harm, to someone who holds the future of this country in their hands. You call it the land of the free yet certain laws like this, severely cripple those simply in pursuit of their own happiness. I am not angry at america, just certain laws like this i believe are unjust. I want these people to be free and happy. Benjamin Franklin once said "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." and i feel thats whats at play here. And for you to condemn this man, for doing no harm to anyone other than himself, contradicts you saying this is the land of the free.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." Government holds no place but to secure people these rights, and I am angry because people are being criminalized for this, and rejected by a society that does not realize what damage they are doing.
BDSM, Emo's, anyone who makes a sport out of fighting, or doing extreme and stupid things, all exhibit traits of enjoying putting themselves at risk or harming themselves, so why make drugs illegal? People fear what they dont understand, it is not as awe-striking, or as glamorous as some other examples, and back to the Benji quote, those that sacrifice liberties from fear for security, deserve neither.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." Government holds no place but to secure people these rights, and I am angry because people are being criminalized for this, and rejected by a society that does not realize what damage they are doing.
BDSM, Emo's, anyone who makes a sport out of fighting, or doing extreme and stupid things, all exhibit traits of enjoying putting themselves at risk or harming themselves, so why make drugs illegal? People fear what they dont understand, it is not as awe-striking, or as glamorous as some other examples, and back to the Benji quote, those that sacrifice liberties from fear for security, deserve neither.
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corps (11/15/2015) [-] If you have any questions about enlisting in the Marine Corps let me know. I am not a Marine and I do not claim to be, I am currently in the delayed entry program This is essentially what you are classified in after you go through MEPS and sign on a contract but haven't yet gone to boot camp. In the DEP, everyone is required to attend several different events throughout the time that you are in, such as PT at least once a week and pool functions once a month. as I have been for quite some time now, and I've pretty much got the rundown of it if you have anything to ask. Although of course, the number one best option would be to talk to a Marine Corps recruiter.
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uhhyeahfmebaby ONLINE (11/15/2015) [-]
I had a marine corps recruiter that hit me up one day while cruising the mall. I've had some run ins with the law that will most likely prevent me from entering, just waiting back on a phone call from him detailing what im going to have to do to be able to have the possibility of entering.
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sgtsmurf (11/14/2015) [-]
Yeah, society has rules that are in place to allow for a civilized and functional society. Yes, this man violated some of these rules. So, does he now deserve to be ostracized forever? How long must he be penalized for his violation before society accepts that he has served his sentence? This man can't even put a roof over his head, or get a decent job, for something he has already been penalized for, yet continues to be penalized regardless. Is the concept of forgiveness foreign? He is aware that his actions were his own and the consequences his burden to bear, which he had done fulfilled. For how much longer does a functional society punish people like him before forgiveness can be achieved? I only know 6 minutes of this man, but it seems to me he has changed, he has learned his lesson. So yeah, he has a criminal past. Keyword is past. Rather than our grand society being filled with people like you who don't know forgiveness, we need to understand that people learn, adapt, change. Give the guy a job, rent him an apartment. Be wary and keep a watchful eye, sure, and if he shows signs of repressing his past them deal with him at that time. Just don't deny the man a chance. !!Give the man a damn chance.!!
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codeboy (11/14/2015) [-] Look, he is not being completely ostracized from society, that's the thing, he just has to try harder now in order to integrate. He said it himself that he can restart his own contracting business and make lots of money where nobody would know that he is a felon, and he said it himself that he doesn't want to because " **** society" due to his situation. THAT is a victim complex.
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sheepnut (11/14/2015) [-]
It's a shame how the title of felon or excon can destroy a person's hope to ever reintegrate into society because so few people will ever give them a chance. I find it hard to believe an overwhelming majority of Americans are Christians when it seems like no one has the capacity to forgive.
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procrasturbate (11/14/2015) [-] As someone staying in a shelter, there's tons of these people. Everyone has a story. Guys getting out of prison, people down on luck, mentally disabled men, physically disabled men, deadbeats. You can walk up and sit down with somebody and have a pretty nice conversation. Or watch grown men act like children. Either way, something to do.
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anon (11/14/2015) [-] For all you people saying "wow, this homeless dude is cool, i wish i could help him" Their are organizations out their that give free food to anyone that asks, like Food Not Bombs.
foodnotbombs.net/new_site/
They give out free vegan food to anyone that asks. Now i know a lot of you hate vegans and **** but most of them arnt vegans themselves, they just take the food grocoerie stores and **** throw out or are about to throw out and cook it up and give it to people. They cant really do that with old meat because, you know, its old ******* meat, **** will make you sick.
Chances are if you live in a city their is a food not bombs working their, and if theirs not YOU CAN START ONE YOURSELVES.
Do you know how good a loaf of homemade banana bread tastes after you haven't eaten anything in like 4 days? Its ******* delicious, and you can make it and help people who need to eat. Just look up where you live and see if theirs a food not bombs active in your area.
foodnotbombs.net/new_site/
They give out free vegan food to anyone that asks. Now i know a lot of you hate vegans and **** but most of them arnt vegans themselves, they just take the food grocoerie stores and **** throw out or are about to throw out and cook it up and give it to people. They cant really do that with old meat because, you know, its old ******* meat, **** will make you sick.
Chances are if you live in a city their is a food not bombs working their, and if theirs not YOU CAN START ONE YOURSELVES.
Do you know how good a loaf of homemade banana bread tastes after you haven't eaten anything in like 4 days? Its ******* delicious, and you can make it and help people who need to eat. Just look up where you live and see if theirs a food not bombs active in your area.
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kegget (11/14/2015) [-] I always go out to get drunk and once I'm a tiny bit tipsy I start speaking to homeless men. I'm from a working-class background but my boyfriend came from an upper-class family so he can be really snobby, he hates me talking to homeless people.
I never have much money on me so I'll wrap up a chunk a rolling tobacco and give them some papers usually. Their conversations are always so insightful too, they always have something interesting to say. I suffer from social awkwardness but there's never a moment of awkward silence with them.
They're some of the nicest, most respecting men i've met. I'll go sit down next to a homeless man, while we have these crazy conversations they always look me in the eyes. I'll always give them a hug or something before saying good by (human contact is a need too) then i'll go to a nightclub and have some idiots trying to grab and grind on me.
The only bad homeless person i've met wasn't actually homeless, he just claimed to be. He asked me for money, i said i didn't have any (i really didn't) and he told me **** off.
I never have much money on me so I'll wrap up a chunk a rolling tobacco and give them some papers usually. Their conversations are always so insightful too, they always have something interesting to say. I suffer from social awkwardness but there's never a moment of awkward silence with them.
They're some of the nicest, most respecting men i've met. I'll go sit down next to a homeless man, while we have these crazy conversations they always look me in the eyes. I'll always give them a hug or something before saying good by (human contact is a need too) then i'll go to a nightclub and have some idiots trying to grab and grind on me.
The only bad homeless person i've met wasn't actually homeless, he just claimed to be. He asked me for money, i said i didn't have any (i really didn't) and he told me **** off.
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wisedragon (11/14/2015) [-]
Why aren't the homeless people in my neighborhood like this guy? The homeless people here in Southern California are all completely mental, constantly walking down streets screaming about how America is run evil jews or trashing public property for no real reason. I don't know, maybe it's the culture here? Can anyone else in Southern California confirm or explain? I'd give this guy a $10 and a good conversation though.
