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#46 - allamericandude (07/29/2014) [-]
US health care is a complicated issue. It's expensive due to inelastic demand, but that isn't the whole story.    
   
Contrary to popular belief, the US does have socialized health care systems--Medicare and Medicaid. The US government spends more money on these than any other program, including the military. But they are bloated and inefficient, and they don't cover all Americans. They've created a vicious cycle where prices increase, so the government spends more money, which causes prices to rise again due to economics (supply and demand, etc.). These high prices go on to hurt the other Americans who only have private insurance. Now that Medicare and Medicaid are running out of money, because they are unsustainable, the government is trying to limit the money they pay out to doctors--who have responded by simply refusing to accept Medicare and Medicaid as insurance, leaving poor/older patients in the cold, and creating the crisis we have today.   
   
These issues are being compounded by the half-assed Affordable Care Act, which is why it is being criticized by both the smart left and the moderate right. (The far right is criticizing it simply because Obama, which unfortunately detracts from any genuine debate. And the mainstream left would never criticize it because doing so would be "racist".)   
   
My opinion is that if we want universal health care, it should be implemented at a state level rather than a federal level. Since the US is so large, state governments are much more responsive to local needs than the feds, and should therefore be more efficient. Vermont actually started doing this in 2011, and it seems to be going alright so far.   
   
*deploying 			**************		 kitty*
US health care is a complicated issue. It's expensive due to inelastic demand, but that isn't the whole story.

Contrary to popular belief, the US does have socialized health care systems--Medicare and Medicaid. The US government spends more money on these than any other program, including the military. But they are bloated and inefficient, and they don't cover all Americans. They've created a vicious cycle where prices increase, so the government spends more money, which causes prices to rise again due to economics (supply and demand, etc.). These high prices go on to hurt the other Americans who only have private insurance. Now that Medicare and Medicaid are running out of money, because they are unsustainable, the government is trying to limit the money they pay out to doctors--who have responded by simply refusing to accept Medicare and Medicaid as insurance, leaving poor/older patients in the cold, and creating the crisis we have today.

These issues are being compounded by the half-assed Affordable Care Act, which is why it is being criticized by both the smart left and the moderate right. (The far right is criticizing it simply because Obama, which unfortunately detracts from any genuine debate. And the mainstream left would never criticize it because doing so would be "racist".)

My opinion is that if we want universal health care, it should be implemented at a state level rather than a federal level. Since the US is so large, state governments are much more responsive to local needs than the feds, and should therefore be more efficient. Vermont actually started doing this in 2011, and it seems to be going alright so far.

*deploying ************** kitty*
User avatar #102 to #46 - stupro (07/30/2014) [-]
USA is spending more on medical care than on military?

While you're an allamericandude and me being just a poor eurofag, that somehow doesn't seem right.
#103 to #102 - allamericandude (07/30/2014) [-]
I know it's hard to believe, but look it up.
#104 to #103 - stupro (07/30/2014) [-]
Nuh-uh,this is the true pie chart.
#114 to #102 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
Furthermore, Even though We have a huge military budget a large portion of that is welfare for soldiers anyway.
#139 to #114 - jdizzleoffthehizzl (07/30/2014) [-]
lol yes I was on welfare when i was deployed
User avatar #115 to #46 - hazmathank (07/30/2014) [-]
>state level
my favorite two words
User avatar #121 to #46 - jehk (07/30/2014) [-]
Large part of the huge costs of American healthcare is because of the government's lack of ability to bargain with corporations and whatnot that produce...everything for the hospital. In other countries the costs are able to remain lower because their governments are able to bargain and control the market to an almost monopsonistic level. In other words, a market as capitalist as America's (not saying capitalism is bad, I quite enjoy it) can't have cheap healthcare without government intervention.
User avatar #134 to #46 - blare (07/30/2014) [-]
State run? This is exactly what the United States fought AGAINST. Your thinking is confederate level and leaving the corrupt political states to manage something so large as healthcare will cause the entire system founded on medical aid to crumble. Millions will die, and no one will be able to afford it.
#135 to #46 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
As a future health economist, I really enjoy having these types of conversations with people who seem knowledgeable on the subject. However I am not sure by what you mean in claiming that high US prices are caused by inelastic demand. Sure, I will agree with the statement that health care is in itself a good which tends to be inelastic, but why then do we see such dramatically higher prices in the US? Are Americans really less responsive to price hikes as compared to their European counterparts? The fact that Americans consume much less care on average makes me suspect that they are at least somewhat responsive and have reduced their amount of care consumed. I'm sure you know as well as I the main culprit behind our ballooned prices - healthcare inflation . There are a lot of factors enabling this, but I personally believe that the lack of transparency between providers and patients in obtaining costs is the biggest factor. Check out Stephen Brills "A Bitter Pill" for a better pic.
User avatar #148 to #135 - allamericandude (07/30/2014) [-]
Oh I agree that inflation is the main cause of these problems. And that inflation is caused by the large amounts of government subsidies that only help part of the market. Those subsidies are also contributing to the "inelasticity" of the health care market by not allowing the market to adjust to real consumer demand. The government acts like an endless money fountain--it will pay any ridiculous price, because it gets its money for free from taxes and has no accountability. Regular people, of course, don't have this luxury, yet they have to face the same high prices caused by the government. A rough analogy would be like if you were bidding on eBay, and some other bidder kept outbidding you over and over, but you desperately needed the item so you couldn't just stop.

The same thing happened with the housing market back in the 2000's. The government dumped tons of subsidies into the housing market, creating a bubble which the banks thought would be a good idea to invest in. The bubble popped, the banks crashed, and the economy went down with it. We are also seeing it in college education. Partial government subsidies (which, full disclosure, I am a benefactor of) are creating a price bubble which is hurting students who don't qualify for government assistance.
#152 to #148 - rankus (07/30/2014) [-]
I disagree on the cause of inflation (spot on about the housing bubble tho, though low interest rates and bad loans due to poor regulation were also huge contributors.) Subsidies in-and-of-themselves carry deadweight loss/ inefficiency, im with you on that one. I think we're looking at this from two different sides - I see problems more on the supply side while you look to demand. I don't agree that America's problem is inflated demand, we aren't demanding that much, I see it as a lack of competition due to poor transparency. Just try to a get a hard number on the cost of a certain operation - its damn near impossible. Regional differences in the costs of an operation are so absurd that most times the price presented bears no semblance to the cost of actually providing the good. Providers has gotten incredibly cozy in this easy environment and are living the high life, and real reforms are going to have to break this up.

I share a belief with economist Uwe Rienhardt that to combat this the insurance industry will move in the direction of reference pricing in the coming years. CalPERs used this to great benefit in the past couple of years, achieving significant cost savings (17% if i remember correctly) with no found losses in quality. It helps to finally expose the insulated insurance holder to the cost of the good and voilà, they actually will shop around at competing hospitals before proceeding with an operation. Find the efficient firm and purchase from them!

Another big problem is the oddity that our employers are the ones usually paying for our insurance. Sorry to keep spamming his name, but Uwe explains it best. economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/the-culprit-behind-high-u-s-health-care-prices/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
#151 to #135 - rankus (07/30/2014) [-]
Oops wasnt logged in. =)

Also- I want to address your point about Medicare and Medicaid raising costs for those with private insurance. Your right to a degree I suppose, but the brunt of such increases are not due to increases in Medicaid/Medicare but rather the opposite. Like you've said the government has been cutting back in its payments to providers (Obamacare actually increases the reimbursement rate for primary care doctors for Medicaid, which is must needed imo) and in doing so it has forced providers to offset the costs onto private insurance companies. Im pretty sure everyone can agree this is less than ideal.

-Im glad you mentioned Vermont (Bernie Sanders for president, best ******* senator) and their attempt at singlepayer. It will be pretty interesting to see how theirs plays out, I know it was loosely modeled after the Taiwanese system which was a huge success (check out "Sick around the world" by Frontline, its got an interview with William Hsiao, a bigshot health economist who designed Taiwan's system and also helped the RBRVS system for medicare physician reimbursement, among other things. Its one of my favorite programs). I remember concerns expressed by Uwe Reinhardt that Vermont not be able to control volume, but other than that I think most are optimistic about their ambitious undertaking. Personally I would rather go with a more model similar to the health savings accounts proposed by Milton Friedman, but I am eager to see the results nonetheless.

#137 to #46 - jdizzleoffthehizzl (07/30/2014) [-]
**** a ********* you hit this ********** on the jackpot my ***** , you deserve your thumbs
User avatar #93 to #46 - durkadurka (07/30/2014) [-]
You have a reasoned, well thought ought explanation here. I like it.
#70 to #46 - strigt ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
Obama's FW the Affordable Care Act fiasco calmed down.   
   
But yes, your comment is good and I agree.
Obama's FW the Affordable Care Act fiasco calmed down.

But yes, your comment is good and I agree.
User avatar #59 to #46 - bothemastaofall (07/29/2014) [-]
and in your one comment I have learned more than dozens of conversations with others trying to discern what's so bad about it.
#73 to #59 - preacherQ (07/30/2014) [-]
Meh, he makes good points all around. Obama's bill is ****** on all fronts, but I figure the real reason we don't have nice healthcare? We can't afford it. Its not that we don't allocate enough money for it. We literally couldn't afford it. Its not that other countries are more generous with their healthcare or that they are better run, (which they might be, hell if I know), the problem is, like OP notes, the actual medical bills are 3-4 times higher in the US. Now, this is important. That's not the after healthcare cost, that's the initial, what the hospital wants charge. Other governments can afford good healthcare and America can't because our whole medical system is ******* inflated.

tldr: America doesn't have free heathcare because hospitals here are stupdily expensive, not the other way around.
User avatar #79 to #73 - allamericandude (07/30/2014) [-]
Oh we can easily afford it, even if prices remained this high. Money itself isn't the issue. We're the richest country on the planet. Our government spends nearly a trillion dollars on Medicare and Medicaid per year--about $300,000 for every US citizen, even though not every citizen is covered by these programs.

The real issue is that our government doesn't know how to spend its money properly, nor does it seem to care.
User avatar #150 to #79 - preacherQ (07/30/2014) [-]
Meh, inefficiency is part of life and money. Yeah, our healthcare systems are almost comically messed up, but you can't tell me it wouldn't work better if it only had to cover 1/4 to 1/5 the cost?
User avatar #82 - fyaq (07/30/2014) [-]
Then why don't people do it?

Oh wait

because armchair activism isn't based in real life.
#92 to #82 - wolfeye (07/30/2014) [-]
This applies to sooooo much **** people on this site (and the internet in general) spout.
#5 - ThekidsTEN (07/29/2014) [-]
He must not have insurance. Cost me $273.46 when I had surgery on my vocal cords and had my tonsils removed.
User avatar #19 to #5 - jackledead (07/29/2014) [-]
Nobody can afford good insurance. I haven't had insurance for five years. I'm 18 years old. I hear the same **** from my friends all the time.
#20 to #19 - kulamia (07/29/2014) [-]
>18 years old   
>5 years without insurance   
   
Well I for one started a good career when I was 12 so I guess you just don't have the experience required to land a good position.
>18 years old
>5 years without insurance

Well I for one started a good career when I was 12 so I guess you just don't have the experience required to land a good position.
User avatar #22 to #20 - jackledead (07/29/2014) [-]
Well, it's kind a thing where parents pay for their children's insurance in America. There's even programs where the government can help, but we just can't afford it. Even my dad has been going without insurance but now obamacare is forcing him to choose a plan and it's going to wreck our finances.
#23 to #22 - kulamia (07/29/2014) [-]
Well it was a problem before when people would just say "i have insurance so I'll go get X done" rather than "I have insurance, but I will look for the cheapest place to go", the problem was made worse by people who knew about medical problems but would hide them then suddenly later on they need their insurer to fork over lots of money to help them(real insurance fraud, a sad side affect of that was people who had their plans revoked because of suspected insurance fraud).

Then Obama Care comes along and says "everyone, no matter what their medical condition, has health insurance! Now rates are inflated beyond their already high prices, and the same problems from before exist but are worse, and the government takes more money, and medical insurers are in a better position to make profit from people's need.

I like the other one where if your employment was prosperous enough, your employer offered you some insurance. If you didn't have it, then you bought some. my girlfriend is in her early 20s and bought her own plan which she pays for everything up to like $2,500 after which point the insurer covers. So regular check up or CAT scan she pays for, dire surgery, chemo therapy, reconstructive surgery is paid for. You're 18, you have the freedom to make sure you will stay healthy.
#25 to #23 - kulamia (07/29/2014) [-]
Just saying, I was agreeing with you on Obama Care, not dissing you or disagreeing.
#33 to #5 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
>implying paying §273 is okay
necessary surgeries should be free
#34 to #33 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
i mean $273, § is obviously not a currency
#60 to #34 - mudkipzFTW (07/29/2014) [-]
he might be a sim
User avatar #83 to #34 - thisisbait (07/30/2014) [-]
273 simoleons is a days pay with the military career in sims 1 ***** .
User avatar #86 to #33 - wimwam (07/30/2014) [-]
By that logic, food and shelter should be free too. Everything costs something.
User avatar #85 to #33 - lumpymandude (07/30/2014) [-]
**** off anon
#39 to #5 - Lacuna (07/29/2014) [-]
I had a tumor removed from my throat 2 years ago. If I didn't get it removed It would have grown and suffocated me, and I would have died. All I had to pay for was a £14 prescription of diazepam ( Valium if you are in the US ). I got 50 tablets.
User avatar #29 - adrianking (07/29/2014) [-]
I guess you're not allowed to eat during these two years.
User avatar #57 to #29 - bothemastaofall (07/29/2014) [-]
Lets assume it's less than the cost of a second hip replacement?
User avatar #30 to #29 - windson (07/29/2014) [-]
As opposed to not eating in the USA?
User avatar #31 to #30 - adrianking (07/29/2014) [-]
I'm just saying it might be worth factoring the cost of food into the cost of living in Madrid.

Unless food is free in Spain. And given how perfect Europe is, I shouldn't be surprised.
User avatar #37 to #31 - norrisblade (07/29/2014) [-]
The point is getting a hip replacement in Spain is cheaper than it is in the U.S.
User avatar #38 to #37 - norrisblade (07/29/2014) [-]
He was just ading in more **** to emphasize how much cheaper it was.
User avatar #32 to #31 - windson (07/29/2014) [-]

Maybe he can order food from american fast food to remind him of home.
#99 - spleed (07/30/2014) [-]
I'm really tired of seeing this, guys.
#64 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
Then why don't you, you 			*******		 little prick
Then why don't you, you ******* little prick
#71 to #64 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
The point is that health care in the united states is expensive. Not that he is capable of learning spanish and getting his hip replaced.
#75 to #71 - mugenchamploo (07/30/2014) [-]
No, anon. What anon means is OP should get the 			****		 out of our country.   
OP has been identified
No, anon. What anon means is OP should get the **** out of our country.
OP has been identified
User avatar #95 to #75 - turtletroll (07/30/2014) [-]
Point out a problem and want to fix it because you think it will improve the country.

I didn't know caring about the well being of the country was such a bad thing
#81 to #75 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
This country is **** , nobody is here by choice anymore...
User avatar #88 to #81 - mugenchamploo (07/30/2014) [-]
You can GTFO if you want to. Thats ludicrous
User avatar #84 to #64 - wimwam (07/30/2014) [-]
This. OMG iphones in Germany cost 3x what they do in the US! Why not live in the US?!
Each country has benefits and drawbacks
#3 - guylongname (07/29/2014) [-]
MFW United "sates"
#4 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
This is the one thing that puzzles me beyond believe. How? How could healthcare in america be so much more expensive then Europe?

Costs are between 5x to 10x of the same care. Why are you accepting this? You are being horribly ripped off. On what should be a basic human right, you are charged for profit margins in the excess of 1000%.
User avatar #18 to #4 - lean (07/29/2014) [-]
There are few laws/ rules setting the guidelines for what each procedure should cost, and certainly is a whole lot of grey area as to most efficient way of treating patients. Team that up with doctors more or less unionizing to charge their own private fees- and you get a mess.
Insurance companies standardize many procedures, and the best ones review each case with their own panel of doctors. The fact of the matter is that private insurance for healthy individuals is the cheapest way of paying for healthcare- mandating coverage (obamacare) caused thus far approximately 35% increase across the board for healthcare coverage- and the people are not given subsidies. It will fail because no one can afford it.
#118 to #4 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
One reason among many is we have millions of undocumented immigrants who go in for care and run away from the bills. healthcare used to be affordable until the influx of illegals who leech off the system and force others to pay for them. The doctors need to be paid for their extremely specific services, yet they do a great deal of medical treatments for no money at all because they simply can't track them down to bill them.

Contrary to popular belief a hospital will not leave you to die in the emergency room just because you have no insurance, they will save your life, make sure your okay and well enough to leave.
#129 to #4 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
Cause people with health insurance doesn't get those kind of charges.
#144 to #4 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
The scary thing about this thread is all the stupid answers. Esp the imigrant one.. wow just wow America...
#6 to #4 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
It's because insurance. They inflate prices so insurance doesn't make them broke.

User avatar #17 to #6 - lean (07/29/2014) [-]
That's not what they do at all.
User avatar #44 to #4 - butwhynot (07/29/2014) [-]
My understanding is that it has a lot to do with the negotiating position of the public. In most European countries healthcare is organized collectively. This means that the government / semi public government agencies set out orders for anything medical. For example synthetic hips. Then companies can bid at what price they are willing to deliver them and whoever can make the best hips for the most reasonable price gets to supply the entire order.

In american on the other hand these things are done privately. Now if you really need a hip, all the bargaining power is with the producer of the synthetic hip as well as with the hospital. Then since both the hospital and the producer are driven by profit in America prices can be set basically at any point they want. If you have a choice between dying or living with a severe disability or forking over cash you are going to pay. Insurance companies have some pushback power but for the most part their influence is to splintered to really do anything about it.

Another issue is costs and overhead for American hospitals. Lawsuits for example. But also Nurses are paid a lot better in the states than in most European counties where nurses generaly make **** all.

But don't quote me on anything, I'm not an expert.
#51 - BwainPhreeze (07/29/2014) [-]
'Murica FW
User avatar #138 - tehlulzbringer (07/30/2014) [-]
good job! now take into account the fact that your insurance plan will leave you paying just a few hundred dollars. he didn't take that cost of food, entertainment, and other living expenses into account. and i love how he makes it sound like it would be his choice to stay for two years waiting for those hip replacements performed by amateur doctors

how about you pick up a book once in your lifetime or do your own research instead of spending your day reading cracked's "7 shocking, totally ******** facts we pulled out of our asses for you to tell your friends"
#146 to #138 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
He's being facetious... Not seriously proposing a good idea. His aim is to highlight how crappy American healthcare is..

I mean c'mon.. You cant be
#149 to #138 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
Amatuer doctors... Is that what you really think?

What do you know of spain? Seriously, what do you know?

Do you know that you're better off in your health care system?

Convince us.
#52 - baddrawer (07/29/2014) [-]
My mate in the bull run
its scary fun
User avatar #35 - fuzzyballs (07/29/2014) [-]
he's oversimplifying this crap
you have more expenses than just rent
User avatar #41 to #35 - PubLandlord (07/29/2014) [-]
yeah because that's what we take from this message, the fact that op didn't include food and utility bills

Not that the country with the largest economy in the world, world leader in education and sciences and a first world leader can't afford to give even a basic affordable level of healthcare to their citizens.

But wait , you have a strong military, spending more than the next 8 countries combined. Because that's really useful for everyone.

pgpf.org/Chart-Archive/0053_defense-comparison

#55 to #41 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
"Not that the country with the largest economy in the world, world leader in education and sciences and a first world leader"

Had a good laugh with that one
User avatar #42 to #41 - fuzzyballs (07/29/2014) [-]
I'm not sure if Belgium has such a strong militairy

good job buddy, blindly assuming stuff is for dumb cunts
#45 to #42 - iscrewbabies (07/29/2014) [-]
Let's just all admit that American government is a bunch of idiots, and they can't resist making idiotic decisions.
User avatar #47 to #45 - fuzzyballs (07/29/2014) [-]
I dunno man, that's just a generalisation
sure, when you an American citizen on the news, they try to use big words and go "um" every two words so they sound like idiots, but they're not all like that

#48 to #47 - iscrewbabies (07/29/2014) [-]
Not all, that is true.
Most of the American government is a bunch of idiots, but there are some fantastic people there. Want to know what the problem is though? The voices of those fantastic people in the government are silenced by the other idiots, because if good people took care of America, the idiots would no longer earn a lot of money. That's just my view on this though, and I'm not even American. I could be completely wrong here, I don't deny that.
User avatar #53 to #48 - fuzzyballs (07/29/2014) [-]
I wouldn't know, I don't even care about local politics, why would I look into foreign politics?
and if you're trying to convert me, I couldn't care less
#54 to #53 - iscrewbabies (07/29/2014) [-]
.... convert you? The **** are you talking about?
Sorry, I didn't realize you were high.
User avatar #56 to #54 - fuzzyballs (07/29/2014) [-]
I couldn't think of a better word, and it's 1.15 am
give me a break
#58 to #56 - iscrewbabies (07/29/2014) [-]
It's 2:18 am here, and I've also consumed plenty of alcohol.
If I got no excuse for being confusing/stupid/crazy or whatever, then you definitely don't have none.
User avatar #61 to #58 - fuzzyballs (07/29/2014) [-]
you got me there
#62 to #61 - iscrewbabies (07/29/2014) [-]
Damn straight I do.
Anyways, It's getting late, so I need some sleep. You too, I presume.
Was fun talking though. Good night!
User avatar #43 to #42 - PubLandlord (07/29/2014) [-]
Belgium ?
User avatar #101 - warriormonk (07/30/2014) [-]
You want to know why. Here goes:

Reason 1: Current income tax rate in Spain around 54% (imagine having 54% of you pay check go to the government). All that money is going to pay for subsidized programs such as healthcare.

Reason 2: The US does a poor job of protecting its doctors and hospitals from stupid law suits. Resulting in high legal costs for both doctors and hospitals. I cant speak about current market costs but around 10 years ago a private practicing doctor's malpractice insurance cost about $55,000 a year. (Imagine a hospital now a days im sure your talking millions) You wont see that in spain, if you have a complaint good luck going to the government for a claim.

Reason 3: Health insurance not being used as designed. Many companies offer coverage for regular check-ups and routine care. NOT what insurance was designed to do. It is for emergencies and for high cost operations. The primary reason this effects the cost of the market is simple. PAPERWORK! on both ends, insurance companies and the hospitals. Who do you think takes the claims? files the paperwork? manages the electronic data for tax purposes? It means hospitals need to hire more people than they really need. added costs in the system.

So dont give me this **** . the US has the leading heathcare in the world. Foreign leaders fly in American doctors and American medicine because of the competitive system we had. You take away the competition, by introducing government and you lose the quality of service.
User avatar #123 to #101 - jehk (07/30/2014) [-]
I would love to see the way that you ranked healthcare systems, kind of hard to believe someone who provides no reasoning nor sources.
User avatar #107 to #101 - pebar (07/30/2014) [-]
In the US total taxes are around 50% if you add them all up.
It's just the US system is insanely bureaucratic, inefficient, and corrupt.
User avatar #110 to #107 - warriormonk (07/30/2014) [-]
Sorry not close. Top tier tax bracket for the US I believe 42% for those making about 500,000 a year (not 100% on that). Then you distribute it down as you drop in tiers and if you ONLY include those actually paying taxes and not living off the system it averages to about 32% + or - about 3% depending on the model and numbers you use. But anyways, plus you have to take into account the crazy amount of deductions the US offers. A lot of other counties dont offer that you pay what you pay. period.
User avatar #113 to #110 - pebar (07/30/2014) [-]
also sin taxes on things like cigarettes or alcohol if you're into such things
as well as taxes on other specific goods like gasoline
User avatar #112 to #110 - pebar (07/30/2014) [-]
income tax
social security tax
business's side of social security tax (paid by the worker)
medicare tax
business's side of medicare tax (paid by the work)
corporate taxes (you can't tax buildings, only people pay taxes)
state sales tax
county sales tax
local sales tax
property taxes
import taxes

Americans pay a **** ton in taxes...
User avatar #119 to #112 - chopsofpork (07/30/2014) [-]
I think some research group came up with the average american paying 42-45% in taxes, keep in mind that is lumping all the states together. You'd be taxed higher in Massachusetts or California than in Texas or another state with no state income tax.
#120 - mynameisgeorge (07/30/2014) [-]
>Gives government subsidized price for Europe
>Doesn't give government subsidized or private insurance prices for America

Also "Hurr it's super easy to learn a language by immersion"

This guys's a cunt
OP's a cunt
Anyone who buys this ******** is a cunt
I'm a cunt
You're a cunt

**** you
User avatar #127 to #120 - metajunky (07/30/2014) [-]
Here a cunt
There a cunt
Everywhere a cunt cunt
Old McDonald had a farm
E-I-E-I-O
User avatar #140 to #120 - tehlulzbringer (07/30/2014) [-]
i learned english in less than a year when i was 11 years old
User avatar #122 to #120 - Silver Quantum (07/30/2014) [-]
"Hurr it's super easy to learn a language by immersion"

it is
User avatar #124 to #122 - mynameisgeorge (07/30/2014) [-]
Cool, I wish someone would tell all the Koreans, Guatemalans, Chinese, Colombians, and Slavs that have to communicate through grunts and hand motions how easy it is. It would make my job a lot easier
User avatar #126 to #124 - Silver Quantum (07/30/2014) [-]
in the U.S all those people live in communities where they don't have the need to learn the language. in europe you don't have such communities, or at least not nearly as many as in the U.S. and also, if 2 years is not enough for you to learn spanish fluently enough for you to be able to communicate without using hand gestures, then i'm afraid learning a foreign language is the least of your problems
User avatar #128 to #126 - mynameisgeorge (07/30/2014) [-]
Only in big cities do you have homogeneous groupings like that. Most places have people of any ethnic background you can think of all living in one place, in the 2nd generation everyone speaks English with their own respective accents, because they were brought up in a home that only speaks one language, after the 3rd generation, people from every background have the regional accent.

And I'm referring to the content in this case, the point is, you have to learn the language fast if you have a medical condition. You won't learn enough by immersion to tell the doctors you need to be treated for osteoporosis just by hanging out with the locals
#49 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
you couldn't "literally" do this because you're not a Spanish citizen. Spanish citizens pay for their healthcare through taxes. which allows for collective bargaining, something still missing in american healthcare with the exceptions of medicare and medicaid If you're not a Spanish citizen, they're not going to ******* treat you. I get that he's trying to demonstrate how out of control US healthcare is, and he's right about that, just be careful with that word 'literally'.
User avatar #72 to #49 - preacherQ (07/30/2014) [-]
Lol. Nah bro. He's not saying that healthcare has it down that low. It literally just costs that much out of pocket. America's problem isn't the healthcare; its the inflated medical costs.
User avatar #16 - lean (07/29/2014) [-]
It would cost me $3,000 out of pocket, then I get a $1,500 reimbursement benefit, plus secondary coverage of $1,000 per surgery, $500 per diem, disability, and paid leave. I would probably make money. Something like 80% of private sector full time jobs have employee benefits. That's why the solution to healthcare isn't forcing it down people's throats, it is increasing the job market and increasing opportunity for education and employment.
yearly premiums of $1,700, up from $1,260 a year ago. thanks Obamacare
#12 - heartlessrobot (07/29/2014) [-]
And then die of infection because the spanish doctor dropped his beans into your open surgery.
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You get what you pay for ***** . That's life, and it's not gonna change.
User avatar #154 to #12 - notnewaccount (07/30/2014) [-]
Spaniard medics are proffesionals, not savages who would eat in an operation room (I don't know why they would eat beans, btw) or use contaminated supplies.
User avatar #21 to #12 - aherorising (07/29/2014) [-]
look at comment #13, stupid
#28 to #12 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
implying spain is mexico
implying that you know what your talking about
#14 to #12 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
Bait.
#15 to #14 - heartlessrobot (07/29/2014) [-]
Wow, so we're at a point in time where stating the painfully obvious is considered bait? Oh wait, you're an anon, nothing you say matters.
Wow, so we're at a point in time where stating the painfully obvious is considered bait? Oh wait, you're an anon, nothing you say matters.
#76 to #15 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
stop embarrassing yourself you ******* moron
User avatar #74 to #12 - adrilazzaro (07/30/2014) [-]
godammit you're dumb
User avatar #100 to #74 - heartlessrobot (07/30/2014) [-]
So, you don't get what you pay for? You pay less and receive better treatment but if you pay more you get **** treatment? Haha, no. Welcome to reality. You pay less, you get less.
User avatar #116 to #100 - notnewaccount (07/30/2014) [-]
Paying less can just mean that is cheaper, not worse.
User avatar #133 to #100 - ugottanked (07/30/2014) [-]
Very narrow-minded way to see things, just because it is cheaper, does not mean it will be worse.

I mean, its not like there are trained professional doctors in spain, no no, that would be ridiculous.
#159 to #100 - anon (08/05/2014) [-]
no americans are just assholes who charge more for the same work
#80 - icecreambobby (07/30/2014) [-]
Meanwhile in England
#155 to #80 - icecreambobby (07/30/2014) [-]
In England, you can barely find a hospital that hasn't been turned into a block of flats
#105 to #80 - zukunft (07/30/2014) [-]
Can you see a specialist the same day?
#106 to #105 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
you'd be lucky if you saw one the same year
#145 to #105 - anon (07/30/2014) [-]
If you're urgent yes, it you're insured yes, if you're poor..... well atleast you will eventually get help.
#78 - economicfreedom (07/30/2014) [-]
So go to Spain you ******* faggot......

If you want prices to come down, it takes people going out and shopping for the best prices. This encourages competition and creates incentives to lower prices. People using insurance for everything destroys the market. Lasik eye surgery isn't covered by insurance and its prices has been going down.
User avatar #96 to #78 - demandsgayversion (07/30/2014) [-]
He did go shopping for the best prices.

He found them in Spain.
#36 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
I will never, never ever understand how such a advanced country like the USA cannot have a proper health service for EVERYONE, that is affordable. I cannot comprehend this ******** .
#66 to #36 - anon (07/29/2014) [-]
because giving free health care to 300 million people is expensive. europe's population is slightly above twice that.
#67 to #36 - pxthreezerothree (07/29/2014) [-]
Lots of reasons:

A) History is fight against us. Employer backed health insurance is so ingrained in our society that even talk of separating is viewed as extremely problematic, for moderate Americans or outright catastrophic, for more radical leaning segements.

B) The sheer size of both our population and our country. Very few countries have to deal with the logistics of big brother administering healthcare to so many people over so wide an area. We have the third largest population and fourth largest area, countries with comparable populations over comparable area don't do nearly as well as the US.

C) Our government isn't considered trustworthy or efficient enough to handle it. Whether it is true or not, the government doesn't hold a strong opinion in many Americans minds when it comes to social welfare programs.
User avatar #77 to #36 - preacherQ (07/30/2014) [-]
Dude, its because of what OP said. We can't have the government pay for medical costs here because even the GOVERNMENT can't afford our medical bills. Our system is stupidly inflated right now. OP doesn't say with healthcare it costs that much in Spain, it just actually only costs that much and THEN they also get healthcare. In addition. **** be ****** .
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