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#46 - allamericandude
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US health care is a complicated issue. It's expensive due to inelastic demand, but that isn't the whole story.    
   
Contrary to popular belief, the US does have socialized health care systems--Medicare and Medicaid. The US government spends more money on these than any other program, including the military. But they are bloated and inefficient, and they don't cover all Americans. They've created a vicious cycle where prices increase, so the government spends more money, which causes prices to rise again due to economics (supply and demand, etc.). These high prices go on to hurt the other Americans who only have private insurance. Now that Medicare and Medicaid are running out of money, because they are unsustainable, the government is trying to limit the money they pay out to doctors--who have responded by simply refusing to accept Medicare and Medicaid as insurance, leaving poor/older patients in the cold, and creating the crisis we have today.   
   
These issues are being compounded by the half-assed Affordable Care Act, which is why it is being criticized by both the smart left and the moderate right. (The far right is criticizing it simply because Obama, which unfortunately detracts from any genuine debate. And the mainstream left would never criticize it because doing so would be "racist".)   
   
My opinion is that if we want universal health care, it should be implemented at a state level rather than a federal level. Since the US is so large, state governments are much more responsive to local needs than the feds, and should therefore be more efficient. Vermont actually started doing this in 2011, and it seems to be going alright so far.   
   
*deploying ************** kitty*
US health care is a complicated issue. It's expensive due to inelastic demand, but that isn't the whole story.

Contrary to popular belief, the US does have socialized health care systems--Medicare and Medicaid. The US government spends more money on these than any other program, including the military. But they are bloated and inefficient, and they don't cover all Americans. They've created a vicious cycle where prices increase, so the government spends more money, which causes prices to rise again due to economics (supply and demand, etc.). These high prices go on to hurt the other Americans who only have private insurance. Now that Medicare and Medicaid are running out of money, because they are unsustainable, the government is trying to limit the money they pay out to doctors--who have responded by simply refusing to accept Medicare and Medicaid as insurance, leaving poor/older patients in the cold, and creating the crisis we have today.

These issues are being compounded by the half-assed Affordable Care Act, which is why it is being criticized by both the smart left and the moderate right. (The far right is criticizing it simply because Obama, which unfortunately detracts from any genuine debate. And the mainstream left would never criticize it because doing so would be "racist".)

My opinion is that if we want universal health care, it should be implemented at a state level rather than a federal level. Since the US is so large, state governments are much more responsive to local needs than the feds, and should therefore be more efficient. Vermont actually started doing this in 2011, and it seems to be going alright so far.

*deploying ************** kitty*
User avatar #102 to #46 - stupro
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USA is spending more on medical care than on military?

While you're an allamericandude and me being just a poor eurofag, that somehow doesn't seem right.
#103 to #102 - allamericandude
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I know it's hard to believe, but look it up.
#104 to #103 - stupro
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Nuh-uh,this is the true pie chart.
#108 to #104 - allamericandude
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#114 to #102 - anon id: 428baa6a
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Furthermore, Even though We have a huge military budget a large portion of that is welfare for soldiers anyway.
#139 to #114 - jdizzleoffthehizzl
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lol yes I was on welfare when i was deployed
User avatar #115 to #46 - hazmathank
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>state level
my favorite two words
User avatar #121 to #46 - jehk
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Large part of the huge costs of American healthcare is because of the government's lack of ability to bargain with corporations and whatnot that produce...everything for the hospital. In other countries the costs are able to remain lower because their governments are able to bargain and control the market to an almost monopsonistic level. In other words, a market as capitalist as America's (not saying capitalism is bad, I quite enjoy it) can't have cheap healthcare without government intervention.
User avatar #134 to #46 - blare
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State run? This is exactly what the United States fought AGAINST. Your thinking is confederate level and leaving the corrupt political states to manage something so large as healthcare will cause the entire system founded on medical aid to crumble. Millions will die, and no one will be able to afford it.
#135 to #46 - anon id: 5407a6f6
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As a future health economist, I really enjoy having these types of conversations with people who seem knowledgeable on the subject. However I am not sure by what you mean in claiming that high US prices are caused by inelastic demand. Sure, I will agree with the statement that health care is in itself a good which tends to be inelastic, but why then do we see such dramatically higher prices in the US? Are Americans really less responsive to price hikes as compared to their European counterparts? The fact that Americans consume much less care on average makes me suspect that they are at least somewhat responsive and have reduced their amount of care consumed. I'm sure you know as well as I the main culprit behind our ballooned prices - healthcare inflation . There are a lot of factors enabling this, but I personally believe that the lack of transparency between providers and patients in obtaining costs is the biggest factor. Check out Stephen Brills "A Bitter Pill" for a better pic.
User avatar #148 to #135 - allamericandude
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Oh I agree that inflation is the main cause of these problems. And that inflation is caused by the large amounts of government subsidies that only help part of the market. Those subsidies are also contributing to the "inelasticity" of the health care market by not allowing the market to adjust to real consumer demand. The government acts like an endless money fountain--it will pay any ridiculous price, because it gets its money for free from taxes and has no accountability. Regular people, of course, don't have this luxury, yet they have to face the same high prices caused by the government. A rough analogy would be like if you were bidding on eBay, and some other bidder kept outbidding you over and over, but you desperately needed the item so you couldn't just stop.

The same thing happened with the housing market back in the 2000's. The government dumped tons of subsidies into the housing market, creating a bubble which the banks thought would be a good idea to invest in. The bubble popped, the banks crashed, and the economy went down with it. We are also seeing it in college education. Partial government subsidies (which, full disclosure, I am a benefactor of) are creating a price bubble which is hurting students who don't qualify for government assistance.
#152 to #148 - rankus
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I disagree on the cause of inflation (spot on about the housing bubble tho, though low interest rates and bad loans due to poor regulation were also huge contributors.) Subsidies in-and-of-themselves carry deadweight loss/ inefficiency, im with you on that one. I think we're looking at this from two different sides - I see problems more on the supply side while you look to demand. I don't agree that America's problem is inflated demand, we aren't demanding that much, I see it as a lack of competition due to poor transparency. Just try to a get a hard number on the cost of a certain operation - its damn near impossible. Regional differences in the costs of an operation are so absurd that most times the price presented bears no semblance to the cost of actually providing the good. Providers has gotten incredibly cozy in this easy environment and are living the high life, and real reforms are going to have to break this up.

I share a belief with economist Uwe Rienhardt that to combat this the insurance industry will move in the direction of reference pricing in the coming years. CalPERs used this to great benefit in the past couple of years, achieving significant cost savings (17% if i remember correctly) with no found losses in quality. It helps to finally expose the insulated insurance holder to the cost of the good and voilà, they actually will shop around at competing hospitals before proceeding with an operation. Find the efficient firm and purchase from them!

Another big problem is the oddity that our employers are the ones usually paying for our insurance. Sorry to keep spamming his name, but Uwe explains it best. economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/the-culprit-behind-high-u-s-health-care-prices/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
#151 to #135 - rankus
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Oops wasnt logged in. =)

Also- I want to address your point about Medicare and Medicaid raising costs for those with private insurance. Your right to a degree I suppose, but the brunt of such increases are not due to increases in Medicaid/Medicare but rather the opposite. Like you've said the government has been cutting back in its payments to providers (Obamacare actually increases the reimbursement rate for primary care doctors for Medicaid, which is must needed imo) and in doing so it has forced providers to offset the costs onto private insurance companies. Im pretty sure everyone can agree this is less than ideal.

-Im glad you mentioned Vermont (Bernie Sanders for president, best ******* senator) and their attempt at singlepayer. It will be pretty interesting to see how theirs plays out, I know it was loosely modeled after the Taiwanese system which was a huge success (check out "Sick around the world" by Frontline, its got an interview with William Hsiao, a bigshot health economist who designed Taiwan's system and also helped the RBRVS system for medicare physician reimbursement, among other things. Its one of my favorite programs). I remember concerns expressed by Uwe Reinhardt that Vermont not be able to control volume, but other than that I think most are optimistic about their ambitious undertaking. Personally I would rather go with a more model similar to the health savings accounts proposed by Milton Friedman, but I am eager to see the results nonetheless.

#137 to #46 - jdizzleoffthehizzl
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**** a ********* you hit this ********** on the jackpot my *****, you deserve your thumbs
User avatar #93 to #46 - durkadurka
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You have a reasoned, well thought ought explanation here. I like it.
#70 to #46 - strigt
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Obama's FW the Affordable Care Act fiasco calmed down.   
   
But yes, your comment is good and I agree.
Obama's FW the Affordable Care Act fiasco calmed down.

But yes, your comment is good and I agree.
User avatar #59 to #46 - bothemastaofall
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and in your one comment I have learned more than dozens of conversations with others trying to discern what's so bad about it.
#73 to #59 - preacherQ
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Meh, he makes good points all around. Obama's bill is ****** on all fronts, but I figure the real reason we don't have nice healthcare? We can't afford it. Its not that we don't allocate enough money for it. We literally couldn't afford it. Its not that other countries are more generous with their healthcare or that they are better run, (which they might be, hell if I know), the problem is, like OP notes, the actual medical bills are 3-4 times higher in the US. Now, this is important. That's not the after healthcare cost, that's the initial, what the hospital wants charge. Other governments can afford good healthcare and America can't because our whole medical system is ******* inflated.

tldr: America doesn't have free heathcare because hospitals here are stupdily expensive, not the other way around.
User avatar #79 to #73 - allamericandude
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Oh we can easily afford it, even if prices remained this high. Money itself isn't the issue. We're the richest country on the planet. Our government spends nearly a trillion dollars on Medicare and Medicaid per year--about $300,000 for every US citizen, even though not every citizen is covered by these programs.

The real issue is that our government doesn't know how to spend its money properly, nor does it seem to care.
User avatar #150 to #79 - preacherQ
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Meh, inefficiency is part of life and money. Yeah, our healthcare systems are almost comically messed up, but you can't tell me it wouldn't work better if it only had to cover 1/4 to 1/5 the cost?
#5 - ThekidsTEN
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He must not have insurance. Cost me $273.46 when I had surgery on my vocal cords and had my tonsils removed.
User avatar #19 to #5 - jackledead
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Nobody can afford good insurance. I haven't had insurance for five years. I'm 18 years old. I hear the same **** from my friends all the time.
#20 to #19 - kulamia
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>18 years old   
>5 years without insurance   
   
Well I for one started a good career when I was 12 so I guess you just don't have the experience required to land a good position.
>18 years old
>5 years without insurance

Well I for one started a good career when I was 12 so I guess you just don't have the experience required to land a good position.
User avatar #22 to #20 - jackledead
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Well, it's kind a thing where parents pay for their children's insurance in America. There's even programs where the government can help, but we just can't afford it. Even my dad has been going without insurance but now obamacare is forcing him to choose a plan and it's going to wreck our finances.
#23 to #22 - kulamia
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Well it was a problem before when people would just say "i have insurance so I'll go get X done" rather than "I have insurance, but I will look for the cheapest place to go", the problem was made worse by people who knew about medical problems but would hide them then suddenly later on they need their insurer to fork over lots of money to help them(real insurance fraud, a sad side affect of that was people who had their plans revoked because of suspected insurance fraud).

Then Obama Care comes along and says "everyone, no matter what their medical condition, has health insurance! Now rates are inflated beyond their already high prices, and the same problems from before exist but are worse, and the government takes more money, and medical insurers are in a better position to make profit from people's need.

I like the other one where if your employment was prosperous enough, your employer offered you some insurance. If you didn't have it, then you bought some. my girlfriend is in her early 20s and bought her own plan which she pays for everything up to like $2,500 after which point the insurer covers. So regular check up or CAT scan she pays for, dire surgery, chemo therapy, reconstructive surgery is paid for. You're 18, you have the freedom to make sure you will stay healthy.
#25 to #23 - kulamia
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Just saying, I was agreeing with you on Obama Care, not dissing you or disagreeing.
#33 to #5 - anon id: 646085a5
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>implying paying §273 is okay
necessary surgeries should be free
User avatar #86 to #33 - wimwam
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By that logic, food and shelter should be free too. Everything costs something.
#34 to #33 - anon id: 646085a5
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i mean $273, § is obviously not a currency
#60 to #34 - mudkipzFTW
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he might be a sim
User avatar #83 to #34 - thisisbait
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273 simoleons is a days pay with the military career in sims 1 *****.
User avatar #85 to #33 - lumpymandude
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**** off anon
#39 to #5 - Lacuna
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I had a tumor removed from my throat 2 years ago. If I didn't get it removed It would have grown and suffocated me, and I would have died. All I had to pay for was a £14 prescription of diazepam ( Valium if you are in the US ). I got 50 tablets.
User avatar #82 - fyaq
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Then why don't people do it?

Oh wait

because armchair activism isn't based in real life.
#92 to #82 - wolfeye
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This applies to sooooo much **** people on this site (and the internet in general) spout.
#10 - anon id: 89c351e5
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American doctors are incredibly well trained and rigorously tested before being allowed to perform operations, and they are worth every penny.
#13 to #10 - anon id: 18f6ba66
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yeah and doctors from japan, spain, germany and the rest of the world are actually just homeless people without any education or training and just decided to show up at a hospital and be doctors
User avatar #111 to #13 - clannadqs
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Well, I agree his comment was retarded on massive proportions, but there is some truth hidden behind it. The US has the best medical research and facilities in the world by a massive margin. So large that it almost dwarfs the next ten nations in comparison. Many times you will hear of rich people getting cancer treated in the US when their own nation has free healthcare. You see, I just made a point to help my case but in turn it helped everyone who backs up free healthcare. Only the rich can afford the upper echelon of treatment in the US.
#141 to #13 - kivelaski
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its not the doctors fault in america, its the hospitals fault. The hospital charges a lot more that what the doctor charges, they just both end up on the same bill.
#69 to #13 - kilik
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And holy ****, guess how much a qualitty operation there costs? You can get a hip replaced for **** money in the U.S. too, but if you want it actually done right its expensive. You get what you pay for, basically
#26 to #10 - anon id: 23b881fb
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cause we all know europe is essentially africa with big buildings.
#89 to #26 - vlademitrius
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User avatar #24 to #10 - odytoboman
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Then why are all American doctors from ******* India?
User avatar #63 to #24 - StewieGGriffin
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He said American, not white
#65 to #24 - anon id: 23b881fb
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nationality doesnt matter in this. and spanish are white.
User avatar #158 to #24 - clannadqs
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You're just going to thumb it down and leave no rebuttal? There's an obvious reason why they moved to the states and it's not even up for debate that the US has the best secondary educational system in the world.
User avatar #157 to #24 - clannadqs
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They might have been born in India, but more than likely they went to medical schools in the US. Hell, a huge amount of decent doctors from European nations study abroad to attend top schools in the US because the US's secondary education is unmatched by the rest of the world.
#3 - guylongname
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MFW United "sates"
User avatar #29 - adrianking
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I guess you're not allowed to eat during these two years.
User avatar #57 to #29 - bothemastaofall
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Lets assume it's less than the cost of a second hip replacement?
User avatar #30 to #29 - windson
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As opposed to not eating in the USA?
User avatar #31 to #30 - adrianking
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I'm just saying it might be worth factoring the cost of food into the cost of living in Madrid.

Unless food is free in Spain. And given how perfect Europe is, I shouldn't be surprised.
User avatar #37 to #31 - norrisblade
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The point is getting a hip replacement in Spain is cheaper than it is in the U.S.
User avatar #38 to #37 - norrisblade
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He was just ading in more **** to emphasize how much cheaper it was.
User avatar #32 to #31 - windson
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Maybe he can order food from american fast food to remind him of home.
#99 - spleed
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I'm really tired of seeing this, guys.
#12 - heartlessrobot
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And then die of infection because the spanish doctor dropped his beans into your open surgery.
knockknockit'sreality.gif (I don't have it and don't feel like looking for it)
You get what you pay for *****. That's life, and it's not gonna change.
#14 to #12 - anon id: 4eb796ab
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Bait.
#15 to #14 - heartlessrobot
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Wow, so we're at a point in time where stating the painfully obvious is considered bait? Oh wait, you're an anon, nothing you say matters.
Wow, so we're at a point in time where stating the painfully obvious is considered bait? Oh wait, you're an anon, nothing you say matters.
#76 to #15 - anon id: 524dd273
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stop embarrassing yourself you ******* moron
#28 to #12 - anon id: 23b881fb
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implying spain is mexico
implying that you know what your talking about
User avatar #154 to #12 - notnewaccount
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Spaniard medics are proffesionals, not savages who would eat in an operation room (I don't know why they would eat beans, btw) or use contaminated supplies.
User avatar #21 to #12 - aherorising
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look at comment #13, stupid
User avatar #74 to #12 - adrilazzaro
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godammit you're dumb
User avatar #100 to #74 - heartlessrobot
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So, you don't get what you pay for? You pay less and receive better treatment but if you pay more you get **** treatment? Haha, no. Welcome to reality. You pay less, you get less.
User avatar #116 to #100 - notnewaccount
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Paying less can just mean that is cheaper, not worse.
User avatar #133 to #100 - ugottanked
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Very narrow-minded way to see things, just because it is cheaper, does not mean it will be worse.

I mean, its not like there are trained professional doctors in spain, no no, that would be ridiculous.
#159 to #100 - anon id: 765986e6
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no americans are just assholes who charge more for the same work
#64 - anon id: e12b6077
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Then why don't you, you ******* little prick
Then why don't you, you ******* little prick
#71 to #64 - anon id: 35bd2402
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The point is that health care in the united states is expensive. Not that he is capable of learning spanish and getting his hip replaced.
#75 to #71 - mugenchamploo
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No, anon. What anon means is OP should get the **** out of our country.   
OP has been identified
No, anon. What anon means is OP should get the **** out of our country.
OP has been identified
User avatar #95 to #75 - turtletroll
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Point out a problem and want to fix it because you think it will improve the country.

I didn't know caring about the well being of the country was such a bad thing
#81 to #75 - anon id: f71b03b7
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This country is ****, nobody is here by choice anymore...
User avatar #88 to #81 - mugenchamploo
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You can GTFO if you want to. Thats ludicrous
User avatar #84 to #64 - wimwam
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This. OMG iphones in Germany cost 3x what they do in the US! Why not live in the US?!
Each country has benefits and drawbacks
User avatar #101 - warriormonk
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You want to know why. Here goes:

Reason 1: Current income tax rate in Spain around 54% (imagine having 54% of you pay check go to the government). All that money is going to pay for subsidized programs such as healthcare.

Reason 2: The US does a poor job of protecting its doctors and hospitals from stupid law suits. Resulting in high legal costs for both doctors and hospitals. I cant speak about current market costs but around 10 years ago a private practicing doctor's malpractice insurance cost about $55,000 a year. (Imagine a hospital now a days im sure your talking millions) You wont see that in spain, if you have a complaint good luck going to the government for a claim.

Reason 3: Health insurance not being used as designed. Many companies offer coverage for regular check-ups and routine care. NOT what insurance was designed to do. It is for emergencies and for high cost operations. The primary reason this effects the cost of the market is simple. PAPERWORK! on both ends, insurance companies and the hospitals. Who do you think takes the claims? files the paperwork? manages the electronic data for tax purposes? It means hospitals need to hire more people than they really need. added costs in the system.

So dont give me this ****. the US has the leading heathcare in the world. Foreign leaders fly in American doctors and American medicine because of the competitive system we had. You take away the competition, by introducing government and you lose the quality of service.
User avatar #123 to #101 - jehk
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I would love to see the way that you ranked healthcare systems, kind of hard to believe someone who provides no reasoning nor sources.
User avatar #107 to #101 - pebar
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In the US total taxes are around 50% if you add them all up.
It's just the US system is insanely bureaucratic, inefficient, and corrupt.
User avatar #110 to #107 - warriormonk
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Sorry not close. Top tier tax bracket for the US I believe 42% for those making about 500,000 a year (not 100% on that). Then you distribute it down as you drop in tiers and if you ONLY include those actually paying taxes and not living off the system it averages to about 32% + or - about 3% depending on the model and numbers you use. But anyways, plus you have to take into account the crazy amount of deductions the US offers. A lot of other counties dont offer that you pay what you pay. period.
User avatar #113 to #110 - pebar
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also sin taxes on things like cigarettes or alcohol if you're into such things
as well as taxes on other specific goods like gasoline
User avatar #112 to #110 - pebar
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income tax
social security tax
business's side of social security tax (paid by the worker)
medicare tax
business's side of medicare tax (paid by the work)
corporate taxes (you can't tax buildings, only people pay taxes)
state sales tax
county sales tax
local sales tax
property taxes
import taxes

Americans pay a **** ton in taxes...
User avatar #119 to #112 - chopsofpork
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I think some research group came up with the average american paying 42-45% in taxes, keep in mind that is lumping all the states together. You'd be taxed higher in Massachusetts or California than in Texas or another state with no state income tax.