To be fair, he meant a processor is not the same as a graphics card.
Yes, both being high quality means your games will look beautiful, but processors handle the load while the card just gussies up the details.
" while the card just gussies up the details." Erh, No. The CPU is the brain, it controls everything but the GPU displays everything / renders everything. So claiming that the CPU handles the load while the GPU just "gussies up the details" is ******** . (Not saying the CPU doesn't work / load).
The CPU is the right side of your brain, it does mathematics and **** like that well. The GPU is the left side of the brain, its artistic and **** .
CPU is better at processing LOTS of code. So a game like arma where its a military sim is very CPU based. While the GPU does polygons well so its better for games where they are trying to be pretty.
intel and amd make "apu" although intel doesn't call it that, but intel has it's own graphic processors on the "cpu" called intel Intel® HD Graphics "XXX" where as the Xs are the model specific variety. you don't not need a gpu in a computer these days. but to game you do because they are laughable as shown.
yeah, its just that these people haven't bought graphics cards for years and assume nvidia is still hotter than amd. it was the case once but thats not even close to being true these days with nvidias maxwell cards
yes, latest AMD cards run a bit hotter, not by much. the whole nvidia runs really hot meme stems from the 5XX series, ******* 3 generations ago. memes, memes never change.
Started on the upper end 4xx series. You could bake a cake in a Fermi machine. 460 was still a ******* boss though. That thing overclocked past 470 in most cases
idk, I'm using an hd7970 and it doesn't go over 62°c when gpu is loaded for ~80%. I think that's not really hot for modern cards, especially if you keep in mind that I haven't cleaned it for a while and it's gotten pretty dusty.
You're right, on the most recent revisions AMD couldn't match nVidia because nVidia's design was much more efficient so to get around this they pumped more power into the cards and ran them closer to their limits to squeeze out as much power as possible. This resulted in some AMD cards using twice the amount of power as their equivalent nVidia, and therefore producing a lot more heat.
Well it's better that she catches fire than a AMD card sets your house on fire. Still waiting for a original GPU related joke, this one is over several card generations old...
call me a paranoid nervous pleb, but getting water near couple hundred dollar computer parts still doesn't sit right with me, no matter how much I read about "if installed correctly, it won't leak." At least when fans break they can't directly damage the graphics card, (unless it catastrophically fails).
I also use the hyper 212 evo, I agree that it is really good. it keeps my i5-3570k which is overclocked to 4.4ghz below 60C. I don't thinks it's that big though, it's actually quite small compared to most aftermarket coolers.
I think you can use mineral oil, it just has a lower thermal capacity than water (and holy **** I wouldn't envy the one cleaning up that dust magnet if you ever spilled...)
If you do it properly and ********************* check that every fitting is properly screwed in, every tube is properly sat on every fitting, and all open ports are plugged in, you can't go wrong... unless you're the extremely unlucky guy that gets a damaged fitting that leaks.
And if you do get spills, there's not much reason to worry. Just let it COMPLETELY dry off before turning it on again (after the leaky components are replaced, of course).
I've had this loop running for almost a year, not a single drop leaked, and still going strong.
Plus at the first time you get everything set up, you do a leak test with only the pump running, and the rest unplugged, so even if it leaks it doesn't short circuit anything. Leave it for a couple of hours or a day, and if it's leak free by then, it's leak free for pretty much ever. Any leaks happening later on without any external damage is extremely rare.
It was actually very improvised because I started my build with no intentions of watercooling. This is what it first looked like, in a different case aswell. I just kinda threw it together in a hurry with whatever components were in stock at the place I bought them.
I do wish I'd done a few things differently to get a better future proof "foundation" to work on, but in the end it's gonna hold up pretty well anyway.
Piecing together a watercooling loop is so much fun as long as everything is going right!
As long as it's a high end Corsair, yes. Their cheaper low end ones, not so much... you have to be lucky to not get coil whine or have it die after a year. I just don't like the cables, they look so ugly on the GPUs, but for everything else they're nice and stealthy.
A nice thing about the RM series is they're so quiet. As long as you get one with a good wattage headroom for your components, so it's always running at low to moderate load, and the fan never spins up even when the CPU and GPU(s) are running at full power.
That and being fully modular makes it so easy to work with.
I beg people not to waste money on a low end PSU. It kills me a little inside when someone tells me they bought the 530W rosewill because "My processor said it takes a 500W system and I needed to be sure" without ever once checking the size/number of 12V rails or what it's continuous output is.
PSA to people on their first system, buy cheap, buy twice on power supplies
"Watercooling thread?"
"Water cooled PC's are the best"
"Yeah bro, water cooled master race"
"WATA COLD"
"Im nervous about putting water in my PC"
"Just use non conductive fluid stupid."
But in all seriousness, I knew about mineral oil but mostly heard bad things about that damaging rubber, so I didn't think to look up other kinds of coolants.
You seem to have a lot of knowledge about stuff you don't know anything about...
One off the things you do before starting the system with the cooling setup is too let the pump run for over an hour with no electricity on the main board.
So even if you got a leak on some computer components you can just wipe it off and fix the leak and you will probably never see a leak again.
You don't use water, it's mineral oil and coolant (you can even use antifreeze I've heard).
You don't just install it and forget about it, you do a leak test with paper towels for 24 hours and if it doesn't leak it's not going to for years. You also have to do upkeep on it like change the liquid and re dye it etc.
In all the enthusiast boards and groups I've been in, I've never seen anyone kill equipment with water cooling.... I have seen someones computer literally catch fire and set someones house on fire (pro tip, it wasn't a amd cpu/nvidia gpu).
But fanboying aside, liquid cooling is great if you're overclocking otherwise it's not needed.
You have to use demineralized water or distilled or purified whatever you wanna call it , because it doesn't lead any current. You can bathe any electrical **** in it and let it dry off and it'll work fine.
You should be more worried having fans that blow huge amounts of dust into your equipment that you'll have to rinse off, which is always a dangerous procedure if you don't use an anti-static bracelet or do it in an anti static environment.
When I had an NVIDIA Graphics card, I was told it was **** .
When I changed my computer (Because old one broke) I get told Intel (Specifically my core i3 one) is ****
Don't even bother saying "go with AMD". Because I know that when I do, people will say AMD is **** .
Nvidia seems to be more stable for me. I pay extra not for name brand, but because everytime i bought amd, it kept crashing and failing and i had to sort through so much **** to get it working, then on top of that amd cards failed more often. Bought 3 nvidia cards, not a single problem. My 980ti runs butter smooth and doesnt go above 60c
my 980 started going to 0% usage in games causing stutters 3 days ago, so there is that. (but it only happens once or twice an hour, but still very annoying)
The trick is realising that no manufacturer is better than the other, it changes at each price point and generation. For the current generation, there was no graphics card (that I could afford) which I really liked. The AMD cards looked nice, but although they beat out the nVidia card at my price point in average fps, they had lower and more frequent frops in fps which can make the game more choppy when you play it. I went for a 970 in the end but that has the 3.5Gb memory bug which had put me off in the past, but then again I will be on 1080p for a good few more years so I won't be needing more than that amount of memory.
Yeah, I think a nice time to upgrade is when you can get a 100% performance increase without spending your life savings, which is what this card was from my 6970 before. 'Luckily' the old GPU was a massive bottleneck and my CPU can keep up with the new card but I think next time I upgrade it'll be closer to a new build than an upgrade.
When I bought my current system it was so that I could keep upgrading it, so I bought an' expensive foundation, making it easier to just change the single components as needed, my next upgrade will need to be the CPU, but I've got an i7 Quad, 3.3Ghz (easily overclocked) so I'm still good for a couple of years.
I have an i5 2500k and it's @4 from 3.3 atm, I looked on the Intel website and they're on gen 6 or something now and mine is a gen 2 yet no game is really giving it any bother at all yet, especially with them getting better with multithreading. I can probably just OC it to 4.5/4.6 when it starts to fall behind too.
You should do a moderate OC straight off the bat as you'll actually reduce the Vcore because it gets set sooo high by the autocalc. Mine is lower than @ stock when it was 3.3.... Obviously PLL and the load settings are higher but the Vcore went down so that's a possible wear reducer.
I would but I have a faulty CPU It gets buggy and refuses to work properly with my RAM, (My CPU is bloomfield (and a LGA1366 socket which isn't produced anymore), so it might also be simply because the model is so old), but as you mentioned yourself, I'll go through the trouble of once more overclocking the CPU and getting my RAM working with it when it starts to fall behind. (That or I upgrade it).
speaking of AMD. I had a hell of a time figuring out why fallout 4 cant recognize the video card. However, I go play WOW with the new drivers and its set to ultra and super smooth. I don't get this **** .
I remember back when the HD 6xxx series were out the drivers were the buggiest things i'd ever used and it took like 3 months to get it straightened out. Haven't bought a new one since then but if it's the same issue expect an update to the beta drivers soon. They usually try to stay on top of it.
No idea there. I guess it's random. I was expecting it to have issues with my Xfire setup, but it plays just fine and hasn't crashed a single time in around 10 hours of gameplay.
The color thing about AMD is definitely true, it's why I always choose AMD over Nvidia if performance is similar. Graphics quality wise, the two are pretty much the same, I would actually give AMD the edge simply due to superior color reproduction. Performance flip-flops though Nvidia tends to have somewhat better performance with their top-tier cards than AMD while AMD often has a better price to performance ratio, they also have different strengths and weaknesses graphically. AMD handles multiple things going on better while Nvidia handles large graphical processes better. Driver wise, I found it about equal in terms of optimization but have had less issues with AMD lately, though I found this flip-flops. Power consumption between the two isn't as drastic as it's made out to be with the newest cards, the TDP is measured differently between AMD and Nvidia. AMD cards do run a little hotter currently. Nvidia was really hot during the GTX 4XX series when they were using the Fermi architecture.
I've been building computers for well over a decade and I always compare them on the same monitors. I make sure the color settings are exactly the same, even done side by side comparisons of two of the exact same monitor with the exact same settings multiple times. I've done this comparison numerous times over the years. ATi/AMD cards have had richer colors than Nvidia for as long as I can remember and Nvidia has always looked a little washed out in comparison.
Both use the same standards for color profiles and bit depth, there's no difference. You could plausibly argue the point if they were using VGA connectors, and one card had a higher quality connector allowing a cleaner analog signal. But for anything digital, it's exactly the same.
If anything, it's just different contrast/gamma/saturation values. Maybe AMD just have their default values tuned a bit differently?
I suspect it could be the output range aswell, and that too depends on the color profile of the monitor, as some of them have their own setting for it independently from the computer. For example my main monitor which is a TN panel was set to full dynamic range by default, and it looks perfect. If set to limited it looks grey and washed out. But my other monitors being VA panels defaulted to limited, and still have perfect contrast, color, and blacks. If I set those to full they look way too dark and oversatured.
But yeah, there's no way that the hardware actually produces "better" colors.
Recently I've been going for nvidia for the sole reason of image quality being higher =/. I bought the r9 290 earlier and the amount of graphical bugs it had were so immense, I had to get rid of it almost immediately. I bought another one with a ref cooler thinking it was just a temperature issue, but it had exactly the same issues.
That is odd you had so many issues with graphical bugs. I've had a few problematic cards from both sides, but there were definitely bad cards floating around in the r9 2xx and 7xxx series. I had a 7970 Ghz edition with bad graphical glitches, found out it's due to low quality video ram, over-voltage, and improper cooling of it. It's not a problem with the graphics chip, just the vram. The issue seems to be fixed in the 3xx series. I haven't had any issues with my Fury X or the 390X. The Fury X doesn't quite have the performance of my 980 TI on current games, but I use it in my main system as I prefer it's color quality. The odd thing about the color thing, some people notice it and others don't.
The problem with AMD is that to get the kind of performance they advertise, you need to overclock it, which makes the pre-existing heating issues they already have even worse. Basically it'd be the same as the Nvidia one but with the sound of a cooling fan in the background.
TRPG stands for Tabletop Role-Playing Game. So in this specific case, it was Stars Without Number. Poor Kroz' got re-drafted into the army near the beginning of the game so I had to switch to my fisticuffs cat as a backup.
This is a picture of her and her buddy, affectionately titled "Struggle Snuggle," by the same person. I find it funny because their relationship was the exact opposite.
But still, it hurts that I can't play my favorites like Fallout 4 and the new Wolfenstein (which I actually preordered only to find out it won't even start)
I have an Radeon HD mobility card on my 5 year old laptop, it worked really well earlier, but it has aged horribly, hope to be able to build a gaming PC within a reasonable amount of time.
haha it's funny to make funn of inferior grafics although moors law will collaps upon itself when quantom computing happens.
Don't go into computing kids, the field is taken and will be overoccupied for generations. if you like building, go into cunstruction or gaame disighn instead.
I'm a little drunk but i promise that i'm telling the honest truth,
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Thats not entirly bad you can eranb you degree and become something else. most employers don't give a **** what you have a degree in so long as you have one.
i have no idea what eranb means.
I have no degrees, i'm an autodidact. Never liked organised education. I've spent nine years learning on my own, i think i'm doing okay.
But then, i have no interest in having a full time employer now. The leader of my current dev team is closer to a friend/partner than a boss.
I've had my high end PC for almost 2 years now and haven't switched out any of the parts since I got it. I know that's one of the main reasons people get desktop PCs, but I don't really stay up to day on new computer parts and all that. It was to my knowledge that "the newest of the new" is always overpriced and doesn't change much.
All I know is, my computer can run all games on ultra+ and when I got Metal Gear Solid 5 I had to peel my pants off the ceiling, it looked so good
Point being, if someone were to upgrade parts, which ones would be upgraded?
To keep up with demand the two major parts are graphics card and cpu. Make sure they cooperate with your motherboard first you can't just slap next gen tech on old parts
which is why I haven't changed out any parts. (also I don't have 10,000 dollars to just dump into my PC) so if I hear Node talking about "the most amazing thing" I'd wait a few months before thinking about buying it, then there's another one. So I just don't buy things.
There's not a giant difference between each card that releases every month but it's still nice to update every 2-3 years. Course if you wait so long everything else will be much faster and you might as well build a new one at that point. I built my second one last year with the best parts I could afford with $2000 and all the parts today would run me 1/4 that. Course I've been able to enjoy everything I throw at it in a silky smooth 60+ fps on ultra for the last year
That's pretty much exactly what I did 2 years ago too. I think mine clocked out at about $1,997 because at the time there was a forth of july sale and they took 400-800 dollars off all big orders, so i added in another 400-800 dollars of stuff hah~
Then I spent the next two years just playing league of legends... also a pretty decent amount of other games, but other than metal gear, none of them really text the graphics, but i like everything in top form.
I'm building my first ever rig. Just went out today on a New Zealand Black Friday sale and bought a 950, gotta save up more for the rest of the computer though.
Can't wait