German Army rules. Who would have thought?. THEV WINK llel] HUMAN . FEW. B. Actually every country that has signed the Geneva Convention has that rule german Army War did you know
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User avatar #52 - tavafanduvill (12/28/2013) [-]
Actually every country that has signed the Geneva Convention has that rule
#118 to #52 - anon (12/28/2013) [-]
Not the US military, we commit war crimes everyday and just call it 'collateral damage' so it's legal. I love my country, but we are doing some bad things.
#187 to #118 - sparkysparkybooman (12/28/2013) [-]
Log in and post this like a man, otherwise it's not even worth the bother of properly replying to you. Troll smarter.
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#299 to #256 - anon (12/28/2013) [-]
#339 to #299 - intenso (12/28/2013) [-]
...waht?
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User avatar #58 to #52 - brobafett (12/28/2013) [-]
SHHHHHH, then OP's would have no point and eurocunts wouldn't be able to call warcrimes on amerifats.
#84 to #58 - mistafishy (12/28/2013) [-]
I saw that...
User avatar #189 to #112 - brobafett (12/28/2013) [-]
>Implying I'm not Texan
User avatar #100 to #58 - jarredzz (12/28/2013) [-]
the amerifats already know eurocunts will still continue to bitch .
#135 to #100 - anon (12/28/2013) [-]
Jealous europoor detected
User avatar #157 to #135 - novembersky **User deleted account** (12/28/2013) [-]
He was siding with the Americans, you ******* dunce.
#13 - anon (12/27/2013) [-]
idk it might be because of like the cold war or the vietnam war
#3 - akho (12/27/2013) [-]
For you see, he who has done evil will learn from himself - he will overcome himself and from ashes rises a new man -a Supermensch. It is in defeat where he is victorious.
A man that is surpassed by no others, a man who is target of his own prophesy.
#172 to #3 - mitchr (12/28/2013) [-]
Good damn reference, there.
#311 to #3 - gerfox (12/28/2013) [-]
Wise words.

"it is in defeat he is victorious" reminded me of Bane; "Peace has cost you your strength, victory has defeated you"
User avatar #96 to #3 - ipartywithpedobear (12/28/2013) [-]
tell that to the US gov't/ army
User avatar #59 to #3 - dupu (12/28/2013) [-]
Übermensch*, not Supermensch. But green thumb for the excellent Nietzsche reference
#28 - anon (12/27/2013) [-]
In the US, we are also obligated to disobey any illegal order. An illegal order being one that violates human rights or the constitution of the US to which we swear an oath.

That does not however mean, that is how it works in practice, as we've seen in recent years with things like Abu Ghraib. I recommend reading about the Milgram Experiment. It helps to understand how people get drawn into violating their own principles when challenged to by authority, and understanding that psychological influence can help resist it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_Experiment
#30 to #28 - anon (12/27/2013) [-]
In B4 the Europeans jump on this post as an excuse to start spewing their fathomless, insensate hatred of America, it's government, military, and all it's people.
#323 to #30 - anon (12/28/2013) [-]
*newsflash* the whole world hates us and the biggest problem is guys like you who are like 'hey don't hate us you ******* ********** ******** , but we can hate you though'
#265 to #30 - intenso (12/28/2013) [-]
I hate america, its government, and its people.

I aint even european [/spoiler[spoiler] Unless canada is europea
#6 - tobloi (12/27/2013) [-]
As a general rule in any militant law you can disobey an order if the outcome of the order could mean death on a large scale of innocent people, it's hard to tell which orders are going to have that outcome without hindsight
User avatar #5 - therealtjthemedic (12/27/2013) [-]
What if they disobey that?
#160 to #5 - novembersky **User deleted account** (12/28/2013) [-]
Being allowed to do something isn't an order.
#320 to #160 - anon (12/28/2013) [-]
Being obliged is an order
User avatar #321 to #320 - novembersky **User deleted account** (12/28/2013) [-]
Oh.
My bad, then.
User avatar #336 to #5 - daskull (12/28/2013) [-]
They would risk being charged with war crimes, and have to stand before an international court in genova
User avatar #17 to #5 - biomedic (12/27/2013) [-]
A black hole opens and consume them where they stand.
#174 to #17 - mitchr (12/28/2013) [-]
The Balrog consumes them.
The Balrog consumes them.
#212 to #174 - bettercaulsaul (12/28/2013) [-]
Why is that a gif
Why is that a gif
User avatar #340 to #212 - mitchr (12/28/2013) [-]
Hell if I know. I took the best picture I found with a quick Google search.
newforomador, that's why. Google Images. So yeah.
User avatar #226 to #212 - newforomador (12/28/2013) [-]
He probably got it from 4chan. Sometimes plain photos will be in a .gif format because they're enlargeable on that site.
#43 - TARDIS (12/28/2013) [-]
Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes
#220 - Imabur (12/28/2013) [-]
after that whole 'nazi' thing, i feel like it was kind of mandatory for them to make this rule...
#159 - firefaux (12/28/2013) [-]
here is a list of all the reasons you are wrong.   
1. This applies to the entire German Armed Forces   
2. They are FREE to disobey any order they may find unethical, immoral, or that compromises the terms and agreements made during the Third and Fourth Geneva Convention (a.k.a. Grave Breaches)   
3. This also applies to the other 194 countries and armies belonging to said countries that also ratified its treaties.   
   
This is stressed more in Germany however because of the fact that Germany has no military court, so they could possibly be charged with murder during a firefight because the court does not subtly acknowledge the fact of war and it would take money and time to fully explain it to the judge, so it's stressed to save the hassle.
here is a list of all the reasons you are wrong.
1. This applies to the entire German Armed Forces
2. They are FREE to disobey any order they may find unethical, immoral, or that compromises the terms and agreements made during the Third and Fourth Geneva Convention (a.k.a. Grave Breaches)
3. This also applies to the other 194 countries and armies belonging to said countries that also ratified its treaties.

This is stressed more in Germany however because of the fact that Germany has no military court, so they could possibly be charged with murder during a firefight because the court does not subtly acknowledge the fact of war and it would take money and time to fully explain it to the judge, so it's stressed to save the hassle.
#190 to #159 - takaneuva (12/28/2013) [-]
That gif is the stuff of nightmares my friend
#204 - fyaq (12/28/2013) [-]
Its part of the geneva convention.

I'm sure the armchair activists here don't even know what that is.
User avatar #211 to #204 - ihawk (12/28/2013) [-]
I'm somewhat familiar with it... it's pretty much the rules of war
User avatar #235 to #211 - sketchE ONLINE (12/28/2013) [-]
part of them theres also the hague convention that is important
User avatar #236 to #204 - sketchE ONLINE (12/28/2013) [-]
is that annie crossed with squidward
User avatar #241 to #236 - ljxjlos (12/28/2013) [-]
I´m afraid that it is.
User avatar #249 to #241 - sketchE ONLINE (12/28/2013) [-]
alrighty then
#250 to #249 - ljxjlos (12/28/2013) [-]
Those are the days when you wake up, see something on the computer and decide to just go to bed for another 48-72 hours hoping that the world will be better then.
User avatar #335 to #204 - fukkendragonite (12/28/2013) [-]
While you are right and OP is wrong in this case, I think you do the general population of this site a great misjustice by claiming they don't know what the Geneva Convention is. I'm sure at least 90% know something about it.
User avatar #64 - useroftheLOLZ (12/28/2013) [-]
Uh, most modern militarizes have similar rules of engagement. In the USA, in every branch, if your commanding officer issues an order, that you believe to be cruel, or inhumane, due to the circumstances of the situation, you are able to belay that order, and report to the next commanding officer, AKA the boss of your boss. There, they will judge it. And depending on what happens, your CO may be reprimanded, or you may be just sent on your merry way. Or, if you know that there is something seriously wrong about the situation, you may continue up the chain of command, but it becomes increasingly more difficult to get someone to listen to your story. So, in truth, OP's post sucks because only back water, butt ******* , insane countries have rules of engagement like this. Prime example being Best Korea, or Soviet Russia during WW2.
#246 - MountRushmore (12/28/2013) [-]
The only reason why Germany has that rule is because their constitution prohibits war out of agression. Meaning they can only defend their land. That rule would most likely change when if they go to war and you would probably not hear about it.
#106 - nicobenp (12/28/2013) [-]
What if they disobey that order?
User avatar #110 to #106 - albertjester ONLINE (12/28/2013) [-]
high command would nazi a legitimate reason for it.
User avatar #202 - thesoulless (12/28/2013) [-]
>few, if any

Except, you know, any country that is bound by the Geneva Convention almost all of them , as well as any country that is bound by the laws of war all of them .
#214 to #202 - anon (12/28/2013) [-]
as if any country obeys those rules all the time
User avatar #230 to #214 - konradkurze (12/28/2013) [-]
usa seems to love breaking the rules of war
their whole strategy is: how much can we get away with
User avatar #238 to #230 - sketchE ONLINE (12/28/2013) [-]
enlighten us if you will
User avatar #248 to #240 - sketchE ONLINE (12/28/2013) [-]
i had to turn it off because all he was saying is uneducated **** . im sorry but the moment someone goes on about 9/11 being the cause of us going into iraq they clearly prove they have no idea what they are talking about. that was never nomething put put by the government it was uneducated people who started making that corillation. i have served with people who fought at the beginning of the war. ive served with people who have a screw loose and were waiting for a reason to shoot someone and they have never mentionioned anything about this.

unrtunately i dont have the patience to watch an hour long video however many documentaries that try and blame US soldiers for killing thousands of civilians fail to mention that most deaths in Iraq on either side is done by other iraqis.

its kind of odd how everyone seems to forget were not the only ones over there. germany and britain were in iraq with us. you think either of them would be ok with americans mowing down entire markets worth of iraqi citizens? you think that no one in another country would say something about that?
User avatar #251 to #248 - konradkurze (12/28/2013) [-]
well not everyone in usa looked into the details of going to war, they just kept up with blind patriotism and learned the truth the hard way when in combat

yeah, there you admit a modest number of american soldiers have screws loose, so supporting my point of them trying to see how much they can get away with...

most of the suicide bombers are either funded by the CIA to promote violence and give usa 'reasons' to stay occupying the conquered regions, or are average arab people who have suffered from the invaders attacks so much they lose it and bomb as both their way to die at the same time striking back at the aggressors

i still remember one incident back in the first couple years of the war.....a perfectly sane and reasonable arab girl, top in her class at law school, got news her brother was shot by us troops as a suspected terrorist, she flipped out and became a suicide bomber out of grief
the more people usa and friends kill the more theyre just destroying the livlihoods of the arabs

plus usa has been given orders, that if a lone gunman starts firing on their troops, it doesnt matter if theres civilians around, just shoot THROUGH them to get the gunman, and they mark off the dead civvies as 'collaborators' for not doing their part to stop the gunman
User avatar #252 to #251 - sketchE ONLINE (12/28/2013) [-]
i would like evidence on your third point.

and on the last point police have looser rules than that sometimes. ive been given a scenario where a cop is allowed to shoot an unarmed person who hasnt said a word to them
User avatar #254 to #252 - konradkurze (12/28/2013) [-]
well its been proven that osama was trained and funded by the CIA, and so too was one of osama's right hand men

you think theyre the ONLY guys the CIA was involved with?

but yeah, the american cops are like cowboys...gotta do the quickdraw
User avatar #257 to #254 - sketchE ONLINE (12/28/2013) [-]
osama was moujahadin which the cia did support but thats afghanistan and that was a goal to keep russia out
User avatar #260 to #257 - konradkurze (12/28/2013) [-]
dont you think its suspicious that the 'terrorists' kept popping up in country after country and giving usa a reason to invade each....so far leaving just iran and syria on the list
User avatar #351 to #260 - sketchE ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
its not like they kept popping up. saddam was a known dictator and we went after him. the shiite and suni rivalry has been going on for centuries.
User avatar #352 to #351 - konradkurze (12/29/2013) [-]
yeah but the 'war on terror' just kept hopping from country to country, the only reason usa hasnt invaded iran or syria yet is more people waking up to whats going on and not supporting the neverending war
User avatar #354 to #352 - sketchE ONLINE (12/30/2013) [-]
please distinguish the american people from the current administration. very few who are informed support what they are doing on any regard
User avatar #355 to #354 - konradkurze (12/30/2013) [-]
fine
not american people but the governments of George W Hitler's and Barack Stalin's regimes, and the assholes in congress

still, the people do have to assume guilt for supporting the *******
User avatar #357 to #355 - sketchE ONLINE (12/30/2013) [-]
theres a ood quote by someone about those full of doubt talking and those full of confidence not. basicly in the US we have atrocious voter turn out. 30% of eligable voters actually show up to elect congressmen and only 60% show up to elect the resident. the problem in the US isnt supporting the wrong people its outright apathy.

everything is fine for us so we dont care about the rest. which in itself isnt correct since the US gives the most foreign aid of any country. we dont always do the right thing but we do it with the best of intentions and then do our best to help the world
User avatar #358 to #357 - konradkurze (12/30/2013) [-]
well aside from voting meaning nothing anyway, the voted are turned out however those in power want them to appear, but yeah the people on the street dont care

makes me think of something my russian friend said about elections in russia.....people there mostly dont vote but either way after every election the people always end up bitching the last guy was better

usa gives foreign aid of what, $63 million over a ton of 3rd world countries, i think worked out to $50 per persona year in the 3rd world....while at the same time giving 63 million to israel, which works out to $10,000 a year per person (but didnt obama raise that so israel gets more now?)

kinda unbalanced there....
User avatar #215 to #214 - thesoulless (12/28/2013) [-]
Have you ever heard of a country without criminals?
#181 - cobrafan (12/28/2013) [-]
American military personnel are not allowed to follow any order that defies the constitution, which is why they can't say, "I was just following orders," in court.
User avatar #188 to #181 - stealingbikes (12/28/2013) [-]
Bingo.

Also, as previously mentioned, the Geneva Convention and LOAC (Law of Armed Conflict)
#229 - alexanderthefunny (12/28/2013) [-]
The obligation to disobey an order which violates human dignity is a choice that people with morality make, regardless of what army they are a part of.
User avatar #286 to #229 - megayoming (12/28/2013) [-]
Difference is they don't get punished for it right of the bat
Many armies would put the soldier down in a instant no trail
#193 - Soviet Savior (12/28/2013) [-]
Obviously this is a newer rule...
User avatar #200 to #193 - exclamation (12/28/2013) [-]
Based on the Nuremburg trials, yeah.
#207 to #193 - oxYKellark (12/28/2013) [-]
That dudes an officer, he gives the orders lol.
User avatar #208 to #207 - Soviet Savior (12/28/2013) [-]
is an officer not a soldier or in the army?
User avatar #218 to #208 - falloutfanatic (12/28/2013) [-]
Militarizes work of a system of hierarchy with orders coming down from higher up. Not every person in the army is an officer, there are also NCO or your basic combat person.
User avatar #210 to #208 - oxYKellark (12/28/2013) [-]
"he gives the orders"
Dude what.
User avatar #349 to #210 - Soviet Savior (12/29/2013) [-]
An officer wears the uniform and risks his life on the battlefield, officers are soldiers.
User avatar #350 to #349 - oxYKellark (12/29/2013) [-]
Yes no **** but i don't see how that has to do with anything I'm saying.
User avatar #209 to #208 - mrspookygunship (12/28/2013) [-]
Depends if his superior is there...
#183 - slumberdonkey (12/28/2013) [-]
...that's something that humans are supposed to do...
...that's something that humans are supposed to do...
#155 - iamphoenix (12/28/2013) [-]
They kinda have an uncomfortable past with that, you see.
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