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Free Anakata Free Brokep!. Peter Sunde was arrested today in a police raid in southern Sweden. The Pirate Bay co-founder was wanted by Interpol as he had yet to

Peter Sunde was arrested today in a police raid in southern Sweden. The Pirate Bay co-founder was wanted by Interpol as he had yet to serve prison time for his involvement with the site. Sunde's arrest comes exactly eight years after the police raided the Pirate Bay servers, which marked the start of the criminal prosecution against the site's founders.

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User avatar #1 - anonimperiumreturn (07/12/2014) [-]
vegan candy?
#2 to #1 - acivcrusader (07/12/2014) [-]
I think he means nothing based on milk... so no chocolate with milk to him,
User avatar #3 to #1 - screamingdemon (07/12/2014) [-]
Some candy is basicallt made out of pig fat. So I guess he doesn't want that.
#141 to #1 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
let's only send meat
User avatar #5 to #1 - greendaynimrod (07/12/2014) [-]
like cocks except worse
User avatar #6 - bakinboy (07/12/2014) [-]
theyre only in prison for 8 months. sweden doesnt really give a **** , they just did it because of pressure from the U.S.
User avatar #55 to #6 - zenherp (07/13/2014) [-]
aren't they fined like 48 million?
User avatar #214 to #6 - superfungi [OP](07/14/2014) [-]
You try doing 8 months of prison
#45 to #6 - sylaz (07/13/2014) [-]
Wrong, Gottfried(the one with the beard) is imprisoned in Denmark, cause he hacked most of our social security numbers and leaked them.
If he is found guilty, he will get a 6 year sentence.

User avatar #49 to #45 - soundofwinter ONLINE (07/13/2014) [-]
Why'd he do it
#52 to #49 - cyberkite (07/13/2014) [-]
Because our system is **** , but kinda funny he got found out, while proving our security is **** , he did not secure himself good enough
#217 to #49 - anon (07/14/2014) [-]
Not only that, but he has an possible upcoming trial with Sweden on two counts of cyber security breaches and subsequent fraud. Though it seems like they might not actually charge him with it due to some reason or another.

Peter has only ever been charged with TPB related activity.
#75 - itscometothis (07/13/2014) [-]
They deserve to be put in prison. They've been given 1000 options to get out of it but they keep declining. It doesn't matter what they SAY the site is for, what matters is what it's ACTUALLY used for. Full disclosure, I pirate everything and love it. Still, legally speaking, there is no supporting them.
#125 to #75 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
You are the final tier on the skill tree to retardation.
#84 to #75 - makotoitou (07/13/2014) [-]
"I like piracy and do it, but i think the people that enable my piracy should be put in jail"
#243 to #84 - itscometothis (07/14/2014) [-]
I also smoke cigarettes (and have done so for 5 years), but I don't agree to their use and would like to seem them globally banned. I'm ready for you're rage.
#185 to #84 - indianajoe (07/13/2014) [-]
In a way he has a point. By being a pirate, you use the things created by other people without supporting them.

Why should you show any support for anyone who works to do this? They chose their life, they knew the possible consequences. I'm not going to stand outside in the rain and protest for anyone's release. I'll just move on to the next pirate site.

It sounds harsh and hypocritical. But it's just as hypocritical to show support for the hard work of pirates. It goes against you're sense of morality, but the world isn't fair. Dog-eat-dog, every man for himself, etc, etc.
#245 to #185 - itscometothis (07/14/2014) [-]
And remember, they are only going to prison because they refuse to take the site down.
#244 to #185 - itscometothis (07/14/2014) [-]
There is nothing hypocritical about it. I'm not saying people who use torrents should go to prison. But it's hard to make a case for those who make it possible to do so in the first place. Do I pirate? Yes. Do I host a pirating site? No. So, yeah. In my mind, two different things.
#4 - sinery (07/12/2014) [-]
Don't let their sacrifice be in vain.
Don't let their sacrifice be in vain.
#30 to #4 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
User avatar #7 - lamarsmithgot (07/12/2014) [-]
They can rot in prison for all I care, that beard is a ******* travesty.
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#10 to #7 - fuckyouto ONLINE (07/13/2014) [-]
You are a piece of **** .
User avatar #11 to #10 - lamarsmithgot (07/13/2014) [-]
Hey man, i'm not the one with the ******* mongoloid beard.
#121 to #11 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
But you are the one with the mental capacity of a slice of bread.
What have you contributed to the internet aside from wasting bandwidth?
Get intense bodyloveed.
User avatar #133 to #121 - lamarsmithgot (07/13/2014) [-]
I contribute the truth, son.

If nobody else wants to say it, then I will. That beard is an absolute intense bodyloveing disgrace.

I'll stay on this sinking ship till I drown. I'll say it again. That is the WORST monstrosity of a beard I have ever laid eyes on. I hope they force feed it to him in prison.
#204 to #133 - fuckyouto ONLINE (07/13/2014) [-]
That beard is more famous than anything you and you're digestive end productty family has ever done on this planet.

That's also including you're mothers 99 man gang bang video on the internet.
#229 to #204 - lamarsmithgot (07/14/2014) [-]
LOL I really don't know why everybody is so butthurt.

I see a repulsive beard. I call it out. Calm you're tits.

Did I insult you personally? Do you jerk off to pics of his beard or something?
#258 to #229 - fuckyouto ONLINE (07/14/2014) [-]
Yes, I jerk off to beards. -60 is actually impressive. Good job man!
User avatar #192 to #10 - oaaaa (07/13/2014) [-]
its funny how you and the guy above you are right. you both deserver a thumb
User avatar #12 - slapchoppin (07/13/2014) [-]
why should i support criminals

if you break the law you deserve the punishment that is dealt out for it
#13 to #12 - spceinvdr (07/13/2014) [-]

holy **** you guys. Internet "piracy" isn't even really stealing. It's copying. It's literally just a copy. And you know what? most of the time it's too god-damned expensive in the first place to buy the game I know absolutely nothing about, so I pirate it and try it out. Usually when you pirate a game only like half of it works, it crashes all the time, and requires all sorts of weird **** to get it stable. And even then, usually you don't even get to play online because it's been pirated. So it's not even getting the full game. If its good,l'll actually pay for it and delete the copy.

Also a study about internet piracy and music piracy was done, and it was proven that it actually helps the economy rather than harms it.
If that one is not enough heres another
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If you believe those blowhard's ******** for one second your high. The entertainment industry is in full swing. In fact, theyve almost tired themselves out. They're killing themselves with all these ****** remakes that are forced out of every orifice of their being as far as movies. The music is constantly being "remastered" "re-released" "remixed" and whatever, when in reality is they make a shiny new cover for it, **** with the track, or max out the levels on the eq to "remaster the sound". As i said with games before, they usually don't work right when pirated, and if it's good I'll buy it.

So thats movies, games, and music covered. I pirated all sorts of games, but I buy others through steam from the same developers. Did Pink Floyd albums,i have their keychain, I had at least 5 different t shirts, buttons, etc. I also pirated gorillaz stuff, but have alot of their merch too.

#50 to #13 - cyberkite (07/13/2014) [-]
your still breaking the law, because we have something called copyright, which gives you promition to copy said thing, if you don't have the right and you copy, you are breaking the law.
#104 to #13 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
The "I'm not stealing, I'm copying!" argument is weak as hell.

Do you now have a product you did not pay for? Will the developers of the product get any money? They may not have "lost" the product, but they have lost revenue and profit that they would get if the product was bought legally.

Selling the game means selling a copy of the game for money. You are getting a copy of the game for free and depriving developers of money. Ergo, you are stealing.

Get over it and be honest with you'reself.
User avatar #234 to #104 - spceinvdr (07/14/2014) [-]
no they havent because if i pirated it it means I didnt have the money to buy it. The argument that pirating=negative dollars is weak too. Do you think all the people who pirate it do it to be edgy? Or do you think it's because it's too expensive/ they can't afford it. And again, when you pirate the game most of the time it doesnt work quite right, so your not even getting the real thing. Usually if it's good enough people will buy thte real deal instead of using a broken copy. smh
#81 to #13 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
Also, don't forget, when Rolling Stone magasine did some research into piracy, they found that music piracy HELPED the artists and record companies. A lot of the piracy wouldn't have resulted in a purchase either way, and if the pirate likes the music, he is likely to buy it.
User avatar #235 to #81 - spceinvdr (07/14/2014) [-]
THIS finally someone gets it thats what I was saying. everyone has their panties in a wad because they don't get that a pirated copy=/= lost revenue. It's not like I stole a gallon of milk from the grocery store. That milk is still there available for legitimate sales. It's not like poof the milk is gone, usually you just get a copy of the milk but it's only like 3/4 full.
User avatar #53 to #13 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
>it's not stealing, it's copying

That's stupid. You are still getting their product without paying for it. That's stealing. You did not pay yet you still took it anyways.
User avatar #56 to #53 - derivat (07/13/2014) [-]
Its not stealing, because you dont take something away from someone, you onlky copy it
User avatar #57 to #56 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
Answer these.
a) Do you have the product?
b) Did you pay for it?
User avatar #58 to #57 - derivat (07/13/2014) [-]

But the difference is, if I steal something, the original owner loses it , but if I pirate something, the owner still possesses it and can sell it to other people im not saying piracy isnt a crime tho
User avatar #60 to #58 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
Yes, but they can't sell it to you because you already have the product. You have obtained their product in a way that was unauthorized or illegal. Stealing isn't just lifting it from a store. It's different means, but leads to the same end. Imagine if everyone pirated it? They would have no one to sell it to, but everyone would have it.
User avatar #61 to #60 - derivat (07/13/2014) [-]
I understand you're point
User avatar #62 to #61 - derivat (07/13/2014) [-]
User avatar #64 to #62 - derivat (07/13/2014) [-]
#82 to #60 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
Actually, they can still sell it to you. A fair number of pirates buy the product if they like it after trying it out. Personally, if I am considering buying a game, I will often pirate it first to try it. If I like the game, and can afford it, I will buy it.
User avatar #189 to #82 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
Yes, but I'm talking about those who don't.
User avatar #237 to #189 - spceinvdr (07/14/2014) [-]
Usually if they pirate they couldn't afford the real thing anyway. If you've ever pirated agme you'll find it usually isn't as good as the real deal, doesn't have updates, is glitchy, and w/e. It's like playing a beta version of the game. Except you wouldn't know that.
User avatar #111 to #82 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
ok well your not gonna use
"A fair number of people buy it after they pirate "
in the court of law
User avatar #110 to #58 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
intense bodyloveING IDIOT
User avatar #137 to #110 - derivat (07/13/2014) [-]
u wot m80? help me my big tittied mommy im scared
User avatar #15 to #14 - spceinvdr (07/13/2014) [-]
User avatar #16 to #15 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
"Piracy isn't really stealing"... That's how.
User avatar #17 to #16 - spceinvdr (07/13/2014) [-]
it's barely stealing and even then as I will re-iterate now most of the times

1. the game you pirate doesn't work right, and if it's good ill buy it
2. The industry isn't being hurt rather than being helped by piracy
3. The music industry benefits from piracy because usually people who pirate dont just pirate the music, they will usually buy over priced merchandise, go to concerts, venues, etc.

Even if I'm wrong about the stealing thing, it's not as bad as everyone thinks it is, and even then these guys only hosted the website and never even really pirated anything (as far as we know).

Ill accept my red toes if thats what i get, but piracy is blown way out of proportion.
User avatar #18 to #17 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
I'll use the game F.E.A.R. 2 as an example here.
The developer of F.E.A.R. is Monolith Games, who received funding from the Publishing company Warner Bro Games, who then also published it. When the game is released, it becomes the "Intellectual property" of both the developer, Monolith, and the publisher, WB Games.
When a person pirates the game, they are illegally gaining possession to the intellectual property of somebody else.
Theft- A criminal act in which property belonging to another is taken without that person's consent.

No matter which way you want to spin it, Piracy is theft, and distribution, or aiding in the distribution of stolen property is against the law.
User avatar #20 to #18 - spceinvdr (07/13/2014) [-]
Even if it is" technically" a crime, and it's "stealing someone's intellectual property", do you really think it's acceptable to be fined up to 50,000 dollars per SONG you pirate, that it's acceptable for these men to go to jail for only hosting a website, for the crime to be so overdramaticized and painted in a picture that is completely opposite of the reality because people want to try and make as much money as possible, and count a pirated -insert here- as a loss? that just doesn't make sense. So yeah, I guess it is illegal. Doesn't mean it's not ******* stupid. It's like you didn't even see the links i posted. Piracy doesn't hurt the industry the way the industry wants you to think it does.
User avatar #21 to #20 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
your missing the point I was trying to make. Piracy is theft, and it's illegal. I made no comment on whether I consider the punishment for these crimes justifiable, or whether it impacts the economy.
User avatar #23 to #21 - spceinvdr (07/13/2014) [-]
ok then fine. ITS ILLEGAL HOLY **** . Bout when you said all that you sounded like someone who masturbates to the police academy handbook, no offense. I get the point but holy hell i dont want to get it it because its stupid IMO
User avatar #25 to #23 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
And theft is illegal.
User avatar #24 to #23 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
Did I mention that piracy is theft?
#26 to #24 - spceinvdr (07/13/2014) [-]
alright fine you win. But that other guy is a fag for thinking they deserve all that
#70 to #20 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
It's illegal but its stupid. That's not the way the law works though you ave to follow all of them. I think it's stupid I cant intense bodyloveing shoot dumbasses like you in the face. But sadly I can't do that regardless of how much better off the world would be without you. Haha stupid law right.
User avatar #239 to #70 - spceinvdr (07/14/2014) [-]
wow thanks for the butthurt. I'd like to see you shoot me in the face for not liking some law. You sound like a fag.
#19 to #18 - boothead (07/13/2014) [-]
Actually here your wrong, Somebody serving prison time over a company losing money on something that wasn't a physical problem to being with is something that nobody should go through. The man who made MegaUpload, where is he at? Jail for life. Why? Because he made a p2p filesharing website where users exchanged data, nobody stole anything and somebody who didn't intend to fun the non-existent theft is suffering in prison. "It's the law" you say, if it was the law for midgets to break you're kneecaps with hammers and one decided to hug you and had the **** kicked out of him by police and sentenced to life in prison would you care? By you're logic no, you and you're busted kneecaps wouldn't give a **** because a that heartfelt midget broke the law. Explain why people deserve to be punished for an unjust, unbaised law.
User avatar #22 to #19 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
Where did I say whether i think the punishment was unfair? I made no comment on people who have been supposedly jailed for no reason. All I'm saying it piracy is theft, and illegal.
I think your over-reacting... Where the hell did you get hammer wielding midgets from? haha
User avatar #35 to #22 - malinko (07/13/2014) [-]
I think hes talkin about slapchoppin
User avatar #37 to #35 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
Oh. Why'd he reply to me then?
User avatar #39 to #37 - malinko (07/13/2014) [-]
because he's an idiot maybe?
#27 to #22 - boothead (07/13/2014) [-]
>Piracy is theft
What part of Pirating a song is stealing, when I am pirating it?
User avatar #28 to #27 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
Well, in that case, even though you own said song, your distributing it unlawfully. Check copyright laws.
User avatar #29 to #28 - syntheticdoll (07/13/2014) [-]
That's distributing it unlawfully, not stealing, the 2 is not the same.
If my friend have a book I want to read and I take it from her when she's not looking it's stealing because I took someone else's belonging to myself. If I borrow her bokk and photocopy it that's piracy because I have the book but she still has her so I didn't steal anything.
User avatar #31 to #29 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
Like I said, check copyright laws. Pirating can mean distributing or downloading. Technically, if you were to photocopy the entire book, yes you did steal. You took the intellectual property of someone else without paying for it.
User avatar #32 to #31 - syntheticdoll (07/13/2014) [-]
Stealing is taking the exact item, not copying it.
I'm not saying piracy is not a crime but it's NOT stealing.
How could I steal the book if it's still there?
#33 to #32 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
"Intellectual property"... You are stealing the authors intellectual property.
User avatar #80 to #33 - Daeiros (07/13/2014) [-]
Intellectual property laws were created to protect inventors from having their ideas copied and marketed by existing companies. The purpose of those laws is to help encourage innovation by protecting the rights of the innovator to make money on their innovations for a limited time before eventually releasing the rights to these innovations so that society as a whole can benefit from them. These laws have been changed by the entertainment industry to protect everything they create forever so that they can sue someone for watching a 30 year old movie without paying for it.

to summarize for the lazy, copyrights are supposed to protect inventors temporarily so they can get rich off their inventions without fear of being out-marketed. Instead they now let big companies sue people forever.
User avatar #38 to #33 - malinko (07/13/2014) [-]
now I will agree with you on "piracy is theft" for intellectual property.

HOWEVER. those two guys never actually did any piracy. they only created the site that would link one person to another person to commit piracy.

with that logic, you might as arrest the people that make the phone book because it lists numbers of people that happen to be drug dealers. theoretically you could call someone randomly out of the phonebook and they could be a drug dealer and you buy drugs. and therefore the book book helped commit a crime in somewhat the same way the guys that created the pirate bay commit a crime.
User avatar #41 to #38 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
Like I've said in my previous comments- I'm not making any comment on people that have been jailed for whatever reason. I don't know anything about those two people, or what they've been accused of doing, so I wont comment on that.
I'm just stating the laws that people think don't exist. I've pirated a lot of stuff, but I'm not denying that there are laws regarding the distribution and download of music, movies, games etc.

Imagine this. You decide to develop a game from scratch. You spend years creating a story, creating characters, maps, textures, items, creating codes, animations, dialogue etc. You finally finish it after months and months of hard work, blood, sweat and tears and say 50% of sales are lost because people have just pirated it. It's probably not a very realistic scenario, but just as an example.
I understand that games like CoD just keep recycling the same **** , but just say your an independent developer, and you and a small team have created a piece of art, because that's what games are. I'd feel great that people are enjoying it, don't get me wrong, But I would feel quite upset and a little angry if thousands of people had just stolen my product that I'd spent so much time and effort on.
User avatar #42 to #41 - malinko (07/13/2014) [-]
no. I completely understand. and I agree with you.

half the time though, the stuff that is pirated is like movies and music. I agree it is in fact a crime and is stealing. however i dont feel bad in the least when people do it because the people that its being stolen from are still filthy ******* rich and my ass spent most of my life just scrapping by.
User avatar #43 to #42 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/13/2014) [-]
Someone who gets it! haha
It just annoys me when people think that it's fine to download **** , then get angry when you tell them that there are laws.
#101 to #43 - boothead (07/13/2014) [-]
In Nazi Germany hiding a Jew from being taken away was breaking the law. Point being said anti-piracy laws are unjust and therefore are not laws, just bulldigestive end product measures rich people take so they don't lose an extra 25 cents.
User avatar #242 to #101 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/14/2014) [-]
I have said on numerous occasions, that I am making absolutely no comment on punishments for piracy. C'mon man, your making you'reself seem more and more stupid with every word.
User avatar #77 to #38 - xxdarkdanxx (07/13/2014) [-]
HOWEVER, as small counter-argument, pirate bay is the equivelent of a phonebook of only drug dealer, with the intent to show someone where to get some drugs
User avatar #40 to #38 - malinko (07/13/2014) [-]
I realize that my grammar in the comment was very ****** up. I am drunk.
#86 to #18 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
heh, no. That is not the legal definition of theft. The legal definition includes the intention of depriving the original owner of it permanently. Since your not actually taking anything away from him, your not stealing.
In fact, if you take a baseball bat from a store to use it for the afternoon, intending to take it back to the store the next day, your technically not stealing it. your borrowing without permission, but not stealing.
#51 to #17 - cyberkite (07/13/2014) [-]
This is really not how it is always, most people that are actually fans of a band tends to get their cd, this is mostly the same people going to concerts, getting overpriced mech. many people often pirate a single song they like from or a single album, fans dedicaded to get mech, is often also dedicated to get the cd, unless they have spotify, or so.

And no the industry isen't always being helped by piracy, but piracy dosen't really hurt, it might help a bit for smaller artist but that's it. are we looking at video games youtube is the thing helping, piracy might help as a demo if you end up getting the game, but I there are better ways to work around this.
#47 to #16 - bobbel (07/13/2014) [-]
it isn't. you don't take their property away.
your just copying, making another one for you'reself.
User avatar #54 to #47 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
Answer these two questions
a) Do you have the product?
b) Did you pay the company's established price for it?
#83 to #54 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
It is completely irrelevant whether you paid for the product or not. Pirating a game can NEVER be stealing. Here is the legal definition of stealing, for the purposes of a product:
"A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly."
That is taken from a british governmental website. The definition of theft includes the intention of permanently depriving the other of that item. If you pirate something, the seller doesn't lose a product key or activation key, so it is not stealing.

your wrong.
User avatar #190 to #83 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
Oh yes, I forgot the British government sets the objective standard for what stealing is. Either way, they still deprive the company of the profits they would've made off of the sale. It's still stealing.
#194 to #190 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
That was just an example of a definition. The Swedish legal definition supports me much more, as the appropriation must lead to a direct financial loss. A lost potential sale is not a direct loss, so it is not stealing in Sweden. Also, Swedish law is much more relevant here, since the content was about the Pirate Bay founders.

On the other hand, I was wrong in the piracy can, in fact, be stealing in some countries. Denmark is one of them. In denmark, it's stealing if you do it for personal gain, and enjoyment is personal gain. But it is covered better by different laws, so you wouldn't be charged with theft in the case of piracy, but with piracy.

Basically, it would be very rare for you to be accused of theft, as there's a law that covers the subject much better in most countries.
User avatar #196 to #194 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
Right and wrong aren't subjective by country, I hope you realize. A lost sale is a direct loss. (Usually) $60 worth of goods has been obtained for free with no profit to the country. How is that not stealing?
#199 to #196 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
Okay, some misconceptions:
First off, a lost sale is not a provable direct loss. You cannot prove that the person would have bought the game if hadn't been able to pirate it, so it cannot be a provable loss. You have to prove that you lost money directly because the person pirated the game, and you cannot do that. It's just not possible.
Also, you said "with no profit to the country". That is wrong. Piracy doesn't hurt the economy as a whole, as you would spend the money anyway. I explained this in another post, and don't feel like repeating.
User avatar #200 to #199 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
a) That makes no sense. They have a product they didn't pay for. How is that not a loss? You can prove it. The legal way to get games is to purchase them, since that's how our economy works. There is proof they have a product that they did not pay for
b) I meant company, not country.
#205 to #200 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
I'm not sure I can make this any simpler than I am.

You cannot prove that the person would have bought the game if it was impossible to pirate it.
If the game is impossible to pirate, there are two possible situations:
The person in question buys the game.
The person in question doesn't want to buy the game, for whatever reason, and doesn't buy the game.

You cannot know which option that person would choose, so you cannot prove, without a doubt, that the company in question incurred a loss there, as you cannot prove that they lost a sale.

Also, b): fair enough.
User avatar #206 to #205 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
Yes but even broken down it makes no sense, and I don't see why any of that matters

Person A wants game B from company C
If A purchases B, C makes their profit, A has their product
If A pirates B, C makes no money, but A has product
If A pirates and then purchases B, A has product and C still makes money
#210 to #206 - alexanderh (07/14/2014) [-]
But, consider this:
Person D wants game B from company C, but either cannot afford the game, or thinks it's too expensive.
person D wouldn't buy the game, because of whatever reason, so he pirates it.

Potentially, if the game is good enough, person D might even be convinced that the game is worth it and choose to buy it (happened to me a few times, actually).
User avatar #222 to #210 - teoberry (07/14/2014) [-]
intense bodylove, my response apparently didn't load. Anyways, I outlined that in the last scenario. D's reason for pirating doesn't matter, he still gets the product without authorization. How isn't that stealing? D gets B without C's permission.
#225 to #222 - alexanderh (07/14/2014) [-]
Because there's no provable loss in this case. i'm talking from a strictly legal point of view. So, legally, it's not theft, at least in Sweden. In Denmark, it is, but you would not be punished for theft but for piracy.
You always use the laws that apply best, and since there's a law for this specific scenario, we use that. Ergo, piracy is piracy, not theft.
User avatar #226 to #225 - teoberry (07/14/2014) [-]
So it basically boils down to which country you're from is what your saying? Fair enough. I still believe it's objectively theft since they're taking something without permission, which is the usual basic definition of theft.
#228 to #226 - alexanderh (07/14/2014) [-]
Yes, it boils down to country, and in some cases states, as with pretty much all legal matters. For example, did you know that, in California, two people getting blackout drunk and having sex, is technically rape? As in, they are technically raping each other?

But in the case of the basic, common usage, of the word theft, yeah, you could easily argue that piracy is theft. But you could also easily argue that it isn't, especially if you quote laws. That's the entire reason we have legal definitions in the first place.

Personally, I consider piracy comparable to theft, but not quite as "bad".
User avatar #238 to #190 - spceinvdr (07/14/2014) [-]
IT CANNOT DEPRIVE THE COMPANY OF PROFITS. Why would someone download a pirated copy of a game when they KNOW that

a) it will be outdated quickly and doesn't have updates
b) most of the time you can't play online because of cracked client detectors and other problems
c) its very glitchy and alot of the time it intense bodyloves up
d) doesn't include the full features of the game
e) doesn't include any product support if there is a problem
f) you could pay a little money and get the real deal that works perfectly with no issues

It's like a trial version. If it's good enough, usually a pirate will buy it. For example, I pirated garry's mod to TRY it. I liked the game, but because i pirated it there was no online, no dupes, and no addons. I couldn't do very much. So I downloaded the real version of the game, and paid for it from steam after I tried the game. I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't tried it. So really piracy of their game earned them 10 dollars from me. Not only that, but I also convinced my friend to buy it to play with him online. BAM they earned another 10 dollars thanks to me pirating it once. So you can intense bodylove off with that lost profits stuff, it's total horsedigestive end product.
#63 to #54 - bobbel (07/13/2014) [-]

but still in fact it isn't stealing. not saying it isn't illegal or something.
User avatar #207 to #63 - teoberry (07/13/2014) [-]
You have their product without their authorization. How isn't that stealing?
#219 to #207 - bobbel (07/14/2014) [-]
it just isn't the definition of stealing. because you don't take away their stuff. it doesn't matter for them if you watch something with piracy or don't buy it all. in both ways they won't get money. if you download music for example, the artist doesn't lose any of his property. he probably won't even notice. (if you buy it afterwards because it's good digestive end product, it's only better for him.)
User avatar #220 to #219 - teoberry (07/14/2014) [-]
But what is the definition of stealing? A quick search says it's taking someone's property without permission or legal right. When you pirate, you get the product and they make no money. That's theft.
#227 to #220 - bobbel (07/14/2014) [-]
they aren't losing property. i wouldn't buy a lot of games i did pirate( it's just too expensive and most of the time i don't like them), so they aren't losing money.

User avatar #236 to #227 - teoberry (07/14/2014) [-]
Yes they are dumbass! You are getting a product without paying for it. They are still losing a potential $60 (or whatever). Stealing someting and saying you wouldn't have bought it anyways is not an excuse. That makes it worse. You are knowingly using their product without authorization and no mean to purchase. If everyone used that excuse, the media industry would be dead.
#247 to #236 - bobbel (07/14/2014) [-]
well i buy it when it's good( i think i buy more music for example than most people)

but it isn't stealing, it is illegal. for example when somebody bakes 10 cake's and wants to sell them for 10 $ and you bake exactly the same cake. did you steal their cake?
User avatar #248 to #247 - teoberry (07/14/2014) [-]
That analogy is flawed. When we're talking about companies, it's an original product with a copyright. A cake is not that. Try again.
#250 to #248 - bobbel (07/14/2014) [-]
yeah, but imagine that the cake was an origanil product with a copyright. and you just copy it for you'reself.
User avatar #251 to #250 - teoberry (07/14/2014) [-]
Then you just broke a copyright law and stole it.
#252 to #251 - bobbel (07/14/2014) [-]
yeah you broke the copyright law and that's illegal. but you didn't steal it.
User avatar #253 to #252 - teoberry (07/14/2014) [-]

that's what a copyright law is. To prevent theft of an idea. Either way the analogy doesn't work because in pirating you are using an original product without authorization, not creating a clone.
#256 to #253 - bobbel (07/14/2014) [-]
and you're making a clone btw
User avatar #257 to #256 - teoberry (07/14/2014) [-]
When you pirate? No. It's still the original product.
#254 to #253 - bobbel (07/14/2014) [-]
Violation of a copyright is called infringement.
User avatar #255 to #254 - teoberry (07/14/2014) [-]
I don't see you're point. you're analogy is still flawed.
User avatar #241 to #47 - ThunderChunderFrom (07/14/2014) [-]
Holy digestive end product. Are all you dumb asses clinically brain dead or something. You are stealing intellectual property!
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#46 to #13 - hugebulliest (07/13/2014) [-]
You moron
#68 - mrpavelowgrimm (07/13/2014) [-]
I will seed all my torrents for a year in honor of these men.
#166 to #68 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
Repay all debts.

Or just be a massive prick and never seed.
User avatar #201 to #68 - assdoreponyfucker ONLINE (07/13/2014) [-]
User avatar #152 - Kairyuka (07/13/2014) [-]
I remember Notch saying that piracy shouldn't be fought as an enemy, but as a competitor. That mentality would be an interesting standpoint for more people to take.
#135 - apolloeighteen (07/13/2014) [-]
the people commenting on the negative aspects of piracy here just don't know how and are intense bodyloveing jelly.
User avatar #167 to #135 - thewhitezombie (07/13/2014) [-]
because clicking on a torrent is so hard...
User avatar #172 to #167 - PVTDickStryker (07/13/2014) [-]
Believe it or not, not everyone is aware of mounting, ripping, and cracking.
User avatar #173 to #172 - thewhitezombie (07/13/2014) [-]
... Compared to actually finding a decent torrent, that digestive end product is easy.
User avatar #174 to #173 - thewhitezombie (07/13/2014) [-]
what the intense bodylove?
User avatar #175 to #174 - thewhitezombie (07/13/2014) [-]
new censors? -_-
#85 - Biue (07/13/2014) [-]
It's been shown that pirates spend more on media than people who don't.
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When you pay for media you don't pay for the data at all, you pay for the license to use that data, you never own anything. Copying that data isn't always illegal but using it without paying for it, is.

Theres no real way to justify pirating other than it's human nature to use something that is easier to use. Steam has done wonders in lowering piracy of games because their service is very easy and well made. Pandora, and Spotify have reduced piraters of music for the same reason. Netflix does reduce pirating but it has no effect on new releases because those hardly ever show up until years later.

Companies have adjusted their services to reduce pirating but the problem now is the studios who keep throwing DRM like HDCP on their media and a bunch of unskippable previews on the DVD's you buy (They are mostly skippable from what i've seen now though).

If I buy a 1080p movie off itunes, I can't watch it in 1080p because of HDCP, the TV i have connected to my computer has HDCP but it won't work anyway. This caused me to use requiem 4.1 and an older version of itunes to remove that DRM and watch the movie how I want it. I will not be buying anything from Itunes until that HDCP crap is removed. That DRM doesn't even touch the pirates, people like SKIDROW and aXXo just remove it themselves and no one even knows it's there. DRM hurts the people who pay for media and causes them to pirate.
User avatar #97 - ghio (07/13/2014) [-]
Riddle me this. Say I pirated darksouls on PC, play it, beat it and enjoy the game so much buy and beat darksouls 2. Then some time later darksouls 1 is given to xbox live gold members for free and I download it to play it again. Is it theft if they give it to you for free later?
User avatar #100 to #97 - arziben (07/13/2014) [-]
well technically it's theft, but since you had an opportunity to get it free then they wouldn't have gotten the money anyway...

Moral/karma wise it's okay
User avatar #143 to #97 - zeref (07/13/2014) [-]
Well see it as like killing someone who has 2 weeks to live, he would die anyway but before its time. At the moment of torrenting the game it was not free yet so it would be stealing.
User avatar #232 to #143 - ghio (07/14/2014) [-]
Well, scenario 2: pirate assasins creed black flag (dont even touch it because of other games i got), buy a new graphics card, and get ACBF with it for free, uninstall pirated version and install legit one.
User avatar #240 to #232 - zeref (07/14/2014) [-]
Well since you dident start up the game it would be seen as if you stole a cookie from a store, then the store owner gives you a cookie and you decide to put the cookie back in the shelves. Legally you stole it but ''realized you're mistake'' and put it back.
User avatar #246 to #240 - ghio (07/14/2014) [-]
But the store was never missing a cookie.
User avatar #249 to #246 - zeref (07/14/2014) [-]
True but they would be missing the money for said cookie, another example would be someone buying a cookie and doing research for the ingredients so he can make his own cookie and give it away for free so that in the end the store doesent receive their money for something that is theirs (the recipe of said cookie)
User avatar #260 to #249 - ghio (07/16/2014) [-]
But most people who give away free samples of said cookie (its usually missing something like multiplayer) Give credit to the original seller and encourage people to buy the full cookie from there trying to drive them in business.
User avatar #144 to #143 - zeref (07/13/2014) [-]
This is just seen in a legal perspective btw, this is by no means my personal opinion nor is it a judgement.
User avatar #231 to #97 - gadgetzan ONLINE (07/14/2014) [-]
Not to mention it seems you only bought darksouls 2 because you pirated the first one. That means they gained a paying customer. One pirated game and one sold one, surely is better than no sold one at all?
#74 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
No mater how it's justified, it's still theft, doesn't matter if it's making a copy, doesn't matter if "you'll buy it if you like it" at it's core it's theft.
#88 to #74 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
From the british legal definition of theft:
"A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly."

If you don't take something away from someone, it's not theft. Piracy copies something, and doesn't take that thing away so it can't be sold again. Let's say you have 100 activation keys for a game. 50 people buy the game, so you have 50 activation keys left. One of the people who bought the game cracks it and puts it up for piracy. A person then downloads the cracked copy. You still have 50 copies left, so nothing was stolen from you. Not theft.
If someone then hacks into the database and takes one of the activation keys, you can't sell that key anymore, so that would be theft.

Piracy=/=theft. not legally, anyway.
#156 to #88 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
god intense bodyloveing dammit u are such an backpassage! p.s this is not the same anon. look what you are saying is not something that has a real world comparison! u are the kind of person who says if someone copies ure car but ure car is still there in the morning its not theft! NO ITS NOT but it has just magically made all the materials from nothing! thats is what is hurting the economy! not by much but it still hurts it no matter what! god intense bodyloveing dammit u toxic mega female amusement-system!
#160 to #156 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
Try doing some research. Piracy doesn't hurt the economy. It can hurt developers, but it has been proven to not hurt the economy as a whole, since the money is still being spent, just on something else.
#162 to #160 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
...*facepalm through skull* look if it hurts the developers then by proxy is hurts the economy! due to no product being taxed on and less taxes being taken from the developers!
#165 to #162 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
Okay, it seems I need to explain this in more depth.
Here's the scenario:
person one has 100 $. He buys a 60 $ game. He now has 40 $ that he spends on other things. He spent 100 $ total, all of which is taxed.
Person two has 100 $. He pirates the same game 60 $ game, but doesn't lose money. he now has 100 $ that he spends on other stuff. he spent 100 $, all of which is taxed.
Person three has 100 $. he spends it on a new sofa and some other things. He spent 100 $, all of which is taxed.

Same end result for the economy in general. No change in money spent, it was just being spent on different stuff.
You saying that pirating a game hurts the economy is like saying that buying a sofa instead of a game hurts the economy. It just doesn't make sense. It might hurt the games industry as a whole, but it also might not, as he could very well choose to spend it on other games.
#168 to #165 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
add one more to ure scenario. more and more peoplebuy sofas etc and dont buy games and then just pirates them the developer goes bust and then in turn hurts the economy! its not just taxes! i really dont know why you are defending these people! im not saying i dont pirate or anything obviously i do everyone has at some point but that doesnt make it any less wrong! its not theft in the typical sense its more intellectual property theft!
#171 to #168 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
The scenario you describe is more often than not because the people prioritised the sofas over the games. If this happens for long enough, the developer goes bust, which is bad for the economy, yes. But if the general public, as a whole, decides not to buy you're games, that's the fault of the developer/publisher. If that actually happens, it's because you've continually pissed of you're consumers to the point they boycott you, or because you're games are bad enough that people refuse to buy them. In short, if piracy was impossible, people would still not buy the game.
User avatar #107 to #88 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
"From the british legal definition of theft:"
Opinion invalid
shut up
#112 to #107 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
Not an opinion, but a fact.
User avatar #113 to #112 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
you can't use the fact if it's the swedish locking him up dipdigestive end product
#114 to #113 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
Here's the translation of swedish law:
"a person who unlawfully takes what belongs to another with intent to acquire it, shall, if the appropriation involves loss, be sentenced for theft to improsonment for at most two years".
You cannot prove that piracy involves loss, as you cannot prove that the person intended to buy the product, ergo, not theft in Sweden either.
User avatar #115 to #114 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
Are you intense bodyloveing serious? How does piracy not involve loss?
Look at online players
"Wow we have 2million players with unique IPs! but only 1.6million games sold?! O: "
User avatar #117 to #115 - icefried (07/13/2014) [-]
Except you can't play on official servers if you have a pirated copy.
User avatar #118 to #117 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
except you can play Black ops 2 online when you pirate it
#122 to #118 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
How does black ops 2 multiplayer work? Is it dedicated servers? Or peer-to-peer?
Either way, that is a bad example. In either case, activision doesn't host the servers. They are either hosted by a hosting company or by one of the other players as needed.

If you pirate a game, for it to be stealing the seller would have to prove that you cost them money. They cannot.
Pirated games almost never use servers hosted by the company that made the game or published it, so you cannot argue theft on that basis either. At least not in most cases. And even if they did, it would still not be theft, it would be unauthorised access of data that doesn't belong to you. Not theft.
User avatar #124 to #122 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
"a person who unlawfully takes what belongs to another with intent to acquire it, shall, if the appropriation involves loss, be sentenced for theft to improsonment for at most two years"
#126 to #124 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
It is not loss if you cannot prove that their actions directly inflicted you loss. Using their multiplayer servers isn't part of piracy, so the piracy doesn't involve provable losses.

Also, please form an argument instead of just quoting law.
User avatar #127 to #126 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
lol ***** you're whole argument is based off of you copying and pasting the law
#131 to #127 - alexanderh (07/13/2014) [-]
I'm quoting the law to formulate an argument. You did nothing but quote the law.
But let me address how you seem to have understood the law.

The law specifically states "if the appropriation involves loss". This means that the loss has to be a part of the appropriation. If the loss is that people are using you're servers for something they did not pay for, that loss is not part of the appropriation, and it is therefore not considered theft.

That's how the swedish law works in this case.

On the other hand, under Danish law, piracy IS theft. If you unlawfully take something from somebody else, for personal gain, it is theft. Fun or enjoyment is personal gain. So, in Denmark, piracy is theft. But it is not theft in Sweden.
User avatar #119 to #118 - icefried (07/13/2014) [-]
On cracked servers?
Cracked servers are full of cheaters because they are almost always unmoderated.
And who gives a digestive end product about black ops 2 anymore?
User avatar #120 to #119 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
"And who gives a digestive end product about black ops 2 anymore?"
lol just because people don't care about it doesn't mean Treyarch doesn't monitor their latest game
User avatar #123 to #120 - icefried (07/13/2014) [-]
So basically they are not so good ladying about the .4 million despite their game being a gigantic pile of crap.
They literally haven't made a good game in years and the quality has fallen drastically with Ghosts. The games aren't even worth buying, they are carbon copies of the previous games with gimmicks being passed as innovations.
#73 - bollenn (07/13/2014) [-]
That beard.. cringe
#71 - kiratheunholy (07/13/2014) [-]
>MFW all the moralfags in the comments saying "DURR HURR PIRACY BAADZ"
#150 - mrmamric (07/13/2014) [-]
I disagree with piracy and I think it's good these two are finally put in prison. I am ready to be burned at the stake. Do you're worst, Funnyjunk.
User avatar #177 to #150 - butterduck (07/13/2014) [-]
Learn to spell fag.
#181 to #177 - mrmamric (07/13/2014) [-]
I made an honest mistake and I accept it. I didn't even realize I typed in the wrong variation of the word. But you're powerless anger makes up for my self-embarrassment.
I made an honest mistake and I accept it. I didn't even realize I typed in the wrong variation of the word. But you're powerless anger makes up for my self-embarrassment.
User avatar #184 to #181 - butterduck (07/13/2014) [-]
I just made a mistake aswell, I corrected you're "you are" into "you are"
#188 to #184 - mrmamric (07/13/2014) [-]
I can't be mad at someone like you for being so adult about it. But I still have to call you a intense bodylove face for insulting my cis.
I can't be mad at someone like you for being so adult about it. But I still have to call you a intense bodylove face for insulting my cis.
User avatar #195 to #188 - butterduck (07/13/2014) [-]
dafuq is intense bodylove
#197 to #195 - mrmamric (07/13/2014) [-]
Oh, I finally get it. fack translates to that thanks to wonderful my big tittied mommy.
User avatar #203 to #197 - shadowbreech (07/13/2014) [-]
Yeah, my big tittied mommy's becoming a real not so good lady...
Seriously, I've been hoping he'll start fixing FJ but he's actually gonna keep up the censoring of swears, I'm done with this site and this digestive end product...
#224 to #203 - mrmamric (07/14/2014) [-]
The worst part is when the words are still white text and at first you don't know it's been changed and your thinking the weed is kicking in already.
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User avatar #182 to #150 - butterduck (07/13/2014) [-]
Why did you delete you're comment?
I don't care that you hate pirating, a man to his own, I only hate you for not being able to spell one of the most easily spelled words.
#183 to #182 - mrmamric (07/13/2014) [-]
I deleted my reply because it wasn't meant for you. It's been reuploaded. Muscle memory and all that.
User avatar #158 to #150 - huzibizi (07/13/2014) [-]
stop dishing out digestive end productty console ports for PC, then I'll stop pirating.
User avatar #159 to #158 - huzibizi (07/13/2014) [-]
ahahahahhaha my big tittied mommy you intense bodyloveing admin
User avatar #164 to #150 - majkee (07/13/2014) [-]
I don't disagree with piracy, and pirate games quite often, mainly because i have no income ATM, and if i really enjoy a game i buy it to support the makers. But i see you're argument, and cant say that these 2 should be free since they have committed a crime.
#96 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
Was almost going to help until I heard vegan.
#103 to #96 - swagmonstah (07/13/2014) [-]
no digestive end product. what a faggot.
he's right where he deserves to be.
#102 to #96 - DrPeppir (07/13/2014) [-]
Pirate lord + vegan = still a intense bodyloveing pirate lord
Pirate lord + vegan = still a intense bodyloveing pirate lord
User avatar #66 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
All ya'll ****** against piracy are hypocrites, like seriously. By that logic all agriculture should be illegal.
If your neighbor gives you tomato seeds from his garden so you can plant you're own tomatoes, then should Home Depot arrest you piracy?
#87 to #66 - ohemgeezus (07/13/2014) [-]
That makes no sense, holy digestive end product you pro-piracyfags are so god damn stupid.   
If the neighbor bought the seeds then they're his BY RIGHT to do whatever he wants, he could shove them up his ass with and no one can do anything if he BOUGHT THEM. Pirates don't buy anything by illegally copying stuff.   
Give me you're red toes retards, you know I'm right.
That makes no sense, holy digestive end product you pro-piracyfags are so god damn stupid.
If the neighbor bought the seeds then they're his BY RIGHT to do whatever he wants, he could shove them up his ass with and no one can do anything if he BOUGHT THEM. Pirates don't buy anything by illegally copying stuff.

Give me you're red toes retards, you know I'm right.
User avatar #148 to #87 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
your missing the point, someone bought that product. If he gives it out for free, why the intense bodylove is that my problem? By you're logic its my neighbors right to give them to me.
Lets imagine that its a netflix account for example, someone is obviously paying for the subscription. If he lets his friend use it on their computer netflix still gets paid.
What you seem to be forgetting is that these companies are still making millions upon millions of dollars because of dumbintense bodyloves like you.
Do you really pay for every song or every movie you watch? If you had a friend that could sneak you in to a free movie at the theatre, would you really be a white knight and report you're friend?
Case closed newfag
#154 to #148 - ohemgeezus (07/13/2014) [-]
It is the neighbors right to give stuff to you if he bought it you autistic retard, it's not his right to buy a game, illegally copy it, and distribute it.
I wouldn't have any purpose to sneaking into a movie because I'm not an edgy 15 year old trying to, "fight the man" like you'reself.
Retards like you are what's wrong with the world.
Case not closed because you're examples and arguments are complete pants-on-head retarded.
User avatar #155 to #154 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
Then please elaborate on the difference? He intense bodyloveing bought, someone bought it. Otherwise how can you share the file? You seem to be arguing about something you don't understand. There has to be a source
If all you can come up are autism jokes then I'm kinda disappointed. Go back to tumblr
#157 to #155 - ohemgeezus (07/13/2014) [-]
>disappointed with autism jokes
>calls me a newfag
Does it actually hurt to think, because your so damn stupid. go back to 9.gag with you're fellow "anermouse" friends.
User avatar #161 to #157 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
Lol you still haven't answered my question dipdigestive end product. Keep trying you actually might offend me this time.
And greentext doesn't obviously work of FJ, stop trying to suck 9gag's dick
#163 to #161 - ohemgeezus (07/13/2014) [-]
There's no point in answering you're question, because I'm not debating whether the content is right or not, I'm saying you're comparison is completely retarded, you dumbass.

Greentext doesn't work? How'd you figure that out, champ? The basis on greentext does, which is to draw attention to certain words or phrases, newfag. Thank you for further proving my point that your actually mentally disabled.
User avatar #169 to #163 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
Careful, I wouldn't want you to come up with an original comeback.
So as I was saying about my point.
case closed
Go be cool somewhere else, it's clearly working out for you. I bet all the boys love you.
#170 to #169 - ohemgeezus (07/13/2014) [-]
lol, as if you're comebacks are super smart and original(that's sarcasm if you didn't notice).
Nice job trying to cut out of the convo because you can't prove me wrong, go back to sitting on you're uncles lap.
User avatar #176 to #170 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
I don't have to prove how cool I am to you, it wouldn't matter anyway. It's not like I could prove it in the first place.
If you think I have autism, congratulations.
If you think I have an uncle, you must be a psychic.
Why do I care? I don't have to prove myself right, I just have to prove you wrong.
Which is becoming easier to do the more you type.
Keep digging you'reself into that hole chief, you might reach China.
#178 to #176 - ohemgeezus (07/13/2014) [-]
My goodness your starting to make me laugh. You have yet to prove me wrong, yet you seem to think you are. This is starting to get boring because all your doing is contradicting you'reself which is amazing.
User avatar #186 to #178 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
Prove you wrong on what? You have yet been able to prove me wrong on my first point.
You say my analogy is digestive end product? I'm still waiting.
All you seem to be able to do is question my intelligence on a intense bodyloveing tangent. your a one trick pony.
Try harder.
#187 to #186 - ohemgeezus (07/13/2014) [-]
I proved you're analogy wrong in the first two comments, champ, then you turned it into the debate of many other threads here.
User avatar #193 to #187 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
By claiming it's illegal? I directly used your words against you.
In the sense of "bought" as you are talking about. If my neighbor shoves them up his ass then he is more then welcome to do so. If he wants to give them away, he is more than welcome to do so. It's his RIGHT to make that happen. Theres a reason they call it seeding in the first place. If I take it from a friend or "neighbor" instead of another person on the internet that suddenly makes it not okay? Do you see the hypocrisy?
How about this, drop you're Barbie dolls for a second and go use you're crayons to write this all down. It might do you some good.
#198 to #193 - ohemgeezus (07/13/2014) [-]
Alrighty, I'll put down my Barbie dolls and how about you actually pick up a book and get educated because your obviously a bit confused on basic logic by comparing illegally downloading games and giving a tomato seed to a neighbor.
User avatar #209 to #198 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that its not a digestive end productty analogy, granted, theres a lot more to torrenting than that. No argument there. The point remains the same, its rather hypocritical. your splitting hairs over the fact that I used a plant. Put any type of comparison on it you like. It doesn't change the fact that if someone gives it away for free when they bought it, there shouldn't be negative repercussions to a guy who decides to connect people who want/have it. If third party systems like that should now suddenly be illegal, fine. But you can't draw the line there. Companies like SmartCircle should be reprimanded as well on the same law. The fact that this one type of third party is now suddenly the exception to throw these guys in jail is bulldigestive end product. As a matter of fact these guys actually help support smaller businesses. They ask for donations to support indie software. They care about the little guy that is trying to make it big. Do you know anything about Anakata and Brokep? Have you been on their websites? Have you seen what they are trying to accomplish?
or do you just sit back and become an metaphorical "armchair anthropologist?"
Riddle me that.
You can't argue against something if can't argue for it. Otherwise you really don't know who or what you're enemy is.
#89 to #87 - fitta (07/13/2014) [-]
omg is it fun to read digestive end product like this with the word filters
omg is it fun to read digestive end product like this with the word filters
#90 to #89 - ohemgeezus (07/13/2014) [-]
The new filters suck when trying to have a debate/argument, especially for me because I like to use the f word a lot. intense bodyloveing
User avatar #91 to #90 - fitta (07/13/2014) [-]
intense bodylove my thumb you fag
User avatar #92 to #91 - fitta (07/13/2014) [-]
thumb and fag not filtered? disappointed
User avatar #108 to #66 - misticalz (07/13/2014) [-]
if your not in the Monstanto group
and one of their GMO seeds grows in you're crop
and they find it
they sue you
User avatar #153 to #108 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
Okay, your splitting hairs. It can be used for anything with a natural cycle with this type of relevance. Dogs, cats, weed, or intense bodyloveing leopards.
#76 to #66 - rebornpooper (07/13/2014) [-]
Home Depot doesn't own the rights to tomato plants.
User avatar #149 to #76 - peacockockock (07/13/2014) [-]
you seem to be splitting hairs here.
User avatar #208 to #149 - rebornpooper (07/13/2014) [-]
You seem to be making false analogies.
User avatar #211 to #208 - peacockockock (07/14/2014) [-]
your still missing the point. Its not about Home Depot. It's not about the tomatoes. Its the principle behind it. Don't get caught up on the wrong part.
User avatar #212 to #211 - rebornpooper (07/14/2014) [-]
Oh, right, the "principle", because taking an abstract, electrical, print, etc type of concept for personal gain without the guarantee that the mind that created the concept will receive payment for his or her work is the same thing as a biological creation of nature reproducing, both without creation of said biological object being responsible by the retailer or further maintenance from said retailer...
Wait a minute!
User avatar #215 to #212 - peacockockock (07/14/2014) [-]
So by that logic (implying for the sake of argument there is a god) does that give "The Almighty" the right strike you down with lightning for a friend to give you tomato seeds?
The original maker already got paid. The corporations like Apple or Microsoft already gave out intense bodylovetons of money to the original designer. The producers for songs already paid out the musicians. The thing you are stealing from at this point is now the company like Warner Brothers or Ubisoft. Companies that still continue to make a grip of money because individuals don't know how to steal correctly. When megaupload shut down and the guy was sentenced to like 50 years in prison, (Don't know for sure on the amount of time he supposed to be in jail) there were dozens of musicians and celebrities that popped up and asked for the site to be put back up. These are the same guys you are "stealing" from. Kind of ironic isn't it?
Anakata and Brokep supported small indie software. They weren't out to intense bodylove over the guy trying to make ends meet.
#221 to #215 - rebornpooper (07/14/2014) [-]
If God were real, he works by Creative Commons.
Yes, the "original creator" gets paid by the likes of Warner Brothers, but where does the money for Warner or Ubisoft come from? The productive means for the media are employees to a larger business. What your proposing is akin to robbing a factory outlet store (the employees have had their compensation, replacement product exists, the "consumer" has the item without needing to pay the store, the market has one less consumer for each act).
AAA gaming can cost millions of dollars to develop in, and there are very few people who are willing to give a full AAA package for free.
Megaupload was asked to be brought back online because all it is is a file hosting site, which, if taken down, hurts free and legit data sharing for individual use.
thepiratebay supported free data at the expense of large scale software marketing. They didn't give a rat's ass about what was uploaded unless they could use it for some sort of victim complex ("Dah big bad corpurations h8 us DD"), letting the preteens and young adults of the world, and everything in between get whatever the hell they want for a margin of fame.

To return to the original point, though, your a hypocrite "as well" for not making you're Funnyjunk account publicly accessible to all users with access to the site.
User avatar #230 to #221 - peacockockock (07/14/2014) [-]
I never said I wasn't a hypocrite, I'm not better than the rest. However I can live with my hypocrisy.
Secondly, thank you for the insight on the difference between megaupload and TPB. Genuinely. I didn't know there was a difference between the two.
Am I wrong for believing that these companies are intense bodyloveing us over to begin with on the prices of these products in the first place? I mean think about it, granted they cost millions of dollars to produce such a magnificent piece of work. On the ratio of how much these companies are making in first place on that game? It's chump change. Rockstar wouldn't be hurting if they lost $50 million on GTA V. And thats pushing it, I don't think there are that many torrenters out there in the first place. I mean compared to the magnitude of people that bought the game. Is microsoft going to be in pain if 100k people torrent microsoft office for free? Is Ubisoft going to genuinely see a significant drop in stock solely because of what these guys did? Doubtful.
User avatar #99 to #76 - sparkyoneonetwo (07/13/2014) [-]
Home depot doesn't even own there tomato plants at lest not at the one I work at.
#8 - hugebulliest (07/13/2014) [-]
They know what they did and now they have to pay for it.

#9 to #8 - fuckyouto ONLINE (07/13/2014) [-]
Please, tell me what they did to be put into prison?

You do know you stupid **** that they never hosted any ******* content of their own they just hosted the hash links to the places you can get the things.

If we used this logic in life we should lock up people who make phone directories because you can call a drug dealer.
Or shut down kijijij and Craigslist because you can buy stolen and illegal things.

******* retard.
#44 to #9 - hugebulliest (07/13/2014) [-]
Piratebay's sole purpose is to pirate products. Its more like hosting an opium den and then getting arrested accordingly.

They have been in legal battles for ages, and they knew that they were breaking loads of laws.
#132 to #44 - fuckyouto ONLINE (07/13/2014) [-]
You even know what you are talking about?
You want to use you're logic about an opium den? Imagine if you rented out you're house to some people and they grew weed or turned it into a whore house. Now imagine being arrested because of it. Logically you knew full well that you can grow weed in a house so either way you are guilty.

Either way if they full fledged knew what was being hosted. They had every right to do it. They committed nothing to uploading they just gave people the means of accessing data.
I don't know how the intense bodylove you think that is a crime. You are a intense bodyloveing moron.
Secondly piratbay also hosted legit stuff and to say that it is sole purpose is to pirate than you know nothing about this and you should crawl back into you're governments arms and continue to think that sharing is stealing.

P.S. 20 down votes means stop.
#134 to #132 - hugebulliest (07/13/2014) [-]
If everyone in town knows the house you rented is being used as an opium den and you know... And you don't do anything about it. You are also to blame.

Why is it so hard for you guys to take responsibility for you're actions?
#138 to #134 - fuckyouto ONLINE (07/13/2014) [-]
"Why is it so hard for you guys to take responsibility for your actions?"

First of all I am going to make this quick. I work in gaming, I am a programmer, in truth we make more money on free to play games as an indie company than selling a game for $30+ both of them I would have no problem letting people download.
The people who download are not people who buy products, do you understand this? The only reason I have seen half the movies I have is because I downloaded them. With that being said "I WOULD NOT PAY TO SEE THE MOVIES THAT I HAVE!" just because people download does not mean that the industry is losing money, again THESE ARE NOT PAYING CUSTOMERS. File sharing does not take money from the pockets of anyone!

Secondly, regardless of if they knew or not. They did nothing wrong. Who gives a intense bodylove if they hosted the ability to download, THEY DID NOTHING WRONG! Nothing, aside from hacking they did nothing but host hash files, that people could use to both upload their own content. It's the users who decided to make the site entirely as they wish. Should facebook owners get arrested if I post illigal pictures? technically they
"Own" all rights to anything you upload, unlike piratbay .
#128 to #44 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
Keep that in mind next time you decide to find a free version of a song digestive end productstain.
#34 to #9 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
Gottfrid did something with credit cards and socia security numbers
User avatar #36 to #34 - malinko (07/13/2014) [-]
but thats not why he was jailed.
#59 to #36 - anon (07/13/2014) [-]
"On 27 November 2013 he was extradited to Denmark, where he was charged with infiltrating the Danish social security database, driver’s license database, and the shared IT system used in the Schengen zone."
User avatar #69 - cleateater (07/13/2014) [-]
>founders of pirate bay
>in prison
I don't see the problem here
piracy is illegal
User avatar #139 to #69 - talkingmouth (07/13/2014) [-]
you'ree illegal
User avatar #223 - thenewgizmobox (07/14/2014) [-]
i only pirate games i already have and just want on my PC or want so i buy the PC version and download the DRM free version because intense bodylove ubisoft and it's always on single player games.
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