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Free Anakata Free Brokep!. Peter Sunde was arrested today in a police raid in southern Sweden. The Pirate Bay co-founder was wanted by Interpol as he had yet to

Peter Sunde was arrested today in a police raid in southern Sweden. The Pirate Bay co-founder was wanted by Interpol as he had yet to serve prison time for his involvement with the site. Sunde's arrest comes exactly eight years after the police raided the Pirate Bay servers, which marked the start of the criminal prosecution against the site's founders.

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User avatar #6 - bakinboy
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theyre only in prison for 8 months. sweden doesnt really give a ****, they just did it because of pressure from the U.S.
User avatar #55 to #6 - zenherp
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aren't they fined like 48 million?
User avatar #214 to #6 - superfungi [OP]
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You try doing 8 months of prison
#45 to #6 - sylaz
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Wrong, Gottfried(the one with the beard) is imprisoned in Denmark, cause he hacked most of our social security numbers and leaked them.
If he is found guilty, he will get a 6 year sentence.

User avatar #49 to #45 - soundofwinter
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Why'd he do it
#52 to #49 - cyberkite
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Because our system is ****, but kinda funny he got found out, while proving our security is ****, he did not secure himself good enough
#217 to #49 - anon id: c20076b4
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Not only that, but he has an possible upcoming trial with Sweden on two counts of cyber security breaches and subsequent fraud. Though it seems like they might not actually charge him with it due to some reason or another.

Peter has only ever been charged with TPB related activity.
User avatar #1 - anonimperiumreturn
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vegan candy?
#2 to #1 - acivcrusader
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I think he means nothing based on milk... so no chocolate with milk to him,
User avatar #3 to #1 - screamingdemon
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Some candy is basicallt made out of pig fat. So I guess he doesn't want that.
#141 to #1 - anon id: b7c62664
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let's only send meat
User avatar #5 to #1 - greendaynimrod
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like cocks except worse
#4 - sinery
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Don't let their sacrifice be in vain.
Don't let their sacrifice be in vain.
#30 to #4 - anon id: 87465b4b
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SEED
User avatar #7 - lamarsmithgot
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They can rot in prison for all I care, that beard is a ******* travesty.
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#10 to #7 - fuckyouto
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You are a piece of ****.
User avatar #192 to #10 - oaaaa
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its funny how you and the guy above you are right. you both deserver a thumb
User avatar #11 to #10 - lamarsmithgot
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Hey man, i'm not the one with the ******* mongoloid beard.
#121 to #11 - anon id: aba8a977
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But you are the one with the mental capacity of a slice of bread.
What have you contributed to the internet aside from wasting bandwidth?
Get intense bodyloveed.
User avatar #133 to #121 - lamarsmithgot
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I contribute the truth, son.

If nobody else wants to say it, then I will. That beard is an absolute intense bodyloveing disgrace.

I'll stay on this sinking ship till I drown. I'll say it again. That is the WORST monstrosity of a beard I have ever laid eyes on. I hope they force feed it to him in prison.
#204 to #133 - fuckyouto
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That beard is more famous than anything you and you're digestive end productty family has ever done on this planet.

That's also including you're mothers 99 man gang bang video on the internet.
#229 to #204 - lamarsmithgot
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LOL I really don't know why everybody is so butthurt.

I see a repulsive beard. I call it out. Calm you're tits.

Did I insult you personally? Do you jerk off to pics of his beard or something?
#258 to #229 - fuckyouto
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Yes, I jerk off to beards. -60 is actually impressive. Good job man!
User avatar #12 - slapchoppin
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why should i support criminals

if you break the law you deserve the punishment that is dealt out for it
#13 to #12 - spceinvdr
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OMG TH PIRATES AND L33T HAXORS HURT MUH ECONOMY, THEYRE BAD AND NEED TO PAY FOR THEIR CRIMES!!!!!!11111!!

holy **** you guys. Internet "piracy" isn't even really stealing. It's copying. It's literally just a copy. And you know what? most of the time it's too god-damned expensive in the first place to buy the game I know absolutely nothing about, so I pirate it and try it out. Usually when you pirate a game only like half of it works, it crashes all the time, and requires all sorts of weird **** to get it stable. And even then, usually you don't even get to play online because it's been pirated. So it's not even getting the full game. If its good,l'll actually pay for it and delete the copy.

Also a study about internet piracy and music piracy was done, and it was proven that it actually helps the economy rather than harms it.

bigthink.com/the-moral-sciences-club/does-internet-piracy-really-hurt-the-economy
If that one is not enough heres another
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If you believe those blowhard's ******** for one second your high. The entertainment industry is in full swing. In fact, theyve almost tired themselves out. They're killing themselves with all these ****** remakes that are forced out of every orifice of their being as far as movies. The music is constantly being "remastered" "re-released" "remixed" and whatever, when in reality is they make a shiny new cover for it, **** with the track, or max out the levels on the eq to "remaster the sound". As i said with games before, they usually don't work right when pirated, and if it's good I'll buy it.

So thats movies, games, and music covered. I pirated all sorts of games, but I buy others through steam from the same developers. Did Pink Floyd albums,i have their keychain, I had at least 5 different t shirts, buttons, etc. I also pirated gorillaz stuff, but have alot of their merch too.


#50 to #13 - cyberkite
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your still breaking the law, because we have something called copyright, which gives you promition to copy said thing, if you don't have the right and you copy, you are breaking the law.
#81 to #13 - alexanderh
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Also, don't forget, when Rolling Stone magasine did some research into piracy, they found that music piracy HELPED the artists and record companies. A lot of the piracy wouldn't have resulted in a purchase either way, and if the pirate likes the music, he is likely to buy it.
User avatar #235 to #81 - spceinvdr
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THIS finally someone gets it thats what I was saying. everyone has their panties in a wad because they don't get that a pirated copy=/= lost revenue. It's not like I stole a gallon of milk from the grocery store. That milk is still there available for legitimate sales. It's not like poof the milk is gone, usually you just get a copy of the milk but it's only like 3/4 full.
User avatar #53 to #13 - teoberry
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>it's not stealing, it's copying

That's stupid. You are still getting their product without paying for it. That's stealing. You did not pay yet you still took it anyways.
User avatar #56 to #53 - derivat
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Its not stealing, because you dont take something away from someone, you onlky copy it
User avatar #57 to #56 - teoberry
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Answer these.
a) Do you have the product?
b) Did you pay for it?
User avatar #58 to #57 - derivat
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a)Yes
b)No

But the difference is, if I steal something, the original owner loses it , but if I pirate something, the owner still possesses it and can sell it to other people im not saying piracy isnt a crime tho
User avatar #60 to #58 - teoberry
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Yes, but they can't sell it to you because you already have the product. You have obtained their product in a way that was unauthorized or illegal. Stealing isn't just lifting it from a store. It's different means, but leads to the same end. Imagine if everyone pirated it? They would have no one to sell it to, but everyone would have it.
User avatar #61 to #60 - derivat
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I understand you're point
User avatar #62 to #61 - derivat
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*yo.ur
User avatar #64 to #62 - derivat
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your
#82 to #60 - alexanderh
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Actually, they can still sell it to you. A fair number of pirates buy the product if they like it after trying it out. Personally, if I am considering buying a game, I will often pirate it first to try it. If I like the game, and can afford it, I will buy it.
User avatar #189 to #82 - teoberry
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Yes, but I'm talking about those who don't.
User avatar #237 to #189 - spceinvdr
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Usually if they pirate they couldn't afford the real thing anyway. If you've ever pirated agme you'll find it usually isn't as good as the real deal, doesn't have updates, is glitchy, and w/e. It's like playing a beta version of the game. Except you wouldn't know that.
User avatar #111 to #82 - misticalz
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ok well your not gonna use
"A fair number of people buy it after they pirate "
in the court of law
LMFAO
User avatar #110 to #58 - misticalz
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intense bodyloveING IDIOT
User avatar #137 to #110 - derivat
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u wot m80? help me my big tittied mommy im scared
#104 to #13 - anon id: 8d3918d6
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The "I'm not stealing, I'm copying!" argument is weak as hell.

Do you now have a product you did not pay for? Will the developers of the product get any money? They may not have "lost" the product, but they have lost revenue and profit that they would get if the product was bought legally.

Selling the game means selling a copy of the game for money. You are getting a copy of the game for free and depriving developers of money. Ergo, you are stealing.

Get over it and be honest with you'reself.
User avatar #234 to #104 - spceinvdr
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no they havent because if i pirated it it means I didnt have the money to buy it. The argument that pirating=negative dollars is weak too. Do you think all the people who pirate it do it to be edgy? Or do you think it's because it's too expensive/ they can't afford it. And again, when you pirate the game most of the time it doesnt work quite right, so your not even getting the real thing. Usually if it's good enough people will buy thte real deal instead of using a broken copy. smh
#46 to #13 - hugebulliest
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You moron
#14 to #13 - ThunderChunderFrom
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User avatar #15 to #14 - spceinvdr
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how?
User avatar #16 to #15 - ThunderChunderFrom
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"Piracy isn't really stealing"... That's how.
User avatar #17 to #16 - spceinvdr
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it's barely stealing and even then as I will re-iterate now most of the times

1. the game you pirate doesn't work right, and if it's good ill buy it
2. The industry isn't being hurt rather than being helped by piracy
3. The music industry benefits from piracy because usually people who pirate dont just pirate the music, they will usually buy over priced merchandise, go to concerts, venues, etc.

Even if I'm wrong about the stealing thing, it's not as bad as everyone thinks it is, and even then these guys only hosted the website and never even really pirated anything (as far as we know).

Ill accept my red toes if thats what i get, but piracy is blown way out of proportion.
User avatar #18 to #17 - ThunderChunderFrom
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I'll use the game F.E.A.R. 2 as an example here.
The developer of F.E.A.R. is Monolith Games, who received funding from the Publishing company Warner Bro Games, who then also published it. When the game is released, it becomes the "Intellectual property" of both the developer, Monolith, and the publisher, WB Games.
When a person pirates the game, they are illegally gaining possession to the intellectual property of somebody else.
Theft- A criminal act in which property belonging to another is taken without that person's consent.

No matter which way you want to spin it, Piracy is theft, and distribution, or aiding in the distribution of stolen property is against the law.
#19 to #18 - boothead
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Actually here your wrong, Somebody serving prison time over a company losing money on something that wasn't a physical problem to being with is something that nobody should go through. The man who made MegaUpload, where is he at? Jail for life. Why? Because he made a p2p filesharing website where users exchanged data, nobody stole anything and somebody who didn't intend to fun the non-existent theft is suffering in prison. "It's the law" you say, if it was the law for midgets to break you're kneecaps with hammers and one decided to hug you and had the **** kicked out of him by police and sentenced to life in prison would you care? By you're logic no, you and you're busted kneecaps wouldn't give a **** because a that heartfelt midget broke the law. Explain why people deserve to be punished for an unjust, unbaised law.
User avatar #22 to #19 - ThunderChunderFrom
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Where did I say whether i think the punishment was unfair? I made no comment on people who have been supposedly jailed for no reason. All I'm saying it piracy is theft, and illegal.
I think your over-reacting... Where the hell did you get hammer wielding midgets from? haha
User avatar #35 to #22 - malinko
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I think hes talkin about slapchoppin
User avatar #37 to #35 - ThunderChunderFrom
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Oh. Why'd he reply to me then?
User avatar #39 to #37 - malinko
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because he's an idiot maybe?
#27 to #22 - boothead
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>Piracy is theft
What part of Pirating a song is stealing, when I am pirating it?
User avatar #28 to #27 - ThunderChunderFrom
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Well, in that case, even though you own said song, your distributing it unlawfully. Check copyright laws.
User avatar #29 to #28 - syntheticdoll
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That's distributing it unlawfully, not stealing, the 2 is not the same.
If my friend have a book I want to read and I take it from her when she's not looking it's stealing because I took someone else's belonging to myself. If I borrow her bokk and photocopy it that's piracy because I have the book but she still has her so I didn't steal anything.
User avatar #31 to #29 - ThunderChunderFrom
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Like I said, check copyright laws. Pirating can mean distributing or downloading. Technically, if you were to photocopy the entire book, yes you did steal. You took the intellectual property of someone else without paying for it.
User avatar #32 to #31 - syntheticdoll
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Stealing is taking the exact item, not copying it.
I'm not saying piracy is not a crime but it's NOT stealing.
How could I steal the book if it's still there?
#33 to #32 - ThunderChunderFrom
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"Intellectual property"... You are stealing the authors intellectual property.
User avatar #38 to #33 - malinko
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now I will agree with you on "piracy is theft" for intellectual property.

HOWEVER. those two guys never actually did any piracy. they only created the site that would link one person to another person to commit piracy.

with that logic, you might as arrest the people that make the phone book because it lists numbers of people that happen to be drug dealers. theoretically you could call someone randomly out of the phonebook and they could be a drug dealer and you buy drugs. and therefore the book book helped commit a crime in somewhat the same way the guys that created the pirate bay commit a crime.
User avatar #41 to #38 - ThunderChunderFrom
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Like I've said in my previous comments- I'm not making any comment on people that have been jailed for whatever reason. I don't know anything about those two people, or what they've been accused of doing, so I wont comment on that.
I'm just stating the laws that people think don't exist. I've pirated a lot of stuff, but I'm not denying that there are laws regarding the distribution and download of music, movies, games etc.

Imagine this. You decide to develop a game from scratch. You spend years creating a story, creating characters, maps, textures, items, creating codes, animations, dialogue etc. You finally finish it after months and months of hard work, blood, sweat and tears and say 50% of sales are lost because people have just pirated it. It's probably not a very realistic scenario, but just as an example.
I understand that games like CoD just keep recycling the same ****, but just say your an independent developer, and you and a small team have created a piece of art, because that's what games are. I'd feel great that people are enjoying it, don't get me wrong, But I would feel quite upset and a little angry if thousands of people had just stolen my product that I'd spent so much time and effort on.
User avatar #42 to #41 - malinko
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no. I completely understand. and I agree with you.

half the time though, the stuff that is pirated is like movies and music. I agree it is in fact a crime and is stealing. however i dont feel bad in the least when people do it because the people that its being stolen from are still filthy ******* rich and my ass spent most of my life just scrapping by.
User avatar #43 to #42 - ThunderChunderFrom
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Someone who gets it! haha
It just annoys me when people think that it's fine to download ****, then get angry when you tell them that there are laws.
#101 to #43 - boothead
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In Nazi Germany hiding a Jew from being taken away was breaking the law. Point being said anti-piracy laws are unjust and therefore are not laws, just bulldigestive end product measures rich people take so they don't lose an extra 25 cents.
User avatar #242 to #101 - ThunderChunderFrom
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I have said on numerous occasions, that I am making absolutely no comment on punishments for piracy. C'mon man, your making you'reself seem more and more stupid with every word.
User avatar #77 to #38 - xxdarkdanxx
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HOWEVER, as small counter-argument, pirate bay is the equivelent of a phonebook of only drug dealer, with the intent to show someone where to get some drugs
User avatar #40 to #38 - malinko
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I realize that my grammar in the comment was very ****** up. I am drunk.
User avatar #80 to #33 - Daeiros
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Intellectual property laws were created to protect inventors from having their ideas copied and marketed by existing companies. The purpose of those laws is to help encourage innovation by protecting the rights of the innovator to make money on their innovations for a limited time before eventually releasing the rights to these innovations so that society as a whole can benefit from them. These laws have been changed by the entertainment industry to protect everything they create forever so that they can sue someone for watching a 30 year old movie without paying for it.

to summarize for the lazy, copyrights are supposed to protect inventors temporarily so they can get rich off their inventions without fear of being out-marketed. Instead they now let big companies sue people forever.
#86 to #18 - alexanderh
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heh, no. That is not the legal definition of theft. The legal definition includes the intention of depriving the original owner of it permanently. Since your not actually taking anything away from him, your not stealing.
In fact, if you take a baseball bat from a store to use it for the afternoon, intending to take it back to the store the next day, your technically not stealing it. your borrowing without permission, but not stealing.
User avatar #20 to #18 - spceinvdr
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Even if it is" technically" a crime, and it's "stealing someone's intellectual property", do you really think it's acceptable to be fined up to 50,000 dollars per SONG you pirate, that it's acceptable for these men to go to jail for only hosting a website, for the crime to be so overdramaticized and painted in a picture that is completely opposite of the reality because people want to try and make as much money as possible, and count a pirated -insert here- as a loss? that just doesn't make sense. So yeah, I guess it is illegal. Doesn't mean it's not ******* stupid. It's like you didn't even see the links i posted. Piracy doesn't hurt the industry the way the industry wants you to think it does.
User avatar #21 to #20 - ThunderChunderFrom
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your missing the point I was trying to make. Piracy is theft, and it's illegal. I made no comment on whether I consider the punishment for these crimes justifiable, or whether it impacts the economy.
User avatar #23 to #21 - spceinvdr
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ok then fine. ITS ILLEGAL HOLY ****. Bout when you said all that you sounded like someone who masturbates to the police academy handbook, no offense. I get the point but holy hell i dont want to get it it because its stupid IMO
User avatar #25 to #23 - ThunderChunderFrom
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And theft is illegal.
User avatar #24 to #23 - ThunderChunderFrom
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Did I mention that piracy is theft?
#26 to #24 - spceinvdr
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alright fine you win. But that other guy is a fag for thinking they deserve all that
#70 to #20 - anon id: 77404dce
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It's illegal but its stupid. That's not the way the law works though you ave to follow all of them. I think it's stupid I cant intense bodyloveing shoot dumbasses like you in the face. But sadly I can't do that regardless of how much better off the world would be without you. Haha stupid law right.
User avatar #239 to #70 - spceinvdr
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wow thanks for the butthurt. I'd like to see you shoot me in the face for not liking some law. You sound like a fag.
#51 to #17 - cyberkite
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This is really not how it is always, most people that are actually fans of a band tends to get their cd, this is mostly the same people going to concerts, getting overpriced mech. many people often pirate a single song they like from or a single album, fans dedicaded to get mech, is often also dedicated to get the cd, unless they have spotify, or so.



And no the industry isen't always being helped by piracy, but piracy dosen't really hurt, it might help a bit for smaller artist but that's it. are we looking at video games youtube is the thing helping, piracy might help as a demo if you end up getting the game, but I there are better ways to work around this.
#47 to #16 - bobbel
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it isn't. you don't take their property away.
your just copying, making another one for you'reself.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4
User avatar #241 to #47 - ThunderChunderFrom
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Holy digestive end product. Are all you dumb asses clinically brain dead or something. You are stealing intellectual property!
User avatar #54 to #47 - teoberry
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Answer these two questions
a) Do you have the product?
b) Did you pay the company's established price for it?
#83 to #54 - alexanderh
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It is completely irrelevant whether you paid for the product or not. Pirating a game can NEVER be stealing. Here is the legal definition of stealing, for the purposes of a product:
"A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly."
That is taken from a british governmental website. The definition of theft includes the intention of permanently depriving the other of that item. If you pirate something, the seller doesn't lose a product key or activation key, so it is not stealing.

your wrong.
User avatar #190 to #83 - teoberry
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Oh yes, I forgot the British government sets the objective standard for what stealing is. Either way, they still deprive the company of the profits they would've made off of the sale. It's still stealing.
#194 to #190 - alexanderh
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That was just an example of a definition. The Swedish legal definition supports me much more, as the appropriation must lead to a direct financial loss. A lost potential sale is not a direct loss, so it is not stealing in Sweden. Also, Swedish law is much more relevant here, since the content was about the Pirate Bay founders.

On the other hand, I was wrong in the piracy can, in fact, be stealing in some countries. Denmark is one of them. In denmark, it's stealing if you do it for personal gain, and enjoyment is personal gain. But it is covered better by different laws, so you wouldn't be charged with theft in the case of piracy, but with piracy.

Basically, it would be very rare for you to be accused of theft, as there's a law that covers the subject much better in most countries.
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Right and wrong aren't subjective by country, I hope you realize. A lost sale is a direct loss. (Usually) $60 worth of goods has been obtained for free with no profit to the country. How is that not stealing?
#199 to #196 - alexanderh
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Okay, some misconceptions:
First off, a lost sale is not a provable direct loss. You cannot prove that the person would have bought the game if hadn't been able to pirate it, so it cannot be a provable loss. You have to prove that you lost money directly because the person pirated the game, and you cannot do that. It's just not possible.
Also, you said "with no profit to the country". That is wrong. Piracy doesn't hurt the economy as a whole, as you would spend the money anyway. I explained this in another post, and don't feel like repeating.
User avatar #200 to #199 - teoberry
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a) That makes no sense. They have a product they didn't pay for. How is that not a loss? You can prove it. The legal way to get games is to purchase them, since that's how our economy works. There is proof they have a product that they did not pay for
b) I meant company, not country.
#205 to #200 - alexanderh
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I'm not sure I can make this any simpler than I am.

You cannot prove that the person would have bought the game if it was impossible to pirate it.
If the game is impossible to pirate, there are two possible situations:
The person in question buys the game.
The person in question doesn't want to buy the game, for whatever reason, and doesn't buy the game.

You cannot know which option that person would choose, so you cannot prove, without a doubt, that the company in question incurred a loss there, as you cannot prove that they lost a sale.

Also, b): fair enough.
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Yes but even broken down it makes no sense, and I don't see why any of that matters

Person A wants game B from company C
If A purchases B, C makes their profit, A has their product
If A pirates B, C makes no money, but A has product
If A pirates and then purchases B, A has product and C still makes money
#210 to #206 - alexanderh
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But, consider this:
Person D wants game B from company C, but either cannot afford the game, or thinks it's too expensive.
person D wouldn't buy the game, because of whatever reason, so he pirates it.

Potentially, if the game is good enough, person D might even be convinced that the game is worth it and choose to buy it (happened to me a few times, actually).
User avatar #222 to #210 - teoberry
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intense bodylove, my response apparently didn't load. Anyways, I outlined that in the last scenario. D's reason for pirating doesn't matter, he still gets the product without authorization. How isn't that stealing? D gets B without C's permission.
#225 to #222 - alexanderh
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Because there's no provable loss in this case. i'm talking from a strictly legal point of view. So, legally, it's not theft, at least in Sweden. In Denmark, it is, but you would not be punished for theft but for piracy.
You always use the laws that apply best, and since there's a law for this specific scenario, we use that. Ergo, piracy is piracy, not theft.
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So it basically boils down to which country you're from is what your saying? Fair enough. I still believe it's objectively theft since they're taking something without permission, which is the usual basic definition of theft.
#228 to #226 - alexanderh
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Yes, it boils down to country, and in some cases states, as with pretty much all legal matters. For example, did you know that, in California, two people getting blackout drunk and having sex, is technically rape? As in, they are technically raping each other?

But in the case of the basic, common usage, of the word theft, yeah, you could easily argue that piracy is theft. But you could also easily argue that it isn't, especially if you quote laws. That's the entire reason we have legal definitions in the first place.

Personally, I consider piracy comparable to theft, but not quite as "bad".
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IT CANNOT DEPRIVE THE COMPANY OF PROFITS. Why would someone download a pirated copy of a game when they KNOW that

a) it will be outdated quickly and doesn't have updates
b) most of the time you can't play online because of cracked client detectors and other problems
c) its very glitchy and alot of the time it intense bodyloves up
d) doesn't include the full features of the game
e) doesn't include any product support if there is a problem
f) you could pay a little money and get the real deal that works perfectly with no issues

It's like a trial version. If it's good enough, usually a pirate will buy it. For example, I pirated garry's mod to TRY it. I liked the game, but because i pirated it there was no online, no dupes, and no addons. I couldn't do very much. So I downloaded the real version of the game, and paid for it from steam after I tried the game. I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't tried it. So really piracy of their game earned them 10 dollars from me. Not only that, but I also convinced my friend to buy it to play with him online. BAM they earned another 10 dollars thanks to me pirating it once. So you can intense bodylove off with that lost profits stuff, it's total horsedigestive end product.
#63 to #54 - bobbel
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A)yes
b)no

but still in fact it isn't stealing. not saying it isn't illegal or something.
User avatar #207 to #63 - teoberry
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You have their product without their authorization. How isn't that stealing?
#219 to #207 - bobbel
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it just isn't the definition of stealing. because you don't take away their stuff. it doesn't matter for them if you watch something with piracy or don't buy it all. in both ways they won't get money. if you download music for example, the artist doesn't lose any of his property. he probably won't even notice. (if you buy it afterwards because it's good digestive end product, it's only better for him.)
User avatar #220 to #219 - teoberry
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But what is the definition of stealing? A quick search says it's taking someone's property without permission or legal right. When you pirate, you get the product and they make no money. That's theft.
#227 to #220 - bobbel
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they aren't losing property. i wouldn't buy a lot of games i did pirate( it's just too expensive and most of the time i don't like them), so they aren't losing money.

User avatar #236 to #227 - teoberry
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Yes they are dumbass! You are getting a product without paying for it. They are still losing a potential $60 (or whatever). Stealing someting and saying you wouldn't have bought it anyways is not an excuse. That makes it worse. You are knowingly using their product without authorization and no mean to purchase. If everyone used that excuse, the media industry would be dead.
#247 to #236 - bobbel
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well i buy it when it's good( i think i buy more music for example than most people)

but it isn't stealing, it is illegal. for example when somebody bakes 10 cake's and wants to sell them for 10 $ and you bake exactly the same cake. did you steal their cake?
User avatar #248 to #247 - teoberry
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That analogy is flawed. When we're talking about companies, it's an original product with a copyright. A cake is not that. Try again.
#250 to #248 - bobbel
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yeah, but imagine that the cake was an origanil product with a copyright. and you just copy it for you'reself.
User avatar #251 to #250 - teoberry
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Then you just broke a copyright law and stole it.
#252 to #251 - bobbel
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yeah you broke the copyright law and that's illegal. but you didn't steal it.
User avatar #253 to #252 - teoberry
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....

that's what a copyright law is. To prevent theft of an idea. Either way the analogy doesn't work because in pirating you are using an original product without authorization, not creating a clone.
#256 to #253 - bobbel
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and you're making a clone btw
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When you pirate? No. It's still the original product.
#254 to #253 - bobbel
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Violation of a copyright is called infringement.
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I don't see you're point. you're analogy is still flawed.
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#75 - itscometothis
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They deserve to be put in prison. They've been given 1000 options to get out of it but they keep declining. It doesn't matter what they SAY the site is for, what matters is what it's ACTUALLY used for. Full disclosure, I pirate everything and love it. Still, legally speaking, there is no supporting them.
#125 to #75 - anon id: aba8a977
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You...
You are the final tier on the skill tree to retardation.
#84 to #75 - makotoitou
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"I like piracy and do it, but i think the people that enable my piracy should be put in jail"
#243 to #84 - itscometothis
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I also smoke cigarettes (and have done so for 5 years), but I don't agree to their use and would like to seem them globally banned. I'm ready for you're rage.
#185 to #84 - indianajoe
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In a way he has a point. By being a pirate, you use the things created by other people without supporting them.

Why should you show any support for anyone who works to do this? They chose their life, they knew the possible consequences. I'm not going to stand outside in the rain and protest for anyone's release. I'll just move on to the next pirate site.

It sounds harsh and hypocritical. But it's just as hypocritical to show support for the hard work of pirates. It goes against you're sense of morality, but the world isn't fair. Dog-eat-dog, every man for himself, etc, etc.
#245 to #185 - itscometothis
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And remember, they are only going to prison because they refuse to take the site down.
#244 to #185 - itscometothis
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There is nothing hypocritical about it. I'm not saying people who use torrents should go to prison. But it's hard to make a case for those who make it possible to do so in the first place. Do I pirate? Yes. Do I host a pirating site? No. So, yeah. In my mind, two different things.
#68 - mrpavelowgrimm
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I will seed all my torrents for a year in honor of these men.
#166 to #68 - anon id: eca2d4ee
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Repay all debts.

Or just be a massive prick and never seed.
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#65 - gtfomylawnbish
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vegan candy? As opposed to meat candy?
#67 to #65 - flapz
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A lot of candy contains gelatin which probably would be considered the animal part. So vegan free candy would be without gelatin. Now get that man some candy!
User avatar #259 to #67 - dtcdannyboy
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Also no milk chocolate
#79 to #67 - gtfomylawnbish
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Well now that's intense bodylovein interesting.
User avatar #152 - Kairyuka
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I remember Notch saying that piracy shouldn't be fought as an enemy, but as a competitor. That mentality would be an interesting standpoint for more people to take.
#71 - kiratheunholy
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>MFW all the moralfags in the comments saying "DURR HURR PIRACY BAADZ"