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During the aftermath of
Wrt, Search and Rescue
dogs found so few living
people, that it caused them
great stress because they
believed they had failed.
Handlers and Rescue
workers had to regularly
hide in the rubble in order
to give the rescue dogs a
successful find, and keep
their spirits up
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Submitted: 11/21/2013
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User avatar #106 - pikapikaa (11/22/2013) [+] (16 replies)
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When are people gonna shut the **** up about 9/11 seriously
User avatar #58 - tronbot (11/22/2013) [+] (5 replies)
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jesus christ who the **** cares if a dog felt like a failure its a ******* dog
#20 - Thebiggeorgy (11/22/2013) [-]
Thats sad
User avatar #4 - douthit (11/22/2013) [-]
sauce?
User avatar #65 to #4 - xdiabolicx (11/22/2013) [-]
Ya done walked right into that one.
User avatar #7 to #4 - defesede (11/22/2013) [-]
9/11
#31 to #7 - goldsignet (11/22/2013) [-]
zing
User avatar #8 to #7 - secretdestroyers (11/22/2013) [-]
Well.....I suppose.
User avatar #45 - darksideofthebeast (11/22/2013) [-]
If this is true, which I doubt it is.

That is the very opposite of a kickass fact, that is a sad ass fact.
User avatar #94 - douevensax (11/22/2013) [-]
Admin, please return the thumb ban. So many people are being retards.
User avatar #96 to #94 - takesomemorewater (11/22/2013) [-]
Hear hear.
User avatar #39 - commontroll (11/22/2013) [-]
That's not a fun or kickass fact. That is a horribly depressing fact.
#1 - anon (11/21/2013) [-]
That's not a kickass fact at all!
They had to do that because hundreds of people died.
#10 to #1 - kez (11/22/2013) [-]
Nearly 3000 to be exact.

Or less than 1/10 of the number of children under 5 who die every day in Africa

Yet no one seems to care about them for some reason...

Out of sight out of mind i suppose.
#11 to #10 - jakatackka (11/22/2013) [-]
Just because there are worse tragedies doesn't make the original one worthless.
#75 to #11 - Aftershock (11/22/2013) [-]
Agreed. But I do think it a little sad that so much thought is placed on a relatively small tragedy that has happened and is gone, when there are larger problems and tragedies ongoing that we don't spare a thought for.
#12 to #11 - anon (11/22/2013) [-]
"The original one"

YEAH IT'S NOT LIKE THE AFRICAN KIDS HAVE BEEN STARVING FOR A MUCH LONGER TIME
#13 to #12 - jakatackka (11/22/2013) [-]
Again, just because there are worse travesties than 9/11 doesn't make 9/11 meaningless. You don't see people saying mass starvation is meaningless because by god, countless trillions of animals have starved to death in the course of history, so who cares about a few million?

This is a really common logical fallacy, and people need to stop using it.
User avatar #17 to #13 - kievaughnb (11/22/2013) [-]
Speaking of logical fallacy, nice straw man you got there.
#27 to #17 - jakatackka (11/22/2013) [-]
Straw Man implies that proving a distorted version of an argument and proving it wrong, which proves the other form wrong. I'm not trying to prove the original argument wrong, I'm trying to disprove its form (x is worse than y, therefore y isn't bad/is meaningless) by showing that any ridiculous and clearly false argument can be made in that form, therefore the form is not sound.

Granted, I only proved the argument form to be invalid, not the specific argument itself, but it can be pretty easily inferred by anyone with half a brain that it too is false. However, this is an internet argument, not a formal logic class, so quite frankly I don't give a **** .
#32 to #27 - goldsignet (11/22/2013) [-]
i really dont get why some people dont get what youre saying... that is all
User avatar #25 to #12 - masdercheef (11/22/2013) [-]
Not quite; "The original one" as in the tragic happening that was originally referred to over the course of the argument. Being, in this case, 9/11.

I can appreciate the fact that you at least appear to be mindful of the fact that there are worse tragedies happening in the world than most people would be willing to admit. I'm not downplaying the severity of the deaths on 9/11 at all- it was truly a terrible event for all those involved- but when people act like it's the worst thing to happen to humanity within the last few decades while there's AIDS and civil war running rampant across Africa... it makes me wonder just what people actually care about.
User avatar #82 to #25 - hudis ONLINE (11/22/2013) [-]
People care about what's closest to them. It is known.

A few hundred years ago, sympathy and empathy generally extended no further than one's family or a close-knit village community. As urbanisation started progressing, the radius of what people cared about expanded to include workplaces, districts and counties, while the emergence of national identity as a concept in the 18th century (if I remember correctly) began to stretch it further to include more people of one's own culture and, later on, nation. Even now, 200 years later, it's evident that people find it difficult to sympathise with people in for example the Middle East - but they like to try, or at least pretend they do.
User avatar #46 to #12 - barsh (11/22/2013) [-]
i feel as if kez signed out and posted this... go down like a captain with their ship!
User avatar #40 to #10 - konradkurze (11/22/2013) [-]
******* die
boohoo, plenty more where that came rom
User avatar #28 to #10 - thewhitezombie (11/22/2013) [-]
Mass starvation is called population control. Artificially sustaining an overpopulated region with imported food will just cause the population to further inflate and only create a more dire situation in the future. They have plenty of undeveloped and wasted land, and if they could stop killing each-other for a few decades they might be able to make use of it.
User avatar #113 to #10 - sursum (11/22/2013) [-]
Because the child mortality rate of Africa didn't have the potential to be the impetus for a invasion.
User avatar #38 to #10 - curtkobain (11/22/2013) [-]
I feel like you didn't experience 9/11 and the changes that occurred.
#2 to #1 - thegamegestapo (11/21/2013) [-]
He's right you know.
He's right you know.
#16 to #2 - stgfilitov (11/22/2013) [-]
take this
#134 to #16 - thegamegestapo (11/22/2013) [-]
Thank you sir.   
   
Here, have this.
Thank you sir.

Here, have this.
User avatar #3 to #2 - srskate (11/22/2013) [-]
**** yall


especially you, ***********
#5 to #3 - shitposting (11/22/2013) [-]
**** you too :3
#6 to #5 - srskate (11/22/2013) [-]
I can't stay mad at you.
#137 - rabidaardvark (11/22/2013) [-]
now I feel worse for the dogs than I do for the people who died, damn them for not being alive for the dogs to find
now I feel worse for the dogs than I do for the people who died, damn them for not being alive for the dogs to find
User avatar #73 - nylak (11/22/2013) [-]
Okay, apparently this is actually somewhat true. One of the trainers I've worked with was the kennel manager for the NYPD at the time of 9/11, and we used this tactic on long searches occasionally, and it's not even an unusual thing.

Our dogs are trained to handle the search like a game; tracking dogs are basically trained by playing hide-and-seek, and with detection/area search dogs we use toys, play time and lures as a reward for finding an article or identifying a target scent. On long searches, dogs can quickly lose morale because they aren't being rewarded, and some animals with low drive can become confused because they're not sure if they're doing what you're asking and stop working. You can't reward them for just searching or tracking, or they think the search itself is the objective rather than the find.

Of course, there are always the champs that will hunt for hours without hesitation, even without any positive feedback, but not all dogs have that sort of work drive. One of my best human remains detection dogs is a pit bull who needs frequent positive reinforcement to stay focused on the job, but he's still one of the most reliable dogs I've got in terms of accuracy and efficiency. Those are the dogs more suited to area search and crime scenes rather than disaster relief like 9/11, but at the time they were taking all volunteers that could come quickly.
User avatar #157 to #73 - sanguinesolitude (11/22/2013) [-]
Its somewhat true in that they had to reward the dogs, but not that the dogs were getting overly stressed out, it was more that the dogs get fed up with the game and dont want to play it anymore. This makes it seem like the dogs are taking it personal that they arent finding people. When in fact they just are trying to win a game and get their toy.
User avatar #195 to #157 - nylak (11/22/2013) [-]
Well yeah, it's not like they actually understand what job they're doing. They just think it's great fun and that they're playing an elaborate game with their favorite human.

...Which actually kind of sucks. Since I mainly do human remains detection nowadays, whenever I trip across a corpse I have to get happy and peppy and jump around with excitement because my dog did a good job and requires praise for winning the find-the-dead-person game, even though most of the time it's just terribly depressing and I just want to give him a pat on the head and say "Yeah, yeah, good job, now let's go get you a chewie treat and get me a stiff drink."
#105 to #73 - jackii (11/22/2013) [-]
Thumbed because pitbulls
Thumbed because pitbulls
#196 to #105 - nylak (11/22/2013) [-]
Pit bulls are the best dogs ever. I work with a lot of German shepherd dogs, which are great in terms of versatility and trainability, but if you want a confident and reliable working partner and a fantastic friend, pits are the way to go, even if they require a bit more training time. They're so gung-ho and fearless they'll do the scenes that the other dogs balk at, which is invaluable.

...Even if we do get weird stares while working next to the shepherds, bloodhounds and labs. Whateva, we do what we want.
#170 - anon (11/22/2013) [-]
wow
such corpse
very feel
#150 - sharksloveme (11/22/2013) [-]
This really made me kind of sad, man.
This really made me kind of sad, man.
#142 - cthumoo ONLINE (11/22/2013) [-]
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#42 - ichies (11/22/2013) [-]
Oh for ***** sake, not only this sounds like a total bull, but again with the 9/11 faggotry. That's like the last thing in human history you should "never forget", or at least remember the unquestionably doubtful background of this whole thing. But no because dem 'feels'... **** you, I'll give you something to remember, which a lot of you might not even know:

"A need for new mass murder techniques was also expressed by Hans Frank, governor of the General Government, who noted that this many people could not be simply shot. "We shall have to take steps, however, designed in some way to eliminate them." It was this problem which led the SS to experiment with large-scale killings using poison gas. Christian Wirth seems to have been the inventor of the gas chamber."
"Johann Kremer, an SS doctor who oversaw the gassings, testified that: "Shouting and screaming of the victims could be heard through the opening and it was clear that they fought for their lives." When they were removed, if the chamber had been very congested, as they often were, the victims were found half-squatting, their skin colored pink with red and green spots, some foaming at the mouth or bleeding from the ears."

Sounds real now? It's not just "oh there were those nazis at some point and they killed like tens of millions of people with gas". And I'll give you another thing:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki
This guy, volunteered to get imprisoned in Auschwitz for the resistance, for 3 ******* years, get all the information resistance needed, and then escaped. I've read a book based on his memories from that time, that is something I'll never forget. This is the real hero.

It's been only ~70 years, that's just one lifetime, scary isn't it? You shouldn't just move on from such inhumanity, like it doesn't matter anymore.
#83 to #42 - anon (11/22/2013) [-]
What are you talking about? The hollocaust never happened...
User avatar #147 to #42 - revengeforfreeze (11/22/2013) [-]
If you think people talk much about 9/11, you should see how people are with gays here..

It's gays, gays, rights, rgihts, gay rights, rights gay, right handed gays, gays who are right in debate, right wing gays (although that's improbable)
User avatar #108 to #42 - harbingerwolf ONLINE (11/22/2013) [-]
"B-b-but..AMERICA!!"

Thats the logic you'll find you are up against.
User avatar #109 to #42 - ruebezahl (11/22/2013) [-]
You're absolutely right, but one thing that I see again and again and especially now with the JFK anniversary is that America is very adamant about being eternally sad about all their tragedies. America is still more sad and outraged about Pearl Harbor than the Japanese are about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. America is more upset about the Vietnam war than the Vietnamese are nowadays. And America will still be sad about 9/11 in a hundred years.

It took Europe to take just a few decades to reconcile after WW2 and countries which had been arch enemies for hundreds of years, countries which have fought against each other, humiliated each other, raped each other's women and killed each other's children, burned each other's cities to the ground and took each other's lands are now friends or are at least able to coexist as friendly neighbors. Yet, America will "never forget".
#118 to #42 - sursum (11/22/2013) [-]
Please tell me again how the holocaust has been forgotten until you so heroically brought it up in a completely unnecessary post dripping in self righteousness. I was unaware that every memorial on the face of this earth has been expunged and all government and non government institutions promoting its remembrance and preservation were suddenly closed. I was also blissfully ignorant of the ironically systematic killing of all those with any connection to the holocaust, being survivors of and their relatives including anyone they came into contact with. Oh wait a 			*******		 second you seem to have linked me to a website with a profusion of pages dedicated to the preservation of such knowledge. Not only this but quick searches have reveled to me that all memorials, institutions and people associated with the holocaust are still in existence.   
   
Just because we aren't giving every living moment of our being to the remembrance of what is, while certainly a horrific moment of history, not the only moment of tragedy, doesn't mean that it has been forgotten. unfortunately other events have occurred before and after the holocaust that warrant our remembrance in union with the holocaust.
Please tell me again how the holocaust has been forgotten until you so heroically brought it up in a completely unnecessary post dripping in self righteousness. I was unaware that every memorial on the face of this earth has been expunged and all government and non government institutions promoting its remembrance and preservation were suddenly closed. I was also blissfully ignorant of the ironically systematic killing of all those with any connection to the holocaust, being survivors of and their relatives including anyone they came into contact with. Oh wait a ******* second you seem to have linked me to a website with a profusion of pages dedicated to the preservation of such knowledge. Not only this but quick searches have reveled to me that all memorials, institutions and people associated with the holocaust are still in existence.

Just because we aren't giving every living moment of our being to the remembrance of what is, while certainly a horrific moment of history, not the only moment of tragedy, doesn't mean that it has been forgotten. unfortunately other events have occurred before and after the holocaust that warrant our remembrance in union with the holocaust.
User avatar #145 to #118 - ichies (11/22/2013) [-]
You don't get, do you. Only because memorials exist, doesn't mean people aren't ignorant ***** . Call it self righteousness or whatever you want, but the guy I linked to, and all the other heroes like that, deserve to be at least known, deserve to be talked about, did you know the guy even? Do you know that German newspapers (and in one or two instances, a US one if I remember correctly), are calling Auschwitz or other nazi camps that were uphold in Poland, polish ones? The world, and most of it's people are letting it happen. If no one speaks up about it, at some point the perception of that part of our history will simply change.

Just a little fact, nazi death toll was roughly 21000000, 9/11 was 3000, that's like, the twin towers tragedy happening each and every day, for over 19 years, talk about 'events'. Do you see the difference in that? It's mind blowing, and yet we see the exact opposite in peoples interest. The sad thing is, the "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" is clear as a day in this situation. But that doesn't mean I am going to just accept it, and just like this content about 9/11, I have the right to speak out my mind about priorities, and maybe give the younger ones, something to think of.
#161 to #145 - sursum (11/22/2013) [-]
Isn't that the whole point of a memorial? To educate people on the events they represent? Incidentally I did know of the man, i grant you that this is through my own interest in history rather than general knowledge. Your whole effort is seemingly to promote the remembrance of the heroics of certain people during the holocaust and the correct remembrance for the event itself. This in itself is perfectly reasonable and i encourage it yet you do it by belittling the event that the content here refers to. your almost blaming people for remembering the death of 3000 people, getting angry that they don't simply just shrug it off and say "well it could be worse, you know there was this thing called the holocaust 70 or so years ago...". That inst how remembrance works, just because this content remembers 9/11 doesn't mean that its poster, its viewers or Americans in general aren't aware of one of the more monumental events of the past century, that's possibly the worst assumption in the history of man. surely tragic events involving mass loss of life shouldn't have to be graded on a scale of importance, having their death tolls graded against others and then given a level of memorial priority. I don't argue with your decision to ensure the education of the holocaust, i argue with the fact that you callously disregard anything else as 'faggotry'.
Isn't that the whole point of a memorial? To educate people on the events they represent? Incidentally I did know of the man, i grant you that this is through my own interest in history rather than general knowledge. Your whole effort is seemingly to promote the remembrance of the heroics of certain people during the holocaust and the correct remembrance for the event itself. This in itself is perfectly reasonable and i encourage it yet you do it by belittling the event that the content here refers to. your almost blaming people for remembering the death of 3000 people, getting angry that they don't simply just shrug it off and say "well it could be worse, you know there was this thing called the holocaust 70 or so years ago...". That inst how remembrance works, just because this content remembers 9/11 doesn't mean that its poster, its viewers or Americans in general aren't aware of one of the more monumental events of the past century, that's possibly the worst assumption in the history of man. surely tragic events involving mass loss of life shouldn't have to be graded on a scale of importance, having their death tolls graded against others and then given a level of memorial priority. I don't argue with your decision to ensure the education of the holocaust, i argue with the fact that you callously disregard anything else as 'faggotry'.
User avatar #165 to #145 - sanguinesolitude (11/22/2013) [-]
what about the death of the natives in the new world when colonists came over? as many as 10 million are believed to have died.

How about the armenian genocide in WWI where an estimated 1.8 million armenians were killed or deported from Turkey.

2 million killed in the cambodian genocide.

how about the immense deaths within the soviet union?

Why do you not mention these? Why only the holocaust? I mean this post had nothing to do with the holocaust, and yet you found it necessary to bring up, yet callously ignored all other horrific events from history. I mean what about the asteroid killing the dinosaurs, surely nothing as horrific has occured in millenia.
User avatar #176 to #165 - dsrtpnk (11/22/2013) [-]
I think there's already memorials for all of those events. And depending on who you speak to, they'll choose which tragedy to bring up first.
User avatar #178 to #176 - sanguinesolitude (11/22/2013) [-]
that was my point. Just like 9/11 is all some people think about, other tragedies affect others differently. If you are armenian you probably think of that which affected your kind, if you are jewish, the holocaust, etc.

In many ways small tragedies hit us harder than large ones, because 6 million people is unimaginably large. two office buildings, like many of our friends and neighbors work in, being destroyed hits us hard because its so understandable. we can clearly imagine 3000 people going through their normal daily life and being killed indiscriminately. Stalin is sometimes credited as saying "one death is a tragedy, one million is just a statistic," and regardless who said it, there is some truth to our capacity to imagine tragedy on that scale. In the US 9/11 is still relatively fresh in our minds. I remember being in art class and having had a tv wheeled in so we could watch the news that morning, this was when just the first plane had hit. We were watching as the second plane hit, as people jumped from the windows to their death, and as the towers fell. Its a powerful image stuck in our collective conscience, and resonates in a way that black and white footage and stories from another time and place just don't. Now that certainly isnt saying we should ignore other tragedies, but allow us our tragedy.

clearly it wasn't that huge of a tragedy in comparison to others, but a healthy person does not compare tragedies trying to "win." Its like saying, "oh your mom just died? well 6 million people died during the holocaust, so really you shouldn't be sad."
#116 to #42 - anon (11/22/2013) [-]
they were both very large tragedies and neither should be taken lightly. the holocaust was near infinitely larger though. We are a progressive people, and we have to move on from what has happened, but just because we move on, doesn't mean we forget.
User avatar #146 to #116 - ichies (11/22/2013) [-]
I once found out, that there are people out there, especially in US, that maybe heard a little about it, but didn't really bother to even look it up, and the only thing they really knew was that "if it wasn't for USA you would be speaking German now". That's just unacceptable and it itches me so damn hard, the ignorance.
User avatar #166 to #146 - sanguinesolitude (11/22/2013) [-]
anyone who went through school has learned about wwII, we have tons of movies and tv shows and video games about it. Its far from forgotten in the American conscience.

But yeah, if the US hadnt joined the fight it is unlikely Britain, France, or any of the allies aside from USSR would have remained unoccupied, and certainly the holocaust would have continued. We dont take full credit, and we honor the insane sacrifices paid by allied soldiers, but ignoring the pivotal role the US played in bringing WWII to a close is just silly.

P.s. just because you hear of some idiot who doesnt know anything about history, doesnt mean that is particularly common.
User avatar #95 - takesomemorewater (11/22/2013) [-]
I'm so ******* tired of seeing this doge **** ...it was really funny at first, I'll admit that, but now it's just plane sorry annoying..
#15 - eviltwin (11/22/2013) [-]
Comment Picture
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User avatar #18 - KayRed (11/22/2013) [-]
that's horrifyingly adorable (or is it adorably horrifying?).
#68 - zomaru (11/22/2013) [-]
Only dog thing I have.
#124 to #68 - greenthegunstar (11/22/2013) [-]
I don't want to feel that feel anymore!

Too late, already feelin it
#136 to #124 - rabidaardvark (11/22/2013) [-]
here, hold this
#151 to #68 - anon (11/22/2013) [-]
#155 - sanguinesolitude (11/22/2013) [-]
Well technically its not because the dogs are getting depressed, but because they get a reward when they find a body. Basically to the dogs they are just playing a fun game, and if you make the dog play the game for hours without "winning" it gets bored and doesn't want to play anymore. Its like a kid playing hide and seek, after awhile the fun wears off and you just feel like an idiot looking in sheds and under bushes if you dont find anyone.   
   
Its not like the dogs actually care about finding people or bodies, that's just what they've been trained on. Kind of like how dogs who search for drugs don't actually care about drugs, they just know finding them is the object of the game. So the handlers will hide and the dog can find them and get his toy, which gets him all pumped up again.
Well technically its not because the dogs are getting depressed, but because they get a reward when they find a body. Basically to the dogs they are just playing a fun game, and if you make the dog play the game for hours without "winning" it gets bored and doesn't want to play anymore. Its like a kid playing hide and seek, after awhile the fun wears off and you just feel like an idiot looking in sheds and under bushes if you dont find anyone.

Its not like the dogs actually care about finding people or bodies, that's just what they've been trained on. Kind of like how dogs who search for drugs don't actually care about drugs, they just know finding them is the object of the game. So the handlers will hide and the dog can find them and get his toy, which gets him all pumped up again.
User avatar #164 to #155 - indecisivejew (11/22/2013) [-]
That's true to an extent, and applies completely to drug dogs because in that case the dogs are actually trained by using drug-covered chew toys so that they can learn by association, but you'd be hard pressed to prove that they "don't actually care about helping people". Dogs have been shown in studies to show sympathy at injured and crying people, and many believe that they also show empathy, although there is no real way to prove it.
User avatar #167 to #164 - sanguinesolitude (11/22/2013) [-]
I wasn't meaning to suggest dogs don't care, just that their stress isn't really related to their feeling sad for the people. Certainly the cadaver dogs arent looking for the remains out of an abiding love for dead people, its because thats what they are trained and rewarded to find. Dogs, and most animals, certainly can sense pain and hurt in others and generally do not like it.

I love dogs, but come on they are still just relatively dumb animals.
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