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College then and now

How to get into college in 1983:
get good grades
How get into college in 2013:
get good grades, speak six
languages, be a rocket
scientist, and end world hunger
How to pay for college 1983: Work
part time and summers. Maybe
take em minimal leans.
How to pay for college 2013:
Which of your organs is the most
valuable?
What to do with your degree in 1983:
work in your field
What to do with your degree in 2013:
cry
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User avatar #6 - alalalalal (07/15/2014) [-]
"Oh no, my liberal arts degree isn't getting me any decent work!"
User avatar #9 to #6 - goldenfairy (07/15/2014) [-]
I think you mistyped "Wimyn studiez"
#17 to #9 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
What has to go through a girls mind to actually write up in womyn studyz, is it like retarded or extremely naive to think that the most useless degree of all can actually get a job? But even so, do those jobs EVEN EXIST? "Hm i think i want to go to post-it notes color selection studies, I bet this will bring me an awesome and instant job"
User avatar #19 to #17 - goldenfairy (07/15/2014) [-]
Would have to figure what that program teaches.

Found this on one of university's website: "To major in women's studies, a student must take a minimum of ten courses". I've had that many courses in all 7 semesters. Some lasted more than 1 semester so it makes 50 or so courses. Why they have only 1/6 workload?

Anyways, it seems to teach a bit history, politics & other crap. Too broad to be useful anywhere.
#267 to #17 - Rascal (07/16/2014) [-]
Well think about it. Someone have to design those commercials, someone has to work the museums, someone has to be art teachers, someone has to do those identikits. There are is a certain need for artists, it's just a big enough demand to go for it if you are interested in art. Might be a good choice if you are filthy rich and is very interested in it though.
User avatar #158 to #9 - Yardie (07/15/2014) [-]
Womyn Studies is a Liberal Art major.
User avatar #10 to #9 - alalalalal (07/15/2014) [-]
Damn auto correct
#51 - ineedthistothumb (07/15/2014) [-]
If you have a passion for something, that is what you should do for a living. There are several reasons why people don't do this:

1. "That's a great hobby, but what are you going to do for your career?" Hobbies are confused with passions. The best way to describe the difference is that hobbies are something you do when you have time; passions are something that you make time for.

2. "Work is work, and play is play." People have the idea that you're not allowed to enjoy your job; a job is for making money so you can live. If you ever have free time, then you can do things you enjoy. Maybe it's a pride thing, maybe it's a jealousy thing, I'm not sure. It doesn't make sense to me. "If you find a job that you love, you'll never work a day in your life."

3. "You'll never make any money doing that!" This is because most people's passions will lead to nontraditional job. The sad truth is that not everyone will become a rock start. But that doesn't mean you can't make a living out of it. I have friends that support themselves just fine by playing guitar and singing in small clubs. Society feels that if you're not in an upper-middle class home, then you are not succeeding. This can open up an entirely new discussion, so as not to digress, I will leave it by saying the cliche, "money can't buy happiness."

4. "I agree with all that, but my passion is too obscure. I can't find a job!" Well then stop looking and make one! The best way to respond to this is by a real life example of a good friend. I have a friend that actually said that video games are his passion. You might think of a neckbeard, but I promise he's not. He is setting up a non-profit video game lounge, that will have all kinds of nerd culture in a comfortable space. It is specifically in the inner city to create a place where teenagers can do the things they want to do and stay off the streets. Even if your passion is something very obscure, you can make a career out of it.

TL;DR, do what you want to do
#89 to #51 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
I have a rather new found passion for learning languages, but I'm not sure if I should be a teacher, translator etc. Anyone have two cents to spare?
#193 to #89 - marionettis (07/15/2014) [-]
That's what I'm doing  I'm becoming a translator and planning on working in Japan (Japanese is my favorite foreign language). You can also do freelance translating and charge 2 cents / word, etc. You can also be an interpreter, which is the same as a translator but with spoken language instead of written. You would be translating conversations between people in real-time.   
   
You can also become an English teacher in a foreign country, or even in your home country teaching a foreign language at a High School. There are plenty of of opportunities, and being multilingual always helps when securing a job in any field. People love those who can speak multiple languages!
That's what I'm doing I'm becoming a translator and planning on working in Japan (Japanese is my favorite foreign language). You can also do freelance translating and charge 2 cents / word, etc. You can also be an interpreter, which is the same as a translator but with spoken language instead of written. You would be translating conversations between people in real-time.

You can also become an English teacher in a foreign country, or even in your home country teaching a foreign language at a High School. There are plenty of of opportunities, and being multilingual always helps when securing a job in any field. People love those who can speak multiple languages!
#170 to #89 - vytros (07/15/2014) [-]
My bet is also on translator, a teacher from my school went to a car-rental company (note that in my country teachers' pay is **** , absolute **** ) to translate for german customers, and basically is getting money for talking and doing a relatively easy job.

She's also taking some course on team management or some **** and once she's done with that, she can get extra money for listening to co-workers problems and work and giving a cliché advice how to solve them.
User avatar #140 to #89 - fuckingdaltonapple (07/15/2014) [-]
If you have a passion for learning languages, going for a translator for a company would be a great job. If you can't find a job like that, and you don't mind annoying little cretins (or as others call them: kids), you could be a teacher.

#175 to #51 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
Hello, long story short I have film education, haven´t found a job with it, but now taking action to create my own studio/film business.

I hope it goes well, thanks for good words, I agree.
#3 - hudge (07/15/2014) [-]
>Go to Technical school
>Learn a trade
>Actually be in demand
>Get money
>Watch collegefags cry because "Muh dgreez"
>Watch sides enter orbit
#119 to #3 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
Guys just get the certifcation for a RED camera and your set.
User avatar #127 to #3 - mollethecooldude (07/15/2014) [-]
do you live in the us?
#290 to #127 - hudge (07/16/2014) [-]
Yes.
#148 to #3 - weldexplain (07/15/2014) [-]
Especially when the tech school is attached to last two years of your high school years. Costs you nothing and getting a job in your field. Welding master race.
User avatar #208 to #3 - furiousmarshmellow (07/15/2014) [-]
I'd like some fries with that comment.
#289 to #208 - hudge (07/16/2014) [-]
Then go bother an English Major. I've been employed in my career field for 5 years now.
#213 to #3 - kanaka (07/15/2014) [-]
Tech. school 4 life
#250 to #3 - tunit (07/15/2014) [-]
CNC trade school for me!
#5 to #3 - bann (07/15/2014) [-]
If you went into trade and got a job, I applaud you. The job market is no easier for any trade really though.
User avatar #262 to #3 - kideezy (07/16/2014) [-]
but then earn 40k for the next 40 years of your life
User avatar #312 to #3 - wholesomeburn (07/17/2014) [-]
I joined in a technical school for aviation repair... I got called as soon as I graduated and I missed like 300+hours of class.
#241 to #3 - plasticcup (07/15/2014) [-]
But i want to live my dream to be a singing sailor.
But i want to live my dream to be a singing sailor.
#82 to #3 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
>Go to Technical School
>Learn a trade
>Not be in demand because illegals work for half as much as you
Why yes sir, I would like fries with that.
#292 to #82 - hudge (07/16/2014) [-]
All the Mexicans are to busy keeping the grounds where I work nice and pretty for me and the customers.
#203 to #3 - captainwow (07/15/2014) [-]
>Go to trade school
>Get mediocre job I don't want
>Work at it for the rest of my life.
#7 to #3 - meierme (07/15/2014) [-]
My best friend and I got out of the marines at almost exactly the same time, he went to a technical college to be a mechanical engineering tech or some digestive end product like that I went to a university to get my bachelors in Mechanical Engineering. We both spent about the same amount of time in school I had to do a little bit more and got two different jobs at about the same time. He started at 46k a year I started at 55k a year. His projected income after 20 years is 88k-105k a year my projected income for where I live after 10 years is 110k a year. We both had the benefit of having the whole four years payed for via the GI bill and voc rehab i just decided to go the harder rout.
So don't tell me a degree is worthless unless you get it in art or some other useless digestive end product you just have to get off you're lazy ass and look Also be willing to relocate
#13 to #7 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
go cougs!
#33 to #7 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
>4 years paid for
>Lucky enough to be good at a subject that gets him an in-demand skill
>Army experience
>Able to relocate, unlike people who may have to look after other people in their life

Wow, sure, it was nothing but hard work that got you where you are.

Get your head out of your ass. I really cannot stand it when people ignore the lucky circumstances that got them where they are in life in favour of saying "oh well, it was all hard work that got me here, too bad other people don't work as hard as me "
#77 to #33 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
Ha. I did 4 years in the navy and I'm just starting school now. I would love it if you could explain to me why it was lucky that I came a poor household with less than 30k a year for a family of 5 and enlisted in the ******* military? I'm pretty sure anyone who isn't disabled can do the exact same thing. If you can't join the military for whatever reason and you live in the USA then you can get fafsa (AKA a pell grant) and go to community college for 2-4 years for free. THEN if you decide to you can get student loans for your last 2 years if you want to transfer to a university to get your BA or BS, all the while still using fafsa for books, making a small dent in loan payment, etc. You don't have to make over 100k a year, you can pick all kinds of stuff to do and have a very nice life. I can't imagine a single scenario where you cant improve your life, It's an individuals choice.
TL/DR: Get over yourself fagit.
#75 to #33 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
Military service isn't luck, you retard.
User avatar #72 to #33 - demcupcakes (07/15/2014) [-]
nigg.er you think its complete luck on what your good at in school do you ******* jack off all day instead of study?
#73 to #33 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
Wow you are retarded. Joining the army isn't hard work? Nothing is stopping you from joining the army and receiving the same benefits ******* . And don't go oohh dur hur I am a gimp and physically incapable of being in the military. There are plenty of non combat positions in the military. Just because it is a lifestyle you aren't willing to commit to don't fool yourself into thinking it is easy or 'less' work ******* . BTW I'm not even in the military and have no interest in being a part of it at all, and I still think you are a cunt. I know someone whose father abused him, who had little money, and who was diagnosed with depression and joined the Navy, that is not a lucky circumstance.
User avatar #309 to #33 - meierme (07/16/2014) [-]
you are literately too stupid to insult so let me enlighten you instead;
>its more like 3 years payed for, the rest of the time was because i have 80% disability. hence the voc rehab
>luck has nothing to do with being good at something, you keep doing it until your good
>i was in the marines not the army, as stated above
>i came from a very poor family and we moved twice a year not because military my whole life, it can easily be done. I've lived in 23 states.

yes it was nothing but hard work and dedication that got me here

get your head out of your ass. i really cant stand when people are so ignorant about life that they make up circumstances about other people to provide excuses as to why they are a lazy piece of **** .
#295 to #33 - trickstyle (07/16/2014) [-]
People like to think that they worked hard for what they have.

If he, under any circumstances, was born in a third world country, he wouldn't have chances for any of that.

And yet again, if he were born into a tribe in Amazon, he'd have no idea how bread tastes.

You are right, but your perspective is wrong.
User avatar #56 to #3 - PubLandlord (07/15/2014) [-]
try and earn 3x minimum wage
User avatar #4 to #3 - godtherapist (07/15/2014) [-]
I agree, trades are where it's at. Unless you are already rich.
#261 to #3 - Rascal (07/16/2014) [-]
Absolutely agree. Went IBEW apprenticeship route. Free education,solid wages (so far at $70k this year, not rich just very comfortable), job security, excellent health care and retirement, actually in demand (open calls at the hall everyday), not cooped up in an office all day. Why would you not become a tradesman?
#157 to #3 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
>Everybody taking Liberal Art majors
>Complaining about nojobs
>MFW Computer Science degree

LODS OF JOEBS
User avatar #240 to #157 - fukkendragonite (07/15/2014) [-]
>Job satisfaction
>I don't want to work in computer science
#259 to #240 - Rascal (07/16/2014) [-]
I enjoy being a plumber, anddddddddd making bank.
User avatar #268 to #259 - TheFagRobot (07/16/2014) [-]
I'm an architect, I make bank(s).
#98 - mattdoggy (07/15/2014) [-]
>be out of 2 year community college trying to go to a uni nearby
>it's FSU and is well respected and if i sell blood, sperm, and organs i might can afford a semester or two
>as i'm in the final stages of finishing up i get a letter from a more expensive and more prestigious university for a full ride
>free food, shelter, and education and they even offer me a scooter to get around on
>i ignore it and think it's a scam letter or something where a condition has to be met
>after a lot of reading and an email or two i find it's legit and i go to the college to meet with the dean of admissions
>when i get there he looks surprised to see me and looks at some papers and then sighs
>"well i hate to do this but i'm afraid we had a mix up. There was a fault in our papers and we won't be able to accept you at this time"
>i ask to see the papers and see the mistake
>Race: [ ] Asian [x]African American [ ] Caucasian etc.
>youjusthatemebecausei'mwhite.nignogfrigfrog
>mfw he offers to call the dean of admissions from an all black college to get me a free ride there
User avatar #108 to #98 - comandante ONLINE (07/15/2014) [-]
I'm from South Florida attending Miami-Dade...plz tell me you are ******* joking.
User avatar #109 to #108 - mattdoggy (07/15/2014) [-]
Afraid not
Apparently Famu will give you a free ride some times just for being white
User avatar #111 to #109 - comandante ONLINE (07/15/2014) [-]
Wait, so two questions. One, are you black beinging denied entry, or are you white. two, how to you know for sure it was your race?
User avatar #114 to #111 - mattdoggy (07/15/2014) [-]
I figured i was getting a free ride because on the paperwork they thought i was black, and they had circled the race section in red sharpie so it was just a subtle hint.
Colleges have to have a certain quota of individuals of certain races, if they fall below that number or percentage then they get fines or lose perks. Colleges with mostly white kids will invite African american students to attend for free to diversify their student base. Colleges established specifically for blacks have to have a few token white guys to avoid being labeled a racist school
User avatar #117 to #114 - comandante ONLINE (07/15/2014) [-]
i did know about the quota some schools need, but god damn. Dude if i was you i would go the news and **** , i know its a well known fact that schools do this **** but wtf, i would have kicked that guy square in the nuts. What are you planning on studying?
User avatar #123 to #98 - nigeltheoutlaw (07/15/2014) [-]
Go to the all black college dude. Free ride is a free ride, and you can meet some cool gentlemen of color.
#132 to #98 - followtheworms (07/15/2014) [-]
Dude, did this happen recently? If so, raise ******* hell about that. I'm pissed off for you. THAT is the racism that runs rampant in the US.
User avatar #135 to #132 - mattdoggy (07/15/2014) [-]
it happens all the time
it's an old law that used to keep whites from discriminating against blacks, but now it's just used to get government perks
#138 to #135 - followtheworms (07/15/2014) [-]
Yeah, I know, but I would make them sorry they ever did that. We're all equal now, so that **** needs to go. Same thing happened to Abigail Fisher applying for UT, and she was even within the top 10% of her class.

You're being discriminated against because you're white.
User avatar #143 to #138 - mattdoggy (07/15/2014) [-]
it sucks but it is just how the system works
I did get a good letter of recommendation for my current university and another letter if i want to go anywhere else. It's not much but i'll take what i can get
#122 - empithree (07/15/2014) [-]
> dropped out of school because videogames   
> started programming for fun   
> started programming for small cash.   
> found full-time job as a web service and Identity management developer for an Oracle's partner.   
> Loaded in cash. no time to play videogames.   
			***********		!
> dropped out of school because videogames
> started programming for fun
> started programming for small cash.
> found full-time job as a web service and Identity management developer for an Oracle's partner.
> Loaded in cash. no time to play videogames.
*********** !
#233 to #122 - chrispoot (07/15/2014) [-]
Look on the bright side bro, atleast you can play ********* all you want when you retire, unless you die before then, well, then you're ******
#221 - peggscott (07/15/2014) [-]
Scotland 2014

How to get into university - get good grades, maybe a wee bit of volunteer work to stand out from the crowd

How to pay for university - Don't worry about it, the Government does that for you

**** also looks like something out of Harry Potter...
#225 to #221 - sjrigney (07/15/2014) [-]
****		 you Scotland  I'm jelly
**** you Scotland I'm jelly
User avatar #229 to #221 - becauseoprahsaidso (07/15/2014) [-]
I want to go to Hogwarts
#231 to #229 - peggscott (07/15/2014) [-]
Its as close as I'm going to get to Hogwarts... I start in 8 weeks...
User avatar #293 to #231 - cheatmasterjunk (07/16/2014) [-]
Strathclyde student here. Not exactly Hogwarts, but still pretty awesome.
User avatar #273 to #221 - cards (07/16/2014) [-]
Downside is you have to live in Scotland! Har har har
#65 - robuntu (07/15/2014) [-]
I dunno what this post is about. It has never been easier to get into college.

Maybe it's more competitive if you are going for a top 10 University....but if you just want to go to college, you can.
User avatar #215 to #65 - demigodofmadness (07/15/2014) [-]
Right? Even people who got a GED can get into community college.

I don't like the other point as well, there are so many opportunities for internships/co-ops that your college will help you find, job fairs. If you put in a little effort you can get a job with your degree easily, as long as you don't have some ****** liberal arts degree.

So basically, don't be a retard or make poor choices and college, and a job suited to your degree are easily reached.
#144 - lorkhan (07/15/2014) [-]
Living in Scandinavia which has free education.
Living in Scandinavia which has free education.
User avatar #242 to #144 - duedum (07/15/2014) [-]
i know, right? It feels so good, mang
#272 to #144 - jippythebandit (07/16/2014) [-]
Another nice thing is that you can actually USE things such as art degrees...
#181 to #144 - wraithguard (07/15/2014) [-]
Tax payer funded actually. But that's beside the point. The method of payment isn't the cause of its cost. The real differences are the underlying factors that determine its cost, not how you pay for it.
#271 to #181 - Rascal (07/16/2014) [-]
So what? That only keeps the rich from becoming filthy rich and the poor from becoming filthy peasants. Education for those who want it, not olny for those who can afford it.

#276 to #271 - wraithguard (07/16/2014) [-]
I'm just saying that having a fully taxpayer-funded education is not inherently cheaper.
User avatar #285 to #276 - zedong (07/16/2014) [-]
It is cheap for poor students, then you pay it back as a taxpayer when you have a high educated job, that gives you the possibility to pay for education when you finally have money, and don't need to sell your left kidney to become a surgeon. Yes, you don't pay for "your" education, but you pay for the good of everyone, like taxpayers don't pay for the building of only the roads they intend to use, but everyone pays for everything

TLDR;
Student= No money => No pay for education
Worker= Yes money => Yes pay for education
#287 to #285 - wraithguard (07/16/2014) [-]
Just hold on second. You and I aren't even in the same argument. I am NOT saying that taxpayer-funded education is a bad thing. I AM saying that it is not cheaper purely by the virtue of being payed for through taxes. The method of payment does not determine its cost. I AM NOT ARGUING ABOUT WHICH METHOD IS BETTER. I am saying that in terms of the total price of the service of education, the method of payment matters very little.
User avatar #209 to #181 - jewishcommunazi (07/15/2014) [-]
Free education is tax payer funded, otherwise there wouldn't be free education at such a significant scale.
#253 to #209 - wraithguard (07/15/2014) [-]
Did I not just say that it was taxpayer funded? I'm making the point that the method of payment isn't what determines the cost.
#54 - recoveryone (07/15/2014) [-]
Here's how I'm doing it:
>joined Navy Reserves as a Master at Arms(training looked like fun)
>8 year contract
>6 year active drilling(1 weekend a month, 2 weeks in summer)
>2 year inactive(no drilling, but still can be deployed)
>acquire multiple college credits from technical school
>put credits I don't use towards electives
>attend uni of my choice
>decent portion of University payed for
>sent to or request a 1 year all expense paid vacation to Somalia or some other wretched hive of scum and villainy
>fight pirates for 11.50 an hour for a year with all my **** paid for because I'm on deployment
>come home
>finish college
#315 to #54 - valadezization (07/20/2014) [-]
doing the same, except going active in marine corps and going to do school on base.
#316 to #54 - valadezization (07/20/2014) [-]
how long have you been in? and how's it been like so far? you like it?
User avatar #318 to #316 - recoveryone (07/20/2014) [-]
I leave for basic August 19th. But with little experience I have, with the guys at my recruiting station and MEPS, it's been pretty good. Got the exact job I wanted, got knocked up 2 pay grades, got shown a bunch of training videos. I work out there 3 times a week, 2 swimming, 1 land. The land PT is fairly difficult(not as bad as Marine Corps PT though). If you message me after August 19th, I won't get it until I get back, but once I do I'll tell you about basic.
#319 to #318 - valadezization (07/20/2014) [-]
ah. i thought you were already in the navy. I'm leaving to bootcamp august 25th. it was supposed to be 11th, but i changed to to be alone with my boyfriend for two weeks. I'm going to be gone for 13 weeks..but i'm starting to have doubts. have you just graduated from high school? have you had doubts? I can't really talk about these kind of things with my fellow poolees, it's a bit frowned upon to have doubts about your enlistment.
User avatar #320 to #319 - recoveryone (07/20/2014) [-]
Having doubts is completely normal unless you have nothing worth coming home to, the only reason I have none is because I have no girlfriend, and I'm a Reservist so I'll be back by Christmas. I did just graduate from High School. Your friends are full of **** if they say they have no doubts(or they got nothing worth coming back to). That's ****** up, you guys should be there for each other not giving each other **** for something everyone else feels. Also, Marine Corps Basic is 13 weeks long(as opposed to Navy, which is only 8.5 weeks long), then you got AIT. Which varies depending on your job.
#38 - catburglarpenis (07/15/2014) [-]
I went through two years of community college and now I'm the president of Earth, so I don't know what everyone is complaining about. They say if I finish my master's at University of Phoenix I'll reign supreme over the universe as a whole and if I simply finish my PhD at The University of South Florida I'll become both the "Alpha" and the "Omega", whatever that means.
I went through two years of community college and now I'm the president of Earth, so I don't know what everyone is complaining about. They say if I finish my master's at University of Phoenix I'll reign supreme over the universe as a whole and if I simply finish my PhD at The University of South Florida I'll become both the "Alpha" and the "Omega", whatever that means.
#18 - xseargeantxpainx ONLINE (07/15/2014) [-]
I don't want to be that guy, but unless you have a law, engineer, or medical degree you shouldn't really complain about the lack of jobs. There are jobs that will be high in demand and others that will not.

I don't know why people will get Arts, Liberals or even women studies (What the hell does women study degrees even offer??? (Not trying to be rude I'm very curious)) knowing there will be almost no opportunity, if they even get that opportunity.
#20 to #18 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
I have a degree in Engineering, and believe me... the options are limited.
I was able to find work but after several months of applying, and the job was not of the area of my interest. Some people I know weren't so lucky.

I'm not complaining.... but... at this time and age... we've almost reached a saturation level in the job market, and companies are demanding sky high qualifications.. that is if they are hiring in the first place
User avatar #43 to #20 - metalmind (07/15/2014) [-]
Did you learn German? If so, why not try to move here. Where I live unemployment is arround 3%.
Basically everywhere in Bavaria would beok if you're looking for a job. Some counties have an unemployment rate as low was 1,2%, not like filty Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.
And if you've got an degree in Engineering, you're almost guaranteed to find a job.
Plus living costs are lower here.
#47 to #43 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
Unfortunately no... but my friends are recommending the same, some of them are actually applying for masters there.

But I suck at learning new languages, all I know is Guten Abend & Guten Morgen
User avatar #71 to #47 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Rosetta stone, maaaaaan
#87 to #71 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
looks interesting... I might check it out. Thanks
User avatar #308 to #47 - metalmind (07/16/2014) [-]
Well, that's a start.
And glad to hear that you're considdering it, I hope it works out for you.
#23 to #20 - xseargeantxpainx ONLINE (07/15/2014) [-]
I understand.

I have a biology degree and am at the moment applying for medical school.

I agree with you though that qualifications and standards they demand from students are far too high, and that the increasing number of applicants with the very slowly increasing amount of jobs offered is lagging behind.

But with the higher science/math based degrees at least there will be opportunities, albeit very short of it. What opportunities are there for the other lower end degrees though?
#27 to #23 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
your right... I cannot Imagine what it would be like for them... I don't know anyone who is interested in that field anyways, so, I won't be able to answer that question.
#29 to #27 - xseargeantxpainx ONLINE (07/15/2014) [-]
Don't worry about it, you brought up good points.

I personally believe that people in high school during their junior/senior years have to be taught what degrees are offered and what jobs will come with them. I'm pretty sure high schoolers are not properly informed on this subject either because of the lack of attention or scary enough, the lack of information available to them.

Not saying it's their fault for not getting a job from an undesirable degree, but they need to do the research if it's not given to them and learn about the pros and cons of what they're getting into.
#34 to #29 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
You know what... y o u ' r e right on the spot again.... No one ever told me what to expect from choosing the career path of an Engineer before applying to collage.

It would be nice if they had an extra class where they teach highschool students the job qualifications and what to expect from each field before throwing them to the jungle.
#28 to #27 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
And before all the not so good ladying from FJ, *your
#31 to #28 - xseargeantxpainx ONLINE (07/15/2014) [-]
Grammar is overrated anyweigh.
#35 to #31 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
it is... but sometimes it can cause damage when not used carefully.

I love cats
#30 to #28 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
I see. a d m i n is being c u t e and is replacing y o u ' r e with y o u r.   
   
why do that a d m i n ... why
I see. a d m i n is being c u t e and is replacing y o u ' r e with y o u r.

why do that a d m i n ... why
#32 to #30 - xseargeantxpainx ONLINE (07/15/2014) [-]
Because he's my kinky gay son.
#36 to #32 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
what degree do you think a d m i n has?

oh I forgot... he's the President of North Korea
User avatar #219 to #30 - zerith (07/15/2014) [-]
So....Why did you put spaces for cute?
User avatar #216 to #30 - zerith (07/15/2014) [-]
What does cute change to?
User avatar #218 to #216 - zerith (07/15/2014) [-]
cute
#222 to #218 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
I was just being cautious you know.... just in case.... you never know what a d m i n is up to
User avatar #224 to #222 - zerith (07/15/2014) [-]
True.
User avatar #70 to #20 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
My local college, IPFW, has like 89% job placement in the engineering program, and most of those who don't place are simply going back to school for a couple more years to get another degree in business or w/e. What kind of engineering degree did you get? a degree in "general engineering" or whatever the catchall one is is pretty worthless, the job market is about specialization.
#83 to #70 - thytruth (07/15/2014) [-]
I'm specialized in Electrical and Communications Engineering. Currently working in field of Networks.

My collage had no such programs, they just gave me the Bachelor Degree and told me to **** off. Pardon my french

Plus, everyone I know had to either work their asses off to get a decent Job while the rest are working on getting their masters degree.
User avatar #134 to #83 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Work a not so amazing job for a while to get experience, work on your own company on the side, and use gained experience to get a better job. In ten years, you will have money from better job, experience from crappy job, and management skills from small business. In twenty years, you will have a strong business, experience, and hella money. You can't look at it in the short term.
User avatar #136 to #134 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
And you'll know german
#246 - AlanbalMIT (07/15/2014) [-]
México
How to get into college: Pass the admittance exam.
How to pay college: Like $0.02 yo (like a symbolicp ayment)
What you do with your degree: If you're badass enough , leave this ******* country.
#317 to #246 - valadezization (07/20/2014) [-]
my parents did that. they both have the american equivalent of a phd (dad has two) and then they sneaked over the border. now all of my siblings have college degrees except for me. My father's a badass, will tell stories if people are interested.
User avatar #286 to #246 - neoexdeath (07/16/2014) [-]
You forgot the part where they get abducted and tortured by the cartels.
#63 - arkanios (07/15/2014) [-]
I'm going to a university for a reasonable price and I'm aiming for a degree in broadcasting, plus I got in with barely any trouble Which might be because I graduated from a ghetto highschool, and they didn't expect anyone there to get decent grades . I'm hoping to get experience in voice acting because every living being on this planet recommends that job to me, but if that doesn't work out, use the experience I got in broadcasting to get work in a studio of some kind.

The only reason I have fear is because of how hyped up the cost of going to a university of college is, but my relatives tell me not to worry about it, so I'm having a lot of mixed feelings here.
User avatar #88 to #63 - brokentrucker (07/15/2014) [-]
It really depends on WHERE you go to school at, what it's going to cost you. The only time employers get hard dicks over degrees, are from big places, hospitals or whatever. Just a decent public school will get you where you need to go.
User avatar #94 to #63 - larfang (07/15/2014) [-]
Voice acting is honestly one of the most growing acting jobs out there. With more and more video games and animated films coming out there is always a want for them. Do you have anything you have voice acted before? Simple little things are a start.
User avatar #159 to #94 - arkanios (07/15/2014) [-]
I've only voiced acted my own videos, which I had to make in broadcasting class, as well as anchor a news show in high school. But with official products, no, I've never voiced acted anything like that.
User avatar #163 to #159 - larfang (07/15/2014) [-]
Even those little things get you there. I wish you luck bro on your dreams!
User avatar #232 to #163 - arkanios (07/15/2014) [-]
Thanks man. Here's to hoping somebody wants a voice actor that sounds a bit similar to cr1tikal.
User avatar #277 to #232 - larfang (07/16/2014) [-]
If what you say is true, then my panties are already dropping

User avatar #300 to #277 - arkanios (07/16/2014) [-]
Yeah, my friends say I sound almost exactly like him, except I'm not as quick witted or vulgar.
User avatar #301 to #300 - larfang (07/16/2014) [-]
Well with practicing through broadcasting and stuff I'm sure you can catch on to those traits.

The voice alone is all you need

User avatar #302 to #301 - arkanios (07/16/2014) [-]
Cool, because I was worrying that I would have to learn how to use different voices and that the one, deep voice wouldn't carry me through the whole job.
User avatar #303 to #302 - larfang (07/16/2014) [-]
It's definitely good to learn new voices and to be able to smoothly do different accents. But the voice you have if pretty ****** golden right there.
User avatar #305 to #303 - arkanios (07/16/2014) [-]
That's great then. Guess that means that everyone who ever heard me talk was correct then.
#1 - nyawgga (07/15/2014) [-]
here's an idea   
   
 be an intense bodyloveing electrician
here's an idea

be an intense bodyloveing electrician
#22 to #1 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
Did a months work experience as an electrician years ago, it was the most fun I've ever had working a job. Would totally recommend it. Decided to do a degree in medical science in the end though.
User avatar #66 to #1 - nigalthornberry (07/15/2014) [-]
Any Manual labor job will do really.
Get paid to go to school
Get a a lot of money
Jobs in high demand
Easy work really
#69 to #1 - cagetheelophant (07/15/2014) [-]
Terrible Idea, depending on where you live, work is sparse as **** . Be a welder.
Source: Dad's an electrician in the midwest, has to work out of state in omaha to get consistent work
#99 to #1 - KnowinglyUnknown (07/15/2014) [-]
As someone working towards my Journeyman's license, I'll give a bit of food for thought on this one.    
   
You need 8000 hours of apprentice hours within 3 years, or else you need additional schooling/training to keep up with the codebook updates. Every 3 years you have your license, you must take a code update class as new editions of the NEC are published every 3 years.    
   
Be prepared for work, be it crawling through a house's attic when it is 85 and humid outside or fishing wire through a crawlspace under the house. There are 3 main applications for your license: residential, commercial, or industrial. Keep an open mind about all of them and be willing to move to a different company. As for best place for electrical work? North east. There's a lot of work up in the New England area and electricians make good money(I've hear of some having a rate of $75/hour of work, though no guarantees).     
   
Pros:    
Good job market in both growing areas and well established areas.   
Masters make BANK.    
Many avenues you can take your electrical training ranging from utility work to residential.   
   
Cons:    
3 year apprenticeship where you must complete 8000 hours or else you must receive more training/schooling   
Authority Having Jurisdiction: The AHJ can choose to use a different year codebook as regulation. Be prepared for ambiguity.    
Code updates means needing to take code update classes. Usually up to 20 hours of class if I remember correctly. That also means paying for these classes. Great.    
   
It is something to consider and can be a good field. Try not to get electrocuted and remember proper PPE!
As someone working towards my Journeyman's license, I'll give a bit of food for thought on this one.

You need 8000 hours of apprentice hours within 3 years, or else you need additional schooling/training to keep up with the codebook updates. Every 3 years you have your license, you must take a code update class as new editions of the NEC are published every 3 years.

Be prepared for work, be it crawling through a house's attic when it is 85 and humid outside or fishing wire through a crawlspace under the house. There are 3 main applications for your license: residential, commercial, or industrial. Keep an open mind about all of them and be willing to move to a different company. As for best place for electrical work? North east. There's a lot of work up in the New England area and electricians make good money(I've hear of some having a rate of $75/hour of work, though no guarantees).

Pros:
Good job market in both growing areas and well established areas.
Masters make BANK.
Many avenues you can take your electrical training ranging from utility work to residential.

Cons:
3 year apprenticeship where you must complete 8000 hours or else you must receive more training/schooling
Authority Having Jurisdiction: The AHJ can choose to use a different year codebook as regulation. Be prepared for ambiguity.
Code updates means needing to take code update classes. Usually up to 20 hours of class if I remember correctly. That also means paying for these classes. Great.

It is something to consider and can be a good field. Try not to get electrocuted and remember proper PPE!
User avatar #150 to #99 - nyawgga (07/15/2014) [-]
Be an electrician in North America


The work is faster paced, but It doesn't as much dick
User avatar #2 to #1 - malific (07/15/2014) [-]
Welding is also a very smart career move right now as well. With hard work you can be making 6 figures in about 8 years.
User avatar #15 to #2 - Draigor (07/15/2014) [-]
Problem with welding for big bucks is that at some point you'll be sitting on a piece of structural steel 50 feet high at the top of a 10 story building where its 100+ degrees out. But other than that I'd say it's a pretty good career choice.
User avatar #21 - sirbrentcoe (07/15/2014) [-]
if corporations that are 'too large to fail' can borrow money, and only pay back 75% of what they borrowed, shouldn't students be allowed to do the same?
User avatar #44 to #21 - metalmind (07/15/2014) [-]
Or you know, a country could offer free education, or even paid studying, like in Denmark.
User avatar #173 to #44 - undeadwill (07/15/2014) [-]
You know were are going to **** it up right?
User avatar #68 to #44 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
That would be wonderful, but the country cannot afford that right now. If you're not above the poverty line, though, you can get on welfare pretty easily. same thing basically.
#97 to #68 - Rascal (07/15/2014) [-]
well, the US could cut their insane military budget in half for starters
User avatar #239 to #21 - romanlettuce (07/15/2014) [-]
Universities are the ones borrowing the money. Except it doesn't get paid back nor is it expected to. They utilize poor student performance for profit through subsidized tuition. Universities int he U.S. are neither free market nor socialist. They are run like corporations.
User avatar #197 to #21 - pizzaweed (07/15/2014) [-]
6'2"




"I'm too big to fail"




If my financial aid is ever in danger of being taken away, I'm going to use that as my argument.


I'll let you know if it works
#243 to #21 - gnegg (07/15/2014) [-]
Well, if they weren't able to do so, they would fail. There's a reason why they're called "Too big to fail"


It would hurt the economy more if they went under than giving them money
User avatar #24 to #21 - bestfoxgirl (07/15/2014) [-]
You mean, the way it would be just and equal? Wrong universe.
#25 to #24 - sirbrentcoe (07/15/2014) [-]
oh gawd damnit, i forgot... wanna split a grilled cheese?
#55 - infinitereaper (07/15/2014) [-]
Let me spell out a few realities for you guys about the job market and global economy

1) The greatest financial crises/collapse since the Great Depression happened in through 07-08. Financial corporations merged into giants "too big to fail" around the 2000s. Which helped lead to even more immortal monopolies, only a few of which control the monetary supply of the common poeple in the United States.
2) Minimum wage (when adjusted for inflation) is worse than it was in the 50s. And that's without adjusting for the multiplied increases in worker productivity. Worker unions have practically been wiped out, deregulation has been given out like candy, taxes have been lowered and the middle class is still getting scraps. But corporate profits? Through the roof every other year! horray horray
3) Did I mention the cost of living, education and healthcare have both risen dramatically in the last 100 years? Sure, we have fancier cards now, but college costs 3-5 times more healthcare ccosts 2-5 times more than other countries with the same quality of healthcare, and everything is pretty much inflated.
4) Outsourcing! Everything is outsourced, corporations make lots of more money for themselves and stockholders when they pay slavelike child workers in **** countries like china cents an hour. Import! Import! **** exports! Who ares about building an economy when we can have it cheap and easy! Very profitable. Buy a shirt to help children! Also made by children!
5) Lobbying! Legal bribery, if you have money, why not buy laws? In fact that's exactly what's being done. Representation? Ha! You pay money, get laws. Fund congressman and governess. Legislation baby.
6) The majority of the rich don't give a **** about you! That's right. They don't give a **** about you The government is going to protect you? Nope! Have you forgot lobbying? Corporations have to follow rules? Nope! Deregulation.
(you think this is it? oh I'm just getting started, continued below)
User avatar #86 to #55 - juventud (07/15/2014) [-]
lemme get some items bitch
User avatar #100 to #55 - ivoryhammer (07/15/2014) [-]
Good thing that the minimum wage is still staying low because of the right wing then!
User avatar #112 to #100 - robinwilliamson (07/15/2014) [-]
Yeah, forget those 7 Nobel Laureates of Economics saying it's a good idea, it's our even smarter politicians that know best
#116 to #55 - spidahridah (07/15/2014) [-]
An FJ comment that isn't complete ******** ? Sweet.
User avatar #57 to #55 - testaburger (07/15/2014) [-]
Should add some line breaks between numbers.
That wall is a bitch to read
User avatar #85 to #55 - infernis (07/15/2014) [-]
God bless America.
User avatar #58 to #55 - infinitereaper (07/15/2014) [-]
7) Unsustainable. The United States primary (though it's like this much of everywhere) has a deficit that literally cannot be paid of. 17 trillion and rising. And what happens when you have all this debt stacked up? You have print more money to cover the costs. And what does printing more money do? That's right! More inflation!

8) Speaking of sustainability, public welfare programs like social security are largely unsustainable. Did you know lots of them are going to be tapped out within the next few decades? How will they solve this? Probably by cutting back on the checks, changing a few things... maybe even... going into even more debt to cover the cost! and you know what that means!

9) The entire global economy is **** . Think China is great? **** NO it aint. Guess what, it has to maintain unrealistically rapid growth in order to stay afloat. Which isn't possible! Within the next 3 decades we may even say China collapse, or stay alive only because everyone relies on it's slave state and exports.

10) How do I put this? Everything is ****** ! You're ****** ! We're all ****** ! The rich run the world through lobbying, and monopolies! Inflation doesn't bother them that much a billion dollars is still a billion dollars! Too bad for the middle class. They've only got like 10% of the wealth, hell even that might be an optimistic number! Wealth inequality is higher than ever! The majority of wealth and resources in the entire world belong to the 1%! What a time to be alive!

tl;dr welcome to the real world
User avatar #96 to #58 - skysailor (07/15/2014) [-]
What if I live a transcendental life in the woods? Get my own food. Make my own medicines.
User avatar #121 to #96 - lolollo (07/15/2014) [-]
The amount of knowledge you'd need just to not accidentally kill yourself rivals a simple college education.

Meaning: Do it, but you better go big or go home...
User avatar #266 to #96 - severepwner (07/16/2014) [-]
Good luck finding wilderness where you won't be trespassing, have enough animal life to hunt, and other things that are made tricky by civilization
User avatar #278 to #266 - vorarephilia (07/16/2014) [-]
build a homestead in Alaska. there are shows about people who live like that. It's hard back breaking labor, but you are mostly independent from the government. If and when it collapses, you might not even hear about it for a few days.

and you would make your ancestors proud, assuming they were some of the original colonists. My mothers side came from the Mayflower. Doubt anyone really cares but I thought that was cool.

or get a regular job and spend spare time and money building a well defended bunker somewhere.

Or mix them and get a data entry job at your mountain cabin. Buy and stockpile supplies while waiting for it all to end. I think that is something I would try.
User avatar #280 to #278 - severepwner (07/16/2014) [-]
I understand, I know a friend who'd love to do it, it just seems challenging considering that almost always, some government owns it. Governments pretty much own the entire world at this point, so I don't think there are too many places to get away from mainstream civilization.
#282 to #280 - vorarephilia (07/16/2014) [-]
Yeah, the government does own it. But when all is said and done, they are going to be more concerned about protecting their own asses and the nuclear silos than collecting property tax.
the biggest concern is other people, not the government. When people start running out of food, they will either form small, almost feudal, communities, or join up with gangs. Anarchism theories aside, humans aren't really well built for large scale globalization. We form micro communities within communities even now (neighborhoods< cities< counties etc.)

I'd say, start with the yellow. If something French revolution like happens here, those are going to be raided by angry mobs far less. again, alaska is a good idea as far fewer people live there to begin with.
User avatar #64 to #58 - bluemoonz (07/15/2014) [-]
Interesting.
There's pretty much nothing we can do about it, and if we could, the people of the world won't even bother.
User avatar #131 to #64 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Because people are used to having everything delivered to them. I can have hot food delivered to my door, and they expect the same thing: fixed problems delivered to their door. Nobody wants to work, they only want to "raise awareness" or whatever they think they're doing.
User avatar #249 to #58 - marinepenguin (07/15/2014) [-]
AND basically the only way things will ever change is if the common populace grows tired of this ****** systems **** and revolts against everything, and basically wipe the slate clean. Except that will never happen because most people have been coddled and told they're special since they were kids so they don't have the will or the spirit to raise a finger against anything.

Or the whole system could essentially collapse on itself, leaving only a few civilized areas ran and financed by the ultra-rich while the common people fight for the scraps that are left.

The greedy will always be greedy, the world isn't enough.
User avatar #67 to #58 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
And that's why it's your job as a consumer an citizen to start a small company, just like all of the big companies once were, and ******* compete. Sitting here and complaining doesn't do anything. I'm ******* 18 years old and i already own my own small company. Even if I don't make it big, when I'm older and can actually pay my employees what I deem fair, I'll be happy.

tl;dr: we aren't ****** , we're lazy.
User avatar #80 to #67 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
>Start own company
>Go out of business because local walmart sells everything I do but gives out coupons for a 2% discount
>Become homeless
>Get shanked by other homeless guy for my box
User avatar #128 to #80 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Sell something that Walmart doesn't sell, invent something, sell SERVICES instead. Use a little bit of creativity and suddenly you're rich. It's not hard, it just takes patience and a wonderful lack of the immediate fulfillment complex.
User avatar #160 to #128 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
>Sell something Walmart doesn't sell
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Invent something
>Invention stolen by best friend
>Become next Steve Wozniak
Inventing is a lot harder than you think. I do have one still in planning stage, but prospects aren't very good due to it possibly being physically impossible. Still doing research on that.
>Sell services
Ok, yeah. I could totally be a hooker. Stripper, maybe. Gotta work on my cardio for that.
User avatar #164 to #160 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Also, Steve Wozniak is worth about 100 million dollars. I'd be happy about being him.
User avatar #162 to #160 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Ever heard of a patent? Don't be dumb.

The only thing holding people back from become a millionaire or fulfilling their aspirations is the ******** story they keep telling themselves.
User avatar #167 to #162 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
Right, but my idea may or may not be physically possible, I'm gonna have to build the actual thing myself to find out.
User avatar #169 to #167 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Come up with more idea. Eggs in one basket break together.
User avatar #171 to #169 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
Right, good idea, because as my dad put it "If this thing actually works, there's gonna be a lot of powerful people that want you dead, boy".
User avatar #172 to #171 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Magnetic energy generator?
User avatar #174 to #172 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
Hold the **** up, are you asian or something? ***** you can't go around reading people's minds and **** .
User avatar #176 to #174 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
it doesn't work, I already tried it.
User avatar #178 to #176 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
So you tried covering the outside of the internal cylinder that is meant to spin with alternating polarities of magnets, and the inside of the outside stationary cylinder with alternating polarity magnets but not in equal amounts?
User avatar #183 to #178 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
THEN AGAIN:

The general reason why this probably hasn't been done with better RnD is because it would make energy free. I think it's worth the time for you to tweak it and get it to work. Companies would never use it because it would mean that magnets could be used as a superfuel. (keep in mind that magnets DO lose their magnetism after continual use, implying that it would not necessarily be a closed system, and the magnets would be an expendable fuel. a kickass fuel)
User avatar #184 to #183 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
It would last longer than nuclear. And if people think the energy is gonna be free, they have another thing coming. It's gonna be really ******* cheap, but not free. Like, $20 monthly electrical bill cheap.
User avatar #202 to #184 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Do you realize just how much magnetite there is on this planet? Energy would be free.
User avatar #205 to #202 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
Only if people weren't too lazy to do it themselves. And it would probably work best with Neodymium magnets.
User avatar #179 to #178 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
yep. doesn't work. Laws of thermodynamics made it some to a stop. It spun and spun and spun, but like magic it stopped when I tried to use an alternator and get energy from it.
User avatar #180 to #179 - heartlessrobot (07/15/2014) [-]
Damn. If I ever have enough time and resources, I might try tweaking the design. There's gotta be a way to get it to work.
User avatar #177 to #176 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
Based on the same principles of a particle accelerator, but in a circle.
User avatar #166 to #162 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
*becoming
User avatar #76 to #67 - infinitereaper (07/15/2014) [-]
>ignoring the economical and political realities
you clearly missed the point
User avatar #130 to #76 - FireFront (07/15/2014) [-]
>Ignoring the economic and political realities.
YOU clearly missed the point. If you stop with the mentality that everything is ****** , and start working towards ********* things, and other join you, things will become ******** . Start new industries, invent new things, and create new services. Find a niche. You may not enjoy the work, but you can use the money to do things you enjoy.
User avatar #269 to #130 - TheAdolfHitler (07/16/2014) [-]
I'll agree that starting a business is a great way to make money.

I sold off a relatively small Engineering firm I founded myself for $24 million USD.

The problem with this is the time it took me.

Far too many people are focused on going to college or university to get a degree that will or will not be useless with a huge debt on their shoulder. Not only that, but try telling your family that you don't want to go to college and instead want to start a business. They probably won't approve unless you plan to do the business as a side project (if you're making a million dollar business, it can't be a side project).

So people are stuck with a useless degree and some retarded job they got.

It's ******* horrible because it's insane what the people that are already rich can do.
**** these greedy corporations.
User avatar #313 to #269 - FireFront (07/17/2014) [-]
It's only greed to you because you have envy. It takes work to become a millionaire, and luck to become a billionaire. Be happy about your business and successes, and encourage others to follow in your footsteps.
User avatar #314 to #313 - TheAdolfHitler (07/17/2014) [-]
I'm not talking about envy.

I encourage everyone I know to find and create something that can provide for the masses.

What I'm talking about the rich people I know using underhanded tactics to get what they want.
I don't approve of **** like that.
User avatar #283 - dorfdorfdorf (07/16/2014) [-]
re: the last one, you could absolutely work in your field

if anyone offered jobs in underwater basket weaving or lesbian studies or whatever the **** you majored in
User avatar #264 - aviators (07/16/2014) [-]
I'm art student, got in with c average and I will be doing what I love, and if i'm poor, i'm poor and happy.
laugh all you want but when i'm creating the world that has been trapped inside my head since I was 9 and smiling over every little ****** thing I do, I can chalk myself up to be successful.
#260 - Hitcher (07/16/2014) [-]
How to pay for college in Scotland:

You don't.
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