This move was so good.
Spoilers I can't wait to see what they do with Kylo Ren in the next movie. I think he'll be way less of a whiny bitch, and will mature nicely into a Sith.
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I assume some sort of contrast scenario where Kylo Ren resumes his training with Snoke (who looks somewhat similar to the Inquisitor from Rebels, I might add), while Rey starts up with Luke, and both being grandchildren of Vader it seems like they're bound to be evenly matched in the battles to come.
I expect him to either go full evil and become cool or do the opposite and be overcome with guilt, becoming an anti-hero and later joining the good guys.
I'd like if he'd go grey forming his own faction. It'd kinda avert the classic light vs darkness setting that the series has always had but... It could be interesting.
That could create an interesting power struggle between Lukes light side, Snoaks dark side, and Kylo leading the Grey Order or some other such thing.
Could be cool.
kindasortaspoiler idk do you think snoke is pelagius? if palpatine says he is strong enough to create life and prevent death, then technically he could still be alive
Actually snoke is really the swedish rap band snook and also known as mr cool i seriously doubt that its pelagius considering how farfetched and pointless it would be, sorry
That I can maybe accept, that Snoke is perhaps a Sith. But we do not know! So far Kylo isn't, the same way that the inquisitors aren't sith in Rebels, jus dark side users working for the sith.
Only Sith so far that actually killed (one of) the people he cared about so he could progress further in the Dark Side. He'll go far. Well, in the movies at least.
He turned to the dark side to try and save Padme. Even though she died, He didn't explicitly kill her to get stronger. I also think its safe to say he no longer cared greatly for Ben at the time of his death. Kylo killed Han for the sole reason of getting stronger. First time we've seen this on screen
The second he took off his mask I turned to my friend and said " **** that's an ugly bad guy" and he agreed. Why make him so ugly he gotta be sexy he's the bad guy
At first i got a very angsty young anakin vibe from him and i kinda groaned in dread that JJ didn't learn from the mistakes of Lucas with that.
But towards the end when he gets his face all ****** up by Rhea and gets that hella cool scar on his face he'll start to look more intimidating and what not.
Not going to lie this scene hurt my childhood a little bit. I always grew up with the idea in my mind that NOTHING could stop a lightsaber except another lightsaber. I always saw them as legendary weapons, extremely rare, and only to be wielded by the most powerful of jedi. And yet here we are, an untrained, non jedi, using one, against an electrified metal stick. I know it's happened plenty of times in video games and other sources but never a main movie entry as far I remember.
I like it. I always thought the idea that no one else could use them was ridiculous and that no one else could have some kind of more modern equal weapon was backwards.
It's just technology, and an ancient and probably overly expensive one at that. They are extremely powerful at what they do and rare, but they're hardly the be all and the end all.
A jedi's true power is not some rare device, but the Force.
In OP's defense, Han didn't fight with it, but cut open the Taun Taun. Wielding a lightsaber and not injuring oneself, imo, was as easy as swinging a torch around and not letting the light hit you. Don't do the fancy, and you'll be right as rain.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I read about some swords that used ultrasonic vibrations to stand up against lightsabers in the Darth Bane trilogy. I guess that's no longer canon though
Discussion for the ones that saw the movie
SPOILER i found kylo ren to be a bitch ass, losing to people without training whatsoever and losing to riley trying to force pull the saber. Thoughts?
It would have been much better if in that scene where he tries to Force Pull the lightsaber out of the snow, it would show it jumping into Luke's hand. And with Luke giving him a severe whooping.
My friend and I agreed - although it's cool as hell that he did the whole force stasis thing, I think he either has to be weak to have lost to someone with no training, or maybe ray is descended from some other force-strong bloodline to be able to beat him with no prior training. Also, the fact that the black guy even stood a CHANCE against him is completely dumb imo - force sensitives (especially trained ones) should be way faster/stronger than some random guy.
I like him because he's very similar to his grandfather. He wants to be the big strong darth vader figure, but his arrogant and impatient nature makes him more like the young Anakin Skywalker. Jedi are clearly more powerful than sith, but since Ren had rejected Luke's training, he has not learnt the disciplines required to master the force.
But jedi arent more powerful than the sith, literally every time a jedi beats a sith in the movies its because they gave in to rage. I also found it silly that he wants to be as powerful as Vader when Vader got beat by Luke and turned to the light before the end
i reckon that jedi are more powerful than sith. The sith only triumph against the Jedi when they have higher powers involved. AKA The entire clone/storm trooper army. Right before order 66 there were more than 10 000 jedi alive, but the number of sith has never come close to that amount.
The sith kind of, you know, decimate that number completely. And sith being fewer doesnt mean they arent as powerful. Again, the whole point of the sith is that they gain power from their bad feelings. That is why the ****** jedis who become sith can fight on even ground with the prodigys from the jedi side
aye, but no one knows that. There's no way for anyone except those told by luke ( the rebellion) to know that Vader died having betrayed the emperor. All people on the side of the galactic empire(the majority of the civilised universe) and thus the first order worship vader as a loyal servant to the empire till the end.
One would think that Luke would tell his students about how his father died in the light after killing the emperor. Seems like a pretty important detail
but since it wasn't intentional, kylo ren probably still thinks that vader operated most of his life for personal gain, plus the fact that his gigantic projected sith mentor most likely lied to him about vader. and other things.
I just want to point out that they aren't sith... Kylo Ren is a part of a group of dark side users called Knights of Ren. Not sith! Just wanted to point that out.
Yea, but the difference lies in how you practice it really. And I am inclined to believe that the Knights of Ren practises it differently than the Sith.
But Knights of Ren as many different apprentices and not just "the rule of two", which already there you're not a sith. You may have similiar ways to utilize the force, but because you're a dark side user doesn't mean you're a sith. The force didn't create these terms, man did. The force is just there and can be utilized in different ways. That is the same as saying that those that came before sith and jedi are siths and jedis, just because they utilized the light and dark. But using that logic, sith and Jedis should be called like those before them. It makes the whole difference. Dark Side or light side user does not = Sith and Jedi. Just two different ways to utilize force for what you believe is the right way.
Its basically the same thing though, the dark side corrupts and the light side is only attainable for lame people
Sith is just the general term for dickwads that misuse the force usually
Nah mate, since being a Sith was still a way to practice it and you to be a sith you need to qualify and practice its rules. There is a reason there is a sith code and a jedi code. If you don't follow those codes, you're not a sith or a jedi. All dark side users may have many things alike, but still have different codes and usages for the power they have obtained, which picks them apart.
The code is a guide to help you better understand/use the side of the force
The sith code is just a line of actions that improve your power and how you should act to become stronger with the force and the jedi code is based on how to use the light side without getting corrupted
Yes and that is the jedi way and if you don't give a damn about that, then you're not a Jedi, and you can still use the light and the dark side without being "corrupted" (since that is a Jedi way of saying it), and that is called a grey jedi, which just proves it is all about how you practice it. A jedi should never use the dark side, because that is what a JEDI believes. The Knights of Ren may have other ways of practicing the dark side which makes them, not sith. Like with religions, some may believe almost the same believes, but doing things differently means you're not protostant, it means your catholic for example or a jew, and so worth. Even though it is the same god they believe in, done differently.
Again, I don't care about that, if they are good, evil, idiots, smartasses. I just want to point out they aren't sith, as far as we know. Snoke might be a sith lord that created this division of Knights of Ren, the same way The Emperor created the inquisitors! But they aren't sith neither.
That doesn't mean he isn't a sith. And of course he doesnt call himself a sith, that would blow his cover. ANd I do remember the scene where Anakin finds out "you're the sith lord!" and he agrees, maybe not verbally, but he lets Anakin know that he is the Sith Lord.
And yes, because Sith used to be the ones that used the Dark Side, but they aren't anymore. No matter what, Kylo isn't a Sith, unless episode VIII or something else canon says otherwise. Because right now, he's a knight of Ren and so far, they aren't sith.
Theyre basically a league of deuchebags
The sith are also a league of deuchebags, only they are bigger deuchebags with more betrayal and thus cant keep up bigger numbers
And he could had not been corrupted as much as he could. And yea, being handicapped with the light side because you're a grey jedi (canon or not) still means you can do it. And that doesn't change the fact that Knights of Ren aren't Sith, even if they in theory use the force the same way but practises it differently, equally in power or not.
What im saying is there is no such thing as a grey jedi, only jedi that are **** at their alignment and are lighter shades of blue or red
There is no way to stay completely balanced at 0
And about the knights of ren, they are just puppets of a prick scared of luke for some reason even though hes retarded and can be blamed for basically all the **** that happens in the new movie
That is why they only used the dark side in small bursts and not always, balancing it. Even though they aren't canon, doesn't mean that person in the star wars universe wouldn't be able to use both sides of the force, because Anakin uses the dark side once in a while, even though he is a light side user. So in the end it is up to interpretation about how you want to use the force. The Knights of Ren are not Sith, even though they are dark side users. The same way inquisitors are not sith, even though they are dark side users, that is canon. Since The rule of two is still canon and that would conflict with itself if the inquisitors were siths.
Guess what, Anakin got corrupted by the dark side
Grey morality is pretty lame in general anyway since its basically the afk morality, since you dont act selfishly or unselfishly
Otherwise youre just a bad lightside user or bad darkside user
Well he isn't a master not even a real sith imo. He still fights the light and don't really know how to act like an sith because he is infact just a bitch ass child. Losing against ray wasn't a really big deal for me cause he got shot by chewy with that big ass crossbow. You saw earlier how powerfull this weapon really was. ******* stormtroopers fly over the battlefield like nothing. And Ken managed to stay and even walk and fight after a direct hit. And untrained is maybe not really true cause fynn was an stormtrooper and he had atleast some kind of melee training in his unit I guess. And for ray - she lived her whole life on that rough planet. alone. and she showed some nice moves with her stick so I guess she can use a lightsaber at least a bit. And with the forceduell.. well as I said ken was ******* hurt and is a spoiled brat with too much ******* emotions to use the force properly. at least thats my view on.
dont forget he is not a sith lord and his training was never completed. not to mention he took a bow caster bolt to the gut. he just wants to be as good as Vader was and hes a pissy little cunt because he is nowhere near as powerful. he slashes **** with his saber and doesnt even have the gaul to kill his officer just choke him lightly. i think the whole point of his character is that he wants to be vader but he grew up with the light side and is conflicted similar but not exactly like anakin was
I kinda thought the point was that he's just a poster boy at the moment. Lower level baddie for lower level good guys, as badass as chewie is he ain't gonna carry a party in a battle against a sith lord and he was by far the most trained member of the strike team. And as others pointed out, he was badly hurt at the fight anyways.
Yeah, it was weird that Riley beat him in the lightsaber fight. True, he was injured, but he had lots of training (Force and lightsaber), while Riley only had experience with her spear thingy. And no, I don't think those are in any way similar.
Also I found the end of the fight was pretty lazy scriptwriting. As if they didn't know how to end the fight, so they just put in a huge ******* ravine to split them. I felt cheated.
Also once he took off his helmet I couldn't take him seriously anymore. I know he's supposed to be young and stuff, but it was just not menacing anymore.
This. He just became "the whiney teenage sith" to me once the helmet came off. Perhaps a shaved head and paler face/ less spots would've made him a little more sinister than "spoilt teen with wavy locks".
Takes a while for people in the dark side to adapt the menacing look of a sith.
He was firstly trained in the light side by Luke, up until betraying and switching towards the dark. Give the dude some time, he was struggling getting dedicated to the dark side... As he did say, that he feel the light side inside still.
Considering the guy had gotten shot in the chest with a crossbow shown to blast people across the room I'd cut him a break especially since he had minor injuries from fighting each of them
Besides that he was stupidly unstable to begin with he just killed his father, can't exactly focus after something like that, and on top of all that he tanked a bowcaster shot to the kidney. His entire character is a wanna be since they decided the best time for him to get his force training was right before his teenage rebellious phase
He was wounded, and he just killed his dad so he was not fully concentrated. I do agree however he is not the best lightsaber wielding guy out there! But remember at the beginning when he stops a blaster shot with the force? That was really sick!
He survived a laser cross bow blaster which seriously injured him. Finn had that slight advantage but Kylo still had enough strength to win the fight. Then he had to fight Rey with his still serious injury as well as multiple other injuries from fighting Finn. Rey only won because of Kylo's multiple injuries and because she has natural overwhelming strength in the Force like Kylo.
Eh, while I thought Kylo Ren wasn't that great of villain, he still seems to be about the same age as Anakin was in Episode 3, so I can see some justifiability there. Still wish he was more intimidating. As for his fight against Rey and Finn, Finn wasn't exactly winning that fight anyway, but he's still a trained Stormtrooper. It makes sense how he'd at least survive long enough for Rey to come along. Rey winning in a fight at least makes SOME sense. She knew how to fight already from what we'd seen over her prior to the movie.
One thing that pisses me off thought is how they killed off Han Solo. Not because of them doing it (he WAS supposed to die in the original trilogy), but because I didn't get to see the movie until last night and some asshole spoiled it before the movie had even been out for 12 hours. It wasn't even on a Star Wars related post either.
Not exactly difficult to guess, but I'm sure some people don't have a clue. Rey will most likely be Luke's daughter.
Dude, same thing for me, was seeing it on the 21st of December but on the 17th here on a funnyjunk post, someone put R.I.P Han Solo as the post's title and I should've expected something like that and I only clicked on it to see if anyone claimed that this was false only for me to see a stickied comment describing in detail Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son and he kills him which made me all the more pissed off
He had a crossbow bolt in his side, and was very emotionally unstable, causing him to be unable to fight properly. Plus he bled out throughout the fight and got weaker and injured more the longer it went on. He was keeping himself conscious through putting half his focus on his wound and half on the fight. The one time he used the force it made him take focus off his wound, causing him severe pain, so he couldn't do it again for the rest of the fight.
maybe so, but still their opponents had no training whatsoever and he´s supposed to be a sith, which are supposed to be more powerful than jedis. Its like an injured grown man against two 12 year olds, sure he´s injured but come on...
i wouldn't exactly consider them untrained. As a First Order storm trooper, Finn was trained for combat from birth, and Rey had both significantly better control over the force than Ren and better survival instincts having lived alone from a young age
I think we'll see a lot of what we're wanting in the next episode.
Also, I think one of the big reasons Rey is so strong in the force is because she's actually Luke's daughter..
Because people can be strong in the force without actually being born from stong force users... And regards of her being Luke's daughter. I just don't see it happening. It is too obvious. If you consider their marketing about Finn so people could be surprised about Rey actually being the Jedi, This just seems to obvious to be case. And Luke would have no reason to dump is daughter at a hostile harsh planet. Even like when he was dumped on a harsh planet, it was with family. I just don't see it. Maybe other important people, just not Luke.
i think they whole point of the movies was to be a mirror of the first movie a new hope, which was a also a mirror for phantom menace i think because a lot of the things felt basically copied from the original like hans death being like obiwans which means kylo and rey are gonna get their force training like luke which will probably be like half way like luke
I agreed - I give it a 4-4.5/5 because I realized fairly quickly that the story was progressing along the same major lines as episode 4. But it still was different enough that I enjoyed it immensely.
You're not wrong. Lucas said that the films are like poetry, that the prequels "rhyme" with the original trilogy, and I think the new movies will respect that in some regards. However, they know when they need to differ from the storyline and bring new aspects into it.
Kylo was ****** up in a lot of ways before the fight started, and Rey seems really strong with the force. Also, Kylo never finished his training. I would have put my money on Kylo Ren, but I can see why Rey won.
Luke went toe to toe with THE sith lord in Empire without excessive or complete training. This is how I rationalize rey taking on ren. Ren like vader had training but is less powerful, rey strong with the force, but with little training was able to match and injured ren. So the way i see it, its kind of like luke vs vader in Empire but both rey and ren are less powerful. if that makes sense
Well with the rule of two there was only suppose to be Vader and the emp since their dead no one else should be a sith unless you count all the mini inquisitors they had running around
But they were not sith either, the inquisitors that is. Just dark side force users trained to handle lower level Jedi. And the rule was created by Darth Bane, before that there was tons of sith. But since, as you pointed out, the last two sith are dead, so it is not a question of there shouldn't be sith, but there can't be since there is no one to pass on the knowledge of sith. And even if there is, maybe they wanted to take a different approach to the dark side than the sith. Like if Luke wanted to take the Jedi in a different path, they wouldn't be Jedi anymore.
Yet then we can just say that anyone that follows the light or the dark is the sith or jedi but different branches just like any religion, even then though Luke did get trained by the old jedi and can have contact with said jedi.
The difference being though that religion is man made (unless you believe in it of course) but we know for sure the Force is real in this universe. So it really depends on how you practice it. Being a sith is a certain way of being and acting before being qualified as a sith. The same with a Jedi. You can be a light side user but not giving a crap about what Jedi teachings are and having your own practises with the light side. It might not be as sufficient as a jedis way, but it still makes you a light side user but not a Jedi. And what came before (if we look at the extended universe, even though it is not canon the point of the religion itself is man made holds true) the Jedi was the Je'daii that which practises both the light and the dark... that is know has grey Jedi now. You're not a jedi for using the light side, because the term "jedi" is something man made and not something the force created, the force is just there and being a Je'daii, Knight of Ren, Jedi or Sith is just a different way to utilize the force for what you believe in and not the other way around.
like hellomynameisbill said, he was wounded. Also, people usually become sith because they suck at being jedi. Also again, Rey is obviously Lukes daughter so she has some supreme connection to the force, that helps a lot, and Finn is a random powered Stormtrooper
I don't know why you posted this, but its funny to me because my friend was late for work today, at trader joe's because we saw Star Wars and it ran later than he thought.
He posted it because the stormtrooper in the scene edited into the above post shouts "TRAITOR" at the black guy in a bit of an over the top voice kind of like a KKK member shouting ****** , me and my friends joked about how the stormtroopers used traitor like that
I'm hoping that someone here has a video or link to that clip of a certain character getting REALLY mad in The Force Awakens. It isn't really a spoiler, but one character gives the angriest speech I have ever seen in a movie and I was wondering if somebody has a clip of it.
super serious star was spoilers 100 percent truehardcore fans beware jar jar corners leia gets nude an throws haymaker after haymaker at her. chewie backs away in fear being next. leia lays there bloody with faded vision staring at the light. they let george r.r, write a scene han shot first
actual spoiler i think this first order thing is weird it doesn't feel like the imperium more like some cult that tries to be as cool as they were
you don't get the feeling of them having several planets or a fleet or sth like that