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#37 - iherdcows ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
this **** is rael
User avatar #96 to #37 - pokim (08/01/2014) [-]
i kek'd
#3 - include (07/31/2014) [-]
User avatar #162 to #3 - gitanisme (08/01/2014) [-]
>implying the guys firing rockets are even killed
#54 to #3 - stalini (08/01/2014) [-]
Stop posting this picture.
It's not slightly funny, it's just pro-jewish pic and only pro-jewish people thumb it up
#77 to #54 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Stop posting this comment, only pro-muslim find it offensive, only pro muslim will thumb up your comment.
#102 to #77 - stalini (08/01/2014) [-]
>Comparing a nation and a religion
#175 to #102 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
>pro-jewish
>implying jews=Israel not Israel=jews
#130 to #3 - BloodAwaits ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
IDF and company detected.
IDF and company detected.
#12 to #3 - masterboll (08/01/2014) [-]
JIDF's face every time this picture is posted
User avatar #5 to #3 - chrisel (07/31/2014) [-]
''You fired rockets at Israel from residential areas so when they bomb the launch areas you can show the media that Israel is bombing the innocents''?

''Hakim, you brilliant **** .''
User avatar #34 to #5 - cdmin (08/01/2014) [-]
bombing un-schools, hospitals and homes of civilians are warcrimes.
User avatar #212 to #34 - nywrestler ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Using UN schools to store huge caches of weapons is A-OK in your book though?
User avatar #215 to #212 - cdmin (08/01/2014) [-]
its not. but its not like israel does not do warcrimes on purpose. they slaughter civilians, break pregnant womens legs .... the list is endless.
#39 to #34 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
yeah, because no country has ever committed a war crime they weren't held responsible en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:War_crimes_committed_by_country
User avatar #43 to #39 - kanadetenshi (08/01/2014) [-]
"Others have done it too therefor we should be allowed to do so"
#76 to #43 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Allow, not allow. Tell me who is going to punish those guilty? The USA? HAHAHA we **** everyone too! Get a life you ignorant **** .
User avatar #62 to #5 - logicstrike (08/01/2014) [-]
let's face it it's hamas that want the war, and they are doing all the right things to get it
User avatar #211 to #62 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Hamas wants the blockade to end
Al Jazeera: "Meshaal said Hamas wants the 'aggression to stop tomorrow, today, or even this minute. But [Israel must] lift the blockade with guarantees and not as a promise for future negotiations'. He added 'we will not shut the door in the face of any humanitarian ceasefire backed by a real aid programme'."
www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/hamas-rejects-gaza-truce-unless-blockade-lift-2014723225048114622.html

Jerusalem Post: "One day after an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire accepted by Israel, but rejected by Hamas, fell through, the terrorist organization proposed a 10-year end to hostilities in return for its conditions being met by Israel, Channel 2 reported Wednesday.. Hamas's conditions were the release of re-arrested Palestinian prisoners who were let go in the Schalit deal, the opening of Gaza-Israel border crossings in order to allow citizens and goods to pass through, and international supervision of the Gazan seaport in place of the current Israeli blockade." BBC: "Israel's security cabinet has rejected a week-long Gaza ceasefire proposal put forward by US Secretary of State John Kerry 'as it stands'."
www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/What-are-Hamass-conditions-for-a-cease-fire-363011
#28 to #5 - envinite (08/01/2014) [-]
W...we a-attack Israel first? What ar u talking about..? Have you not seen the truth from all teh news channel?

Have you not remembered the 100.00.0.0.0.0.0.000.0 innocent civilians they killed, yet we only kill liek 3 Israelis from shooting rockets to their houses?

Have you not feeling shame because we are just defenseless innocent civilians while Israel is supported by America and Illutimuty who want to kill all the muslims?

THIS IS WAR CREEMES! PLS SUPPORT US OR UR ZIONIST.
User avatar #57 to #28 - thatoneiranianguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Isn't that literally just the reverse argument style for the Israelis?

>Do something wrong
>Get criticised for it
>Remind them of the 6 million.

Let's not pretend either side is being fair here.
User avatar #58 to #57 - envinite (08/01/2014) [-]
Yea, I'm joking dude
User avatar #63 to #58 - thatoneiranianguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Sorry, it's just your caricaturing the very same people that quite realistically act this way.

So it was hard to tell, although at the end of the day I still top kek'd.
User avatar #98 to #5 - niggastolemyname ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Laughably ineffective rockets fired in desperation.
#106 to #5 - dross (08/01/2014) [-]
My personal 'favourite' was the rocket(s) launched from right next to/on top of a hospital for the disabled.   
   
Air strike in response killed a  carer and two invalids. Bonus Western Media rage 10 000 points.
My personal 'favourite' was the rocket(s) launched from right next to/on top of a hospital for the disabled.

Air strike in response killed a carer and two invalids. Bonus Western Media rage 10 000 points.
User avatar #146 to #106 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Wasn't it pretty much confirmed that was idf propaganda though?
#161 to #5 - gitanisme (08/01/2014) [-]
Yeah, Western medias and governments are totally against Israel and they love Hamas so much !

Let me educate you, you irremediable ******* . The rockets fired by Hamas are harmless old **** and they barely kill anyone.
The bombings from the IDF kills WAY more civilians than Hamas terrorists.
Why not just send the bloody infantry to actually make a difference ?

Oh I forgot, your army sucks when it's not about flying a drone. Managed to lose 50 soldiers and a Merkava against kebabs with old Russian weapons.

If you want to be a civilized country, act like one and stop trying to justify bombing civilians in ANY way.
User avatar #168 to #161 - chrisel (08/01/2014) [-]
I understand that what Israel is doing is wrong, and as a Dutchman, I also only hear the western media about how Israel is evil because they bomb civilians, but a lot of them could be prevented. Hamas has ignored multiple cease fires, so Israel can't really stop and if Hamas would move militarily equipment out of residential areas or away from schools, hospitals and nursing homes, maybe there would be a significant decrease in dead civilians.

Though I do agree with people that say that Israel started this conflict and should give the Muslims their land back.
User avatar #169 to #168 - gitanisme (08/01/2014) [-]
The civs have nothing to do with the Hamas though.

I wish ISIS and **** like that went to fight against Israel, at least that would be equal and they'll have something else to do than bombing civs.
User avatar #171 to #169 - chrisel (08/01/2014) [-]
Exactly, the civs have nothing to do with the conflict, Hamas should move away from their homes, hospitals and schools.
User avatar #174 to #171 - gitanisme (08/01/2014) [-]
Hamas are terrorists. Israel is supposed to be a civilized country.
The Hamas could easily be wiped out in a clean way with infantry.
User avatar #179 to #174 - chrisel (08/01/2014) [-]
But that means that Israel would have to get their army into Gaza, Gaza is a densely populated area, the only way I can see this happening with less victims then what is happening now is that Israel orders a evacuation of Gaza and all of it's residents and then invade them. But that would give Hamas the time to flee, and even the dumbest person on earth would choose to flee because they would not win this.
#40 to #5 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Good goy
User avatar #220 to #5 - Hawke (08/01/2014) [-]
Chaim please.
#18 - angelusprimus ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Muslims who live far away from middle east.
"Israel is evil and killing civilians! Kill all Israeli! Stop this!"
Egypt, Saudi and Jordanians,
"I hope Israeli kill every ************* Hamas idiot."

Seriously. Arabs from countries close enough to have Hamas people in them hate Hamas far far far more then Israel.
#66 to #18 - fbiagent (08/01/2014) [-]
really? do you know why? im honestly curious
#68 to #66 - angelusprimus ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Two major reasons:
Because Hamas is a terrorist organization that finances itself through donations and criminal activity. Kidnappings, blackmail, threats, smuggling and drug trade is just part of major criminal underground that Hamas leads. And the countries where they operate are sick of them.
And secondly because they, like every fanatical criminal organization kills people who oppose it, seem to oppose it, or just disagree with it. Politicians, journalists even private citizens have been killed for either being outspoken against Hamas or not supportive enough.
People in Egypt especially hate Hamas, because of gaza bordering Egyptian lands, their operation in Egypt have been especially active.
User avatar #152 to #68 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
You got any independent source for that mate? because I'm fairly certain Hamas gets its money from Iran and Syrië.
User avatar #89 to #68 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
also after the recent events, when Egypt managed to organized a ceasefire from both sides, the Hamas broke it.
#134 to #18 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Wrong, we hate Hamas but we think that Israel is worse.
User avatar #142 to #18 - fuelnfire (08/01/2014) [-]
Even some people in Lebanon hate Hamas, they just hate Israel as well.
User avatar #213 to #18 - bjornkrage (08/01/2014) [-]
I think everybody hates religious terrorists.
User avatar #44 to #18 - Kingsteveooo (08/01/2014) [-]
I really don't care about whos on whos side.
When you are bombing hospitals and nursing homes, no matter what your cause it, im going to be against it.
#70 to #44 - angelusprimus ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
And world would be a wonderful beautiful place if everything was that simple.
Lets say you live in Texas or Cali, and crazy mexican cartel/political party decides that Texas and California belong to them.
Their way of letting you know that is that during peace time they shoot rockets into Texas and California, deliberately targeting civilians, like kindergardens.
BUT, they put those weapons on hospitals and nursing homes.

Lets say your family gets killed in one such unprovoked attack.
Would you still be against targeting those weapons, that killed your family, no matter where they are?
And lets not forget, Israeli call and warn that they will be shooting at those places, giving time for civilians to leave, and Hamas not just keeps weapons in those buildings, but they make civilians stay.

Is bombing hospitals horrible? Hell yes. but its not that ******* simple.
User avatar #231 to #70 - Kingsteveooo (08/01/2014) [-]
Your comparison is of apples and oranges my friend.
Palestine didn't just decide that land belongs to them, that is their land. They have been living on it and never left. The British GAVE land that wasn't theirs (or vacant) to a group of people claiming that land is theirs.
As far as letting you know its theirs by firing rockets.. No, the rockets Hamas is firing isn't to announce they want the land, its a rebellion against an abusive oppressor that has been occupying their land for the past 50+ years, treating them as the Southern US treated slaves in the 18-1900s.
Now, as far as the weapons inside the nursing homes and hospitals.. first off, this is claim that has never been backed by evidence. And even if it had, you don't use a tank to bomb an entire hospital, nursing home or UN school filled with civilians to go after 1 (alleged) target,

Nearly all of Hamas' rockets are neutralized by the Iron dome. There haven't been any Israeli civilian casualties to my knowledge.
As for their warning... They are warned of a bomb threat, with a smaller warning bombing.. And where are they to flee to? Israel has build a massive fence surrounding all of Gaza.

If you'd like a more accurate comparison, Hamas is like a woman attacking her raper. And the raper reacting in anger by shooting her multiple times.
User avatar #172 to #70 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Also, I like to believe that I'm a good enough person that I would be against anything which will kill children and infants, like bombing hospitals and schools.
User avatar #157 to #70 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
>Lets say you live in Texas or Cali, and crazy mexican cartel/political party decides that Texas and California belong to them.
Did you by any chance steal Texas or Cali from them, destroying 500 villages in the process and creating 2miljoen(or was it 2 hundred thousand?) refugees? because otherwise your comparison is a simplification which purposefully ignores facts to make one side seem worse than it is.

>Lets say your family gets killed in one such unprovoked attack.
>unprovoked
If you are building illegal settlement on their land you can hardly call them unprovoked.
>say your family gets killed
How many families got killed again on Israels side?
#222 to #157 - angelusprimus ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
1: Actually, yes, USA did steal Texas from Mexico. By settling it and then starting a rebellion. And if anyone is making only one side to be blamed is you.

2: Settlements are in West Bank, and goverment of Isreal keeps removing them. No one wants to settle Gaza. Also, you'll notice no one is bombing or dying in West Bank. That's because West Bank is not under control of Hamas. Attacks from Gaza are unprovoked and come usually when absolutely nothing is going on, so the impact would be greatest.

3: Its not ******* math. People died on Israeli side when there was no warning, during truce, and it keeps happening. Hamas targets civilians, not Israeli military, and unlike with Israel its not because civilians are miliatary are intermingled. Its because they WANT to provoke attacks.
User avatar #229 to #222 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
>Actually, yes, USA did steal Texas from Mexico. By settling it and then starting a rebellion.
Did you also destroy 500 villages in the process and create 7 hundred thousand refugees?

>goverment of Isreal keeps removing them.
Mate...
>you'll notice no one is bombing or dying in West Bank.
You are terrible at following the news, aren't you?
>Attacks from Gaza are unprovoked and come usually when absolutely nothing is going on
Last time I checked a war was going on.

>People died on Israeli side when there was no warning, during truce
>during truce
A truce Israel broke, not Hamas

> and unlike with Israel its not because civilians are miliatary are intermingled.
Those 4 children on the beach sure were intermingled with military, and that market place sure was intermingled with military, and al sheefa hospital sure was intermingled with military.
#230 to #229 - angelusprimus ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Yeah, I'm done, salaam to you.
Just a note though. Yes there was quite a bit of military hardware in the hospital which is why UN inspectors are saying both Hamas and Israel should be up on war crimes, and no Israel didn't break the truce.

User avatar #232 to #230 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
IDF please

> Israel didn't break the truce.
Times of Israel: "Hamas operatives were behind a large volley of rockets which slammed into Israel Monday morning, the first time in years the Islamist group has directly challenged the Jewish state, according to Israeli defense officials.. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.. Hamas hasn't fired rockets into Israel since Operation Pillar of Defense ended in November 2012."
www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired-rockets-for-first-time-since-2012-israeli-officials-say/

The Nation: "During ten days of Operation Brother's Keeper in the West Bank [before the start of the Gaza conflict], Israel arrested approximately 800 Palestinians without charge or trial, killed nine civilians and raided nearly 1,300 residential, commercial and public buildings. Its military operation targeted Hamas members released during the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange in 2011."
www.thenation.com/article/180783/five-israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked#

>Yes there was quite a bit of military hardware in the hospital
Source?
User avatar #184 to #157 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
>2miljoen
2 million*

And the correct number is 7 hundred thousand.
User avatar #128 to #18 - mamen ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Yep I can confirm. Everyone over here hates their guts.
User avatar #155 to #18 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Arabs in Saudi Arabia and Jordanian aren't anti Hamas. There have been multiple protest in those nations to try and get their government to do something. You are right on the Egyptians though, but only because Sisi has been using his propaganda machine to put Hamas, which is really the Palestine branch of the Muslim brotherhood, in a black light. Before he seized power Hamas was very popular there.
#221 to #155 - angelusprimus ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Yeah, the poor uneducated people who are being stirred by their clerics and bribed by things Hamas buys them, they do support Hamas.
Just like poor in Brazil slums like the cartels.
User avatar #223 to #221 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
I still haven't seen a source that Hamas is a criminal organisation that is active outside its border and uses crime to gain it's resources.
#51 - megakillerx (08/01/2014) [-]
Obligatory.
#32 - Fjcf (08/01/2014) [-]
but teh hamas has fired 43253882934555 rockets
#4 - economic (07/31/2014) [-]
**economic rolled image** I'm in England right now and most of the media is so anti-Israel it's killing me. All you see day in and day out is dead kids and wonderful biased media.

Lolocaust 2.0 here we come.
User avatar #138 to #4 - zevran (08/01/2014) [-]
I would like to point out that Israel is killing far more people than Hamas.

That is a fact. That the media reports this is not bias.

In fact, every single time Hamas manages to kill even a single civilian it is reported. Gaza civlians are just numbers now.

And more than that, I think that insulting reporters who have been to the Gaza strip and are reporting on the horror being rained from the sky on 1,8 million people is beneath you. You don't reach those reporters to their ankles, moraly.

In short, eat dick ******** .
User avatar #149 to #4 - lethaldose (08/01/2014) [-]
i don't get this ... our new are neutral to this conflict, and even always pins out that HAMAS have broken the cease fire ... but foreign media, maaaan ... they go after Israel hard and i still don't know why ... i'm not saying that there are not civilians dying (a lot of them) but i also found an article, that stated, that a lot of photos of dead children, presented in media all around a world are photos of Asad's victims
#33 to #4 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Who would think that when a lot of people die they blame the one that murdered them.
#50 to #4 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
...I thought you hated Israel and Jews, though?
User avatar #52 to #50 - economic (08/01/2014) [-]
I do. I love the biased media against them, that's all.
User avatar #55 to #52 - thatoneiranianguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Although I don't hate Jews, I passionately despise Israel's existence.

It's good to see a media revolution over there, it may be biased media but considering the lands have been crushed under pro-Israel propaganda for years now it's good that there's a sudden counter-propaganda push in the United Kingdom and Europe against Israel's world image. Israel deserves every piece of criticism it gets, even if its unfair.
User avatar #60 to #55 - economic (08/01/2014) [-]
I agree but I don't want the jews to even have the right to live in Europe. They've done too much damage to us and America.
User avatar #61 to #60 - thatoneiranianguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
I can agree to the most extent. While you'll get a group of Jews who wish to properly and fully assimilate under the customs and laws of a foreign culture, most wont.

Same thing with Islam in Europe. Sure, the Turkish guy down the street might sell a good kebab, but that doesn't make up for the 10 muslims raping your daughter.

I guess my point is they don't belong there because the majority refuse to change.
User avatar #64 to #61 - economic (08/01/2014) [-]
The world would be better if Europe was for Europeans and Africa was for Africans etc.

It's going to end in tears with all the far right groups growing in Europe, but the Muslims will have to go, I don't want a Europe where the jews push for far left, feminist loving, anti-white and open boarder Europe no more that I want a Europe where my wife might get stoned to death or beaten because she won't dress in a "moderate" way.

I'm sure you want an Iran that's for the Iranian people.

User avatar #65 to #64 - thatoneiranianguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
I still think it can be. You just have to change this cultural mentality that Europe, (and a lot of the western world,) has been branded with that "new age 'liberalism' is the future and advancement of the people," and all that other ******** . Sure it sounds all fine and dandy but it ends up going against human nature. People, their race, ethnicity, culture etc want to survive and live on in solidarity.

As for Iran, certainly, I personally believe it should be left untouched by an Islamic government and the land should be reserved for the Iranian peoples, Persians and Kurds alike, if they so wish.

What is unfortunate though is when people make statements like "Europe for Europeans..." etc etc, they assume its because you're inherently racist or a Hitler reincarnate or some sort. Personally I admire all cultures and customs and wish to see them first hand all over the world...but that's the point of traveling...I don't want to take a ship to Oslo to taste authentic kebab....
User avatar #69 to #4 - meganinja ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Don't have to worry about that here in America. Damn it feels nice to live in a country where we don't put sand ******* above jews.
User avatar #71 to #69 - economic (08/01/2014) [-]
Yea, so you have jews controlling your banks, media and opening your boarders while funding feminism for the last 45 years and you thank them by giving them half of your foreign aid to Israel. I think you got the short end of that stick.
User avatar #72 to #71 - meganinja ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
At least they're not blowing us up.
User avatar #73 to #72 - economic (08/01/2014) [-]
They're pushing america into many wars that greatly benefit Israel at the cost of American blood and money.

The islamic world hates america because of their support for Israel and the moronic wars that the jewish banks push so they attack and kill your people. The jews have done much worse to your country than any muslim group.


User avatar #74 to #73 - meganinja ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Congress is going to be controlled by someone anyways. And there are worse causes than defending israel. Although if it were up to me I'd rather be controlled by the Japanese or Koreans. Out of America's allies at least they seem loyal

User avatar #90 to #74 - economic (08/01/2014) [-]
Or, you could control yourselves?
You're america, you can destroy any other county on earth.
User avatar #114 to #90 - meganinja ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Yeah but there's no point in that really. And whoever controls congress is going to want something out of it. And companies are worse about it than Jews are. I don't put my money in banks and I don't watch American media, not much else I can do.

And somebody's always going to control Congress. If Bill Gates really wanted a place in my heart he'd buy out Congress and put it to good use instead of letting the banks, phone companies, and other sleasy businesses control us.
#36 to #4 - clythoris (08/01/2014) [-]
I can confirm this from listening to BBC radio.
User avatar #42 to #4 - darknak (08/01/2014) [-]
Here from Canada, we became ******* pro-palestinian in my region. Same thing, the media is always only showing one part of the medal
#25 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Stop dees plox. All these things do is set off "THE JEWS ARE EVIL!" and "THE JEWS ARE OPPRESSED!".

NO ONE on this site knows the whole story so don't try to be all smart and political by commenting on **** you don't actually care about.
User avatar #139 to #25 - zevran (08/01/2014) [-]
I just know Israel seems to prefer bombing a havily populated area with 1,8 million people living in it regularly instead of actually working to solve the problem.

Hamas may be assholes. But Israel are assholes with a modern army and air force.
#182 to #139 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
you know nothing John Snow
User avatar #185 to #182 - zevran (08/01/2014) [-]
As I said. Hamas are assholes.
User avatar #191 to #185 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
so you understand that Israel doesn't really prefer to bombing a heavily populated area.
but most of its targets are deliberately placed in a heavily populated area by the Hamas.
User avatar #206 to #191 - zevran (08/01/2014) [-]
I understand that as the by far strongest party Israel is responsible for the murder of thousands of civilians. The collective punishment of an entire population. Breaking every international convention. Violating human rights and generally being assholes.

It's pretty clear that the Israli goverment prefers to use Hamas and their "holy rights" in order to boost popularity through nationalist sentiment instead of trying to solve the problem.
User avatar #210 to #206 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
so let me get this straight, Hamas is attacking Israel, then threatens/convinces its population to shield their weapons, and because of that, Israel is just suppose to give up?
User avatar #214 to #210 - zevran (08/01/2014) [-]
Israel is protected from those rockets by their Iron Dome. Hamas is a very small danger to Israel.

Instead of talking to Hamas. Or ending their blockade of Gaza, or stopping their unlawful settlement and occupation of Palestinian terretories they simply prefer to bomb Gaza to dust every three years or so. Killing a few thousand civilians, then declearing victory.

It's not gaining Israel anything but contempt from every other country. It only increses support for Hamas among the Palestinian population and it does not stop the fairly useless rocket attacks.
User avatar #216 to #214 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
the Iron dome does not get 100% of the missiles, and no matter the level of threat , those rockets are still a threat, no self respecting government will stay quite after such aggression.
and once again you show your lack of knowledge about the matters at hand.
in 2005 Israel moved it's forces out of Gaza, as a token of good will, after 2 years the Hamas was elected as the leaders of Gaza and started shooting rockets at Israel, so Israel started a blockade, for the sake of them not getting more weapons, and thus hoping there would be no need to do what you see today, tactical strikes and ground invasion into Gaza.
User avatar #219 to #216 - zevran (08/01/2014) [-]
I'm perfectly aware of the events that led to Hamas gaining power in Gaza. They're assholes, as twice before mentioned.

Now, the Iron dome may not get every single rocket. But it is far between every time a rocket kills someone in Israel. While more than a hundred palestinians die every day as Israel bombs the heavily populated Gaza strip.

Now the blockade is in force in order to prevent Hamas from gaining weapons. Fair enough. But it doesn't seem to be working, does it?

No self respecting goverment would accept rockets being shot into their land. Fair enough. But no goverment that respects the life of innocents would slaughter 1000 civilians for every one they lose themselves.

Israel, as the strongest party is responsible for creating peace. If they really want to get rid of Hamas perhaps they should just occupy Gaza again, instead of punishing the civilian population with air strikes every time their goverment needs a boost in the polls. Perhaps they should negotiate. Actually follow through with the agreements they've signed?

I know. Unbelieveable ideas. Wanting peace instead of the slaughter of thousands.
User avatar #224 to #219 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
still, why should the Israeli government accept having the life of its citizens under a constant risk? the only reason people in Gaza keep dying is from the reasons I stated above while Israel is trying to get it's own citizens out of the danger zone, a governments first duty is the guarantee of its citizens protection

you think the blockade isn't working? the Hamas smuggle weapons to be able so start raining missiles on Israel every 2 years, if not for that blockade, this **** would happen every 3 months, meaning even more civilian casualties from the Palestinian side. doesn't sound so bad now, does it?

and as I said before, a governments first responsibility is for its citizens safety, and the minute they are in danger, it is the governments responsibility to eliminate the threat.

occupying Gaza again is a possible way to stop this conflict, but you do realize that would mean even more casualties for both sides, and will start an uproar from the international community, and Israel wants neither.

nobody wants the slaughter of thousands, accept for fanatics, but there won't be any peace as long as the Hamas is in control.
the only slight chance for peace is if the population will stop supporting them, and thankfully, there have been recent indication of that happening
User avatar #233 to #224 - zevran (08/01/2014) [-]
The way I see it the people in charge in Israel are just as fanatical as Hamas. Only difference is they have a superpower ally and modern weapons.

2 civilians from Israel have been killed during this conflict. Upwards of 1000 Palestinian civilians have died.

That's not protecting your people. That's collective punishment of a group of people, bordering on genocide.

Israels blockade of Gaza only strenghtens support for Hamas among both their own civilians and the world population. It's only natural that people try to strike back when somebody blockades them, denies them food and supplies and the ability to leave.

Occupying Gaza might mean the death of a fair few soldiers. But in the long run it would be more merciful. And honest. The way it is now Hamas will still stay in power, still possess weapons and Isreal will still continue to loose allies and recognition in the world community.

I look forward to the day Israel has so little support left they'll have to actually sit down and find a sollution.

Now, I've made my points. I won't change your mind. So I'll stop now.
User avatar #235 to #233 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
wow, I actually loled reading your comment.

it is around 50 soldiers, but I know that it's the small number you meant

the blockade might strengthen the Hamas from some point, but those who are smart enough to understand that Israel does it because of the Hamas, have less a reason to.
and here is the part I loled:
while the blockade is active, Israel constantly sends aid to Gaza, as is instructed by the UN, that aid includes food, building materials and other supplies, which by the way are being taken from the population by the Hamas, not to mention a connection to its electricity and water grid free of charge.
any other aid from countries besides Israel can also reach them, but only through Israel that checks if that "humanitarian aid" doesn't happen to include several ak-47s or the such, at least thats what would have happened if not for the tunnels

an operation to occupy Gaza will cost much more then several soldiers and tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties.

and don't hold your breath, Israel has supports because thankfully other leaders of nations understand the situation better then you.

now, I've made my point, and I wish you a good day
#236 to #208 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
oh how cute, you managed to zoom out and take a photo of a different section of the hospital.

and though it took me a while I managed to find it on Google maps
and I also happened to find that you are full of ****
User avatar #237 to #236 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
probably not even a different section, just a different building
#35 to #25 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Really?. What are you, 12?. Zionism was invented 1890, colonisation of Palestine started 1910, not enough time?. I've been watching this conflict more years that you live probably, and as long as you aren't jewish or watched it on the jewish owned media you ******* know what is happening, and it's very simple. Read ************* , internet is not only for porn, you know.
#75 to #35 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
so you watched it from Iran for the whole 5 years you live and you think you know everything that's going on?
User avatar #80 to #35 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
How the **** does this guy get thumbed down
#20 - kaboomz (08/01/2014) [-]
except they are using rockets instead of mines
except they are using rockets instead of mines
#2 - fezzo (07/31/2014) [-]
Oh god so those games of me playing minesweeper actually bombed the Gaza strip?
I bombed a country without even knowing it!
#7 to #2 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Time to go to bed little boy
#10 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Is this minecraft?
User avatar #14 to #10 - brobafett (08/01/2014) [-]
**** this generation
#11 to #10 - drsalty ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Yep. totally minecraft. see those mines?
#133 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Both sides are doing ****** up **** . But the fact is this would never have happened if Jews hadn't stolen that area. They used to live in peace with a big muslim majority and a small number of jews. Then jews all of a sudden thought **** it let's take this land.
This is a very similar situation to what's going on in my homeland Cyprus. Turkish and Greek Cypriots lived in peace with a Greek majority. All of a sudden Turkey invades and takes a third of the country.
One thing is different though, no-one except for Turkey recognises the country of Northern Cyprus that they own. And that should be the case with Isreal, no-one should recognise it. It's stolen land, simple as that.
#156 to #133 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
but....the Jews didn't steal it...the British gave them and the Arabs pieces, and the Arabs didn't want the Jews to get anything.
If anything, the Arabs tried to "steal" in a way the other half of everything from the British who split it between both parties. the only "steal" on the Jews part is that they snuck in in the beginning and were a minority when the land was split.
#163 to #133 - foxranger (08/01/2014) [-]
Israel was formed by U.N. resolution in 1948. They formed two separate nations, one for jews and one for arabs and jerusulam was supposed to be under an international U.N. big brother administration. Well the arabs didnt like that and wouldn't agree so they went to war to DESTROY Israel after they declared independence. Iraq, syria, and jordan (I believe) went to war and got their asses kicked. Israel took land they won through the war (Golan Heights). Gaza was actually under the big brother administration of the egyptians till the late 80's and lost it after, yet again, going to war with Israel. Arab nations went to war with Israel four times and lost every single time. They didnt go to war because Israel was persecuting anyone then, they went to war because they despise the idea of a jewish state. Before people start saying "oh the Palestinians were there first". ******** guys, Judaism is about three times older than Island and twice as old as Christianity. Jewish nomads were all over the region several thousand years ago. In fact, both groups were. The inability for either group to accept the other is the problem here. Theres a lot more to it that I can discuss but I wont ramble on further.
#137 to #133 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
ummm... there is also the issue of there never being a Palestinian state, before Israel it was controlled by the British that divided the are between the two, the Palestinians didn't agree and kept saying "all of it is ours" even though they never really owned it
User avatar #143 to #133 - drewbridge (08/01/2014) [-]
And by stolen, you mean when Israel was invaded they took land from their many, many invading neighbors.
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User avatar #153 to #150 - drewbridge (08/01/2014) [-]
By "stole" you mean the Brits gave it to them.
Basically, everyone's butthurt that Arabs suck astronomically at warfare to the point where 3-5 of them invading a tiny country at once all failed because they're such **** .
#189 to #153 - jujuface ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Meanwhile Israel in current day is claiming its 80% civilian kill rate is purely accidental, making them either the most incompetent military in the entire world or the boldest liars.
User avatar #275 to #189 - drewbridge (08/03/2014) [-]
Lol, you're ******* retarded.

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You don't have to look at all of them. You don't need to, it won't change anything.
Israel warns with phonecalls in advance, by the way.


Hamas. Wants. Palestinians. Dead. It's good PR for them, and bad for Israel. Hamas wants Palestinians dead. It's not even that they don't care, they want civilians to die. It's either that, or they hope that Israel won't fire on them if they store and shoot rockets from Hospitals and population centers, and build tunnels under Palestinian homes. People who didn't want anything to do with the war are now displaced because terrorists dug infiltration holes under their homes.

Hamas wants Jews and Palestinians both death.
#276 to #275 - jujuface ONLINE (08/05/2014) [-]
You're 100% right Hamas does want Palestinians dead. That's the one thing they have in common with Israel. SEVEN. Seven UN schools and hospitals hit by Israel's bombs and ZERO zero Hamas in any of those buildings. NO militants were among the dead only citizens. The latest was an 8 year old girl Palestinian hit with a bomb at 7:06 GMT. SIX minutes after a ceasefire had started.
I'm really trying to see what makes Hamas any worse than Israel's government at this point, and besides them being more brazen and stupid, I just don't see it.
User avatar #279 to #276 - drewbridge (08/08/2014) [-]
Hamas hides bombs/rockets by hospitals/hotels/schools, everything.

You think Israel is saying "lol, let's randomly bomb UN schools and kill people for no reason, this is a good idea!" when they have precision airstrikes and warnings via phonecalls and **** ...

If that is what you think, if that is what you believe, you're too retarded to change.
User avatar #201 to #189 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
never claimed it to be accidental, only claims that it was deliberately planned by the enemy
#203 to #201 - jujuface ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Ah so it is the enemy (im guessing that means hamas?) plan to have Israel kill civilians (why?) and Israel is so weak and impressionable that they bend to the will of a handful of terrorists
User avatar #207 to #203 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
is it really so hard to figure out why??? the Hamas knows it can't beat Israel by means of force, so it goes to another battlefield, the media.
you know jack about this entire conflict and you just take flight because of one sides propaganda
#239 to #207 - jujuface ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
I know full well what Hamas is trying to do. It's a last ditch effort because if they had virtually any other means of attacking Israel, they would. And what does it accomplish for Israel killing all these innocents? I mean other than accomplishing the goal of Hamas
User avatar #241 to #239 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
why do you keep thinking it's Israels goal to kill innocents?
its goal is to destroy as many weapon stashes as possible, so that there won't be anything left to fire at it.

problem is, that the Hamas places all of its rockets at civilian houses and schools, so the UN tells Israel to give a warning before a strike, but the Hamas convinces/threatens the civilians to stay put, so Israel is attacking it's targets, hoping that there are no civilians in the area, but knowing that they are probably there, and will be used to for the media.

so Israel is left with attacking with casualties,
or do you expect them to do nothing and say "well, maybe they'll get tired of it"?
#242 to #241 - jujuface ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
The goal is to take the Gaza strip. You know that damn well. Now I can ask you the same, what do you expect the people of Gaza to do? Just give up their homeland? Nevermind what Hamas would say because they are a bunch of savages but if a treaty for returning to the 1967 borders was offered to PM Netanyahu do you think accepting it would be in the realm of possibilities? The prime minister of Israel has made it clear that he wants peace about as much as Hamas wants to surrender. It's not going to happen. The only outcome if things continue like this is total genocide of the population of Gaza.
User avatar #246 to #242 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
oh **** man, STOP! I'M DYING LAUGHING HERE!! you are literally too stupid to insult, and I usually try to not insult people I argue with.

"take the Gaza strip" IT WAS FREAKING UNDER THE CONTROL OF ISRAEL UP TO 2005!!! ISRAEL DECIDED TO GIVE IT TO THE PALESTINIANS AS A TOKEN OF FREE WILL

"1967 borders was offered to PM Netanyahu do you think accepting it would be in the realm of possibilities? The prime minister of Israel has made it clear that he wants peace about as much as Hamas wants to surrender"
are you even old enough to watch news? there were negotiations about dividing the land between Israel and Palestine SEVERAL TIMES, and you know who rejected the offer every time? I'll give you a hint, their biggest problem in the conditions is "to acknowledge Israel as a state"
User avatar #262 to #251 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
by the date I see it is connected to the proposal of Palestine becoming full members of the UN, and you know why Netanyahu didn't accept that? because they didn't agree to the one condition of Palestine acknowledging Israel, of course he added the matter of border for the upcoming elections, but he is always willing to negotiate for the sake of two state.
#183 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
All in all, everyone knows US and UK is Israel's bitch. **** Israel.
#268 to #183 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Yep, so it tells you everything when UK and USA media are condemning Israel. They must have really ****** up for their bitches to go against them.
#67 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
I'm not necessarily pro-Israel i'm just extremely anti-Islam. Anyone that kills Muslims is good in my book and I support them. Islam is a plague and needs to be eradicated. I'm glad Israel has began the battle but we need to join in and help them destroy Islam once and for all.
#196 to #67 - jujuface ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
You're literally just as bad as Hamas. You do realize that right? It's people like you that make me empathize with radical muslim groups in Gaza. I mean you're trying to erase them from the face of the earth..why wouldn't they want to do the same?
#225 to #196 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Because they're in the wrong and i'm in the right.
#238 to #225 - jujuface ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
I'm sure they'd disagree
#247 to #238 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
And they'd be wrong if they did.
#81 to #67 - swagmonstah (08/01/2014) [-]
I agree completely. You're a good man anonymous. It's too bad you were too scared to share such an unpopular opinion with your username, but I salute you.
#87 to #81 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Are you implying that a user name is any less anonymous? Do you know how easy it so to make a new user name?
User avatar #79 to #67 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
Calm down there Hitler
#88 to #79 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
You never dealt with the people. How would you know who needs to calm down? Maybe when they decide to rape your wife and behead her then kill your daughter for having a whore mother.
User avatar #93 to #88 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
Funny, I got lots of friends in Palestine(also Israel). Arabs are very friendly people. Israel is fighting Hamas, but are there no criminal organizations in your country? 13 Dead Israeli civilians since 2009. Over a 1000 dead Palestinian civilians just this last week.

Who are the terrorists again?
User avatar #118 to #93 - darknak (08/01/2014) [-]
The reason why all those civilians die is because Hamas is hiding and shooting missiles among them. They use civilians as human shields. If the civilians wants to leave the place, hamas just threaten to kill them anyway.
User avatar #234 to #118 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
>They use civilians as human shields. If the civilians wants to leave the place, hamas just threaten to kill them anyway.
Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: "I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel's accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields." The Guardian: "In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay."
www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/07/jeremy-bowens-gaza-notebook-i-saw-no-evidence-hamas-using-palestinians-human

The Independent: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields."]
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html
User avatar #261 to #234 - darknak (08/01/2014) [-]
you know that what one man saw doesn't mean you're right heh?

Isreal warned gaza civilians that they were going to bomb the place, yet some stayed. (don't tell me ******* like "they didn't want to leave their houses'', they knew they were going to get bombed the **** out)
User avatar #263 to #261 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Maybe they didn't have enough time? From what I have heard and seen Israel does not give them nearly enough time to escape.
User avatar #269 to #263 - darknak (08/01/2014) [-]
first of all, your "jeremy bowen" is a pro-hamas journalist, it kinda voids his telling.
and like i previously said, during the ceasefire, they waited while hamas trew them 7 rockets before attacking back just to be sure they knew there was a ceasefire. They might not be the most patient , but they still know how to give a bit of time before acting
User avatar #270 to #269 - darknak (08/01/2014) [-]
i previously said on another comment below *
#198 to #118 - jujuface ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Isreal just bombed a UN school after 17 warnings to avoid bombing that building. The bomb was fired just hours after the last warning. Zero militants dead, all casualties civilian. They also bombed a powerplant that knocked out almost all power indefinitely. Zero militants and one civilian death in that case, nevermind the civilian deaths that will result from the loss of power and water filtration.
#227 to #198 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
As long as those civilians were Muslims and Muslims used those buildings and power i'm happy. Wish more of them died honestly.
User avatar #218 to #198 - darknak (08/01/2014) [-]
don't forget the fact that Hamas didn't listen to the ceasefire. Isreal waited 7 bombing to be sure Hamas had the time to know the're was a ceasefire.
#109 to #93 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
they sure are friendly to other Muslims
#111 to #109 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
You found a picture of people with some, good for you!
#121 to #111 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Jews Christians and Muslims already can live in peace in Israel, if they choose to.
User avatar #112 to #109 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
Also I'm a christian from the Netherlands.
#117 to #93 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
I wish it was more than only 1000. As long as the civilians who are dying are Muslims i'm happy.
#104 to #93 - swagmonstah (08/01/2014) [-]
The terrorists are the ones allowing a terrorist organization to occupy their land and take pot shots at a sovereign nation. Israel is defending itself, you think 9 civilians is an acceptable death toll? You're a ******* idiot. 1 civilian should be viewed as worth over 1 million of your enemy's lives.
If Palestine would get together and expose Hamas, end their tunnel networks and point out their missile sites civilians wouldn't be dying.
User avatar #105 to #104 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
So what you are saying is: all civilian casualties are worth x1 million.
Yet, all palestinian civilians are terrorists so it doesn't count.

That's great dude.
#167 to #105 - stenchschleifs (08/01/2014) [-]
>All palestinian civilians are terrorists so it doesn't count.   
   
"You don't like them. You don't really know why you don't like them; all you know is you find them repulsive." - Hans Landa, Inglourious Basterds
>All palestinian civilians are terrorists so it doesn't count.

"You don't like them. You don't really know why you don't like them; all you know is you find them repulsive." - Hans Landa, Inglourious Basterds
#107 to #105 - swagmonstah (08/01/2014) [-]
Yes, the civilians harboring terrorists are no better than the terrorists.
Simple **** , I'm sure you can wrap your mind around simple logic.
#110 to #107 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
That's also great. Did you know there are no elections held in Gaza.
-There's no water because Israel controls the water system
-There's no electricity because Israel bombed Gaza's only power plant last week
-Hamas is indeed, a criminal organization that does not fear to kill fellow Palestinians if they don't support them.

Let's all encourage Israel to bomb the **** out of these civilians. Pic related, it's from today.
#122 to #110 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
-no water
-no electricity
top kek

stop trying to sell ******** , no-ones buying
#116 to #110 - swagmonstah (08/01/2014) [-]
lol thanks for the picture by the way, that's my background for now.
#115 to #110 - swagmonstah (08/01/2014) [-]
You don't need elections to not support a terrorist organization. If 20% of the apartments in my complex were occupied by terrorists, so the complex across the street shut my water and power off and was shelling my complex... I would be exposing the terrorists exact locations, and evacuating to the safe areas dictated by the complex currently shelling mine.


It's really simple **** . A palestinian life will never be worth an Israeli's life. It's simple **** .
#274 to #115 - stenchschleifs (08/02/2014) [-]
Like a ******* jew would be worth anything then, all just bunch of ******* sand ******* .
#181 to #94 - megayoming (08/01/2014) [-]
Id be 			*******		 furious.
Id be ******* furious.
#17 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
USA: Russia, stop helping out Pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine, they just shot down a plane, killing all of those innocent civilians.
Meanwhile, USA supplies arms to Israel to help absolutely ******* annihilate a bunch of angry rebels in amongst helpless civilians in a strip the size of a piece of halal bacon just so that the Jews can have more land.
User avatar #46 to #17 - Mortuus (08/01/2014) [-]
When citizens willingly become human shields, they drop all non-combatant status.
#82 to #46 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
Oh yeah does this look like "willingly human shields" to you?
Picture is from today.
User avatar #84 to #82 - Mortuus (08/01/2014) [-]
The ordinance is not targeting the people, buddy. It's hitting a building down the street.
User avatar #86 to #84 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
So if it was your mom walking there it would be okay?

Because they're trying to hit a building which just happens to be in a crowded street and all that stuff.
User avatar #91 to #86 - Mortuus (08/01/2014) [-]
It's an active war zone... We did the same thing in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya.

Hamas would be happy to hit soft targets within Israel for the sake of killing them.


I'm not for the senseless killing of innocents, but it's going to happen in war and you have to accept that.
User avatar #95 to #91 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
"We did the same thing"

That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do.
Also: There is no war. Palestine does not have an army at all.
User avatar #97 to #95 - Mortuus (08/01/2014) [-]
I didn't say it was, I'm simply stating a similar event.

As for your definition of war, it's flawed. It's a conflict between two groups. It's very one-sided, but so are most wars, today.
User avatar #99 to #97 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
The only point I want to make is that ±1 million citizens of Gaza are victim of the Israelian government shelling a criminal organization in a civil area.

That does not make them "willingly human shields", that makes them victims.
User avatar #101 to #99 - Mortuus (08/01/2014) [-]
That was sketchy... Change your text color in the middle of a discussion, why don't ye'.
User avatar #103 to #101 - yellowpedobear (08/01/2014) [-]
Haha sorry about that, good to read that last sentence.


User avatar #100 to #99 - Mortuus (08/01/2014) [-]
For the people that honestly want no part of this conflict, I sympathize, but there have been more than a few reports of those "willing human shields".

I'm with you, though. Killing innocent non-combatants sucks.
User avatar #127 to #17 - mrselfdestruct (08/01/2014) [-]
halal bacon?
sounds impossible
#41 to #17 - junkposts (08/01/2014) [-]
gaza was given to palastaines as a act of peace, they used it as a closer place to shot missiles from. so wtf are you talking about
User avatar #22 to #17 - RiflemanFunny (08/01/2014) [-]
>US Bombs the living **** out of Iraq in 2003/04
>Tells other nations to calm the **** down

Israel hasn't got to US level bombing. I mean we are talking about a nation that nuked two cities just to make a point. If Bush was in office now, Gaza would be a ruinous heap. I mean the civilian deaths in the Iraq War were withheld from the Press for that **** .
User avatar #45 to #22 - Mortuus (08/01/2014) [-]
We leveled a good third of an Iraqi city once.

That was fun.
User avatar #49 to #45 - RiflemanFunny (08/01/2014) [-]
It's sad how people will forget that the majority of deaths in war are non-combatants. HOWEVER, there is a difference between non-combatants to innocents. Non-combatants can be whoever aids the enemy or not, while innocents are just poor folks that were in the wrong area at the wrong time. Innocents are non-combatants, but not all non-combatants are innocent. Throwing rocks are enough to get labeled as a combatant, so do the right thing and just run. Also, areas that house deadly munitions and other weapons are considered targets no matter what they are or who is in it. Chances are if you stay put and wander the streets of a war zone, there is no chance that there will be restraint from the attackers. If a mosque had JDAM's in it, no matter who was in that mosque, it could be Mother ******* Teresa, we're blowing it the **** up.
User avatar #56 to #49 - Mortuus (08/01/2014) [-]
The US tends to be a little more ... picky ... when it comes to dropping ordinance on mosques, but Israelis could give two ***** , and for that I commend them.
#85 to #56 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
I almost want to make an account just to fav this comment. Almost.
#186 - drasticdragon (08/01/2014) [-]
Hey guys! HEY GUYS LOOK! Look at all the bodies we have! That means we're winning the war, right? Sorry, i took this from the daily show last night
User avatar #119 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
Looking at the figures it is obvious that the palestinian people are at the greatest loss due to this conflict.The argument that exists is not whether Hamas or Israel is right, but rather the argument is that many civilians are dying, and that it should be stopped.

In my opinion, both Hamas and the Israeli government are to blame, as they continue to fight each other, although Israel clearly has greater destructive ability. However I think that both Israeli and Palestinian civilians will likely disagree with this feud, largely because of their vulnerability because of it.

A ceasefire must be established, however this is unlikely unless there is good reason to do so, and with larger powers such as the USA ultimately allowing this to continue, and arguably fueling it, as they are known to support Israel, a stable ceasefire will be hard to establish.

Supporting one side over another will not achieve much other than fuelling the fight - intervention is needed, however, as stated, it seems unlikely.

It is just sad to see so much pointless loss of life and it should be stopped.
#131 to #119 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
you do realize that there have already been several attempts for a ceasefire, each time being broken by the Hamas right?
User avatar #132 to #131 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
Yes, but as i have already pointed out - a stable ceasefire will require larger powers to enforce it.
#136 to #132 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
I am afraid you are confusing me, are you saying that the Hamas needs more power to equal the sides?
cause that will do the opposite of reaching a ceasefire.
or are you trying to say that both sides should be forced to start a ceasefire?
because in this case I come back to my previous comment, Israel kept each ceasefire until the Hamas broke it
User avatar #140 to #136 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
Sorry if i have confused you.
I think it is obvious that I have not said to give power to Hamas, as i have stated i disagree with them. And my previous statements on outside intervention clearly states that an outside force should bring about a ceasefire, as they are clearly unable to do so between themselves (Israel and Hamas).

Fortunately the UN has the authority to bring this about. They should also have the intention to bring and keep peace, and preserve human rights i.e. stop the massacre of civilians. However, they are largely incompetent at this in this context, seemingly because of a lack of US support to stop this conflict.

I understand that you claim this will lead to the ceasefire being broken again, but, as i have stated, this one would be under different terms. It would be policed by stronger forces, creating a larger incentive for both sides to keep the peace.

Any more questions?

p.s. your double post as both mrmask and anon was a giveaway, and quite funny, but no sweat, no grudges held ;)
#141 to #140 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
only one, how do they enforce the ceasefire?
if the Hamas breaks it again what will they do?
since trying to imprison them would be met with an attack from them
and attacking them would cause the same effect that happens when Israel tries to.

goddamn this inability to completely delete a comment, there are too many anti-Israelis on this site
User avatar #151 to #141 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
This is the problem.
The UNs effectiveness is debatable, but I will try ansd state, ideally, how i think it should be done.

Keeping the ceasefire could be done by simply proposing a vastly greater force, in order to almost 'scare' Hamas into not attacking, however this could not work, as Hamas attack Israel although Israel have a larger force, and I also think that scaring them into submission is wrong. (although has been effective throughout history).
Alternatively, I think that the bringing about of the ceasefire should bring benefits to both sides such that they would rather upkeep it, due to the benefits it brings them. By this i do not mean that we should appease (give them what they want) them, however. Maybe the prospect of bringing trade to each country or helping to establish better supply routes to each, or maybe through offering to help establish, over time, better infrastructure and education systems in both regions etc. Hopefully through proposing these benefits, each side would lay down their arms.
I especially think that the people (civilians) of each country would certainly agree with this, and as both countries are supposedly democratic, this opinion would result in an agreement.
However, I do think that Israel would probably benefit less from this, as they are more established and further developed, however, if they are willing to keep the peace, as i assume they are if they uphold their end of the ceasefire, then they will be happy to go along with it.

Understand that this is just an example of what could happen.

If Hamas were then to break it, hopefully it would have the effect, as we phrase, of "shooting yourself in the foot".
By this i mean that they would lose the aid they receive, but more importantly, they would lose support from their people, and that should lead to them being kicked out and hopefully replaced with another group that are more willing to cooperate.

Hope this answers your questions
#173 to #151 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
unfortunately, this is not how the Hamas operates, they do not fear death, they are all extremely religious and believe that dying while fighting against "infidels" will make them Shahids, which will bring them to heaven: Hamas spokesman: We are not afraid of Israel because we love death
you don't need to bring a powerful military force like the US, Israel could easily wipe out Gaza off of the face of the earth if they really wanted to.

also about the prosperity, the Hamas keeps building tunnels to smuggle weapons and to kidnap soldiers, an average tunnel is worth 350 truckloads of building supplies, which is approximately $3 million dollars, and so far, the IDF has found over 50 tunnels, and keeps finding more each day
in other words, Gaza could be the Singapore of the middle east, if not for the leadership of Hamas, meaning they would be quite prosperous
User avatar #180 to #173 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
I understand this, hence why i stated my proposition as 'ideal' - i understand in reality it is not so easy to achieve this. I can only hope that either hamas is ousted or they come to their senses, but i do feel that you are overlooking Israels faults in this conflict also.
#188 to #180 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
Israel has faults of course, but it doesn't wear them as badges of honor.
when it makes mistakes, the responsible are usually trialled.
there are also things that it does that from what I know I don't agree with, but I don't necessarily know all the details, so all that I am left to do is to trust the lesser evil

my problem though is that Israel is being accountable for things it was pushed to do, no country will be attacked and then not respond, so it tries to destroy the enemies weapons, but the way to those weapons is blocked by civilians that were either convinced to sacrifice themselves, or threatened to do so.
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#165 to #119 - foxranger (08/01/2014) [-]
Honestly, the U.N. is to blame for their piss poor formation of both countries in the first place. imho.
User avatar #166 to #165 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
I agree, but what is done is done, and we must focus on diffusing the current situation without replicating said mistakes
#170 to #166 - foxranger (08/01/2014) [-]
I agree with you, however, I do not believe it will ever happen. There is so much hate its unreal. Hamas and company don't want peace, they want the destruction of the Jewish state. There are 56 Muslim countries (as of a few years ago, last time I studied this) and one Jewish state. Doesn't bode well for Israel.

Due to this, Israel is so ******* paranoid they think peace is name of a rocket fired by Hamas. They have been for some time and they wont calm down until the rockets stop flying. Its a never ending cycle that wont end until one side massacres the other completely.
#194 to #170 - jujuface ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
That's literally what they're going for at the moment. They knocked out Gaza's main power plant for at least a year meaning 2 hours of electricity daily. This also affects the water supply. The civilians can't leave because all borders are closed basically it's an open air prison. The strategy is obviously either to break the people or just completely obliterate them, leaving an empty smoking city sized strip of land that honestly I don't think anyone would want to live in.
User avatar #176 to #170 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
You're probably right. It's sad, especially for those at the wrong end of the bombs. I just find it annoying when people have arguments online claiming which side is right rather than what should be done, or how to do it.
#177 to #176 - foxranger (08/01/2014) [-]
Yep, neither side is right. Its just a massive *********** with people caught in the crossfire. Such is war I suppose.
User avatar #9 - TwiztidNinja (08/01/2014) [-]
So when does the world stop letting the jews do whatever the **** they want?
To be honest i wish hitler was successful before they stopped him.
#108 to #9 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
So when will the world finally remove its nose from Israel's anus and let them do their **** .
to be honest i wish your mother would have dropped you on your head when you were a baby, you ignorant cunt.
#154 to #9 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
The bait is strong in this one...
User avatar #13 to #9 - Haruhi (08/01/2014) [-]
go to bed schnizel
User avatar #15 to #9 - brobafett (08/01/2014) [-]
Did you know there were reports of the holocaust in the new york times (a Hebrew owned newspaper) before any actual Nazi document recalled the event. the holocaust happened, but no where close to 6 million.
#23 to #15 - ohemgeezus (08/01/2014) [-]
Be sure to adjust your tinfoil hat before going to bed
#24 to #23 - brobafett (08/01/2014) [-]
6 million has been the new york time's buzz number for over 20 years before Hitler took power.
#30 to #24 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
...so?
#26 to #24 - ohemgeezus (08/01/2014) [-]
I'm not sure if you're serious with this stupid **** , but I'd laugh if you actually are.
#27 to #26 - brobafett (08/01/2014) [-]
Okay, enjoy supporting people who turned the middle east from female doctors and students to jihadists and public execution.
Okay, enjoy supporting people who turned the middle east from female doctors and students to jihadists and public execution.
#29 to #27 - ohemgeezus (08/01/2014) [-]
Sure thing
User avatar #53 to #26 - thatoneiranianguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
He's not lying, they're real news paper articles.

The 6 million number is a reoccurring falsified claim that has been trying to be stuck into reality way before WWI. It finally stuck after WWII.

You know it's one thing to criticise holocaust denial, but you should atleast have some history background before you criticise either side, dumbass.

Sincerely - The historical and anthropological community.
User avatar #217 to #160 - thatoneiranianguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Just cycle through old newspaper archives from the New York times. They're all there.

Plus several snippets from various other sources, I believe it was in a 10th edition encyclopedia Britannica (dated 1902-03) that had an entry for anti-semetism that mentioned the number 6 million. I know my local library has a huge collection of them, I'll have to go to check.

Otherwise the 6 million number was used quite a bit before the rise of National Socialist Germany.

I'm not even sure why I have to prove this to you...
User avatar #228 to #217 - lilnuggetbob (08/01/2014) [-]
Websights*
User avatar #226 to #217 - lilnuggetbob (08/01/2014) [-]
Don't think you know what cites mean, and i could not find anything online about those articals you were talking about.

When someone says "Cite your sources" it means post links to your statements.

Also: "I'm not even sure why I have to prove this to you..." is because you are making claims without post any true evidence.

I searched these werbsights:

www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/186618/Encyclopaedia-Britannica/301341/Tenth-edition

www.wikipedia.org/

www.nytimes.com/

User avatar #264 to #260 - lilnuggetbob (08/01/2014) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire

I don't quite understand what your getting at, your trying to deny the holocaust, but those links have nothing to do with that, just those Russian Progroms, that had little to no relation to the holocaust, besides the dead Jews.
User avatar #249 to #226 - thatoneiranianguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
You can't be that incapable that you searched the new york times and did not find the archives?

query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch/
User avatar #16 to #9 - LazierThanThou (08/01/2014) [-]
Probably when they stop having nukes.
#31 to #16 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
The nukes are only half the problem.
#83 to #31 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
No one is worried about israel nuking **** around them. On the other hand we are worried about **** stain sand ******* from doing whatever they want with those bombs.
User avatar #78 to #31 - commontroll (08/01/2014) [-]
Difference between Iran having one and Israel having several, is that Iran would actually use theirs because their government is actually crazy enough. And the problem is that Israel can be destroyed by one nuke, while plenty of other nations would take dozens if not far more.
#59 - vytros (08/01/2014) [-]
These comments are amazing. One side thinks that Israel bias is ridiculous, the other that Palestinians don't deserve support.

Meanwhile, both sides are utter **** , and there's practically no right in this war. Once again, it's the neutral people who try to lead an everyday life, that suffer the most.
User avatar #113 - bloorajah (08/01/2014) [-]
but in all seriousness...
**** Israel, when you agree to a cease fire. you stop ******* shooting.
User avatar #271 to #113 - bloorajah (08/02/2014) [-]
look at all the jews...
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User avatar #144 to #113 - drewbridge (08/01/2014) [-]
Hamas has refused to comply with/has broken literally every single ceasefire.
#129 to #113 - Rascal (08/01/2014) [-]
hamas breaks them you fuc;king retard
User avatar #120 to #113 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
you do realize that Israel didn't break a single ceasefire
on the other hand, Hamas broke all of them since day 1
User avatar #205 to #120 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Times of Israel: "Hamas operatives were behind a large volley of rockets which slammed into Israel Monday morning, the first time in years the Islamist group has directly challenged the Jewish state, according to Israeli defense officials.. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.. Hamas hasn't fired rockets into Israel since Operation Pillar of Defense ended in November 2012."
www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired-rockets-for-first-time-since-2012-israeli-officials-say/
User avatar #256 to #205 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
keep on reading:
"A member of Hamas’s militant wing was killed in the attack, Gaza health official Ashraf al-Kidra said."

the Hamas declared several times that they started shooting because they just want Israel destroyed, and that after a retaliation, they start hoarding weapons until they have enough to start shooting again, never said anything about revenge for a member getting killed
User avatar #259 to #256 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Doesn't matter, the fact remains that Israel broke the truce.
User avatar #265 to #259 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
I'm sorry to break it to you, but the ceasefire was broken by the Hamas an hour after it started:

Post-ceasefire incidents[edit]
See also: 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict § Violations of the truce
An explosion took place in Gaza in unclear circumstances after the ceasefire; no casualties were reported.[179] A Palestinian man was killed and three others wounded by stray gunfire as gunmen in Gaza fired in the air to celebrate the ceasefire deal.[180] In the hour after the ceasefire was declared, twelve rockets were launched from Gaza into Israel. All of them landed in open areas.[179][181] Air raid sirens sounded in Eshkol, Sderot, Hof Ashkelon, Ashdod, Kiryat Malachi and Sha'ar Hanegev. One rocket over Ashdod was intercepted by the Iron Dome.[182]

taken from wikipedia
User avatar #266 to #265 - thekame ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
yes, I don't deny that. Hamas doesn't want a ceasefire, it wants permanent peace and it has certain demands which aren't unreasonable at all. I was reacting to "you do realize that Israel didn't break a single ceasefire " While in reality Israel broke the most important ceasefire and started the war.
User avatar #267 to #266 - mrmask (08/01/2014) [-]
ummm, I'm not sure if you are joking in you'r first part, but if you aren't, you should probably watch some of the videos the Hamas posts itself,

about the other part, I took it from the "Operation Pillar of Defense" page of Wikipedia. that was the operation before the current one, you know, in 2012. and this is the ceasefire that ended the operation
#195 to #120 - jujuface ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Yes, the ceasefire that the US and Israel agreed to. It's pretty laughable because honestly I don't think Hamas was even aware there was a ceasefire, not that they would have cared anyway. Trying to sign a ceasefire with Hamas is like trying to explain a trespassing charge to a horse. And then because of that idiotic ceasefire "breaking" Isreal starts bombing civilians indiscriminately yelling about how Hamas is making them do it.
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